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The error of relativistic physicists explained

Started byRichard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>
First post2022-09-18 22:39 +0000
Last post2022-12-07 23:06 +0000
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  The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-18 22:39 +0000
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 17:14 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 17:37 -0700
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 17:55 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 23:17 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 19:32 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-18 20:12 -0700
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 09:35 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 09:44 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 09:53 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-20 13:59 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 08:23 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-09-19 12:10 +0300
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-19 11:29 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-19 19:42 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-09-20 13:18 +0300
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-20 15:15 -0400
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 19:34 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 19:47 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 19:54 +0000
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-20 21:45 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Justus Basurto <trso@subsrbob.au> - 2022-09-20 21:56 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 15:47 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-20 19:51 -0400
          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-21 10:59 +0000
            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-21 06:32 -0700
              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-21 23:20 +0000
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-21 16:53 -0700
            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-21 19:29 -0400
              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-09-21 23:14 -0700
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-22 14:26 +0000
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-22 15:27 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 22:42 -0700
          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-09-20 22:51 -0700
    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-23 07:03 +0200
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-23 11:50 +0000
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 07:22 -0700
      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 12:55 -0700
        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-24 08:21 +0200
          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 23:59 -0700
            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-24 09:24 +0200
              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-24 11:24 -0700
                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-25 08:44 +0200
                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Paul B. Andersen" <pba@paulba.no> - 2022-09-25 14:56 +0200
                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-09-26 20:32 +0000
                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-01 07:40 +0100
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-01 00:23 -0700
                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-05 08:22 +0100
                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-05 11:08 -0700
                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-06 08:41 +0100
                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-06 10:35 -0800
                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-07 14:06 -0500
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-08 07:19 +0100
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 00:09 -0800
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-08 10:27 -0500
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 08:54 -0800
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 09:10 -0500
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-16 08:15 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-16 09:14 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-16 12:59 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-16 10:37 -0800
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jules Scotti <ujsl@ocjssuis.os> - 2022-11-16 18:40 +0000
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-18 08:33 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-20 20:56 -0500
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-23 08:55 +0100
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-08 18:52 +0000
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 09:24 -0500
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-09 16:17 +0000
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 12:34 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-09 19:30 +0000
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-09 12:37 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-10 06:21 +0000
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-09 23:19 -0800
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-10 07:59 +0000
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai> - 2022-12-07 23:10 +0000
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 15:28 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-10 06:47 +0000
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-10 08:34 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 01:32 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Stefano Martelli <ftor@asanlnit.ir> - 2022-11-12 09:06 +0000
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-12 11:27 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-13 09:58 +0100
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-13 11:17 -0500
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-14 08:11 +0100
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-14 11:31 -0500
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-15 09:20 +0100
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-16 08:06 +0100
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-16 09:12 +0100
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-16 12:56 -0500
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-17 09:03 +0100
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-17 10:22 +0100
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-18 08:03 +0100
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-20 21:01 -0500
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Blake Armanni <blea@arrkare.in> - 2022-11-21 10:41 +0000
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-21 13:37 -0500
                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Blake Armanni <blea@arrkare.in> - 2022-11-21 20:33 +0000
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-23 13:21 -0500
                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Forest Vaccaro <asoa@ctrsreca.vr> - 2022-11-23 19:10 +0000
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-23 09:14 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-11-17 13:10 +0100
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-17 15:07 +0100
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-18 08:10 +0100
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-09 07:57 +0100
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 23:15 -0800
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-09 12:03 -0500
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-10 08:21 +0100
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-12 01:55 -0500
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-20 09:19 +0100
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-20 21:18 -0500
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 22:12 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-21 08:52 +0100
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-22 08:37 +0100
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-23 18:31 -0500
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-23 22:32 -0800
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-24 08:49 +0100
                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-25 13:08 -0700
                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-26 08:46 +0200
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-09-26 09:25 -0700
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-26 15:42 -0700
                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-27 08:33 +0200
                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-27 13:01 -0700
                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-27 23:17 +0000
                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-28 08:15 +0200
                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 00:04 -0700
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 16:10 +0000
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 11:55 -0700
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 19:23 +0000
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 12:46 -0700
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 21:28 +0000
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 21:34 +0000
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-09-28 16:17 -0500
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai> - 2022-12-07 23:25 +0000
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 15:29 -0800
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-28 11:53 -0700
                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-29 08:48 +0200
                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-29 10:54 -0700
                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-09-30 09:12 +0200
                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-01 16:05 -0700
                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-02 09:58 +0200
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-02 03:34 -0700
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-03 08:55 +0200
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-03 01:02 -0700
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 08:21 +0200
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 00:57 -0700
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 20:04 +0200
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 12:00 -0700
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-07 07:21 +0200
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-07 14:14 -0700
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:37 +0000
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-08 08:19 +0200
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-08 03:37 -0400
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-08 14:29 -0700
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-08 22:21 +0000
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 08:37 +0200
                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 01:56 -0700
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-11 08:03 +0200
                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 01:06 -0700
                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 01:25 -0700
                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-12 08:17 +0200
                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 23:32 -0700
                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 11:27 -0700
                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-13 09:33 +0200
                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 13:58 -0700
                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-13 21:03 +0000
                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-14 08:49 +0200
                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 01:11 -0700
                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-15 09:24 +0200
                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 03:05 -0700
                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-16 09:30 +0200
                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 13:02 -0700
                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 13:19 -0700
                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-17 08:18 +0200
                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 02:48 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-18 08:56 +0200
                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 14:51 -0700
                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-20 21:14 +0200
                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 13:27 -0700
                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-21 09:03 +0200
                                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 02:05 -0700
                                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-22 10:36 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 08:42 +0000
                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 12:04 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-22 19:47 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 19:54 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 23:00 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:13 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 02:45 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 07:49 +0200
                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-24 23:53 -0700
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                                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-28 20:51 -0700
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                                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-31 09:40 +0100
                                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-10-31 11:26 +0200
                                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-31 17:42 -0700
                                                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-01 07:59 +0100
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                                                                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-02 09:04 +0100
                                                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-11-02 11:39 +0200
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                                                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-11-04 12:12 +0200
                                                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-04 10:49 -0700
                                                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-05 08:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-05 11:10 -0700
                                                                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-06 08:51 +0100
                                                                                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-06 10:47 -0800
                                                                                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-08 07:35 +0100
                                                                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-08 00:07 -0800
                                                                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Everly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re> - 2022-11-08 19:28 +0000
                                                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-26 08:48 +0200
                                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-22 22:31 -0400
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-22 22:57 -0700
                                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-23 09:24 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Oscar Alcheri <ohci@iessicsr.rn> - 2022-10-23 07:46 +0000
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 02:48 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-23 02:51 -0700
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-25 08:05 +0200
                                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-25 19:48 -0400
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-27 08:51 +0200
                                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Chase Rossini <asoi@riisscss.ho> - 2022-10-28 10:49 +0000
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 04:01 +0000
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-10-08 14:02 +0200
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-09 08:30 +0200
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 12:02 +0000
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-10-09 22:29 +0200
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-07 02:05 -0400
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Stilo <nuor@riotlaur.iu> - 2022-10-08 03:57 +0000
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-08 08:47 +0200
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-08 03:43 -0400
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-09 08:36 +0200
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 12:14 +0000
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-10 08:23 +0200
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 15:40 +0000
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-11 08:08 +0200
                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Paul B. Andersen" <pba@paulba.no> - 2022-10-02 14:37 +0200
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-02 14:27 -0700
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-02 14:38 -0700
                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-03 09:21 +0200
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-03 01:08 -0700
                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-03 11:59 -0400
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Douglass Nervetti <dlul@esivlen.an> - 2022-10-03 18:31 +0000
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai> - 2022-12-07 23:03 +0000
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 15:24 -0800
                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 08:29 +0200
                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 00:58 -0700
                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-10-06 20:11 +0200
                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 11:31 -0700
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-06 11:33 -0700
                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-11-30 09:19 +0100
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Lee Barsetti <erre@battaete.tr> - 2022-11-30 16:12 +0000
                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-30 20:15 -0800
                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-01 10:46 +0100
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-01 12:40 -0800
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-01 13:15 -0800
                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-02 08:22 +0100
                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-02 03:17 -0800
                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-05 08:51 +0100
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-05 03:03 -0800
                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Dallas Basurto <aarr@maramr.sa> - 2022-12-05 18:34 +0000
                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-06 09:08 +0100
                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-06 13:01 -0600
                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-07 09:12 +0100
                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-07 12:31 -0600
                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-08 08:06 +0100
                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-08 10:17 -0600
                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-09 07:54 +0100
                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-09 10:56 -0600
                                                                                        Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-10 07:53 +0100
                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-12-10 06:53 -0800
                                                                                          Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 10:06 -0600
                                                                                            Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-11 07:48 +0100
                                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-14 08:29 +0100
                                                                                                Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-14 06:06 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Fabio Brambilla <oaab@llbaboaa.am> - 2022-12-14 17:36 +0000
                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-14 13:48 -0600
                                                                                                  Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-15 10:15 +0100
                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-12-15 01:17 -0800
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                                                                                                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-15 05:52 -0600
                                                                                                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-16 08:43 +0100
                                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-12-07 11:23 -0800
                                                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-02 01:25 -0500
                              Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-28 21:46 +0000
                    Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Nikki Baldini <inai@dilainii.ib> - 2022-09-27 16:39 +0000
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-27 12:34 -0700
                      Re: The error of relativistic physicists explained Urbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai> - 2022-12-07 23:06 +0000

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#595515

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2022-11-16 10:37 -0800
Message-ID<31a10fd0-ae38-45fb-b91d-01774b03891cn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595507
On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 18:59:45 UTC+1, Volney wrote:

> There are no errors in Einstein's 1905 SR paper.

Except that, as proven many times here, it's 
an inconsistent mumble ignoring valid in
that time definitions.

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#595517

FromJules Scotti <ujsl@ocjssuis.os>
Date2022-11-16 18:40 +0000
Message-ID<tl3ar2$2d7ef$3@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595507
Volney wrote:

> On 11/16/2022 2:15 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> You should distinguish between the theories themselves and the text,
>> which Einstein had written.
> 
> Considered one of the greatest science papers of all times.

absolutely, but please remark, the traitor of cacanada, can't follow a 
discrete private conversation, pushing in "we in cacanada..", 

and that the *ass* of this repulsive mass murderer criminal 
*young_global_leader*, trudeau castro justine, is LARGER than the broad of 
his shoulders. Disgusting uneducated son of a bitch.

Xi Jinping confronts Justin Trudeau at G20 over 'leaked' conversation 
details https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKfKOGwcFN8

Xi roasts Canadian PM at G20
https://%72%74.com/news/566634-xi-trudeau-g20-bali/
The Chinese president scolded Justin Trudeau, implying he leaked the 
contents of their meeting to the media 

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#595609

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2022-11-18 08:33 +0100
Message-ID<jtoqqfF9vfmU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#595507
Am 16.11.2022 um 18:59 schrieb Volney:
> On 11/16/2022 2:15 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 09.11.2022 um 15:10 schrieb Volney:
>>> On 11/8/2022 11:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 16:27:43 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>>> On 11/8/2022 1:19 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>> Am 07.11.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Volney:
>>>>>>   ...
>>>>>>>> I solved this problem by excluding the observer from the setting
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> take the angles at that point only.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But Einstein solved the same problem by expanding the plane
>>>>>>>> waves to
>>>>>>>> infinity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are plane waves, so any location can be used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my view, Einstein's 'solution' was nonsense, because no such
>>>>>>>> waves
>>>>>>>> are possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Einstein's solution' was not Einstein's. It was how physics was
>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>> during the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is a 'plane wave approximation' of a spherical wave.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But Einstein used actually plane waves from end one of infinity
>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, this is standard physics since before Maxwell.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, possibly, but it's still nonsense, because no souce of any
>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>> wave can stretch from one end of the universe to the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not relevant. Plane waves are used because the math is simpler.
>>>>>>> Physics
>>>>>>> uses such simplifications all the time. There are no such things as
>>>>>>> frictionless surfaces, massless ropes or frictionless pulleys, but
>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>> school level physics (mechanics) uses these all the time since it
>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>> the math MUCH simpler. Nothing to do with Einstein, this level of
>>>>>>> mechanics is Newtonian.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Real waves obey Huigens principle and are more or less spherical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Irrelevant. If a plane wave exists, its continued existence doesn't
>>>>>>> violate any laws or rules of physics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The meant laws are not the laws of physics, but the laws of nature.
>>>>> You're trying to pick a nit that's not even there. Physics models
>>>>> nature
>>>>
>>>> It did, up to 1905, stupid Mike. Since more than 100 years
>>>> it models mostly some gedanken  delusions of an insane
>>>> crazie.
>>>
>>> Despite all of your raving and spitting, Einstein's SR and GR have been
>>> very successful models, being validated repeatedly and never refuted in
>>> their domains.  Tissue?
>>
>> You should distinguish between the theories themselves and the text,
>> which Einstein had written.
>
> Considered one of the greatest science papers of all times.

I personally think, it is total crap.

My error count was well over four-hundred errors.

These errors cover various violations of scientific standards.

For instance I disliked his use of variable names.

I would expect to use different fonts or other signs, which allow to 
distinguish e.g. vectors, scalars and functions.

I would also expect definitions of used terms and variables.

What I do not expect would be the reuse of variable names for other 
purposses.

Another issue was the lack of references to used material.

E.g. I have searched in the works of Heinrich Hertz for possible sources 
of what he called 'Maxwell-Hertz equations'.

Einstein himself gave no hints whatsoever from where he got these equations.

But I found some similarities in Hertz' works, but also differences.

Therefore, I have the assumption, that not only references were missing, 
but also quotes false.

Another issue is the relation of his text to works of Henry Poincaré, 
which Einstein apparently used, but not quoted.

Especially the text 'Sur la dynamic d'electron' seems related.

Now possible quotes are an issue, because that book was published after 
Einstein handed in his paper and before Einstein's article was published.

That would raise the question, how secure the dates of these papers are.

Then we have a lot of illogic statements and wrong derivations.

About those I have maintained several discussions here.

The result was always the same:

my discussion partners simply denied any kind of error in what seems 
false to me.

For instance I tried to show, that the use of plane waves for 
relativistic movement is nonsense, because plane waves do not really 
exist, but are only local approximations to real world waves.

Now the condition 'local' would exclude fast motion, because that realm 
of approximation will soon me left.

And so it goes on and on and on...

All errors are denied, I'm a Nazi and Einstein's paper the best ever 
written.


...


TH

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#595822

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2022-11-20 20:56 -0500
Message-ID<tlelt4$3kq1m$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595609
On 11/18/2022 2:33 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 16.11.2022 um 18:59 schrieb Volney:
>> On 11/16/2022 2:15 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 09.11.2022 um 15:10 schrieb Volney:
>>>> On 11/8/2022 11:54 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 8 November 2022 at 16:27:43 UTC+1, Volney wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/8/2022 1:19 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 07.11.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Volney:
>>>>>>>   ...
>>>>>>>>> I solved this problem by excluding the observer from the setting
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> take the angles at that point only.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But Einstein solved the same problem by expanding the plane
>>>>>>>>> waves to
>>>>>>>>> infinity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are plane waves, so any location can be used.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my view, Einstein's 'solution' was nonsense, because no such
>>>>>>>>> waves
>>>>>>>>> are possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Einstein's solution' was not Einstein's. It was how physics was
>>>>>>>> done
>>>>>>>> during the time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is a 'plane wave approximation' of a spherical wave.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But Einstein used actually plane waves from end one of infinity
>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>> other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is nonsense,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, this is standard physics since before Maxwell.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, possibly, but it's still nonsense, because no souce of any
>>>>>>>>> real
>>>>>>>>> wave can stretch from one end of the universe to the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not relevant. Plane waves are used because the math is simpler.
>>>>>>>> Physics
>>>>>>>> uses such simplifications all the time. There are no such things as
>>>>>>>> frictionless surfaces, massless ropes or frictionless pulleys, but
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> school level physics (mechanics) uses these all the time since it
>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>> the math MUCH simpler. Nothing to do with Einstein, this level of
>>>>>>>> mechanics is Newtonian.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Real waves obey Huigens principle and are more or less spherical.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant. If a plane wave exists, its continued existence doesn't
>>>>>>>> violate any laws or rules of physics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The meant laws are not the laws of physics, but the laws of nature.
>>>>>> You're trying to pick a nit that's not even there. Physics models
>>>>>> nature
>>>>>
>>>>> It did, up to 1905, stupid Mike. Since more than 100 years
>>>>> it models mostly some gedanken  delusions of an insane
>>>>> crazie.
>>>>
>>>> Despite all of your raving and spitting, Einstein's SR and GR have been
>>>> very successful models, being validated repeatedly and never refuted in
>>>> their domains.  Tissue?
>>>
>>> You should distinguish between the theories themselves and the text,
>>> which Einstein had written.
>>
>> Considered one of the greatest science papers of all times.
> 
> I personally think, it is total crap.

Of course you do. But you are irrelevant, while actual *scientists* 
consider it to be one of the greatest papers ever.

> My error count was well over four-hundred errors.

Again, you are irrelevant, a crank, and every one of your so-called 
"errors" that anyone has bothered to look at have been YOUR errors or 
misunderstandings.
> 
> These errors cover various violations of scientific standards.

You mean "YOUR errors cover various violations of scientific standards."
> 
> For instance I disliked his use of variable names.

Poor baby!
> 
> I would expect to use different fonts or other signs, which allow to 
> distinguish e.g. vectors, scalars and functions.
> 
> I would also expect definitions of used terms and variables.

Remember, his target audience was other physicists. No need to prove 
2+2=4 every single time.

<snip remaining whining>
Again, Don't blame Einstein for your mistakes.

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#595961

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2022-11-23 08:55 +0100
Message-ID<ju61usFakkcU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#595822
Am 21.11.2022 um 02:56 schrieb Volney:

>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant. If a plane wave exists, its continued existence
>>>>>>>>> doesn't
>>>>>>>>> violate any laws or rules of physics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The meant laws are not the laws of physics, but the laws of nature.
>>>>>>> You're trying to pick a nit that's not even there. Physics models
>>>>>>> nature
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It did, up to 1905, stupid Mike. Since more than 100 years
>>>>>> it models mostly some gedanken  delusions of an insane
>>>>>> crazie.
>>>>>
>>>>> Despite all of your raving and spitting, Einstein's SR and GR have
>>>>> been
>>>>> very successful models, being validated repeatedly and never
>>>>> refuted in
>>>>> their domains.  Tissue?
>>>>
>>>> You should distinguish between the theories themselves and the text,
>>>> which Einstein had written.
>>>
>>> Considered one of the greatest science papers of all times.
>>
>> I personally think, it is total crap.
>
> Of course you do. But you are irrelevant, while actual *scientists*
> consider it to be one of the greatest papers ever.

In science people are not that important.

Important is, whether or not something is actually true.

This means: nature dictates what is true and not some set of people you 
call 'scientists'.

It is therefore irrelevant, who criticises some theory and for what 
personal reasons. And it is also irrelevant, who defends a certain theory.

The status of a person has some influence on the 'weight' of a critique, 
but not upon its value.

If you regard my critique as invalid, then you should should be able to 
show some errors in it.

I had shown errors in Einstein's paper and defended my critique.

Now you cannot defend Einstein's paper by stating, that I would not be a 
scientist, because that would not invalidate any of my arguments.

>> My error count was well over four-hundred errors.
>
> Again, you are irrelevant, a crank, and every one of your so-called
> "errors" that anyone has bothered to look at have been YOUR errors or
> misunderstandings.

Such rants are not arguments.

If you want to show errors in my arguments, you need to quote one or 
more of my annotations and prove them wrong.

>>
>> These errors cover various violations of scientific standards.
>
> You mean "YOUR errors cover various violations of scientific standards."

No, because I was not the author of Einstein's paper.

>> For instance I disliked his use of variable names.
>
> Poor baby!

Well, yes, variable names are an issue in papers in physics, because 
they contain content, too.

Therefore variables should be named with care and an internally 
consistent naming system.

But Einstein's system was rather nasty, because he reused names, used 
different names for the same quantity or unusual names, where common 
names were already established.

I also disliked his habit, to name different types of mathematical 
objects with undistiguishable symbols.

For instant functions, scalars and vectors have all the same type of 
character, which gave no hint, which kind of object was meant.

To make matters worse, the type was occasionally altered without notice.

The next serious issue was, that none of his symbols was actually 
defined explicitly.

He simply assumed, the reader should know anyhow, what he had in mind.

But that was not an easy task and it took me quite a while to figuere 
out, what the actual contents of his statements were.

Now this content was, what contains the errors, even if formal 
violations were also wrong.

...


TH

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#594980

FromEverly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re>
Date2022-11-08 18:52 +0000
Message-ID<tke8h1$3vfi8$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#594965
Volney wrote:

> On 11/8/2022 1:19 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> The meant laws are not the laws of physics, but the laws of nature.
> 
> You're trying to pick a nit that's not even there. Physics models nature
> so the laws of physics are modeling what nature is doing.
> Regardless, the existence of a plane wave in nature does not conflict
> with its continued existence.

come on, morony, thomas is correct. What "country" is that, where an ugly 
*ex-boxer* is the mayor of its capital city, Kiev. Come on, a gay comedian, 
with no party, no politics, the put it and call it for "president". You 
must be thinking I am stupid. Proofs in data records:

Ex-boxer Kiev Mayor Vitali Klitschko is almost as brain dead as 
Fetterman... 
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/7Yi6DzkaYLyZ/

Kiev Mayor Vitali Klitschko said that 16 missiles flew at the Ukrainian 
capital, 16 were shot down, but 2 (?) hit energy infrastructure.

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#595027

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2022-11-09 09:24 -0500
Message-ID<tkgd75$851h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#594980
On 11/8/2022 1:52 PM, Everly Segreti wrote:
> Volney wrote:
> 
>> On 11/8/2022 1:19 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> The meant laws are not the laws of physics, but the laws of nature.
>>
>> You're trying to pick a nit that's not even there. Physics models nature
>> so the laws of physics are modeling what nature is doing.
>> Regardless, the existence of a plane wave in nature does not conflict
>> with its continued existence.
> 
> come on, morony, thomas is correct. What "country" is that, where an ugly
> *ex-boxer* is the mayor of its capital city, Kiev.

Well, Minnesota had an ex-wrestler as its governor. And California had 
actors. One of which became US president who helped in the downfall of 
the USSR, much to the dismay of 卐Владольф Путлер卐.

> Come on, a gay comedian,

Who cares. More importantly, he is the Winston Churchill of Ukraine 
right when Ukraine needed a Winston Churchill. Again, to the dismay of 
卐Путлер卐.

> You must be thinking I am stupid.

No, I *know* you are stupid, nymshifter.

Anyone who spews that 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda the way you do has to be 
stupid, or paid really well to lie. I know 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 isn't paying its 
trolls like yourself well.

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#595031

FromEverly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re>
Date2022-11-09 16:17 +0000
Message-ID<tkgjr7$8ovf$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595027
Volney wrote:

>> come on, morony, thomas is correct. What "country" is that, where an
>> ugly *ex-boxer* is the mayor of its capital city, Kiev.
> 
> Well, Minnesota had an ex-wrestler as its governor. And California had
> actors. One of which became US president who helped in the downfall of
> the

that shithole is not capital of a country, morony. Can't you fucking 
english. And that moron, had a party, hence politics, to give to the 
people, so stupid as they are. The khazar gypsy actor cocaine zelenske, has 
no party, and no politics. He is called "president" having a hand stuck 
into his beggar gypsy ass. 

>> You must be thinking I am stupid.

> No, I *know* you are stupid, nymshifter.

I beg to differ. It's not you saying it, morony. It's your thinking. Too 
many birds in your thinking.

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#595035

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2022-11-09 12:34 -0500
Message-ID<tkgobc$9b1u$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595031
On 11/9/2022 11:17 AM, Everly Segreti wrote:
> Volney wrote:
> 
>>> come on, morony, thomas is correct. What "country" is that, where an
>>> ugly *ex-boxer* is the mayor of its capital city, Kiev.
>>
>> Well, Minnesota had an ex-wrestler as its governor. And California had
>> actors. One of which became US president who helped in the downfall of
>> the
> 
> that shithole is not capital of a country, morony. Can't you fucking
> english.

OK, Ronald Reagan, the US president who helped run the USSR bankrupt, 
was an actor.

> And that moron, had a party, hence politics, to give to the
> people, so stupid as they are. The khazar gypsy actor cocaine zelenske, has
> no party, and no politics.

He obviously had enough politics to get elected in a free, fair election.

> He is called "president" having a hand stuck
> into his beggar gypsy ass.

We don't need to hear about your perverted fantasies.
> 
>>> You must be thinking I am stupid.
> 
>> No, I *know* you are stupid, nymshifter.
> 
> I beg to differ.

Of course you do. You are too stupid to know that you are stupid, 
nymshifter.

> It's not you saying it, morony. It's your thinking. Too
> many birds in your thinking.

It doesn't matter whether I write it or speak it. I still know that you 
are stupid.

For engaging me, you earned a bonus of 500 rubles from your masters. Now 
you can wipe your ass.

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#595054

FromEverly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re>
Date2022-11-09 19:30 +0000
Message-ID<tkgv50$9vfd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595035
Volney wrote:
 
>> that shithole is not capital of a country, morony. Can't you fucking
>> english.
> 
> OK, Ronald Reagan, the US president who helped run the USSR bankrupt,
> was an actor.

that wanker had a party and a known politics, idiot. The cocaine zelenske, 
has none. Getting monthly 1.5 billions in euro from the cacapitalist nazi 
europe, without being a member of the clan. Monthly, not yearly, morony.
 
>> And that moron, had a party, hence politics, to give to the people, so
>> stupid as they are. The khazar gypsy actor cocaine zelenske,
>> has no party, and no politics.
> 
> He obviously had enough politics to get elected in a free, fair
> election.

what "elected", when nobody knew/know his party and his politics? You call 
it "democracy", you capitalist idiot. Any janitor, with not known politics, 
getting "selected", as in cacameirca. You are old and lying, morony. What a 
shame.

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#595058

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2022-11-09 12:37 -0800
Message-ID<137a08f7-95dd-43bc-8905-0befab3e1603n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595054
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 11:30:43 AM UTC-8, Everly Segreti wrote:
> Volney wrote: 
> 
> >> that shithole is not capital of a country, morony. Can't you fucking 
> >> english. 
> > 
> > OK, Ronald Reagan, the US president who helped run the USSR bankrupt, 
> > was an actor.
> that wanker had a party and a known politics, idiot. The cocaine zelenske, 
> has none. Getting monthly 1.5 billions in euro from the cacapitalist nazi 
> europe, without being a member of the clan. Monthly, not yearly, morony.

No matter what pretzels you twist yourself into, Zelensky turned out to
be a very effective leader.  Certainly he is now a big thorn in Putin's butt.

> >> And that moron, had a party, hence politics, to give to the people, so 
> >> stupid as they are. The khazar gypsy actor cocaine zelenske, 
> >> has no party, and no politics.

And yet it works.  Putin said that Ukraine was an artificial country that
shouldn't exist (the 22 February TV speech, NOT the 24 February one).
He summed it up by saying that it was created from pieces taken from
Poland, Russia, and other countries.  In other words, Putin repeats the
standard Russian song, they said the same about Poland after WWI, 
or as one of the Bolsheviks at the time put it, "Poland is a bastard of the
Versailles Treaty".

Russia should have broken up into several countries _centuries_ ago,
their sheer physical size is too big for their abilities, it's THE source of
its constant problems (which they invariably blame on the West, this
entire "NATO expansion" fairy tale is absolutely nothing new, it's just
Yet Another Version of this fairy tale).

Russia is a pathetic little country seeing itself as a "superpower", it's
kind of reminiscent of certain derangements seen on this NG regularly :-)

--
Jan

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#595086

FromEverly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re>
Date2022-11-10 06:21 +0000
Message-ID<tki58p$g97f$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595058
JanPB wrote:

>> that wanker had a party and a known politics, idiot. The cocaine
>> zelenske,
>> has none. Getting monthly 1.5 billions in euro from the cacapitalist
>> nazi europe, without being a member of the clan. Monthly, not yearly,
>> morony.
> 
> No matter what pretzels you twist yourself into, Zelensky turned out to
> be a very effective leader.  Certainly he is now a big thorn in Putin's
> butt.

you fucking imbecile, born imbecile. It's NOT the short beggar khazar gypsy 
gay actor zelenske cocaine, but the entire cacapitalist west, turning your 
country into a fascist nazi shithole. Or you can't read. Nor undrestand the 
billions. You disgusting lying imbecile.

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#595090

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2022-11-09 23:19 -0800
Message-ID<f1128a0c-b3a5-41e8-8479-d35573fb0a81n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#595086
On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:21:16 PM UTC-8, Everly Segreti wrote:
> JanPB wrote: 
> 
> >> that wanker had a party and a known politics, idiot. The cocaine 
> >> zelenske, 
> >> has none. Getting monthly 1.5 billions in euro from the cacapitalist 
> >> nazi europe, without being a member of the clan. Monthly, not yearly, 
> >> morony. 
> > 
> > No matter what pretzels you twist yourself into, Zelensky turned out to 
> > be a very effective leader. Certainly he is now a big thorn in Putin's 
> > butt.
> 
> you fucking imbecile, born imbecile. 

That hurt badly, didn't it?

> It's NOT the short beggar khazar gypsy 

Now you are reduced to screaming like a child.

> gay actor zelenske cocaine, but the entire cacapitalist west, turning your 
> country into a fascist nazi shithole. Or you can't read. Nor undrestand the 
> billions. You disgusting lying imbecile.

Stop posting idiocies, they are bad for your complexion.

--
Jan

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#595094

FromEverly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re>
Date2022-11-10 07:59 +0000
Message-ID<tkib04$gjlr$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595090
JanPB wrote:

>> gay actor zelenske cocaine, but the entire cacapitalist west, turning
>> your country into a fascist nazi shithole. Or you can't read. Nor
>> undrestand the billions. You disgusting lying imbecile.
> 
> Stop posting idiocies, they are bad for your complexion.

*you* are deleting the data records, you shameless inbreed idiot. It must 
be inherited. You had an *electrician* as a head of state. You nazis are 
stupid like shit. Reread the proof and memorize.

Scott Ritter Explains Why Russia's Kherson Withdrawal is a Pyrrhic 
Ukrainian Victory
https://%73%70%75%74%6e%69%6b%6e%65%77%73.com/20221109/scott-ritter-
explains-why-russias-kherson-withdrawal-is-a-pyrrhic-ukrainian-
victory-1103953027.html

What Has Joe Biden Done in Ukraine
https://%73%70%75%74%6e%69%6b%6e%65%77%73.com/20221109/what-has-joe-biden-
done-in-ukraine-and-what-could-it-cost-him-politically-1103952449.html

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#596967

FromUrbano Napoleoni <uiiu@ilaonpno.ai>
Date2022-12-07 23:10 +0000
Message-ID<tmr6ht$lvq8$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595086
Jan wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:21:22 PM UTC-8, Everly Segreti
> wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>> 
>> >> that wanker had a party and a known politics, idiot. The cocaine
>> >> zelenske,
>> >> has none. Getting monthly 1.5 billions in euro from the cacapitalist
>> >> nazi europe, without being a member of the clan. Monthly, not
>> >> yearly,
>> >> morony.
>> >
>> > No matter what pretzels you twist yourself into, Zelensky turned out
>> > to be a very effective leader. Certainly he is now a big thorn in
>> > Putin's butt.
>> 
>> you fucking imbecile, born imbecile. It's NOT the short beggar khazar
>> gypsy gay actor zelenske cocaine, but the entire cacapitalist west,
>> turning your country into a fascist nazi shithole. Or you can't read.
>> Nor undrestand the billions. You disgusting lying imbecile.
> 
> The fact remains that Putin broke his teeth on this little idiotic and
> criminal project of his.

it is you the fucking nazis, blowing up the energy pipelines, thanking "america". It stays in the newspapers, you disgusting polak idiot. Change your fucking name and move to america. You shithole country will be nill, anyway very soon. Here's what the ukronazis did with your parents, you disgusting lying shit.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Lipniki_massacre.jpg/640px-Lipniki_massacre.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia#Atrocities

The atrocities were carried out indiscriminately and without restraint. The victims, regardless of their age or gender, were routinely tortured to death. Norman Davies in No Simple Victory gives a short but shocking description of the massacres:

    Villages were torched. Roman Catholic priests were axed or crucified. Churches were burned with all their parishioners. Isolated farms were attacked by gangs carrying pitchforks and kitchen knives. Throats were cut. Pregnant women were bayoneted. Children were cut in two. Men were ambushed in the field and led away. The perpetrators could not determine the province's future. But at least they could determine that it would be a future without Poles.[117]

An OUN order from early 1944 stated:

    Liquidate all Polish traces. Destroy all walls in the Catholic Church and other Polish prayer houses. Destroy orchards and trees in the courtyards so that there will be no trace that someone lived there.... Pay attention to the fact that when something remains that is Polish, then the Poles will have pretensions to our land".[118]

UPA commander's order of 6 April 1944 stated: "Fight them [the Poles] unmercifully. No one is to be spared, even in case of mixed marriages".[119]

Timothy Snyder describes the murders: "Ukrainian partisans burned homes, shot or forced back inside those who tried to flee, and used sickles and pitchforks to kill those they captured outside. In some cases, beheaded, crucified, dismembered, or disemboweled bodies were displayed, in order to encourage remaining Poles to flee".[36] A similar account has been presented by Niall Ferguson, who wrote: "Whole villages were wiped out, men beaten to death, women raped and mutilated, babies bayoneted".[120] The Ukrainian historian Yuryi Kirichuk described the conflict as similar to medieval peasant uprisings.[121] 

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#596971

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2022-12-07 15:28 -0800
Message-ID<6a7a9fc8-f689-4f00-b746-c8b636aeec44n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#596967
On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 3:10:56 PM UTC-8, Urbano Napoleoni wrote:
> Jan wrote: 
> 
> > On Wednesday, November 9, 2022 at 10:21:22 PM UTC-8, Everly Segreti 
> > wrote: 
> >> JanPB wrote: 
> >> 
> >> >> that wanker had a party and a known politics, idiot. The cocaine 
> >> >> zelenske, 
> >> >> has none. Getting monthly 1.5 billions in euro from the cacapitalist 
> >> >> nazi europe, without being a member of the clan. Monthly, not 
> >> >> yearly, 
> >> >> morony. 
> >> > 
> >> > No matter what pretzels you twist yourself into, Zelensky turned out 
> >> > to be a very effective leader. Certainly he is now a big thorn in 
> >> > Putin's butt. 
> >> 
> >> you fucking imbecile, born imbecile. It's NOT the short beggar khazar 
> >> gypsy gay actor zelenske cocaine, but the entire cacapitalist west, 
> >> turning your country into a fascist nazi shithole. Or you can't read. 
> >> Nor undrestand the billions. You disgusting lying imbecile. 
> > 
> > The fact remains that Putin broke his teeth on this little idiotic and 
> > criminal project of his. 
> 
> it is you the fucking nazis, blowing up the energy pipelines, thanking "america". It stays in the newspapers, you disgusting polak idiot. Change your fucking name and move to america. You shithole country will be nill, anyway very soon. Here's what the ukronazis did with your parents, you disgusting lying shit. 
> 
> 
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Lipniki_massacre.jpg/640px-Lipniki_massacre.jpg 
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia#Atrocities 
> 
> The atrocities were carried out indiscriminately and without restraint. The victims, regardless of their age or gender, were routinely tortured to death. Norman Davies in No Simple Victory gives a short but shocking description of the massacres: 
> 
> Villages were torched. Roman Catholic priests were axed or crucified. Churches were burned with all their parishioners. Isolated farms were attacked by gangs carrying pitchforks and kitchen knives. Throats were cut. Pregnant women were bayoneted. Children were cut in two. Men were ambushed in the field and led away. The perpetrators could not determine the province's future. But at least they could determine that it would be a future without Poles.[117] 
> 
> An OUN order from early 1944 stated: 
> 
> Liquidate all Polish traces. Destroy all walls in the Catholic Church and other Polish prayer houses. Destroy orchards and trees in the courtyards so that there will be no trace that someone lived there.... Pay attention to the fact that when something remains that is Polish, then the Poles will have pretensions to our land".[118] 
> 
> UPA commander's order of 6 April 1944 stated: "Fight them [the Poles] unmercifully. No one is to be spared, even in case of mixed marriages".[119] 
> 
> Timothy Snyder describes the murders: "Ukrainian partisans burned homes, shot or forced back inside those who tried to flee, and used sickles and pitchforks to kill those they captured outside. In some cases, beheaded, crucified, dismembered, or disemboweled bodies were displayed, in order to encourage remaining Poles to flee".[36] A similar account has been presented by Niall Ferguson, who wrote: "Whole villages were wiped out, men beaten to death, women raped and mutilated, babies bayoneted".[120] The Ukrainian historian Yuryi Kirichuk described the conflict as similar to medieval peasant uprisings.[121]

Don't get so upset, I have work to do and the noise is distracting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0I8CI0TRf90 

--
Jan

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#595088

FromEverly Segreti <ille@leysgsei.re>
Date2022-11-10 06:47 +0000
Message-ID<tki6p6$gb7p$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595058
JanPB wrote:

>> that wanker had a party and a known politics, idiot. The cocaine
>> zelenske,
>> has none. Getting monthly 1.5 billions in euro from the cacapitalist
>> nazi europe, without being a member of the clan. Monthly, not yearly,
>> morony.
> 
> No matter what pretzels you twist yourself into, Zelensky turned out to
> be a very effective leader.  Certainly he is now a big thorn in Putin's
> butt.

the gay comedian has a big hand *stuck_into_his_ass*, you inbreed cretin. 
Now *change* your stupid polaker name and emigrate to *cacamerica*. You 
nazis are a shame for europe. Liars modrafaka sondre bitches.

 The US leader insists on “uninterrupted” weapons supplies to Kiev 
https://www.rt.com/news/566250-biden-ukraine-uninterrupted-aid/

“And by the way, we’ve not given Ukraine a blank check. There’s a lot of 
things Ukraine wants that we didn’t do,” he said on Wednesday, noting that 
Kiev had requested American aircraft to defend its skies. 
“I said ‘No, we’re not going to do that. We’re not going to get into a 
third world war, taking on Russian aircraft and directly engage,” he 
continued, adding that Washington had also refused certain long-range 
weapons “because I’m not looking for them to start bombing Russian 
territory.” 

 EU explains catch to $18 billion in Ukraine aid
Kiev will have 35 years to pay the bloc back 
https://www.rt.com/news/566244-eu-loans-ukraine-assistance/

 Leader urges Jews to leave Germany for Israel
https://www.rt.com/news/566242-jews-germany-israel-leader/


 "President" Joe Biden is open to looking into Twitter’s new boss as a 
national security risk 
https://www.rt.com/news/566249-biden-musk-twitter-national-security/

you still think is the short khazar gay comedian, pulling strings in that 
oligarch shithole, in existence since 1991, and mostly after the 
cacamerican coup 2014?? You are a disgarace.

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#595092

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2022-11-10 08:34 +0100
Message-ID<jt3nrqF112tU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#595027
Am 09.11.2022 um 15:24 schrieb Volney:
> On 11/8/2022 1:52 PM, Everly Segreti wrote:
>> Volney wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/8/2022 1:19 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>> The meant laws are not the laws of physics, but the laws of nature.
>>>
>>> You're trying to pick a nit that's not even there. Physics models nature
>>> so the laws of physics are modeling what nature is doing.
>>> Regardless, the existence of a plane wave in nature does not conflict
>>> with its continued existence.
>>
>> come on, morony, thomas is correct. What "country" is that, where an ugly
>> *ex-boxer* is the mayor of its capital city, Kiev.
>
> Well, Minnesota had an ex-wrestler as its governor. And California had
> actors. One of which became US president who helped in the downfall of
> the USSR, much to the dismay of 卐Владольф Путлер卐.

Actually I liked this ex-wrestler (Jessy Ventura, if I recall that right).
California had Reagan and Schwarzenegger and I only liked them as actors.
>> Come on, a gay comedian,
>
> Who cares. More importantly, he is the Winston Churchill of Ukraine
> right when Ukraine needed a Winston Churchill. Again, to the dismay of
> 卐Путлер卐.

Churchill was a 'badass' and had possibly more innocent blood on his 
hands than anybody else, dead or alive.

One reason was, that Churchill was allegedly the 'personal trainer' of a 
bank-robber from Georgia, later known as 'Stalin'.

His niece was actually the girl-friend of Hitler (another bad-ass of 
epic proportions).

If Churchill had also ties to Hitler, this would add the crimes of 
Stalin (roughly 50 million death) to the death caused by Hitler (a 
little less, but in the same range) to his personal deeds.

In total Churchill could be responsible for more casulties than anybody 
else in human history.

Therefore, that guy in Kiev should not compare himself to Churchill.

...


TH

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#595219

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2022-11-12 01:32 -0500
Message-ID<tkneml$149he$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595092
On 11/10/2022 2:34 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 09.11.2022 um 15:24 schrieb Volney:
>> On 11/8/2022 1:52 PM, Everly Segreti wrote:
>>> Volney wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/8/2022 1:19 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> The meant laws are not the laws of physics, but the laws of nature.
>>>>
>>>> You're trying to pick a nit that's not even there. Physics models 
>>>> nature
>>>> so the laws of physics are modeling what nature is doing.
>>>> Regardless, the existence of a plane wave in nature does not conflict
>>>> with its continued existence.
>>>
>>> come on, morony, thomas is correct. What "country" is that, where an 
>>> ugly
>>> *ex-boxer* is the mayor of its capital city, Kiev.
>>
>> Well, Minnesota had an ex-wrestler as its governor. And California had
>> actors. One of which became US president who helped in the downfall of
>> the USSR, much to the dismay of 卐Владольф Путлер卐.
> 
> Actually I liked this ex-wrestler (Jessy Ventura, if I recall that right).
> California had Reagan and Schwarzenegger and I only liked them as actors.
>>> Come on, a gay comedian,
>>
>> Who cares. More importantly, he is the Winston Churchill of Ukraine
>> right when Ukraine needed a Winston Churchill. Again, to the dismay of
>> 卐Путлер卐.
> 
> Churchill was a 'badass' and had possibly more innocent blood on his 
> hands than anybody else, dead or alive.
> 
> One reason was, that Churchill was allegedly the 'personal trainer' of a 
> bank-robber from Georgia, later known as 'Stalin'.

Oh good grief. Who "alleges" that Churchill was the "personal trainer" 
of Stalin (whatever that means)? Or did you just make it up?

And even if he was, how does Stalin's crimes become blood on Churchill's 
hands?

> His niece was actually the girl-friend of Hitler (another bad-ass of 
> epic proportions).

More made-up fantasy? The only believable part of that is that Hitler 
was a bad-ass.
> 
> If Churchill had also ties to Hitler, this would add the crimes of 
> Stalin (roughly 50 million death) to the death caused by Hitler (a 
> little less, but in the same range) to his personal deeds.

And again, even if true, how would his niece's actions place even more 
blood on Churchill's hands? (Only reference to his niece I found was one 
who was the wife of another prime minister)
> 
> In total Churchill could be responsible for more casulties than anybody 
> else in human history.

That is really stupid, even for you.
> 
> Therefore, that guy in Kiev should not compare himself to Churchill.

I made the comparison, but I suspect I'm hardly alone.

I believe Churchill was often a jerk, but his famous "...We shall fight 
on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in 
the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall 
never surrender,..." speech was what was needed for morale when things 
looked especially bad for Britain, just as Zelenski's words and actions 
at the start of the invasion was needed by Ukraine, at a time when 
everyone expected Ukraine to last about a week.

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#595226

FromStefano Martelli <ftor@asanlnit.ir>
Date2022-11-12 09:06 +0000
Message-ID<tknnng$14vsh$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#595219
Volney wrote:

> On 11/10/2022 2:34 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Therefore, that guy in Kiev should not compare himself to Churchill.
> 
> I made the comparison, but I suspect I'm hardly alone.
> I believe Churchill was often a jerk, but his famous "...We shall fight
> on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in
> the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall

idiot, Doctor Stalin was a wonderful human being. What europe and the world 
needs today, is a Doctor Stalin.

here is two ugly short gypsie beggar khazars, which are "best_friends", in 
robbery. If he is short, imagine how short the ugly bitch is.

khazar zelensky's best friend
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/%76%69%64%65%6f/8rZKrgH9F7nK/

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