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Lee Smolin: Where Are the Einsteinians?

Started byPentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com>
First post2021-08-01 03:44 -0700
Last post2021-08-02 09:34 +0200
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  Lee Smolin: Where Are the Einsteinians? Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2021-08-01 03:44 -0700
    Re: Lee Smolin: Where Are the Einsteinians? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-08-01 22:09 -0700
    Re: Lee Smolin: Where Are the Einsteinians? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2021-08-02 09:34 +0200

#559007 — Lee Smolin: Where Are the Einsteinians?

FromPentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com>
Date2021-08-01 03:44 -0700
SubjectLee Smolin: Where Are the Einsteinians?
Message-ID<1f74e8a3-d3a8-4af1-9c3d-b56934d7080cn@googlegroups.com>
Lee Smolin: "Where are the Einsteinians? Special relativity was the result of 10 years of intellectual struggle, yet Einstein had convinced himself it was wrong within two years of publishing it." http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm

Within two years? What happened in 1907? VoilĂ :

John Norton: "Already in 1907, a mere two years after the completion of the special theory, he [Einstein] had concluded that the speed of light is variable in the presence of a gravitational field." http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/OntologyOUP_TimesNR.pdf

Does "variable in the presence of a gravitational field" entail "variable in gravitation-free space"? Of course. The equivalence principle implies just that.

Einsteinians are in panic nowadays, silently leave Einstein's sinking ship and promptly become experts in quantum mechanics, AI, climate science, COVID-19, anything. The ship is almost empty. Only Kip Thorne is still there - his money is too heavy:

http://c6.quickcachr.fotos.sapo.pt/i/Bb713bb56/15112108_dBrrH.png

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FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2021-08-01 22:09 -0700
Message-ID<16180237-d30e-42ed-a1ca-83e497b2fec4n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#559007
On Sunday, August 1, 2021 at 7:44:29 AM UTC-3, Pentcho Valev wrote:
> Lee Smolin: "Where are the Einsteinians? Special relativity was the result of 10 years of intellectual struggle, yet Einstein had convinced himself it was wrong within two years of publishing it." http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm 
> 
> Within two years? What happened in 1907? VoilĂ : 
> 
> John Norton: "Already in 1907, a mere two years after the completion of the special theory, he [Einstein] had concluded that the speed of light is variable in the presence of a gravitational field." http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/papers/OntologyOUP_TimesNR.pdf 
> 
> Does "variable in the presence of a gravitational field" entail "variable in gravitation-free space"? Of course. The equivalence principle implies just that. 
> 
> Einsteinians are in panic nowadays, silently leave Einstein's sinking ship and promptly become experts in quantum mechanics, AI, climate science, COVID-19, anything. The ship is almost empty. Only Kip Thorne is still there - his money is too heavy: 
> 
> http://c6.quickcachr.fotos.sapo.pt/i/Bb713bb56/15112108_dBrrH.png 
> 
> See more here: https://twitter.com/pentcho_valev 
> 
> Pentcho Valev

And the patches with dark matter and dark energy for computer models of GR? It seems that GR doesn't work even over the
4% that is assumed today to be the baryonic matter in the universe. It also seems that GR doesn't even work in our neighbourhood 
of "close" galaxies.

Maybe the universe isn't expanding at all and is really the Hoyle's universe.

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#559045

FromAthel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr>
Date2021-08-02 09:34 +0200
Message-ID<implgcFkjo3U1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#559007
On 2021-08-01 10:44:27 +0000, Pentcho Valev said:

> Lee Smolin: "Where are the Einsteinians? Special relativity was the 
> result of 10 years of intellectual struggle, yet Einstein had convinced 
> himself it was wrong within two years of publishing it." 
> http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm

A thoroughly dishonest link. You seem to have searched Smolin's article 
for a sentence you could quote to support the suggestion that his view 
of Einstein was equivalent to yours.


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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