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| Started by | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2021-11-26 09:40 -0800 |
| Last post | 2021-11-30 16:17 +0000 |
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Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 09:40 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 12:40 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 20:54 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 14:04 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 22:47 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 23:39 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 14:48 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 14:54 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Python <python@python.invalid> - 2021-11-27 00:04 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-30 02:23 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-28 20:59 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 13:10 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Brain Hubbs <er@cvbs.nc> - 2021-11-26 21:33 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 13:25 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 21:38 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 14:28 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2021-11-26 14:45 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 06:07 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 14:17 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2021-11-27 16:03 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-27 10:33 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2021-11-27 16:59 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 09:55 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-28 20:35 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 07:39 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 09:51 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 18:16 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 10:23 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 18:28 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 10:38 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Nabor Nave <er@cwe.re> - 2021-11-27 18:49 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 19:05 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 12:22 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 20:44 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 12:58 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2021-11-27 22:05 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 21:22 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 14:13 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 14:33 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 14:42 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 23:27 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 16:21 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 17:04 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 02:05 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 19:59 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 20:13 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 20:30 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 22:33 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 13:29 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2021-11-28 15:12 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 09:49 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 08:35 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 20:13 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 02:05 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 22:40 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 15:02 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 16:07 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 00:16 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-27 16:24 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 02:05 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-28 08:07 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 16:32 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-28 08:39 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2021-11-28 18:14 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 20:26 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-28 15:08 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-28 17:18 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-28 18:15 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 03:27 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-11-28 21:27 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-11-28 07:53 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-27 23:00 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 13:29 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 07:55 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-28 09:52 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 07:57 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-11-29 07:01 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 14:21 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-11-30 07:07 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 13:15 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 05:51 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-01 09:03 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-02 07:32 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 22:56 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-02 09:20 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 16:03 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-09 08:57 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-09 15:56 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-10 06:37 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-10 02:00 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 14:11 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-10 21:49 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 21:03 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-10 21:09 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-11 09:23 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-11 20:40 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-11 16:21 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-13 08:04 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 14:01 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-13 16:50 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-14 07:53 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-14 12:47 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-15 08:37 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-15 10:03 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-15 15:37 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-16 06:49 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-16 15:54 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-17 08:13 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-17 11:32 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-18 07:14 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-17 22:34 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-12-17 23:50 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 14:06 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-20 07:50 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-19 23:00 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-20 03:20 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-20 13:32 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-21 08:10 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-21 08:38 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-21 09:51 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-12-21 07:31 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-24 09:34 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-24 15:09 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-25 08:26 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-26 15:22 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-27 21:39 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-27 16:11 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-28 07:59 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-28 02:27 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-29 07:17 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-29 08:47 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 03:50 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-28 14:19 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-29 07:00 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-29 05:23 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2021-12-29 19:04 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-29 12:06 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-30 08:12 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-30 05:24 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-30 14:40 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 11:46 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-30 08:23 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-30 12:49 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-28 13:45 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-24 13:01 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-24 13:34 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-25 08:15 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-25 13:02 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-25 21:04 +0100
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Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-27 16:28 -0500
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Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-28 13:45 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-28 10:57 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2021-12-28 18:19 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-29 02:45 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-29 07:23 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-29 08:19 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 03:26 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-30 08:27 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-30 14:51 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 03:22 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Mason Hess <cvb@bnma.ui> - 2021-12-29 11:51 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 11:34 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-17 18:03 -0800
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Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 17:20 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-12 23:36 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-13 22:05 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 19:50 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 20:31 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2021-12-14 11:41 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 13:15 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-14 10:40 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 08:13 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 17:44 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 17:57 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 18:00 +0000
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Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 08:51 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-12-15 15:35 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-12-17 05:25 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-12-17 16:21 +0100
Growing Earth theory (was Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-12-10 23:12 +0100
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Re: Growing Earth theory (was Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-11 09:10 +0100
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 22:47 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:19 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:52 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-01 12:14 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 09:42 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 10:57 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 19:22 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 12:20 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 21:00 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 16:41 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 18:17 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 20:07 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 20:47 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-02 01:11 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 22:22 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-03 00:26 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 22:15 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 22:35 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 08:29 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-29 23:59 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 08:57 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 20:13 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 07:27 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-30 10:45 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 16:17 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 13:59 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 22:21 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 15:57 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 00:13 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 16:26 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-30 22:51 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:18 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 13:40 +0000
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:18 -0800
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-28 20:29 -0500
Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 07:16 -0800
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-21 09:51 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <spsplq$rpu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #570036 |
On 12/21/2021 2:10 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 20.12.2021 um 14:32 schrieb Odd Bodkin: >> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > You said, that stone is somehow plastic, while common stone is not. > > If rocks would actually deform upon stress, than the Alps, for instance, > would look entirely different than they actually look like. REAL engineers (not you) who design bridges etc. take into account the elasticity of, for example, concrete (similar to rock), when designing bridges. They know the concrete will BEND a limited amount before breaking. REAL engineers learn of stress/strain curves of materials, and how to a certain point materials are elastic (deform under stress and return to before when stress is removed), plastic under larger stress (deform and DON'T return to before) and under even larger stress, break. For some reason I remember a time when my car broke down on a concrete bridge. While standing next to my car I could feel and see the bridge go up and down whenever a heavy truck passed at high speed. Heck, the mere act of being able to pass sound requires deformation. > > In GE the Alps were created below the surface of the ocean, hence are > covered with marine sediments and fossils (what they are) > > PT assumes, that the Alps were folded upwards, what is bunk. They folded upward from under the sea. The folds in the rock are OBVIOUS.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-21 07:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e325f6c6-91f0-44c3-b471-62ecf4fdc9c6n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #570049 |
On Tuesday, 21 December 2021 at 15:51:45 UTC+1, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 12/21/2021 2:10 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am 20.12.2021 um 14:32 schrieb Odd Bodkin: > >> Thomas Heger <ttt...@web.de> wrote: > > > You said, that stone is somehow plastic, while common stone is not. > > > > If rocks would actually deform upon stress, than the Alps, for instance, > > would look entirely different than they actually look like. > REAL engineers (not you) who design bridges etc. take into account the > elasticity of, for example, concrete (similar to rock), when designing > bridges. They know the concrete will BEND a limited amount before breaking. > > REAL engineers learn of stress/strain curves of materials, and how to a > certain point materials are elastic (deform under stress and return to > before when stress is removed), plastic under larger stress (deform and > DON'T return to before) and under even larger stress, break. And they use usable clocks instead ideological idiocies of your insane gurus.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-24 09:34 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <j2lf05F6cgsU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570049 |
Am 21.12.2021 um 15:51 schrieb Michael Moroney: > On 12/21/2021 2:10 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am 20.12.2021 um 14:32 schrieb Odd Bodkin: >>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > >> You said, that stone is somehow plastic, while common stone is not. >> >> If rocks would actually deform upon stress, than the Alps, for >> instance, would look entirely different than they actually look like. > > REAL engineers (not you) who design bridges etc. take into account the > elasticity of, for example, concrete (similar to rock), when designing > bridges. They know the concrete will BEND a limited amount before breaking. > > REAL engineers learn of stress/strain curves of materials, and how to a > certain point materials are elastic (deform under stress and return to > before when stress is removed), plastic under larger stress (deform and > DON'T return to before) and under even larger stress, break. Real engineers would not think, you meant serious, what you have written. Elastic is not the same as plastic. And concrete, for instance, has next to no plasticity once it has hardend. But concrete usually contains steel, which has a lot of ability to take tension. Now natural materials are not supposed to be composed of stone and steel filaments. Typical stones are granite or basalt for instance. You could cut a sheet of that, put it in a bending machine and see what happens. But as far as I can tell, you will never be able to bend a sheet of granite, that is will not crack. > For some reason I remember a time when my car broke down on a concrete > bridge. While standing next to my car I could feel and see the bridge > go up and down whenever a heavy truck passed at high speed. Vibrations are typical for elestic materials. And everybody agrees, that stones can vibrate. But not everybody agrees, that plastic deformation of (cold) stone is possible. > Heck, the mere act of being able to pass sound requires deformation. Sure, but sound requires elastic deformation, not plastic. >> >> In GE the Alps were created below the surface of the ocean, hence are >> covered with marine sediments and fossils (what they are) >> >> PT assumes, that the Alps were folded upwards, what is bunk. > > They folded upward from under the sea. The folds in the rock are OBVIOUS. ???? The Alps do not look even remotely like being folded at any time in the past. TH
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-24 15:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <sq4nr5$fvb$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #570302 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >>> >>> PT assumes, that the Alps were folded upwards, what is bunk. >> >> They folded upward from under the sea. The folds in the rock are OBVIOUS. > > ???? > > The Alps do not look even remotely like being folded at any time in the > past. Professional geologists completely disagree. Here’s a pop-sci article that calls out the Alps as perfect examples of fold formation mountains. https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/fold-mountain/ Your instincts are WAY off. > > > TH > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-25 08:26 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <j2nvdaFkvnaU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570311 |
Am 24.12.2021 um 16:09 schrieb Odd Bodkin: > Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > >>>> >>>> PT assumes, that the Alps were folded upwards, what is bunk. >>> >>> They folded upward from under the sea. The folds in the rock are OBVIOUS. >> >> ???? >> >> The Alps do not look even remotely like being folded at any time in the >> past. > > Professional geologists completely disagree. Here’s a pop-sci article that > calls out the Alps as perfect examples of fold formation mountains. > > https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/fold-mountain/ Quote. "Cape Fold Mountains Fold mountains are created where two or more of Earth’s tectonic plates are pushed together, often at regions known as convergent plate boundaries and continental collision zones. The Cape Fold Mountains of South Africa, above, were created as the ancient Falklands Plateau crashed into the African plate. " Apparently National Geographics tried to justify plate tectonics, because they present the same (stupid) arguments as plate tectonics usually does. But I think, that PT is bunk, because the plates do not push against each other. There are no 'convergent plates', because the plates are very heavy pieces of rock, which sit on a solid (the Earth mantle). Therefore the plates cannot move upon the underground (and have no reason to do that). These large formations are extremely massive and rigid objects, which kind of 'stick' to a relatively hard and sticky, but plastic material. To assume, they would float about the mantle is imho nonsense. TH
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-26 15:22 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <sqa1c5$qp$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #570349 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 24.12.2021 um 16:09 schrieb Odd Bodkin: >> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> PT assumes, that the Alps were folded upwards, what is bunk. >>>> >>>> They folded upward from under the sea. The folds in the rock are OBVIOUS. >>> >>> ???? >>> >>> The Alps do not look even remotely like being folded at any time in the >>> past. >> >> Professional geologists completely disagree. Here’s a pop-sci article that >> calls out the Alps as perfect examples of fold formation mountains. >> >> https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/fold-mountain/ > > Quote. > "Cape Fold Mountains > > Fold mountains are created where two or more of Earth’s tectonic plates > are pushed together, often at regions known as convergent plate > boundaries and continental collision zones. The Cape Fold Mountains of > South Africa, above, were created as the ancient Falklands Plateau > crashed into the African plate. " > > Apparently National Geographics tried to justify plate tectonics, > because they present the same (stupid) arguments as plate tectonics > usually does. > > But I think, that PT is bunk, because the plates do not push against > each other. > > There are no 'convergent plates', because the plates are very heavy > pieces of rock, which sit on a solid (the Earth mantle). > > Therefore the plates cannot move upon the underground (and have no > reason to do that). > > These large formations are extremely massive and rigid objects, which > kind of 'stick' to a relatively hard and sticky, but plastic material. And yet they show the folds. Something you say cannot happen. When a person looks at clear and unambiguous evidence that his idea is wrong, and then denies that the evidence shows what it does, that is called psychosis. > > To assume, they would float about the mantle is imho nonsense. > > TH > > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-27 21:39 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <j2umkbFtm6gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570433 |
Am 26.12.2021 um 16:22 schrieb Odd Bodkin: > Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >> Am 24.12.2021 um 16:09 schrieb Odd Bodkin: >>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> PT assumes, that the Alps were folded upwards, what is bunk. >>>>> >>>>> They folded upward from under the sea. The folds in the rock are OBVIOUS. >>>> >>>> ???? >>>> >>>> The Alps do not look even remotely like being folded at any time in the >>>> past. >>> >>> Professional geologists completely disagree. Here’s a pop-sci article that >>> calls out the Alps as perfect examples of fold formation mountains. >>> >>> https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/fold-mountain/ >> >> Quote. >> "Cape Fold Mountains >> >> Fold mountains are created where two or more of Earth’s tectonic plates >> are pushed together, often at regions known as convergent plate >> boundaries and continental collision zones. The Cape Fold Mountains of >> South Africa, above, were created as the ancient Falklands Plateau >> crashed into the African plate. " >> >> Apparently National Geographics tried to justify plate tectonics, >> because they present the same (stupid) arguments as plate tectonics >> usually does. >> >> But I think, that PT is bunk, because the plates do not push against >> each other. >> >> There are no 'convergent plates', because the plates are very heavy >> pieces of rock, which sit on a solid (the Earth mantle). >> >> Therefore the plates cannot move upon the underground (and have no >> reason to do that). >> >> These large formations are extremely massive and rigid objects, which >> kind of 'stick' to a relatively hard and sticky, but plastic material. > > And yet they show the folds. Something you say cannot happen. When a person > looks at clear and unambiguous evidence that his idea is wrong, and then > denies that the evidence shows what it does, that is called psychosis. > You show rock formations, which contain curved structures and claim, there was rock folded. I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend that. But we are not talking about the same subject. Tiles, for instance, cannot be bent, however careful you try. Plates of the Earth crust can be deformed under certain circumstances. Hilgenberg (the inventor of growing Earth theory) wrote in his book 'Vom wachsenden Erdball' that the increase of diameter of the Earth would lift plates out of the mantle in the middle and pushes them inside at the outer rim. The outer edges of the plates are then deformed and occasionally these parts may look, as if they were folded. So far so good. But the continental plates are very thick pieces of rock (up top 70 km). These continents are difficult to bend. If now the diameter of the Earth increases, the middle of the plate is lifted off the support from the mantle, while the outer edge is pushed inside. Since the continents are very heavy, they cannot simply float in the air, hence break apart in the middle. The borders of the plates are pushed into the mantle, hence a located below the sea-level of adjacent oceans. Once the plate breaks, the middle part drops down and the outer rim gets lifted out of the water - together with the sea-mounts, that had build in the meantime. TH There you can eventually find parts, which can look like folded rock >
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-27 16:11 -0500 |
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On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: > I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend that. And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of rock which can be bent. Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as the growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature may be high in many cases as well. As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. Since for subduction, the pressure is compressive, there could be substantial pressures, as rock is much stronger under compression than tension. It is not unreasonable for the rock to be in its plastic range long term. > > But we are not talking about the same subject. > > > Tiles, for instance, cannot be bent, however careful you try. > > Plates of the Earth crust can be deformed under certain circumstances. So right after stating rock can't be bent, you claim rock can be bent.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-28 07:59 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <j2vquqF5idbU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570591 |
Am 27.12.2021 um 22:11 schrieb Michael Moroney: > On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: > >> I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend that. > > And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of rock > which can be bent. > > Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as the > growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature may be > high in many cases as well. > > As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of > high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. There is actually high pressure on plates. The plates sit on the upper mantle and are pushed down by collosal weight of the plates. The weight also pushes these plates sideways against neighboring plates, because a thick part of the spherical crust has actually edges at an angle towards the edge on the other side. A plate is therefore kind of a wedge, which tries to enter a conical gap. This would cause high pressure sideways to neighboring plates. Both forces combined would 'lock' the plate into its position, what makes the plate stay, where it is. To move, the only possible degree of freedom is actually upwards. But because a plate is so heavy, the plate can ONLY move, if the Earth grows and pushes the plates upwards. To assume, the mantle would push a plate sideways would require to ignore both limitations mentioned above. ... TH
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-28 02:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sqee8f$1c2u$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #570627 |
On 12/28/2021 1:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 27.12.2021 um 22:11 schrieb Michael Moroney: >> On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> >>> I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend that. >> >> And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of rock >> which can be bent. >> >> Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as the >> growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature may be >> high in many cases as well. >> >> As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of >> high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. > > There is actually high pressure on plates. > > The plates sit on the upper mantle and are pushed down by collosal > weight of the plates. > > The weight also pushes these plates sideways against neighboring plates, Mantle convection currents do that as well. > because a thick part of the spherical crust has actually edges at an > angle towards the edge on the other side. Not sure what you mean here. > > A plate is therefore kind of a wedge, which tries to enter a conical gap. > > This would cause high pressure sideways to neighboring plates. And the elastic/plastic behavior of the rock will cause it to bend in response. Oceanic crust is denser and thinner (only a few km) so it tends to be forced down under lighter continental crust. > > Both forces combined would 'lock' the plate into its position, what > makes the plate stay, where it is. The only problem with that is the plates are known to move relative to each other. > > To move, the only possible degree of freedom is actually upwards. Only in a few cases. > > But because a plate is so heavy, the plate can ONLY move, if the Earth > grows and pushes the plates upwards. Or if a subducting plate forces another plate's edge upward (Andes, Alps) > > To assume, the mantle would push a plate sideways would require to > ignore both limitations mentioned above. And you ignore the convection currents in the mantle.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-29 07:17 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <j32crfFkemlU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570629 |
Am 28.12.2021 um 08:27 schrieb Michael Moroney: > On 12/28/2021 1:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am 27.12.2021 um 22:11 schrieb Michael Moroney: >>> On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> >>>> I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend >>>> that. >>> >>> And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of rock >>> which can be bent. >>> >>> Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as the >>> growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature may be >>> high in many cases as well. >>> >>> As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of >>> high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. >> >> There is actually high pressure on plates. >> >> The plates sit on the upper mantle and are pushed down by collosal >> weight of the plates. >> >> The weight also pushes these plates sideways against neighboring plates, > > Mantle convection currents do that as well. The upper mantle is solid, hence does not flow. Therefore it is illogic to assume convetion currents in the mantle. >> because a thick part of the spherical crust has actually edges at an >> angle towards the edge on the other side. > > Not sure what you mean here. Let's assume for simplicity, the Earth would be a ball of evenly distributed density. So it is like a bowling ball or similar. Now let's think about a layer we call 'crust'. This 'crust' is cut into a number of large pieces by a knife, which points perpendicular to the surface and towards the center. Now we lift off some of these pieces and find, that their edges are not parallel, but in an angle towards each other. That came, of course, because they were part of the spherical crust of a ball. Now we attatch springs to the center of the ball (after removing the inside) and hook them to the plates at a hook below the center of the surface area. These springs represent gravity and would pull the 'plates' towards the center. Now the plates push against each other along the outer rim of the plates. And because these plates build together the surface of a ball, they cannot move, because a high pressure is acting on their side. That causes friction, which hinders movement horizontally (besides of looking them into place because of their form). >> >> A plate is therefore kind of a wedge, which tries to enter a conical gap. >> >> This would cause high pressure sideways to neighboring plates. > > And the elastic/plastic behavior of the rock will cause it to bend in > response. Oceanic crust is denser and thinner (only a few km) so it > tends to be forced down under lighter continental crust. Oceanic crust is also much younger than continental crust. The oceans have an age in the range of roughly up to 300 million years, while continental crust is way older ( several billion years) >> Both forces combined would 'lock' the plate into its position, what >> makes the plate stay, where it is. > > The only problem with that is the plates are known to move relative to > each other. GE and PT agree on plate movement. The differenc is only, that PT assumes a constant size of the planet and GE assumes - obvbiously- growth. Therefore PT needs subduction, while GE doesn't. ... TH
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-29 08:47 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <sqh7ah$1rj2$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #570766 |
Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: > Am 28.12.2021 um 08:27 schrieb Michael Moroney: >> On 12/28/2021 1:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> Am 27.12.2021 um 22:11 schrieb Michael Moroney: >>>> On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend >>>>> that. >>>> >>>> And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of rock >>>> which can be bent. >>>> >>>> Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as the >>>> growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature may be >>>> high in many cases as well. >>>> >>>> As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of >>>> high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. >>> >>> There is actually high pressure on plates. >>> >>> The plates sit on the upper mantle and are pushed down by collosal >>> weight of the plates. >>> >>> The weight also pushes these plates sideways against neighboring plates, >> >> Mantle convection currents do that as well. > > > The upper mantle is solid, hence does not flow. Then you are oblivious to facts. The source of magma is the mantle, and magma that surfaces is visibly flowing lava in volcanic regions. The lithosphere-asthenosphere boundary in the upper mantle is at 1300C, where the asthenosphere is characterized by ductile flow. This has been directly accessed by deep drilling ventures in Iceland and Hawaii. There is ignorance and then there is persistent ignorance. > Therefore it is illogic > to assume convetion currents in the mantle. > > >>> because a thick part of the spherical crust has actually edges at an >>> angle towards the edge on the other side. >> >> Not sure what you mean here. > > Let's assume for simplicity, the Earth would be a ball of evenly > distributed density. > > So it is like a bowling ball or similar. > > Now let's think about a layer we call 'crust'. > > This 'crust' is cut into a number of large pieces by a knife, which > points perpendicular to the surface and towards the center. > > Now we lift off some of these pieces and find, that their edges are not > parallel, but in an angle towards each other. > > That came, of course, because they were part of the spherical crust of a > ball. > > Now we attatch springs to the center of the ball (after removing the > inside) and hook them to the plates at a hook below the center of the > surface area. > > These springs represent gravity and would pull the 'plates' towards the > center. > > Now the plates push against each other along the outer rim of the plates. > > And because these plates build together the surface of a ball, they > cannot move, because a high pressure is acting on their side. That > causes friction, which hinders movement horizontally (besides of looking > them into place because of their form). > >>> >>> A plate is therefore kind of a wedge, which tries to enter a conical gap. >>> >>> This would cause high pressure sideways to neighboring plates. >> >> And the elastic/plastic behavior of the rock will cause it to bend in >> response. Oceanic crust is denser and thinner (only a few km) so it >> tends to be forced down under lighter continental crust. > > Oceanic crust is also much younger than continental crust. > > The oceans have an age in the range of roughly up to 300 million years, > while continental crust is way older ( several billion years) > >>> Both forces combined would 'lock' the plate into its position, what >>> makes the plate stay, where it is. >> >> The only problem with that is the plates are known to move relative to >> each other. > > > GE and PT agree on plate movement. The differenc is only, that PT > assumes a constant size of the planet and GE assumes - obvbiously- growth. > > Therefore PT needs subduction, while GE doesn't. > > > ... > > > TH > -- Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2021-12-29 03:50 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sqh7gt$1tvh$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #570766 |
On 12/29/2021 1:17 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Am 28.12.2021 um 08:27 schrieb Michael Moroney: >> On 12/28/2021 1:59 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> Am 27.12.2021 um 22:11 schrieb Michael Moroney: >>>> On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>> >>>>> I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend >>>>> that. >>>> >>>> And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of >>>> rock >>>> which can be bent. >>>> >>>> Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as >>>> the >>>> growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature >>>> may be >>>> high in many cases as well. >>>> >>>> As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of >>>> high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. >>> >>> There is actually high pressure on plates. >>> >>> The plates sit on the upper mantle and are pushed down by collosal >>> weight of the plates. >>> >>> The weight also pushes these plates sideways against neighboring plates, >> >> Mantle convection currents do that as well. > > > The upper mantle is solid, hence does not flow. Therefore it is illogic > to assume convetion currents in the mantle. It is solid but well into the plastic range. It is extremely viscous and does have convection currents, although slow. > > >>> because a thick part of the spherical crust has actually edges at an >>> angle towards the edge on the other side. >> >> Not sure what you mean here. > > Let's assume for simplicity, the Earth would be a ball of evenly > distributed density. > > So it is like a bowling ball or similar. > > Now let's think about a layer we call 'crust'. > > This 'crust' is cut into a number of large pieces by a knife, which > points perpendicular to the surface and towards the center. > > Now we lift off some of these pieces and find, that their edges are not > parallel, but in an angle towards each other. > > That came, of course, because they were part of the spherical crust of a > ball. > > Now we attatch springs to the center of the ball (after removing the > inside) and hook them to the plates at a hook below the center of the > surface area. > > These springs represent gravity and would pull the 'plates' towards the > center. > > Now the plates push against each other along the outer rim of the plates. > > And because these plates build together the surface of a ball, they > cannot move, because a high pressure is acting on their side. That > causes friction, which hinders movement horizontally (besides of looking > them into place because of their form). Ignoring the flexibility of the outside, of course. > >>> >>> A plate is therefore kind of a wedge, which tries to enter a conical >>> gap. >>> >>> This would cause high pressure sideways to neighboring plates. >> >> And the elastic/plastic behavior of the rock will cause it to bend in >> response. Oceanic crust is denser and thinner (only a few km) so it >> tends to be forced down under lighter continental crust. > > Oceanic crust is also much younger than continental crust. Because when it collides with continental rock, it is subducted instead of continental rock plate being subducted. It is thinner and denser. So there is no very old ocean crust. New oceanic crust forms at mid ocean ridges. > > The oceans have an age in the range of roughly up to 300 million years, > while continental crust is way older ( several billion years) > >>> Both forces combined would 'lock' the plate into its position, what >>> makes the plate stay, where it is. >> >> The only problem with that is the plates are known to move relative to >> each other. > > > GE and PT agree on plate movement. The differenc is only, that PT > assumes a constant size of the planet and GE assumes - obvbiously- growth. > > Therefore PT needs subduction, while GE doesn't. And we know subduction happens.
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2021-12-28 14:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <e34a1ddb-6c1b-4a58-91ed-309eba86fad2n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #570627 |
El martes, 28 de diciembre de 2021 a las 3:59:41 UTC-3, Thomas Heger escribió: > Am 27.12.2021 um 22:11 schrieb Michael Moroney: > > On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: > > > >> I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend that. > > > > And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of rock > > which can be bent. > > > > Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as the > > growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature may be > > high in many cases as well. > > > > As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of > > high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. > There is actually high pressure on plates. > > The plates sit on the upper mantle and are pushed down by collosal > weight of the plates. > > The weight also pushes these plates sideways against neighboring plates, > because a thick part of the spherical crust has actually edges at an > angle towards the edge on the other side. > > A plate is therefore kind of a wedge, which tries to enter a conical gap. > > This would cause high pressure sideways to neighboring plates. > > Both forces combined would 'lock' the plate into its position, what > makes the plate stay, where it is. > > To move, the only possible degree of freedom is actually upwards. > > But because a plate is so heavy, the plate can ONLY move, if the Earth > grows and pushes the plates upwards. > > To assume, the mantle would push a plate sideways would require to > ignore both limitations mentioned above. > > > ... > > > TH Lot of nonsense around this thread. I live in Chile, where the South american plate moves westward against the Nazca plate. In the last decade we had three major earthquakes: the 2010 8.8 mw, the 2014 8.2 mw and the 2015 8.3 mw. I'm one of the authors of the paper "Data collection after the 2010 Maule earthquake in Chile", which you can read at https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Felipe-Rivera/publication/302921904_Data_collection_after_the_2010_Maule_earthquake_in_Chile/links/5b351f374585150d23e07518/Data-collection-after-the-2010-Maule-earthquake-in-Chile.pdf That 2010 earthquake mobilized a section of the underlying Nazca plate of approximately 540 km by 200 km. The maximum slip was located north of the epicenter near the town of Pichilemu (161 km southwest of Santiago), reaching values in the range 15–20 m. This is equivalent to a release of a seismic moment of 1.8 x 10^22 Nm.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-29 07:00 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <j32brtFk9efU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570737 |
Am 28.12.2021 um 23:19 schrieb Paparios: > El martes, 28 de diciembre de 2021 a las 3:59:41 UTC-3, Thomas Heger escribió: >> Am 27.12.2021 um 22:11 schrieb Michael Moroney: >>> On 12/27/2021 3:39 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> >>>> I wrote, that sheets of cristalline rock break, if you try to bend that. >>> >>> And I provided an example where a company sells very thin sheets of rock >>> which can be bent. >>> >>> Remember, for plate tectonics, the motion is slow (about the same as the >>> growth rate of fingernails) and the pressure is high. Temperature may be >>> high in many cases as well. >>> >>> As long as the rock is in the plastic range (even if barely) because of >>> high pressure, it will deform, even if slowly. >> There is actually high pressure on plates. >> >> The plates sit on the upper mantle and are pushed down by collosal >> weight of the plates. >> >> The weight also pushes these plates sideways against neighboring plates, >> because a thick part of the spherical crust has actually edges at an >> angle towards the edge on the other side. >> >> A plate is therefore kind of a wedge, which tries to enter a conical gap. >> >> This would cause high pressure sideways to neighboring plates. >> >> Both forces combined would 'lock' the plate into its position, what >> makes the plate stay, where it is. >> >> To move, the only possible degree of freedom is actually upwards. >> >> But because a plate is so heavy, the plate can ONLY move, if the Earth >> grows and pushes the plates upwards. >> >> To assume, the mantle would push a plate sideways would require to >> ignore both limitations mentioned above. >> >> >> ... >> >> >> TH > > Lot of nonsense around this thread. I live in Chile, where the South american plate moves westward against the Nazca plate. In the last decade we had three major earthquakes: the 2010 8.8 mw, the 2014 8.2 mw and the 2015 8.3 mw. I'm one of the authors of the paper "Data collection after the 2010 Maule earthquake in Chile", which you can read at https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Felipe-Rivera/publication/302921904_Data_collection_after_the_2010_Maule_earthquake_in_Chile/links/5b351f374585150d23e07518/Data-collection-after-the-2010-Maule-earthquake-in-Chile.pdf > > That 2010 earthquake mobilized a section of the underlying Nazca plate of approximately 540 km by 200 km. > The maximum slip was located north of the epicenter near the town of Pichilemu (161 km southwest of Santiago), reaching values in the range 15–20 m. This is equivalent to a release of a seismic moment of 1.8 x 10^22 Nm. > There is a deep underwater valley along the coast of Chile. PT assumes, this is caused by subduction. So, the rift is actually the plate seen, where it moves below the South American plate. But this assumption of PT cannot possibly be true for several reasons. One reason is, that since the mantle has higher denisity than the crust, the plates above the plate diving down should be lifted a bit. This is like pushing one carpet below another one: The carpet above gets lifted a little. But the high planes in the Andes are remarkable horizontal, which would violate the assumption, that currently a piece of Earth' crust is moving down into the inner Earth below. Also the rift is more or less symmetric, hence the 'diving' plate had to have a very steep descent (iow has a great curvature). A better explanation for the same formation would be, that this rift is actually caused by spreading, because the increase of radius made the crust break at the region and the sea-floor got weakend that way and was subsequently stretched. Earthquakes are inho caused by a different effect and are actually driven by the Sun and a magnetic connection between the Sun and the Birkeland currents, which in return couple to the ground, where that is conducting. This is the case in the underground near plate bounderies. The distortion of the Birkeland current is then transmitted by an effect similar to a transformer, which induces AC currents into the ground. These currents create an inverted piezo effect and that is what causes earthquakes (this is in short my 'theory' about earthquakes). TH
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2021-12-29 05:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f8da57a8-389e-453b-b489-32dfb1b089ebn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #570765 |
El miércoles, 29 de diciembre de 2021 a las 3:00:31 UTC-3, Thomas Heger escribió: > Am 28.12.2021 um 23:19 schrieb Paparios: > > > > Lot of nonsense around this thread. I live in Chile, where the South american plate moves westward against the Nazca plate. In the last decade we had three major earthquakes: the 2010 8.8 mw, the 2014 8.2 mw and the 2015 8.3 mw. I'm one of the authors of the paper "Data collection after the 2010 Maule earthquake in Chile", which you can read at https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Felipe-Rivera/publication/302921904_Data_collection_after_the_2010_Maule_earthquake_in_Chile/links/5b351f374585150d23e07518/Data-collection-after-the-2010-Maule-earthquake-in-Chile.pdf > > > > That 2010 earthquake mobilized a section of the underlying Nazca plate of approximately 540 km by 200 km. > > The maximum slip was located north of the epicenter near the town of Pichilemu (161 km southwest of Santiago), reaching values in the range 15–20 m. This is equivalent to a release of a seismic moment of 1.8 x 10^22 Nm. > > > There is a deep underwater valley along the coast of Chile. > > PT assumes, this is caused by subduction. So, the rift is actually the > plate seen, where it moves below the South American plate. > > But this assumption of PT cannot possibly be true for several reasons. > > One reason is, that since the mantle has higher denisity than the crust, > the plates above the plate diving down should be lifted a bit. > > This is like pushing one carpet below another one: The carpet above gets > lifted a little. > The fact that the Nazca plate is moving below the South american plate is quite evident as the Andes mountain prove. In the 2010 8.8mw earthquake, near the epicenter the ground elevated by about 3 meters. Some hundred million years ago, the Andes did not exist (the Atacama desert was seabed, as many sea creatures shells prove). The coastal range of mountains was present at that time (today that range is severely degraded due to millions of years of erosion. Aproximately 40 millions of year ago the Andes mountains started to emerge, a process we still are seeing. Again, near Santiago, at 2000 meters into the mountains you can see sea shells, proving that those hills were once under water. > But the high planes in the Andes are remarkable horizontal, which would > violate the assumption, that currently a piece of Earth' crust is moving > down into the inner Earth below. > That is complete nonsense.
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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> |
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| Date | 2021-12-29 19:04 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
| Message-ID | <j33mabFs3ovU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #570797 |
On 2021-12-29 13:23:43 +0000, Paparios said: > El miércoles, 29 de diciembre de 2021 a las 3:00:31 UTC-3, Thomas Heger > escribió: >> Am 28.12.2021 um 23:19 schrieb Paparios: >>> >>> Lot of nonsense around this thread. I live in Chile, where the South >>> american plate moves westward against the Nazca plate. In the last >>> decade we had three major earthquakes: the 2010 8.8 mw, the 2014 8.2 mw >>> and the 2015 8.3 mw. I'm one of the authors of the paper "Data >>> collection after the 2010 Maule earthquake in Chile", Very interesting, the paper. Which of the nine authors are you, as none of them seems to be called Paparios -- maybe Miguel Ríos? I don't live in Chile, but I've been there many times, and lectured at the Universidad de Talca in November 2010, when the damage from the earthquake was very visible, especially the university library. We stayed in Itahue, where my wife has family, somewhat nearer to Curicó than to Talca. We had stayed in Itahue before (even then the description at https://en.chile.pueblosamerica.com/i/itahue/ as "a beautiful tiny town in the State of Curico" was obviously written by someone who had never been there), around 1998, I think, and it was unrecognizable in 2010. Hardly any building was left standing, though one of the very few undamaged ones was the one where we were staying. There were three aftershocks of about 5.5–6.0 while we were there. I slept through two of them. Very impressive the story of Martina Maturana (any relationship with Humberto Maturana, who died a few months ago at the age of 92?). Not unique, in fact: a little girl saved many lives in the 2004 tsunami because she realized what it meant if the sea suddenly moved out a long way, and she managed for persuade many people to leave the beach immediately. >>> which you can read at >>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Felipe-Rivera/publication/302921904_Data_collection_after_the_2010_Maule_earthquake_in_Chile/links/5b351f374585150d23e07518/Data-collection-after-the-2010-Maule-earthquake-in-Chile.pdf> >>> >> > That 2010 earthquake mobilized a section of the underlying Nazca >>> plate of approximately 540 km by 200 km.> > The maximum slip was >>> located north of the epicenter near the town of Pichilemu (161 km >>> southwest of Santiago), reaching values in the range 15–20 m. This is >>> equivalent to a release of a seismic moment of 1.8 x 10^22 Nm.> > >> There is a deep underwater valley along the coast of Chile.>> PT >> assumes, this is caused by subduction. So, the rift is actually the> >> plate seen, where it moves below the South American plate.>> But this >> assumption of PT cannot possibly be true for several reasons.>> One >> reason is, that since the mantle has higher denisity than the crust,> >> the plates above the plate diving down should be lifted a bit.>> This >> is like pushing one carpet below another one: The carpet above gets> >> lifted a little.> > The fact that the Nazca plate is moving below the South american plate > is quite evident as the Andes mountain prove. In the 2010 8.8mw > earthquake, near the epicenter the ground elevated by about 3 meters. > Some hundred million years ago, the Andes did not exist (the Atacama > desert was seabed, as many sea creatures shells prove). The coastal > range of mountains was present at that time (today that range is > severely degraded due to millions of years of erosion. Aproximately 40 > millions of year ago the Andes mountains started to emerge, a process > we still are seeing. Again, near Santiago, at 2000 meters into the > mountains you can see sea shells, proving that those hills were once > under water. > >> But the high planes in the Andes are remarkable horizontal, which >> would> violate the assumption, that currently a piece of Earth' crust >> is moving> down into the inner Earth below.> > That is complete nonsense. Not only nonsense, but impossible to know what it might mean if true. If you fly over the Andes you don't see anything that could be described as remarkably horizontal. -- Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2021-12-29 12:06 -0800 |
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El miércoles, 29 de diciembre de 2021 a las 15:05:02 UTC-3, Athel Cornish-Bowden escribió: > On 2021-12-29 13:23:43 +0000, Paparios said: > > > El miércoles, 29 de diciembre de 2021 a las 3:00:31 UTC-3, Thomas Heger > > escribió: > >> Am 28.12.2021 um 23:19 schrieb Paparios: > >>> > >>> Lot of nonsense around this thread. I live in Chile, where the South > >>> american plate moves westward against the Nazca plate. In the last > >>> decade we had three major earthquakes: the 2010 8.8 mw, the 2014 8.2 mw > >>> and the 2015 8.3 mw. I'm one of the authors of the paper "Data > >>> collection after the 2010 Maule earthquake in Chile", > Very interesting, the paper. Which of the nine authors are you, as none > of them seems to be called Paparios -- maybe Miguel Ríos? > Exactly
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2021-12-30 08:12 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles |
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Am 29.12.2021 um 19:04 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden: > On 2021-12-29 13:23:43 +0000, Paparios said: > >> El miércoles, 29 de diciembre de 2021 a las 3:00:31 UTC-3, Thomas >> Heger escribió: >>> Am 28.12.2021 um 23:19 schrieb Paparios: >>>> >>>> Lot of nonsense around this thread. I live in Chile, where the South >>>> american plate moves westward against the Nazca plate. In the last >>>> decade we had three major earthquakes: the 2010 8.8 mw, the 2014 8.2 >>>> mw and the 2015 8.3 mw. I'm one of the authors of the paper "Data >>>> collection after the 2010 Maule earthquake in Chile", > > Very interesting, the paper. Which of the nine authors are you, as none > of them seems to be called Paparios -- maybe Miguel Ríos? > > I don't live in Chile, but I've been there many times, and lectured at > the Universidad de Talca in November 2010, when the damage from the > earthquake was very visible, especially the university library. We > stayed in Itahue, where my wife has family, somewhat nearer to Curicó > than to Talca. We had stayed in Itahue before (even then the description > at https://en.chile.pueblosamerica.com/i/itahue/ as "a beautiful tiny > town in the State of Curico" was obviously written by someone who had > never been there), around 1998, I think, and it was unrecognizable in > 2010. Hardly any building was left standing, though one of the very few > undamaged ones was the one where we were staying. There were three > aftershocks of about 5.5–6.0 while we were there. I slept through two of > them. > > Very impressive the story of Martina Maturana (any relationship with > Humberto Maturana, who died a few months ago at the age of 92?). Not > unique, in fact: a little girl saved many lives in the 2004 tsunami > because she realized what it meant if the sea suddenly moved out a long > way, and she managed for persuade many people to leave the beach > immediately. > >>>> which you can read at >>>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Felipe-Rivera/publication/302921904_Data_collection_after_the_2010_Maule_earthquake_in_Chile/links/5b351f374585150d23e07518/Data-collection-after-the-2010-Maule-earthquake-in-Chile.pdf> >>>> >> > That 2010 earthquake mobilized a section of the underlying >>>> Nazca plate of approximately 540 km by 200 km.> > The maximum slip >>>> was located north of the epicenter near the town of Pichilemu (161 >>>> km southwest of Santiago), reaching values in the range 15–20 m. >>>> This is equivalent to a release of a seismic moment of 1.8 x 10^22 >>>> Nm.> > >>> There is a deep underwater valley along the coast of Chile.>> PT >>> assumes, this is caused by subduction. So, the rift is actually the> >>> plate seen, where it moves below the South American plate.>> But this >>> assumption of PT cannot possibly be true for several reasons.>> One >>> reason is, that since the mantle has higher denisity than the crust,> >>> the plates above the plate diving down should be lifted a bit.>> This >>> is like pushing one carpet below another one: The carpet above gets> >>> lifted a little.> >> The fact that the Nazca plate is moving below the South american plate >> is quite evident as the Andes mountain prove. In the 2010 8.8mw >> earthquake, near the epicenter the ground elevated by about 3 meters. >> Some hundred million years ago, the Andes did not exist (the Atacama >> desert was seabed, as many sea creatures shells prove). The coastal >> range of mountains was present at that time (today that range is >> severely degraded due to millions of years of erosion. Aproximately 40 >> millions of year ago the Andes mountains started to emerge, a process >> we still are seeing. Again, near Santiago, at 2000 meters into the >> mountains you can see sea shells, proving that those hills were once >> under water. >> >>> But the high planes in the Andes are remarkable horizontal, which >>> would> violate the assumption, that currently a piece of Earth' crust >>> is moving> down into the inner Earth below.> >> That is complete nonsense. > > Not only nonsense, but impossible to know what it might mean if true. If > you fly over the Andes you don't see anything that could be described as > remarkably horizontal. > > I meant the Atacama desert or the Nasca plane. The Atacama desert is a dried out inner ocean, which existed there, once the area was much lower in respect to the level of the Pacific. The Nasca plane is also former sea-floor, which petrified over millions of years. Now the age of the Atacama desert is roughly fifteen million years. This is known quite well, because the remains of gipsum found there can be dated back to such an age. Since the Atacama is filled with salt and surrounded with petrified Guano, the inner ocean must have been once at the same level as the Pacific (otherwise there would have been no salt). Then the altiplano was lifted out of the ocean and then the former sea-floor built (much later) the desert, we find there today. In all these millions of years the area stayed horizontal to a remarkable degree. This can be see and measured precisely, because the former coast line is still visible in the landscape. Now assume, that a part of the oceanic crust was pushed below this area, bent downwards and melted away in the mantle (as PT assumes) for - say- onehundred million years. Wouldn't that cause deformations to the landscape above???? TH
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2021-12-30 05:24 -0800 |
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El jueves, 30 de diciembre de 2021 a las 4:12:29 UTC-3, Thomas Heger escribió: > Am 29.12.2021 um 19:04 schrieb Athel Cornish-Bowden: > > > > > I meant the Atacama desert or the Nasca plane. > > The Atacama desert is a dried out inner ocean, which existed there, once > the area was much lower in respect to the level of the Pacific. > > The Nasca plane is also former sea-floor, which petrified over millions > of years. > That is absurd. The Nazca plate is an oceanic tectonic plate in the eastern Pacific Ocean basin off the west coast of South America. The ongoing subduction, along the Peru–Chile Trench, of the Nazca Plate under the South American Plate is largely responsible for the Andean orogeny. Nazca is a relatively young plate both in terms of the age of its rocks and its existence as an independent plate having been formed from the break-up of the Farallon Plate about 23 million years ago. The oldest rocks of the plate are about 50 million years old. > Now the age of the Atacama desert is roughly fifteen million years. This > is known quite well, because the remains of gipsum found there can be > dated back to such an age. > > Since the Atacama is filled with salt and surrounded with petrified > Guano, the inner ocean must have been once at the same level as the > Pacific (otherwise there would have been no salt). > > Then the altiplano was lifted out of the ocean and then the former > sea-floor built (much later) the desert, we find there today. > > In all these millions of years the area stayed horizontal to a > remarkable degree. > > This can be see and measured precisely, because the former coast line is > still visible in the landscape. > > Now assume, that a part of the oceanic crust was pushed below this area, > bent downwards and melted away in the mantle (as PT assumes) for - say- > onehundred million years. > > Wouldn't that cause deformations to the landscape above???? > For sure the deformations are right there....the Andes mountain chain. In the chilean part there are more than 105 volcanoes that have been active during the Holocene. The country's National Geology and Mining Service currently lists 90 active volcanoes. This is the proof of the process of the Nazca plate coming under the South american plate.
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