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| Started by | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| First post | 2022-12-08 14:46 -0500 |
| Last post | 2022-12-22 09:17 +0100 |
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Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-08 14:46 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-08 12:08 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-08 14:14 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-08 12:16 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-08 21:26 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-08 14:11 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-08 14:43 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-09 02:56 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 09:07 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 12:19 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> - 2022-12-09 21:02 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 20:28 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 21:19 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 16:18 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> - 2022-12-10 14:42 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 17:59 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 22:57 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 16:16 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Smokey Abbiati <asbk@atmakb.ai> - 2022-12-11 18:21 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-12-11 10:40 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-11 13:44 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Smokey Abbiati <asbk@atmakb.ai> - 2022-12-11 21:37 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-11 16:07 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-12 00:13 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Darron Riva <orvd@raria.ar> - 2022-12-12 16:28 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-12 13:41 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 23:33 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Stephan Russo <ptrp@susnon.sr> - 2022-12-08 20:58 +0000
Note to Volney (was Re: Updated crackpot index?) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-08 18:15 -0600
Re: Note to Volney (was Re: Updated crackpot index?) Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> - 2022-12-09 14:35 +0000
Re: Note to Volney (was Re: Updated crackpot index?) whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-09 10:59 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Stephan Russo <ptrp@susnon.sr> - 2022-12-08 21:00 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-09 13:36 -0800
Crank Pat Dolan demands an extra 150 points. And gets them. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 13:39 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan demands an extra 150 points. And gets them. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-09 17:47 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan demands an extra 150 points. And gets them. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 17:52 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan demands an extra 150 points. And gets them. Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 19:17 -0800
Re: Crank Pat Dolan demands an extra 150 points. And gets them. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 19:26 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-10 18:24 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-10 17:07 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-10 18:41 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-11 22:33 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-12 04:15 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Darron Riva <orvd@raria.ar> - 2022-12-12 18:43 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-10 13:09 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-10 09:34 -0800
Crank Pat Dolan comes to grips with the facts "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-10 09:46 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> - 2022-12-10 23:22 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-18 14:53 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-18 12:37 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Vitaliy Bazzoli <zvt@viavzl.oi> - 2022-12-18 20:41 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-18 13:10 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-20 00:35 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-12-19 21:43 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-24 16:05 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-24 13:37 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-12-24 14:13 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-22 09:29 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-23 02:00 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 23:21 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-24 01:32 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 23:15 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-24 09:57 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-24 15:32 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-24 13:33 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-29 09:34 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-29 00:48 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-30 12:03 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-30 03:58 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-01 10:10 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-01 03:47 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-02 08:35 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 01:00 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-03 07:59 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-06 08:18 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 23:36 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-09 08:57 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-09 00:08 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Luigi Tumicelli <llei@cumiicli.lu> - 2023-01-09 09:04 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-25 11:17 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-12-25 14:40 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-26 10:23 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-26 14:10 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-26 12:37 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-27 09:36 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thurman De palma <eaan@phapremr.an> - 2022-12-27 13:57 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-27 23:00 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-28 08:38 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-29 15:25 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Emmet Robustelli <uttl@etlmms.re> - 2022-12-29 21:28 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-30 12:41 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-02 11:45 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 08:49 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 09:08 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 09:15 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-03 02:14 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 23:52 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-03 08:27 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Ufonaut <ufonaut9@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 06:12 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Ufonaut <ufonaut9@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 06:23 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 08:27 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-29 09:19 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Ufonaut <ufonaut9@gmail.com> - 2022-12-29 04:51 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-30 12:52 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Hannu Poropudas <haporopuda@gmail.com> - 2022-12-20 23:32 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-21 09:24 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 10:10 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 10:25 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 10:40 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 12:51 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Celso Ardizzone <eodo@ceiozi.ci> - 2022-12-21 19:12 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 15:07 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 20:18 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-12-21 12:41 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 21:14 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-21 16:15 -0500
Re: Updated crackpot index? Michelle Africano <nccr@amenica.he> - 2022-12-21 21:17 +0000
Re: Updated crackpot index? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-21 16:14 -0600
Re: Updated crackpot index? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-21 13:10 -0800
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-19 09:38 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-21 20:43 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-21 21:52 +0100
Re: Updated crackpot index? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-22 09:17 +0100
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-12-08 14:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Updated crackpot index? |
| Message-ID | <tmtets$u6qm$1@dont-email.me> |
Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. Is this worth doing? Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each? Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined: People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are "worshiping" him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!" "Physics is a religion/cult!" References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes, the crank believes his version is or will be accepted) Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when they didn't. Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery." Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel. "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless." I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become relativity/Einstein specific or creationism specific. Also certain behavior unique to only one crank probably shouldn't be included. I set followups to sci.physics.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-08 12:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c5449238-748d-4e16-bb7c-8f65ac8f8771n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597019 |
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:46:06 AM UTC-8, Volney wrote: > Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index > (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a > quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks > have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. > For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example > "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. > > Is this worth doing? > Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? > Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? > Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? > Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? > > In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. > > > Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each? > > Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined: > > People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are "worshiping" > him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. > > Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my > manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!" > > "Physics is a religion/cult!" > > References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and > "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes, > the crank believes his version is or will be accepted) > > Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when they > didn't. > Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery." > Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it > is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel. > "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless." > > > I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become relativity/Einstein > specific or creationism specific. Also certain behavior unique to only > one crank probably shouldn't be included. > > I set followups to sci.physics. Well, crankery is clearly a form of insanity. There is no real way of "grading" crankery, crankery is like pornography, one recognizes it when one sees it. So, any way you want to add to the crank index is fine. One special mention for the likes of Dick Hertz, he deserves extra points for the many ways he tries to pervert the underlying mathematics. This is what makes him the most entertaining crank of the forum, by far. So, I would add points for the "keep it up, dumbestfuck!" Dick Hertz. The other interesting crank is Eric Bard, who takes it to thhe next level : he writes (unpublished and unpublishable) "papers", This makes him even more interesting than Dick, so he deserves extra points as well.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-08 14:14 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <jveutvFik1bU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597019 |
On 12/8/2022 2:13 PM, whodat wrote: > On 12/8/2022 1:46 PM, Volney wrote: >> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index >> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a >> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks >> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not >> listed. For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for >> example "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult >> scientists. >> >> Is this worth doing? > > Probably. > >> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? > > Yes, expand unless you can come up with a set of more generic sorts of > claims that cover all the territory. While it is clear that Baez was > brilliant I think his list was a product of frustration and suffered for > it. One should not think the Baez work was not enjoyable in context. On > the other hand one should realize that most (if not all) the cranks in > these newsgroups suffer from significant mental illness. So the end > product should be about the claims, not the individuals. > >> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? >> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? >> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? > > Following Baez in this effort I think you should make it your own work, > whatever that turns out to be, while retaining the enjoyment aspects > of the original as much as possible. > > >> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. >> >> >> Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each? >> >> Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined: >> >> People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are >> "worshiping" him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. > > You might point out that some canned replies aren't worth honorable > mention. > > >> Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my >> manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!" >> >> "Physics is a religion/cult!" >> >> References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) >> and "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre >> changes, the crank believes his version is or will be accepted) >> >> Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when >> they didn't. >> Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery." >> Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it >> is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel. >> "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's >> worthless." >> >> >> I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become >> relativity/Einstein specific or creationism specific. Also certain >> behavior unique to only one crank probably shouldn't be included. > > > > I think it pays to be discipline (but not subdiscipline) specific. > > >> I set followups to sci.physics. > > I reset followups to both physics and relativity as I think both groups > benefit from this effort. Thanks. > > Please be sure to work in some sort of generic while clearly > narcissistic claims. You could probably cover a lot of ground > that way without enlarging the text. After all, we don't want > a Britannica sized work for this task. >
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-08 12:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b3546981-a0d7-4679-ae70-618101c8de4dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597019 |
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:46:06 AM UTC-8, Volney wrote: > Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index > (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a > quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks > have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. > For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example > "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. > > Is this worth doing? > Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? > Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? > Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? > Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? > > In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. > > > Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each? > > Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined: > > People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are "worshiping" > him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. > > Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my > manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!" > > "Physics is a religion/cult!" > > References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and > "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes, > the crank believes his version is or will be accepted) > > Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when they > didn't. > Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery." > Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it > is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel. > "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless." > > > I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become relativity/Einstein > specific or creationism specific. Also certain behavior unique to only > one crank probably shouldn't be included. > > I set followups to sci.physics. ...also, extra points for "idee fixe" : 1. zionist conspiracy 2. kzar domination 3. Einstein cult 4. relativism (sic!) 5. jewish science You get the idea...
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-12-08 21:26 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <jvevjkFivihU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597024 |
On 2022-12-08 20:16:28 +0000, Dono. said: > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:46:06 AM UTC-8, Volney wrote: >> Many people score crank posts according to John Baez's Crackpot Index >> (https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html). But it's almost a >> quarter century old. I've been thinking of updating it, since cranks >> have come up with many novel techniques since 1998 that are not listed. >> For example, using crackpot-only words and phrases, for example >> "Einsteinian" and "relativist", usually intended to insult scientists. >> >> Is this worth doing? >> Should I take the existing crackpot index and simply add to it? >> Should any of its original entries be changed, even if only the points? >> Should I redo this in a completely different format? If so, suggestions? >> Should point scores apply to individual posts or the poster overall? >> >> In any case, full credit will be given to Baez for the original. >> >> >> Do you have suggestions for added entries, plus point scores for each? >> >> Example additions, exact phrasing and points not yet determined: >> >> People who agree with an argument promoted by an expert are "worshiping" >> him, are brainwashed, indoctrinated, or are parrots. >> >> Silence is consent: "I notice that there are no comments on my >> manifesto. That means that you all agree with it!" >> >> "Physics is a religion/cult!" >> >> References to things like "Old Biology" (textbook standard biology) and >> "New Biology" (the crank's version of biology including bizarre changes, >> the crank believes his version is or will be accepted) >> >> Expand Baez's Item #21: "I won a Nobel Prize for my discovery" when they >> didn't. >> Less delusional: "I should have won a Nobel Prize for my discovery." >> Sour grapes: "The Nobel Prize is worthless"/"the committee awarding it >> is corrupt", etc. because they didn't win a Nobel. >> "I was offered the Nobel Prize but I turned it down because it's worthless." >> >> >> I want to keep this generic, otherwise it may become relativity/Einstein >> specific or creationism specific. Also certain behavior unique to only >> one crank probably shouldn't be included. >> >> I set followups to sci.physics. > > > ...also, extra points for "idee fixe" : > > 1. zionist conspiracy > 2. kzar domination > 3. Einstein cult > 4. relativism (sic!) > 5. jewish science > > You get the idea... How about repeating the same sentence over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, à la Wozniak? -- Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-08 14:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <41dce7ee-6f86-4bfc-b91e-139c5668a41en@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597024 |
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:16:30 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: <snip> > ...also, extra points for "idee fixe" : > > 1. zionist conspiracy > 2. kzar domination > 3. Einstein cult > 4. relativism (sic!) > 5. jewish science > > You get the idea... NO, IMBECILE. IT'S MUCH EASIER: 1) Corporation's science (you are not allowed to know or participate or communicate in any way, if you are IN). 2) The rest, in academy, publishing houses, MSM, Hollywood (THIS IS THE ONLY THAT YOU KNOW, Dono. You ARE OUT OF 1).
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-08 14:43 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <c0045acd-29de-4f8d-b319-3fbb0065d2a8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597031 |
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:11:45 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote: > 1) Corporation's science (you are not allowed to know or participate or communicate in any way, if you are IN). > > 2) The rest, in academy, publishing houses, MSM, Hollywood Thank you, Dick For adding your other idees fixe
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-12-09 02:56 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <tmupnd$14154$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597031 |
On 12/8/2022 5:11 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:16:30 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: > > <snip> > >> ...also, extra points for "idee fixe" : >> >> 1. zionist conspiracy >> 2. kzar domination >> 3. Einstein cult >> 4. relativism (sic!) >> 5. jewish science >> >> You get the idea... > > > NO, IMBECILE. IT'S MUCH EASIER: > > 1) Corporation's science (you are not allowed to know or participate or communicate in any way, if you are IN). > > 2) The rest, in academy, publishing houses, MSM, Hollywood (THIS IS THE ONLY THAT YOU KNOW, Dono. You ARE OUT OF 1). > You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your posts for excellent additions to the new crank index.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-09 09:07 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f10a56a1-130c-4879-a748-70b833406ebfn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597053 |
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 11:56:32 PM UTC-8, Volney wrote: > On 12/8/2022 5:11 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:16:30 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >> ...also, extra points for "idee fixe" : > >> > >> 1. zionist conspiracy > >> 2. kzar domination > >> 3. Einstein cult > >> 4. relativism (sic!) > >> 5. jewish science > >> > >> You get the idea... > > > > > > NO, IMBECILE. IT'S MUCH EASIER: > > > > 1) Corporation's science (you are not allowed to know or participate or communicate in any way, if you are IN). > > > > 2) The rest, in academy, publishing houses, MSM, Hollywood (THIS IS THE ONLY THAT YOU KNOW, Dono. You ARE OUT OF 1). > > > You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your posts > for excellent additions to the new crank index. Must give Dick extra points for insane stalking. And for the ineptitude of his stalking, he's as bad at stalking as he's bad at science.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-09 12:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b6aac02d-30e0-483d-acf3-9479fa9dcc19n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #597053 |
On Friday, 9 December 2022 at 08:56:32 UTC+1, Volney wrote: > On 12/8/2022 5:11 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:16:30 PM UTC-3, Dono. wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >> ...also, extra points for "idee fixe" : > >> > >> 1. zionist conspiracy > >> 2. kzar domination > >> 3. Einstein cult > >> 4. relativism (sic!) > >> 5. jewish science > >> > >> You get the idea... > > > > > > NO, IMBECILE. IT'S MUCH EASIER: > > > > 1) Corporation's science (you are not allowed to know or participate or communicate in any way, if you are IN). > > > > 2) The rest, in academy, publishing houses, MSM, Hollywood (THIS IS THE ONLY THAT YOU KNOW, Dono. You ARE OUT OF 1). > > > You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your posts > for excellent additions to the new crank index. And - do you still believe that your ISO idiocy is a consequence of Newtonian physics, stupid Mike?
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| From | Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> |
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| Date | 2022-12-09 21:02 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tn07ol$18bei$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597053 |
Volney wrote: > On 12/8/2022 5:11 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: >> NO, IMBECILE. IT'S MUCH EASIER: >> 1) Corporation's science (you are not allowed to know or participate or >> communicate in any way, if you are IN). >> 2) The rest, in academy, publishing houses, MSM, Hollywood (THIS IS THE >> ONLY THAT YOU KNOW, Dono. You ARE OUT OF 1). > > You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your posts > for excellent additions to the new crank index. you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors and the money changers, making money, giving them to fools. (english subtitles) "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake currencies https://%62%72%69%67%68%74%65%6f%6e.com/35baa4ae-825b-440b-8231-33a718e9d162
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| From | Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> |
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| Date | 2022-12-10 20:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tn2q64$1nfq6$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597128 |
Trolidan7 wrote: > On 12/9/22 1:02 PM, Hanoi Cuocco wrote: >> Volney wrote: >>> You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your posts >>> for excellent additions to the new crank index. >> >> you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors and >> the money changers, making money, giving them to fools. >> (english subtitles) >> >> "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake >> currencies > > The piece of shit is a comedian. You can exchange paper money for food. no, you can't. Exchange this to food $100.00. You can't. Then give this to uKraine $100,000,000,000.00 which is $100 billions. that's why the nazi west europe want uKraine, cheap/gratis gas and oil from Russia, and cheap/gratis grains and vegetables from fucking nazi uKraine. that's why the putina looks like a traitor. After a ship going down, terror attack on Crimea, jets destroyed, bridge destroyed, pipeline destroyed etc, he allows the nazi west europe to harvest grains from the fucking nazi uKraine. No ship loaded with grains went to Africa. All to west europe, as Holland, France, Germany, Spain, etc. Allowing this, the putina looks undeniable like a traitor. don't forget to give the above money to nazi uKraine. Tell them I sent you to give them that.
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| From | Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> |
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| Date | 2022-12-10 21:19 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tn2t49$1nj28$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597223 |
Dan Christensen wrote: > On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:29:00 PM UTC-5, Lou Abatangelo > wrote: >> Trolidan7 wrote: >> >> > On 12/9/22 1:02 PM, Hanoi Cuocco wrote: >> >> Volney wrote: >> >>> You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your >> >>> posts for excellent additions to the new crank index. >> >> >> >> you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors >> >> and the money changers, making money, giving them to fools. (english >> >> subtitles) >> >> >> >> "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake >> >> currencies >> > >> > The piece of shit ... > > Hey, Nazi Boy, how is your genocidal war of conquest and terror going? > Not you are replying to the wrong context and user, you fucking imbecile. You don't even know you live in fascism and capitalism. I shit on your country, capisce? It's a fascist shithole. They are killing you since you are too expensive for the wanker trudeau castro justine.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-10 16:18 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <jvketmFds1fU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597228 |
On 12/10/2022 3:19 PM, Lou Abatangelo wrote: > Dan Christensen wrote: > >> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:29:00 PM UTC-5, Lou Abatangelo >> wrote: >>> Trolidan7 wrote: >>> >>>> On 12/9/22 1:02 PM, Hanoi Cuocco wrote: >>>>> Volney wrote: >>>>>> You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your >>>>>> posts for excellent additions to the new crank index. >>>>> >>>>> you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors >>>>> and the money changers, making money, giving them to fools. (english >>>>> subtitles) >>>>> >>>>> "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake >>>>> currencies >>>> >>>> The piece of shit ... >> >> Hey, Nazi Boy, how is your genocidal war of conquest and terror going? >> Not > > you are replying to the wrong context and user, you fucking imbecile. You > don't even know you live in fascism and capitalism. I shit on your > country, capisce? It's a fascist shithole. They are killing you since you > are too expensive for the wanker trudeau castro justine. Ongoing childish antics.
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| From | Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> |
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| Date | 2022-12-10 14:42 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <tn320l$1o4qi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597238 |
On 12/10/22 2:18 PM, whodat wrote: > On 12/10/2022 3:19 PM, Lou Abatangelo wrote: >> Dan Christensen wrote: >> >>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:29:00 PM UTC-5, Lou Abatangelo >>> wrote: >>>> Trolidan7 wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/9/22 1:02 PM, Hanoi Cuocco wrote: >>>>>> Volney wrote: >>>>>>> You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your >>>>>>> posts for excellent additions to the new crank index. >>>>>> >>>>>> you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors >>>>>> and the money changers, making money, giving them to fools. (english >>>>>> subtitles) >>>>>> >>>>>> "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake >>>>>> currencies >>>>> >>>>> The piece of shit ... >>> >>> Hey, Nazi Boy, how is your genocidal war of conquest and terror going? >>> Not >> >> you are replying to the wrong context and user, you fucking imbecile. You >> don't even know you live in fascism and capitalism. I shit on your >> country, capisce? It's a fascist shithole. They are killing you since you >> are too expensive for the wanker trudeau castro justine. > > Ongoing childish antics. The pope in Rome has signed the nuclear weapons ***BAN*** treaty of 2017. Since that time all nations that have them ceased to have the right to exist. All of them are making war against reasonable versions of a supreme being. The so-called 'United Nations' is also making war against reasonable versions of a supreme being if they continue to recognize their existence. It is you, me, and 8 billion human beings that these so-called 'heads of state' or 'heads of government' that these false nations have shown intent to murder by maintaining arsenals of nuclear weapons. They also want to murder innocent children.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-10 17:59 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <jvkkr6Fer3tU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597242 |
On 12/10/2022 4:42 PM, Trolidan7 wrote: > On 12/10/22 2:18 PM, whodat wrote: >> On 12/10/2022 3:19 PM, Lou Abatangelo wrote: >>> Dan Christensen wrote: >>> >>>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 3:29:00 PM UTC-5, Lou Abatangelo >>>> wrote: >>>>> Trolidan7 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 12/9/22 1:02 PM, Hanoi Cuocco wrote: >>>>>>> Volney wrote: >>>>>>>> You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your >>>>>>>> posts for excellent additions to the new crank index. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors >>>>>>> and the money changers, making money, giving them to fools. (english >>>>>>> subtitles) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake >>>>>>> currencies >>>>>> >>>>>> The piece of shit ... >>>> >>>> Hey, Nazi Boy, how is your genocidal war of conquest and terror going? >>>> Not >>> >>> you are replying to the wrong context and user, you fucking imbecile. >>> You >>> don't even know you live in fascism and capitalism. I shit on your >>> country, capisce? It's a fascist shithole. They are killing you since >>> you >>> are too expensive for the wanker trudeau castro justine. >> >> Ongoing childish antics. > > The pope in Rome has signed the nuclear weapons ***BAN*** treaty > of 2017. > > Since that time all nations that have them ceased to have the > right to exist. All of them are making war against reasonable > versions of a supreme being. > > The so-called 'United Nations' is also making war against reasonable > versions of a supreme being if they continue to recognize their > existence. > > It is you, me, and 8 billion human beings that these so-called > 'heads of state' or 'heads of government' that these false nations > have shown intent to murder by maintaining arsenals of nuclear > weapons. > > They also want to murder innocent children. Aren't you a child? Are you "innocent?"
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| From | Lou Abatangelo <lbta@aooutala.nl> |
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| Date | 2022-12-10 22:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tn32sv$1o2cq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597228 |
Dan Christensen wrote: > On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 4:19:14 PM UTC-5, Lou Abatangelo >> >> > The piece of shit ... >> > Hey, Nazi Boy, how is your genocidal war of conquest and terror >> > going? Not >> you are replying to the wrong context and user, you fucking imbecile. >> You don't even know you live in fascism and capitalism. > > Another useful idiot. Your boss is the biggest fascist capitalist in the > world, Nazi Boy! XAXAXA this inbreed imbecile doesn't know trudeau castro justine is gay. The nazi nato is occupying illegally uKraine, a historically Russian Territory. you are going to pay the price for your deeds, in europe, you stinking nazis. You nazis are all gays. Another Batch Of Ukroids Captured https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/ZHyLUWCyBzWQ/ 2022 12 09 Unconditional Surrender Is Now Russia's Goal https://%79%6f%75%74%75.be/nmYUPIxlaxk lol, nazi capitalist west, bombing energy pipelines, killing civilians with poison serum "vaccines" and bullets. Forced Conscription Goes Wrong In AFU？ Even Bullets Can't Put This ＂ Conscientious Objector＂ Down https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/liDsxUwLAzzj Insane： How Does U.S. MaxxPro MRAP Handle I.E.D.s？ You Be The Judge https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/ceIMejcjB4Vy
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-12-10 16:16 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <jvkeplFds1fU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #597223 |
On 12/10/2022 2:28 PM, Lou Abatangelo wrote: > Trolidan7 wrote: > >> On 12/9/22 1:02 PM, Hanoi Cuocco wrote: >>> Volney wrote: >>>> You may be honored to know that I will be rereading some of your posts >>>> for excellent additions to the new crank index. >>> >>> you are so cool, nice guy. Here's a little about the tax_collectors and >>> the money changers, making money, giving them to fools. >>> (english subtitles) >>> >>> "You can't feed anyone with paper – you need food" - Putin on fake >>> currencies >> >> The piece of shit is a comedian. You can exchange paper money for food. > > no, you can't. Exchange this to food $100.00. You can't. Then give this to > uKraine > $100,000,000,000.00 which is $100 billions. > > that's why the nazi west europe want uKraine, cheap/gratis gas and oil > from Russia, and cheap/gratis grains and vegetables from fucking nazi > uKraine. > > that's why the putina looks like a traitor. After a ship going down, > terror attack on Crimea, jets destroyed, bridge destroyed, pipeline > destroyed etc, he allows the nazi west europe to harvest grains from the > fucking nazi uKraine. No ship loaded with grains went to Africa. All to > west europe, as Holland, France, Germany, Spain, etc. Allowing this, the > putina looks undeniable like a traitor. > > don't forget to give the above money to nazi uKraine. Tell them I sent you > to give them that. You're way out of your depth you know.
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| From | Smokey Abbiati <asbk@atmakb.ai> |
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| Date | 2022-12-11 18:21 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tn573b$200g7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #597223 |
Michael Moroney wrote: >> Oh nymshifter, avoid Occupied Crimea. I hear things have been going >> BANG there. 🚀💣💥 > > Avoid spas in Occupied Melitopol and 卐Wagner卐 headquarters as well! 🚀 💣💥 au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe, fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are not gays and homos. They are doing it for fun.
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| From | Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> |
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| Date | 2022-12-11 10:40 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <8qkh6j-nup62.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net> |
| In reply to | #597297 |
In sci.physics Smokey Abbiati <asbk@atmakb.ai> wrote: > Michael Moroney wrote: > >>> Oh nymshifter, avoid Occupied Crimea. I hear things have been going >>> BANG there. 🚀💣💥 >> >> Avoid spas in Occupied Melitopol and 卐Wagner卐 headquarters as well! 🚀 > 💣💥 > > au contraire, I see Russia taking over the entire capitalist europe, > fucking the gringos capitalist americans into their ass. No, they are not > gays and homos. They are doing it for fun. Non sequitur. If they were not gays and homos, it would not be fun.
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