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  [SR] Full of little traps Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-06 11:33 +0000
    Re: [SR] Full of little traps nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-05-06 21:18 +0200
      Re: [SR] Full of little traps Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-06 23:57 +0000
    Re: [SR] Full of little traps Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 21:21 -0700
    Re: [SR] Full of little traps Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 21:34 -0700
      Re: [SR] Full of little traps Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-07 07:08 +0200
        Re: [SR] Full of little traps Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 22:13 -0700
        Re: [SR] Full of little traps whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-07 00:20 -0500
          Re: [SR] Full of little traps Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 22:35 -0700
          Re: [SR] Full of little traps Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-06 23:20 -0700
            Re: [SR] Full of little traps Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-07 08:39 +0200
              Re: [SR] Full of little traps Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-07 00:00 -0700
                Re: [SR] Full of little traps Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-07 11:30 +0000
            Re: [SR] Full of little traps whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-07 10:42 -0500
              Re: [SR] Full of little traps "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-05-07 08:47 -0700
                Re: [SR] Full of little traps whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-07 21:47 -0500
                  Re: [SR] Full of little traps Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-07 21:29 -0700
              Re: [SR] Full of little traps Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-07 09:03 -0700
                Re: [SR] Full of little traps Ricardo Jimenez <rickyjim@earthlink.net> - 2022-05-07 16:25 -0400
      Re: [SR] Full of little traps Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-05-07 14:04 +0000

#584844 — [SR] Full of little traps

It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he 
is talking about.

This is of course often the case; not all scientists are bandits, thugs, 
or hustlers.

But it can happen that many, on certain points, and this perhaps the 
majority, we do not clearly understand what we are talking about.

The theory of relativity itself has this drawback.

And that is why, on certain specific points, the whole scientific class 
falls into crude traps that could have been avoided if more attention had 
been paid.

Let us give two examples, one in a uniform reference frame, the other 
uniformly accelerated.

We did not pay attention to the fact that the uniform high speed 
displacement did not lead (as it is believed) to a distance contraction of 
the type D'=D.sqrt(1-v²/c²)(relativistic theological blunder) but to 
something a little more precise, of type D'=D.sqrt[(1+v/c)/(1-v/c)] in 
anterior vision and D'=D. sqrt[(1-v/c)/(1+v/c)] in retro-vision.

We did not pay attention either that in accelerated media, if the improper 
time is correctly given To=(x/c).sqrt(1+2c²/ax), the proper time of the 
traveler (or of the particle does not integrate in the proposed 
mathematical way. The blunder comes from constantly integrating the upper 
limit of each slice, and not its central part, and this leads to an 
improper calculation by excess of time To, and therefore, in response, an 
improper time fault Tr.

We will therefore find a smaller Tr.

I never stopped repeating it, SR is a mathematically very simple theory, 
and all high school students have all the mathematical tools to discuss 
it.

But it is full of little traps.

Thank you for your attention.

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#584853

Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:

> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he
> is talking about.

Certainly, and even more so to non-scientists trying to barge in.

You have a lot of work to do,

Jan

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#584859

Le 06/05/2022 à 21:18, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) a écrit :
> Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> wrote:
> 
>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he
>> is talking about.
> 
> Certainly, and even more so to non-scientists trying to barge in.
> 
> You have a lot of work to do,
> 
> Jan

LOL.

R.H. 

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#584866

On Friday, May 6, 2022 at 4:33:24 AM UTC-7, Richard Hachel wrote:

> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he 
> is talking about. 

Which is prove-positive that you are far from being a scientist... If you do not understand then you have no business talking about it... and yet, here you are!

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#584868

On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he 
> is talking about. 

Who has told you such a nonsense?

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#584869

Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he
>> is talking about.
>
> Who has told you such a nonsense?
>

Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
talking about.

Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless.

That's what make people sick in the long run.

So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
require from scientists to know what they do.


TH

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#584870

On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:08:54 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> > On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he 
> >> is talking about. 
> > 
> > Who has told you such a nonsense? 
> >
> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> talking about. 

The hope is the mother of the stupidity,
Talking is a matter of neural networks, noone
clearly understands how it works and noone 
ever will.

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#584872

On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the 
>>> things he
>>> is talking about.
>>
>> Who has told you such a nonsense?
>>
> 
> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> talking about.
> 
> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless.
> 
> That's what make people sick in the long run.
> 
> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
> require from scientists to know what they do.
> 
> 
> TH

So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in
order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen.

Dictionary wars, what's the point?

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#584874

On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> > Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> >> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the 
> >>> things he 
> >>> is talking about. 
> >> 
> >> Who has told you such a nonsense? 
> >> 
> > 
> > Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> > talking about. 
> > 
> > Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless. 
> > 
> > That's what make people sick in the long run. 
> > 
> > So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
> > require from scientists to know what they do. 
> > 
> > 
> > TH
> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in 
> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen. 
> 
> Dictionary wars, what's the point?

Same as always, composing an optimal (with no clear
criteria of optimum) sequence of words.

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#584876

On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> > Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> >> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the 
> >>> things he 
> >>> is talking about. 
> >> 
> >> Who has told you such a nonsense? 
> >> 
> > 
> > Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> > talking about. 
> > 
> > Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless. 
> > 
> > That's what make people sick in the long run. 
> > 
> > So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
> > require from scientists to know what they do. 
> > 
> > 
> > TH
> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in 
> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen. 

He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists
unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say.
What is always easy, even if usually stupid.

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#584877

Am 07.05.2022 um 08:20 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the
>>>>> things he
>>>>> is talking about.
>>>>
>>>> Who has told you such a nonsense?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are
>>> talking about.
>>>
>>> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless.
>>>
>>> That's what make people sick in the long run.
>>>
>>> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence
>>> require from scientists to know what they do.
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in
>> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen.
>
> He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists
> unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say.
> What is always easy, even if usually stupid.
>

Actually not.

But scientist should understand what they do, because otherwise they 
would behave like druids from the stoneage.

TH

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#584881

On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 08:39:37 UTC+2, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am 07.05.2022 um 08:20 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> > On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> >>> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> >>>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >>>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the 
> >>>>> things he 
> >>>>> is talking about. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Who has told you such a nonsense? 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> >>> talking about. 
> >>> 
> >>> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless. 
> >>> 
> >>> That's what make people sick in the long run. 
> >>> 
> >>> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
> >>> require from scientists to know what they do. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> TH 
> >> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in 
> >> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen. 
> > 
> > He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists 
> > unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say. 
> > What is always easy, even if usually stupid. 
> >
> Actually not. 
> 
> But scientist should understand what they do, 

Priests should be honest and poor. Communists
should be humble servants of working people...
But they are not.

> because otherwise they 
> would behave like druids from the stoneage. 

Well, yes. There are many similiarities.

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#584886

Le 07/05/2022 à 09:00, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
>> 
>> But scientist should understand what they do, 

 That's what I say.

> Priests should be honest and poor. Communists
> should be humble servants of working people...
> But they are not.

You are right. 

Wonderful response.

R.H.

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#584898

On 5/7/2022 1:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the
>>>>> things he
>>>>> is talking about.
>>>>
>>>> Who has told you such a nonsense?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are
>>> talking about.
>>>
>>> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless.
>>>
>>> That's what make people sick in the long run.
>>>
>>> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence
>>> require from scientists to know what they do.
>>>
>>>
>>> TH
>> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in
>> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen.
> 
> He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists
> unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say.
> What is always easy, even if usually stupid.

People like you act out because there's something seriously wrong with
them, usually involving depression and insecurity. Since there is no
actual advantage or advance to be gained by attempting to have any sort
of discussion with you, this is the end of that. Get well and have a
real life.

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#584899

On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:42:39 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 1:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: 
> > On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> >>> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> >>>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >>>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the 
> >>>>> things he 
> >>>>> is talking about. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Who has told you such a nonsense? 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> >>> talking about. 
> >>> 
> >>> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless. 
> >>> 
> >>> That's what make people sick in the long run. 
> >>> 
> >>> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
> >>> require from scientists to know what they do. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> TH 
> >> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in 
> >> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen. 
> > 
> > He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists 
> > unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say. 
> > What is always easy, even if usually stupid.
> People like you act out because there's something seriously wrong with 
> them, usually involving depression and insecurity. Since there is no 
> actual advantage or advance to be gained by attempting to have any sort 
> of discussion with you, this is the end of that. Get well and have a 
> real life.
He's too far gone, he will never get well. 

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#584923

On 5/7/2022 10:47 AM, Dono. wrote:
> On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:42:39 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
>> On 5/7/2022 1:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>> On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
>>>> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
>>>>>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>>>>>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the
>>>>>>> things he
>>>>>>> is talking about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who has told you such a nonsense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are
>>>>> talking about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's what make people sick in the long run.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence
>>>>> require from scientists to know what they do.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TH
>>>> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in
>>>> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen.
>>>
>>> He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists
>>> unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say.
>>> What is always easy, even if usually stupid.

>> People like you act out because there's something seriously wrong with
>> them, usually involving depression and insecurity. Since there is no
>> actual advantage or advance to be gained by attempting to have any sort
>> of discussion with you, this is the end of that. Get well and have a
>> real life.

> He's too far gone, he will never get well.

Agreeing that's true, sadly he's not alone, Usenet is crawling with
them.

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#584925

On Sunday, 8 May 2022 at 04:47:15 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 10:47 AM, Dono. wrote: 
> > On Saturday, May 7, 2022 at 8:42:39 AM UTC-7, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 5/7/2022 1:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: 
> >>> On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote: 
> >>>> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> >>>>> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> >>>>>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >>>>>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the 
> >>>>>>> things he 
> >>>>>>> is talking about. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Who has told you such a nonsense? 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> >>>>> talking about. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> That's what make people sick in the long run. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
> >>>>> require from scientists to know what they do. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> TH 
> >>>> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in 
> >>>> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen. 
> >>> 
> >>> He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists 
> >>> unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say. 
> >>> What is always easy, even if usually stupid. 
> 
> >> People like you act out because there's something seriously wrong with 
> >> them, usually involving depression and insecurity. Since there is no 
> >> actual advantage or advance to be gained by attempting to have any sort 
> >> of discussion with you, this is the end of that. Get well and have a 
> >> real life. 
> 
> > He's too far gone, he will never get well.
> Agreeing that's true, sadly he's not alone, Usenet is crawling with 
> them.

So, nature is external to what? Stop fucking, poor
stinker. As you're unable to answer some simple 
questions  about some terms you're using you 
announce  that the one who asked you is a psycho. 
That's all. Nothing, of course, unexpected from
a relativistic cultist.

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#584901

On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 17:42:39 UTC+2, whodat wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 1:20 AM, Maciej Wozniak wrote: 
> > On Saturday, 7 May 2022 at 07:20:45 UTC+2, whodat wrote: 
> >> On 5/7/2022 12:08 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: 
> >>> Am 07.05.2022 um 06:34 schrieb Maciej Wozniak: 
> >>>> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> >>>>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the 
> >>>>> things he 
> >>>>> is talking about. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Who has told you such a nonsense? 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Well, people HOPE, that AT LEAST scientists do understand, what they are 
> >>> talking about. 
> >>> 
> >>> Random idiots don't, but constantly talk, nevertheless. 
> >>> 
> >>> That's what make people sick in the long run. 
> >>> 
> >>> So they have a strong wish to be guided through the darkness, hence 
> >>> require from scientists to know what they do. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> TH 
> >> So now you all are redefining "scientist" demanding they be competent in 
> >> order to qualify under your definition, as though mistakes never happen. 
> > 
> > He's, like you, a victim of the ideology making the scientists 
> > unfailiable demigods - to prevent undermining what they say. 
> > What is always easy, even if usually stupid.
> People like you act out because there's something seriously wrong with 
> them, usually involving depression and insecurity. 


And people like you act out because they're trained
to bark, spit and slander  at the enemies of their 
insane ideology.
They're too dumb for anything else, anyway.


> Since there is no 
> actual advantage or advance to be gained by attempting to have any sort 
> of discussion with you, 

So, nature is external to what? Stop fucking, poor 
stinker. You simply have nothing to say, so you run. 
That's all.

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#584914

On Sat, 7 May 2022 09:03:42 -0700 (PDT), Maciej Wozniak
<maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

>So, nature is external to what? Stop fucking, poor 
>stinker. You simply have nothing to say, so you run. 
>That's all.

There are three kinds of people who post Internet on discussion
groups.

1.  Those who hopw to learn something from others.  I consider myself
of that kind.
2.  Those who try to help others solve problems.
3.  Those who what to try to increase their egos by tearing down other
people.

Why are you here?

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#584891

Le 07/05/2022 à 06:34, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
> On Friday, 6 May 2022 at 13:33:24 UTC+2, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> It is always important for a scientist to clearly understand the things he 
>> is talking about. 
> 
> Who has told you such a nonsense?

I dunno.

One day, I thought that.

R.H. 

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