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The error of relativistic physicists explained

Started byRichard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>
First post2022-09-18 22:39 +0000
Last post2022-12-07 23:06 +0000
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  The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-18 22:39 +0000
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 17:14 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 17:37 -0700
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 17:55 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 23:17 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 19:32 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 20:12 -0700
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 09:35 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 09:44 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 09:53 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-20 13:59 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 08:23 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-09-19 12:10 +0300
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 11:29 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-19 19:42 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-09-20 13:18 +0300
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-20 15:15 -0400
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 19:34 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 19:47 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 19:54 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-20 21:45 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 21:56 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 15:47 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-20 19:51 -0400
          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-21 10:59 +0000
            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-21 06:32 -0700
              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-21 23:20 +0000
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-21 16:53 -0700
            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-21 19:29 -0400
              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-09-21 23:14 -0700
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-22 14:26 +0000
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-22 15:27 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 22:42 -0700
          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 22:51 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-23 07:03 +0200
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-23 11:50 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 07:22 -0700
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 12:55 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-24 08:21 +0200
          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 23:59 -0700
            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-24 09:24 +0200
              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-24 11:24 -0700
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-25 08:44 +0200
                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Paul B. Andersen" <pba@paulba.no> - 2022-09-25 14:56 +0200
                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-26 20:32 +0000
                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-01 07:40 +0100
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-01 00:23 -0700
                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-05 08:22 +0100
                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-05 11:08 -0700
                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-06 08:41 +0100
                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-06 10:35 -0800
                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 14:06 -0500
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-08 07:19 +0100
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 00:09 -0800
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-08 10:27 -0500
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 08:54 -0800
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 09:10 -0500
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-16 08:15 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-16 09:14 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-16 12:59 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-16 10:37 -0800
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jules Scotti <ujsl@ocjssuis.os> - 2022-11-16 18:40 +0000
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-18 08:33 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-20 20:56 -0500
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-23 08:55 +0100
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-08 18:52 +0000
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 09:24 -0500
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-09 16:17 +0000
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 12:34 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-09 19:30 +0000
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-09 12:37 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-10 06:21 +0000
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-09 23:19 -0800
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-10 07:59 +0000
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai> - 2022-12-07 23:10 +0000
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 15:28 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-10 06:47 +0000
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-10 08:34 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 01:32 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stefano Martelli <ftor@asanlnit.ir> - 2022-11-12 09:06 +0000
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-12 11:27 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-13 09:58 +0100
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 11:17 -0500
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-14 08:11 +0100
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 11:31 -0500
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-15 09:20 +0100
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-16 08:06 +0100
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-16 09:12 +0100
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-16 12:56 -0500
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-17 09:03 +0100
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-17 10:22 +0100
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-18 08:03 +0100
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-20 21:01 -0500
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Blake Armanni <blea@arrkare.in> - 2022-11-21 10:41 +0000
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-21 13:37 -0500
                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Blake Armanni <blea@arrkare.in> - 2022-11-21 20:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-23 13:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Forest Vaccaro <asoa@ctrsreca.vr> - 2022-11-23 19:10 +0000
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-23 09:14 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-11-17 13:10 +0100
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-17 15:07 +0100
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-18 08:10 +0100
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-09 07:57 +0100
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 23:15 -0800
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 12:03 -0500
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-10 08:21 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 01:55 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-20 09:19 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-20 21:18 -0500
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 22:12 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-21 08:52 +0100
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-22 08:37 +0100
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-23 18:31 -0500
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-23 22:32 -0800
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-24 08:49 +0100
                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-25 13:08 -0700
                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-26 08:46 +0200
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-26 09:25 -0700
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-26 15:42 -0700
                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-27 08:33 +0200
                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-27 13:01 -0700
                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-27 23:17 +0000
                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-28 08:15 +0200
                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 00:04 -0700
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 16:10 +0000
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 11:55 -0700
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 19:23 +0000
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 12:46 -0700
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 21:28 +0000
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 21:34 +0000
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-09-28 16:17 -0500
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai> - 2022-12-07 23:25 +0000
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 15:29 -0800
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 11:53 -0700
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-29 08:48 +0200
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-29 10:54 -0700
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-30 09:12 +0200
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-01 16:05 -0700
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-02 09:58 +0200
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-02 03:34 -0700
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-03 08:55 +0200
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-03 01:02 -0700
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 08:21 +0200
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 00:57 -0700
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 20:04 +0200
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 12:00 -0700
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-07 07:21 +0200
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 14:14 -0700
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:37 +0000
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-08 08:19 +0200
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-08 03:37 -0400
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 14:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 22:21 +0000
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 08:37 +0200
                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 01:56 -0700
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-11 08:03 +0200
                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 01:06 -0700
                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 01:25 -0700
                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-12 08:17 +0200
                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 23:32 -0700
                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 11:27 -0700
                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-13 09:33 +0200
                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:58 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-13 21:03 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-14 08:49 +0200
                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 01:11 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-15 09:24 +0200
                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 03:05 -0700
                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-16 09:30 +0200
                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 13:02 -0700
                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 13:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-17 08:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 02:48 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-18 08:56 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 14:51 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-20 21:14 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 13:27 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-21 09:03 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 02:05 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-22 10:36 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 08:42 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 12:04 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 19:47 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 19:54 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 23:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:13 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 02:45 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:49 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-24 23:53 -0700
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                                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 20:51 -0700
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                                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-31 09:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-10-31 11:26 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 17:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-01 07:59 +0100
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                                                                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 09:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-11-02 11:39 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-11-04 12:12 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-04 10:49 -0700
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                                                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-05 11:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-06 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-06 10:47 -0800
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                                                                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 00:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-08 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-26 08:48 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-22 22:31 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 22:57 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:24 +0200
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                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 02:48 -0700
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                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 08:05 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-25 19:48 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-27 08:51 +0200
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                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 04:01 +0000
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-10-08 14:02 +0200
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                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 12:02 +0000
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                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-07 02:05 -0400
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:57 +0000
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                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-08 03:43 -0400
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-09 08:36 +0200
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 12:14 +0000
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 08:23 +0200
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 15:40 +0000
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-11 08:08 +0200
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Paul B. Andersen" <pba@paulba.no> - 2022-10-02 14:37 +0200
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-02 14:27 -0700
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-02 14:38 -0700
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-03 09:21 +0200
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-03 01:08 -0700
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-03 11:59 -0400
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Douglass Nervetti <dlul@esivlen.an> - 2022-10-03 18:31 +0000
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai> - 2022-12-07 23:03 +0000
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 15:24 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 08:29 +0200
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 00:58 -0700
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 20:11 +0200
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 11:31 -0700
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 11:33 -0700
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-30 09:19 +0100
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Lee Barsetti <erre@battaete.tr> - 2022-11-30 16:12 +0000
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-30 20:15 -0800
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-01 10:46 +0100
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-01 12:40 -0800
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-01 13:15 -0800
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-02 08:22 +0100
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-02 03:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-05 03:03 -0800
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Dallas Basurto <aarr@maramr.sa> - 2022-12-05 18:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-06 09:08 +0100
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                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-07 09:12 +0100
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                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-11 07:48 +0100
                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-14 08:29 +0100
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                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-27 12:34 -0700
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#597556

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-12-15 05:57 -0600
Message-ID<k00gcvF9drpU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#597553
On 12/15/2022 3:17 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 12/15/2022 1:15 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 14.12.2022 um 13:06 schrieb whodat:
>>> On 12/14/2022 1:29 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>> Am 11.12.2022 um 07:48 schrieb Thomas Heger:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Germany has no real demand for a stealth bomber, anyhow, because
>>>>>>> Germany does not plan to bomb anything in the near future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you're doing strategic planning for the German government?
>>>>>>
>>>>> No, unfortunately not.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I personally had to buy fighter planes for Germany, I would 
>>>>>>> not buy
>>>>>>> a stealth bomber at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally one glimmer of truth, you don't have responsibility. You 
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> right to question those who are responsible but no "right" to 
>>>>>> complain
>>>>>> to or about the USA's provision of equipment. You probably don't 
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> of it this way but what you are doing here in sci newsgroups is
>>>>>> trolling. You're angry and you're trying to incite anger in others
>>>>>> here.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think usually in terms of price-worthyness of baught items and 
>>>>> think,
>>>>> the F35 is way too expenesive, not very reliable and not what Germany
>>>>> needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I could spent the same money on US war planes, I would buy 
>>>>> different
>>>>> ones like these huge cargo planes and the 'Warthog'.
>>>>>
>>>> Now I see these crappy planes on German tv in the news and that the
>>>> current defense minister wants to spent most of the budget for them.
>>>>
>>>> That makes me sick and I really dislike the idea to buy these planes.
>>>>
>>>> I also dislike the idea of deficit spendings for questionabe arms
>>>> deals, because that would multiply the dangers of the already
>>>> questionable purchase.
>>>>
>>>> Especially in times of 'inflation' the government should try to cut
>>>> unnecessary spendings and useless arms are a good means to start with
>>>> that.
>>>
>>> No purchases, no kickbacks. Get a clue already.
>>>
>>
>> Well, we had Franz Joseph Strauss already as defense minister. He was 
>> the guy from Bavaria, who puchased the starfighter F 104 from Lockeed 
>> and got some 'kick-backs' (as far as that is known).
> 
> EuroFighter 2000 will down that sucker! ;^)



f-104, 1958. Eurofighter, 2003. A never ending sequence of greater
advantage. Nothing to get excited about.




>> I'm not involved in military purchases at all, hence cannot tell too 
>> much about the details.
>>
>> But it was a HUGE !!! scandal and absolutely nobody wants anything 
>> similar anytime soon.
>>
>>
>> TH
>>
>>
> 

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#597678

From"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com>
Date2022-12-16 12:45 -0800
Message-ID<tnilcs$3eme4$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#597556
On 12/15/2022 3:57 AM, whodat wrote:
> On 12/15/2022 3:17 AM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>> On 12/15/2022 1:15 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 14.12.2022 um 13:06 schrieb whodat:
>>>> On 12/14/2022 1:29 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am 11.12.2022 um 07:48 schrieb Thomas Heger:
[...]
>>> Well, we had Franz Joseph Strauss already as defense minister. He was 
>>> the guy from Bavaria, who puchased the starfighter F 104 from Lockeed 
>>> and got some 'kick-backs' (as far as that is known).
>>
>> EuroFighter 2000 will down that sucker! ;^)
> 
> 
> 
> f-104, 1958. Eurofighter, 2003. A never ending sequence of greater
> advantage. Nothing to get excited about.
[...]

Touche.

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#597555

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-12-15 05:52 -0600
Message-ID<k00g4iF9drpU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#597552
On 12/15/2022 3:15 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 14.12.2022 um 13:06 schrieb whodat:
>> On 12/14/2022 1:29 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 11.12.2022 um 07:48 schrieb Thomas Heger:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Germany has no real demand for a stealth bomber, anyhow, because
>>>>>> Germany does not plan to bomb anything in the near future.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you're doing strategic planning for the German government?
>>>>>
>>>> No, unfortunately not.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I personally had to buy fighter planes for Germany, I would not 
>>>>>> buy
>>>>>> a stealth bomber at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally one glimmer of truth, you don't have responsibility. You 
>>>>> have a
>>>>> right to question those who are responsible but no "right" to complain
>>>>> to or about the USA's provision of equipment. You probably don't think
>>>>> of it this way but what you are doing here in sci newsgroups is
>>>>> trolling. You're angry and you're trying to incite anger in others
>>>>> here.
>>>>
>>>> I think usually in terms of price-worthyness of baught items and think,
>>>> the F35 is way too expenesive, not very reliable and not what Germany
>>>> needs.
>>>>
>>>> If I could spent the same money on US war planes, I would buy different
>>>> ones like these huge cargo planes and the 'Warthog'.
>>>>
>>> Now I see these crappy planes on German tv in the news and that the
>>> current defense minister wants to spent most of the budget for them.
>>>
>>> That makes me sick and I really dislike the idea to buy these planes.
>>>
>>> I also dislike the idea of deficit spendings for questionabe arms
>>> deals, because that would multiply the dangers of the already
>>> questionable purchase.
>>>
>>> Especially in times of 'inflation' the government should try to cut
>>> unnecessary spendings and useless arms are a good means to start with
>>> that.
>>
>> No purchases, no kickbacks. Get a clue already.
>>
> 
> Well, we had Franz Joseph Strauss already as defense minister. He was 
> the guy from Bavaria, who puchased the starfighter F 104 from Lockeed 
> and got some 'kick-backs' (as far as that is known).
> 
> I'm not involved in military purchases at all, hence cannot tell too 
> much about the details.
> 
> But it was a HUGE !!! scandal and absolutely nobody wants anything 
> similar anytime soon.

Historically, when one is caught those who follow get much better at
not being caught. Corruption never actually stops. Google is not
very good about defining "corporate culture," possibly because
that is mostly self-explanatory.

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#597636

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2022-12-16 08:43 +0100
Message-ID<k02lsiFjogvU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#597555
Am 15.12.2022 um 12:52 schrieb whodat:

>>> No purchases, no kickbacks. Get a clue already.
>>>
>>
>> Well, we had Franz Joseph Strauss already as defense minister. He was
>> the guy from Bavaria, who puchased the starfighter F 104 from Lockeed
>> and got some 'kick-backs' (as far as that is known).
>>
>> I'm not involved in military purchases at all, hence cannot tell too
>> much about the details.
>>
>> But it was a HUGE !!! scandal and absolutely nobody wants anything
>> similar anytime soon.
>
> Historically, when one is caught those who follow get much better at
> not being caught. Corruption never actually stops. Google is not
> very good about defining "corporate culture," possibly because
> that is mostly self-explanatory.
>

Politicians can also be very stupid, but most of them are not.

But some politicians simply deny facts and really believe, that not 
being caught is actually the same as telling the truth.

And some politicians are so stupid, that it hurts (the audience).

Anyhow: arms deals with 'kick-backs' is something, which politicians 
should beware of being caught with.

TH

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#596954

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2022-12-07 11:23 -0800
Message-ID<kp576j-grls1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#596931
In sci.physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> Am 06.12.2022 um 20:01 schrieb whodat:
>> On 12/6/2022 2:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 05.12.2022 um 19:34 schrieb Dallas Basurto:
>>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am 02.12.2022 um 12:17 schrieb JanPB:
>>>>>>>>> Infinity is not a location, hence nothing can be placed there.
>>>>>
>>>>> A place far away is not infinitity!
>>>>> A place far away is a real place, but in some distance.
>>>>> We only know from the context, that Einstein wanted the source so far
>>>>> away, that plane wave approximations are possible in vicinitity of the
>>>>> center of the coordinate system.
>>>>
>>>> let him pack his shit and move to america. These uneducated, unskilled
>>>> dicks, wants make us believe they landed man on moon 1969.
>>>>
>>>> Endless Fail: World's Biggest Joke F-35 Has Another Disaster
>>>> https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/bNJIRyMgKtpp
>>>>
>>>
>>> German military is apparently forced to buy these planes to replace
>>> 'Tornados'.
>>>
>>> I woukd say, that
>>>
>>> https://www.thomasnet.com/insights/what-went-wrong-with-the-f-35-fighter-jet/
>>>
>>>
>>> "The most expensive fighter jet in history is also one of the least
>>> reliable.
>>>
>>> Earlier this year, the U.S. Air Force tacitly admitted that the F-35
>>> fighter jet was a failure. A very expensive, time-consuming failure.
>>>
>>> The F-35 was supposed to be a low-cost, lightweight fighter jet. But
>>> with a cost of around $100 million per jet and project delays now
>>> stretching into double digits, the F-35 is one of the most
>>> high-profile failures in the history of military procurement. What
>>> happened, and what does the future hold for the F-35 fighter jet?"
>>>
>>> isn't really a recommendendation.
>>
>> The Lockheed Electra is a very good counterexample.
>>
> A better example was the 'Starfighter'.
> 
> I knew actually two ladies personally, who had a father, who died in a 
> 'Starfighter'.
> 
> So, from time to time, the US military is able to dump their 
> 'Starfighters' in Germany.

The F-104 left German operational service in 1987.

> I don't know the exact mechanism, of course, but would say, that it is 
> not entirely beneficial (for Germany).
> 
> 
> 
> TH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter

Is a rather long article with details of the development and operational
problems of the F-104 along with some discussion of the scandal in the
German purchase and the safety record for the aircraft.

While the German military has an abysmal safety record of losing about
32% of it's F-104s, the Spanish Air Force has a perfect safety record
and lost none of it's F-104s.

The F-104 was NOT an easy aircraft to fly. The USAF required pilots to
have at least 1,500 hours to fly them while the German pilots typically
had around 400 hours.

See in particular:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_F-104_Starfighter#Safety_record

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#596654

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2022-12-02 01:25 -0500
Message-ID<tmc5pg$31eel$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#596599
On 12/1/2022 4:46 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 01.12.2022 um 05:15 schrieb JanPB:
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:19:41 AM UTC-8, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 06.10.2022 um 20:31 schrieb JanPB:
>>>> On Thursday, October 6, 2022 at 11:11:49 AM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am 06.10.2022 um 09:58 schrieb JanPB:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 5, 2022 at 11:29:46 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If Einstein wanted to describe the baviour of a wave and the 
>>>>>>> impact on
>>>>>>> the points on the way, he needed to describe the wave with a 
>>>>>>> coordinate
>>>>>>> system related to the wave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But he didn't, as you have correctly mentioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Again, this is high school physics.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Here I do agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> I meant:
>>>>>
>>>>> you can used absolutely correct equations wrong, if you plug in the
>>>>> wrong numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For instance you could use the size of your shoes as variable in an
>>>>> equation for the field strength and it wouldn't work, because that 
>>>>> would
>>>>> be an unrelated quantity.
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to restrict yourself to relevant numbers, which describe
>>>>> quantities, that could eventually have an impact on the phenomenon,
>>>>> these equations shall describe.
>>>>>
>>>>> You insist on the coordinates and the direction of the wave in respect
>>>>> to the observer as valid and important quantities, while I insist 
>>>>> on the
>>>>> relation of the point in respect to the emitter.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you failed to explain, why these coordinates could have an 
>>>>> impact on
>>>>> the wave or the point.
>>>>
>>>> It's simply a formula that describes the E and B values at any given
>>>> point (x, y, z) and time t (as described by K in this case).
>>>
>>>
>>> (x,y,z) is not a point, but the coordinates of a point in a coordinate
>>> system called K.
>>>
>>> It is absolutely essential to distinguish between points and
>>> coordinates, because both belong to different realms.
>>>
>>> A coordinate system is an arbitrary artefact, which nature itself
>>> doesn't know about.
>>>
>>> If we want to model the behaviour of a wave at that point, we should
>>> start with an appropriate coordinate system.
>>>
>>> System K is actually not involved, hence can be left away.
>>
>> The system K is involved. The plane wave in question is
>> written in terms of K (and a bit later also in terms of the moving
>> system).
> 
> A point is hit by a wave from some distant source.
> 
> But this setting has only two relevant points: the emitter and the target.

No, the only relevant things are the point and the plane wave.
> 
> Where you place the observer is therefore irrelevant for the problem.

It is relevant because there are two frames involved.
> 
>>> A better system would be spherical coordinates, which have the emitter
>>> in the center.
>>
>> The emitter is at infinity.
> 
> Infinity is not a location, hence nothing can be placed there.

Correct. The emitter is irrelevant. "Let there be a plane wave..."
> 
>>> But Einstein used the coordinates in system K, even if there was no
>>> physical reason for that coordinate system in the first place.
>>
>> You are completely loony tunes. The wave is expressed in terms
>> of coordinates.
> 
> Once again:
> 
> we have a source of a wave and a target.

The source is irrelevant. We have a wave and a target. "Let there be a 
plane wave..."
> 
> The target has a certain geometric relation to the source, which could 
> eventually have an impact upon the state of the point, if hit by a wave.

Which are described by the values (l,m,n).
> 
> But the coordinate system K is not involved and could be placed 
> everywehre without any effect upon the point or how that would react 
> upon the wave.

There is a comparison between a "stationary" frame (K) and a moving 
frame (k). Both are necessary for this.
> 
>>> And: It is actually highly unlikely, that nature uses anywhere Cartesian
>>> coordinates.
>>
>> Non sequitur.
> 
> 
> Well. Cartesian coordinates are based on right angles. But nature does 
> not use right angles that often, if at all.

Frames are unknown to nature. They are a human convention created to 
understand the problem better.
> 
> Better systems are spherical coordinates, possibly using complex numbers 
> or quaternions.

Cartesian coordinates are easier to work with in this case. Again frames 
are concocted to simplify problems.
> 
>>> So this scheme is unphysical to beginn with.
>>
>> Don't be silly. This is a setup that had been used since before Maxwell.
> 
> I do agree. But many things were believed before the times of Maxwell, 
> which are not believed today.

Non sequitur.

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#592447

FromNikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib>
Date2022-09-28 21:46 +0000
Message-ID<th2fbk$eseg$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#592393
Thomas Heger wrote:

>> There are no errors, "other" or otherwise. You won't get anywhere if
>> you keep replacing facts with fiction.
> 
> You simply deny any error, whether that makes sense or not.

The operators of the Large Hadron Collider – the European nuclear research 
center (CERN) – also admitted in September that the ongoing energy crisis 
threatens the operation of the world’s largest particle accelerator. It 
could be shut down to decrease the energy consumption burden at peak 
demand periods, CERN said at that time.

Brussels ‘imposes’ anti-Russia sanctions on EU members – Orban
https://%72%74.com/news/563682-orban-brussels-russia-sanctions-eu/

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#592350

FromNikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib>
Date2022-09-27 16:39 +0000
Message-ID<tgv90b$3m0n$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#592264
JanPB wrote:

> On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:44:32 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger
>> The wave sets point (x, y, z) into a wavy state.
>> Time t was not defined,
> 
> It was defined, you've just mentioned the system  K  yourself (as does
> Einstein a few lines earlier).

completely nonsense, it looks like kapitalist america, or capitalist 
friend of america, are bombing infrastructure transporting gas and oil, 
which is not theirs. Gas for europe in the cold winter, gas for the people 
of europe. Right now Gearmonia should fume of furry, but they don't. It 
looks like a crime committed by Polakia and his friend nazy "uKronazia". 
You disgusting sons of bitches. What arming "uKronazia" and that gypsy 
beggar, a khazar goy on cocaine zelenske, said "president", knowingly he 
has NO party and NO politics. Arming the nazis, you fucking idiot.

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#592374

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2022-09-27 12:34 -0700
Message-ID<56cc193e-f155-4427-a980-cf7b0d87c6ben@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#592350
On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:39:43 AM UTC-7, Nikki Baldini wrote:
> JanPB wrote: 
> 
> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:44:32 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger
> >> The wave sets point (x, y, z) into a wavy state. 
> >> Time t was not defined, 
> > 
> > It was defined, you've just mentioned the system K yourself (as does 
> > Einstein a few lines earlier).
> completely nonsense, it looks like kapitalist america, or capitalist 
> friend of america, are bombing infrastructure transporting gas and oil, 
> which is not theirs. Gas for europe in the cold winter, gas for the people 
> of europe. Right now Gearmonia should fume of furry, but they don't. It 
> looks like a crime committed by Polakia and his friend nazy "uKronazia". 
> You disgusting sons of bitches. What arming "uKronazia" and that gypsy 
> beggar, a khazar goy on cocaine zelenske, said "president", knowingly he 
> has NO party and NO politics. Arming the nazis, you fucking idiot.

It costs 5 francs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7vZabWpTjI 

--
Jan

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#596966

FromUrbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai>
Date2022-12-07 23:06 +0000
Message-ID<tmr692$lufd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#592350
Jan wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 9:39:50 AM UTC-7, Nikki Baldini wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 11:44:32 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger
>> >> The wave sets point (x, y, z) into a wavy state.
>> >> Time t was not defined,
>> > 
>> > It was defined, you've just mentioned the system K yourself (as does
>> > Einstein a few lines earlier).
>> 
>> completely nonsense,
> 
> See a doctor.

you are so stupid, you can fucking be arrested. Recall your doctor, ask 
for help.

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