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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2024-04-27 10:57 -0700 |
| Last post | 2024-09-06 18:05 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 469 — 41 participants |
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Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-27 10:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 14:50 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-04-27 13:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-04-28 09:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-28 21:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 05:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-29 08:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-04-29 09:46 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael A Terrell <mike.am.surreal@earthlink.nut> - 2024-04-29 12:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 05:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 07:49 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-04-30 13:26 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 20:03 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 18:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 22:41 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-01 13:58 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 17:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-02 16:10 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 05:35 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-03 09:28 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 00:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-03 11:11 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-05-03 15:08 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-04 12:18 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-05 12:51 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-03 23:07 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-04-30 13:26 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-04-30 20:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-30 19:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-01 11:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-05-01 18:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-01 21:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-05-02 05:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-02 10:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-03 11:03 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-03 09:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> - 2024-05-04 07:00 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-04 14:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-02 09:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Malte Runz <nobodys@busine.ss> - 2024-04-29 19:36 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-04-30 11:18 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 11:54 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-05-12 06:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Professor Love" <jesus@loves.you> - 2024-05-12 14:14 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-06 14:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-06-06 12:16 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-06 16:17 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 17:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:30 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 14:37 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-10 18:29 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 15:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-13 08:53 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 15:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-13 16:02 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 23:26 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-08-03 07:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-08-03 09:36 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 15:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-13 08:53 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 15:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-13 16:03 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-08-03 07:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-08-03 09:36 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 23:23 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 23:28 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 17:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:28 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 15:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-06 16:17 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 17:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:29 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 15:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-13 08:54 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 15:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 12:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-08-03 07:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-08-03 09:37 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-06-13 16:03 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 15:16 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 23:22 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-06-15 23:20 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-05-12 20:47 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 16:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-13 17:36 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-13 11:10 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-13 19:34 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> - 2024-05-13 03:20 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-13 06:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> - 2024-05-13 14:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-13 18:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-15 09:40 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-14 21:20 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-14 21:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 06:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-05-15 13:15 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 10:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-05-15 15:06 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 12:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-05-15 18:27 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 19:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-05-15 15:08 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 19:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-05-15 19:27 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-16 00:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-05-16 13:00 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-16 19:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-16 10:03 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-05-15 15:07 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-16 09:47 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-16 00:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-16 14:21 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-17 06:11 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-17 19:19 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-17 15:05 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-17 06:10 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-17 18:24 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-18 07:50 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-17 05:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-18 07:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> - 2024-05-18 17:20 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-16 09:14 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-15 14:54 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-15 18:02 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> - 2024-05-15 09:48 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 06:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 06:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-16 09:12 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-14 11:30 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2024-05-14 01:44 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-13 21:06 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2024-05-13 12:55 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Tim <cyfur12345@gmail.com> - 2024-05-25 09:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Jospeh Lőrincz Ujvári <erz@phoocqhr.hu> - 2024-05-25 15:11 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-05-15 19:02 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-29 13:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 11:59 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 01:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 18:18 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 06:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 21:43 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 08:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 22:57 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 10:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-01 01:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 15:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> - 2024-05-01 20:43 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-01 16:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-02 10:36 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-01 20:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 05:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-02 09:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 14:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-05 10:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-05 18:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Mike Colangelo <air@vatican_.con> - 2024-05-07 23:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-08 05:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Mike Colangelo <air@vatican_.con> - 2024-05-09 08:45 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-09 13:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-10 11:33 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2024-05-10 04:00 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-05-10 06:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 10:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 01:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-10 15:44 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 05:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-05-10 10:26 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-05-10 06:37 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 10:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 05:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-03 22:37 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-03 09:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-04 12:25 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-04 05:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-04 20:19 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-04 06:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Mighty Mouse <"squeak!"@thecheesefactory.com> - 2024-05-04 21:26 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-04 21:23 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-04 08:41 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-05 09:06 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-05 09:47 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-05 00:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-05 14:30 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-05 20:14 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-04 23:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-05 14:42 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-05 02:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-04 21:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-05 02:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-05 18:46 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-05 04:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> - 2024-05-02 21:50 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 17:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-05 11:14 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-05 18:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-06 10:11 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-06 05:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-05-06 13:57 -0500
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-08 12:00 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-02 10:34 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 05:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-03 22:42 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-03 09:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-03 09:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-03 15:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-06 08:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-06 12:05 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-06 12:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-07 00:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-06 22:02 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-07 06:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-07 23:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-08 05:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-08 20:42 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-08 21:12 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-09 06:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-09 23:50 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-09 10:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-10 11:08 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 01:05 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-10 15:51 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 05:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-10 22:37 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 09:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-10 21:38 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-10 22:48 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-11 09:57 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 09:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-11 10:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-11 11:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-11 14:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-11 21:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 00:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 20:31 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-12 17:17 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-13 04:52 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-14 16:29 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 16:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-14 16:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-14 18:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-15 06:38 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 05:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-15 21:39 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 10:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-15 19:29 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-05-15 15:09 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-16 04:25 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 19:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-16 04:22 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-16 14:25 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-16 19:17 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-16 18:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-18 07:54 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-18 05:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-19 08:33 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> - 2024-05-19 01:01 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-28 20:55 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-29 07:15 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-28 22:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-16 08:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-16 09:03 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-15 19:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-12 11:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-13 04:54 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-12 11:43 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 16:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-12 14:28 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 19:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-13 11:56 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-13 06:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-12 20:35 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-05-13 09:51 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-13 06:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-13 10:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-13 13:37 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-13 15:17 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. neus <neus@elk.Net.inv> - 2024-05-14 21:45 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-14 11:28 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-13 20:08 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-14 13:23 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-13 23:01 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-12 03:21 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. spaminator <spami@na.tur> - 2024-05-10 23:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-11 19:34 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-11 07:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-11 22:09 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. dolf <dolfboek@hotmail.com> - 2024-05-11 12:20 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 07:33 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-11 09:51 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 07:50 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-11 18:47 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 09:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-12 09:44 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 10:10 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 00:52 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Ted" <ted.street@gmail.com> - 2024-05-12 03:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 00:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 14:56 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 05:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-12 19:47 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 20:04 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 06:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 20:04 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-12 06:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-12 20:34 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-09 08:29 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-09 13:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-09 10:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-09 15:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-09 14:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-09 19:00 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-10 00:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 05:53 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-10 10:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-10 11:28 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-10 01:06 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-09 23:20 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-04 12:21 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-04 05:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-04 12:47 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-02 12:05 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-02 21:32 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-30 11:15 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 19:39 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 06:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 21:50 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 08:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-04-30 23:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 10:30 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-02 10:40 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 05:12 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2024-05-02 13:12 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 12:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Ref <ref@creon.earth> - 2024-04-30 13:27 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-01 08:29 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-01 08:26 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 18:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-01 08:51 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-01 22:28 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-30 20:52 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-04-30 15:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-01 22:22 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-01 20:43 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-30 18:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-30 18:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-04-30 19:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-01 05:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-01 19:38 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-01 21:42 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 05:16 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-06 10:46 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-06 05:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-06 20:10 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-06 09:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-07 10:23 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-01 10:57 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-01 20:48 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-05-01 14:39 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-01 14:20 -0700
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Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-01 13:55 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-01 11:43 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-01 22:35 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-01 20:47 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> - 2024-05-01 14:39 -0600
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-02 05:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-02 10:47 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-05-02 12:06 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-05-03 07:57 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. palsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 16:02 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-04-29 09:54 -0700
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Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Ren <privatemail@protonmail.com> - 2024-05-25 18:28 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-27 12:05 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-28 03:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-28 10:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-28 19:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-28 22:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-29 11:32 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-28 22:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-05-29 19:01 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-29 09:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-29 10:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-29 15:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-29 13:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-05-29 13:23 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-29 18:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Shayne Demihov <heyndin@eavn.ru> - 2024-05-29 21:03 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-29 18:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-29 17:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-30 00:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-30 09:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-30 13:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2024-05-30 18:57 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-30 17:14 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-30 12:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-30 17:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-30 22:16 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-31 09:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-05-31 12:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-05-31 16:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-06-01 08:22 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-08 12:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-06-08 12:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-09 17:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-11 00:04 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-11 06:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-11 11:22 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-12 05:15 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-12 10:25 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-12 17:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-12 21:33 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-12 21:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-13 08:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-13 11:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Mitch Sardelis Hang <siml@ssts.gr> - 2024-06-13 18:44 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-13 08:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-15 13:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2024-06-16 11:02 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-16 06:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-16 06:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-21 09:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-22 05:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-22 10:11 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-22 18:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-22 20:49 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-23 01:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-23 11:51 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-23 19:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Swen Karameros Ping <ron@eaa.gr> - 2024-06-24 11:52 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-22 22:09 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-23 01:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-21 09:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-22 05:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Edward McGuire <metaed@metaed.com> - 2024-06-24 16:12 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-24 15:27 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-12 10:27 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-04 11:47 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-06-05 10:27 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-04 23:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-04 23:10 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-05 21:58 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Randle Tuboltsev Chin <lnbton@ba.ru> - 2024-06-09 19:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-06-08 12:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-06-08 12:07 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-09 17:24 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-06-10 08:20 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-10 04:08 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-06-11 09:39 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-11 06:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> - 2024-06-11 05:19 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-11 10:02 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> - 2024-06-11 15:40 -0700
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-12 05:18 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-06-12 07:37 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-12 05:20 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-06-12 19:43 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-12 17:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-06-12 20:00 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-06-12 14:27 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> - 2024-06-13 00:55 +1000
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-06-12 19:11 +0200
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2024-06-12 17:49 -0400
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. cld <clowd@nimbus.net.inv> - 2024-05-30 20:27 +0100
Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-06 18:05 +0000
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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
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| Date | 2024-05-02 12:05 +0200 |
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On Thu, 2 May 2024, Maximus wrote: > Attila wrote: >> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus >> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >> >>> Attila wrote: >>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus >>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <l9c86kFt574U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus >>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <l9c3rjFsglgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus >>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>> <l9bnqmFqncgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus >>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>> <l9b1k0FniudU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level >>>>>>>>>>>>> of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is >>>>>>>>>>> evidence. >>>>>>>>>> Personal testimony is never evidence >>>>>>>>> any court would disagree with you >>>>>>>> It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind >>>>>>>> of evidence. >>>>>>> maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if twenty pp >>>>>>> say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more >>>>>>> weight than if just one person says it. >>>>>> I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful >>>>>> evidence. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The value of eyewitnesses: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNF9QNEQLA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bnnmWYI0lM >>>>>>> I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below) >>>>>> Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be >>>>>> reality. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> since there is no way >>>>>>>>>> to support it. >>>>>>>>>> As far as the "belief of billions" is >>>>>>>>>> concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there >>>>>>>>>> and they can't all be correct. >>>>>>>>> I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily >>>>>>>> How about Hindu? >>>>>>> about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over 50% of >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> religious faiths. >>>>>> So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid. >>>>> no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the >>>>> beliefs could be valid. >>>> Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince >>>> someone either way. >>>> >>>>>>>> There are hundreds of others. In fact >>>>>>>> there are many, many different Christian beliefs. >>>>>>> yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no evidence. for >>>>>>> example believers spend a lot of money in support of their faith. just >>>>>>> near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many >>>>>>> millions >>>>>>> of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. in fact >>>>>>> theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things as >>>>>>> being >>>>>>> no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs. >>>>>> Or not. There is exactly the same support either way. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> but at the >>>>>>> end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when one does >>>>>>> that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. xtians >>>>>>> believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved with >>>>>>> gold >>>>>>> in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will get 70 >>>>>>> virgins if they die as martyrs. >>>>>> Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers >>>>>> and painful punishment for non-believers. >>>>>> Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way >>>>>> for anything involving religion. That is why faith was >>>>>> invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who >>>>>> believe in such. >>>>> no, faith is belief without proof >>>> Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No >>>> facts. >>> no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a >>> conclusion. >> True, but usually evidence has some validity factor. >> >> Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the >> parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless. >> Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable >> and credible. >> > > unsupported evidence is not useless. all evidence is evaluated on it's > credibility. if there's a murder and I say I saw it happen, but no one else > did, that still needs to be investigated. > >>>> A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven >>>> to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion >>>> has this. >>> yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus >> Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated, >> verifiable and credible evidence that they were any >> different from any John Doe off any street. > > the impact they had on the world suggests otherwise > >> Simply >> accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a >> certain time and place proves nothing. >> >> There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence. >>>>> . the gospels for example are a basis >>>>> for Xtian faith >>>> Or for any other religion. None of them have anything >>>> beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true >>>> without any supporting evidence. >>> the gospels are evidence for the events they contain >> Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually >> validate them > > nevertheless they are still evidence for what they contain. your claim is > there's no evidence for religious belief, not that there's no proof. just as > sporting organizations, clubs, and participants are evidence for their sport, > ie. that the sport exists, Churches and Mosques and the believers (billions > of them) are evidence for their God. ie. that the God exists, or there > wouldn't be any Churches or Mosques. to me this seem obvious. No, that is incorrect. Churches and churchgoers are evidence that churches and organized religions exist. They are not evidence of everything that religion proclaims to be true, is true. >> Such validation requires unambiguous, >> unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence, >> >>> it's irrelevant >>> whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but some >>> things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very) >>> good authority on this. >> Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently >> verified historical figures. None of the mystical or >> supernatural claims are independently supported. > > yes > > >> >> -- >> >> > > >
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| From | Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> |
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| Date | 2024-05-02 21:32 +1000 |
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D wrote: > > > On Thu, 2 May 2024, Maximus wrote: > >> Attila wrote: >>> On Wed, 1 May 2024 01:01:01 +1000, Maximus >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <l9cfdfFu7b8U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Attila wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 22:57:53 +1000, Maximus >>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <l9c86kFt574U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:43:47 +1000, Maximus >>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <l9c3rjFsglgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 18:18:28 +1000, Maximus >>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>> <l9bnqmFqncgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 11:59:25 +1000, Maximus >>>>>>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>> <l9b1k0FniudU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is >>>>>>>>>>>> evidence. >>>>>>>>>>> Personal testimony is never evidence >>>>>>>>>> any court would disagree with you >>>>>>>>> It is well known that personal testimony is the poorest kind >>>>>>>>> of evidence. >>>>>>>> maybe, but still evidence. and it's relative to numbers. if >>>>>>>> twenty pp >>>>>>>> say they saw me run down a pedestrian in my car, that carries more >>>>>>>> weight than if just one person says it. >>>>>>> I agree - it is evidence. It just isn't very useful >>>>>>> evidence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The value of eyewitnesses: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubNF9QNEQLA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bnnmWYI0lM >>>>>>>> I'm not going to watch all those, sorry. (see comment below) >>>>>>> Any one will do. They all show what you see may not be >>>>>>> reality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> since there is no way >>>>>>>>>>> to support it. >>>>>>>>>>> As far as the "belief of billions" is >>>>>>>>>>> concerned there are hundreds of different beliefs in there >>>>>>>>>>> and they can't all be correct. >>>>>>>>>> I was referring to Xtianity and Islam primarily >>>>>>>>> How about Hindu? >>>>>>>> about 1.2 billion. but Christians and Islamists make up over >>>>>>>> 50% of all >>>>>>>> religious faiths. >>>>>>> So what? That doesn't mean any of them are valid. >>>>>> no, but your point is there's no evidence. I say it's evidence the >>>>>> beliefs could be valid. >>>>> Or not. There is no actual evidence that would convince >>>>> someone either way. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are hundreds of others. In fact >>>>>>>>> there are many, many different Christian beliefs. >>>>>>>> yes. I'm just saying it's not as you say that there's no >>>>>>>> evidence. for >>>>>>>> example believers spend a lot of money in support of their >>>>>>>> faith. just >>>>>>>> near where I am there's a 7th day Adventist complex worth many >>>>>>>> millions >>>>>>>> of dollars. also many intelligent ppl have religious beliefs. >>>>>>>> in fact >>>>>>>> theists vastly outnumber us. you can't just dismiss such things >>>>>>>> as being >>>>>>>> no evidence that there may be some validity to their beliefs. >>>>>>> Or not. There is exactly the same support either way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> but at the >>>>>>>> end of the day, I look at what the beliefs actually are. when >>>>>>>> one does >>>>>>>> that, it's not so difficult to dismiss them as nonsense. eg. >>>>>>>> xtians >>>>>>>> believe they will live in mansions, and walk on streets paved >>>>>>>> with gold >>>>>>>> in some god adoring afterlife, and muslims believe they will >>>>>>>> get 70 >>>>>>>> virgins if they die as martyrs. >>>>>>> Most religions have common factors - rewards for believers >>>>>>> and painful punishment for non-believers. >>>>>>> Basically there is no actual supporting evidence either way >>>>>>> for anything involving religion. That is why faith was >>>>>>> invented. Faith is belief without evidence - for those who >>>>>>> believe in such. >>>>>> no, faith is belief without proof >>>>> Proof - evidence - either way it is the same thing. No >>>>> facts. >>>> no. evidence is not proof. evidence is just something that supports a >>>> conclusion. >>> True, but usually evidence has some validity factor. >>> >>> Just what is evidence is usually left to the judgment of the >>> parties involved, which makes unsupported evidence useless. >>> Meaningful evidence is unambiguous, unrelated, verifiable >>> and credible. >>> >> >> unsupported evidence is not useless. all evidence is evaluated on >> it's credibility. if there's a murder and I say I saw it happen, but >> no one else did, that still needs to be investigated. >> >>>>> A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven >>>>> to be true or false through objective evidence. No religion >>>>> has this. >>>> yes they do. Muhammad is an historical person, as is Jesus >>> Absolutely correct but there is no unambiguous, unrelated, >>> verifiable and credible evidence that they were any >>> different from any John Doe off any street. >> >> the impact they had on the world suggests otherwise >> >>> Simply >>> accepting (or proving) someone with that name existed at a >>> certain time and place proves nothing. >>> >>> There is no independent and unrelated supporting evidence. >>>>>> . the gospels for example are a basis >>>>>> for Xtian faith >>>>> Or for any other religion. None of them have anything >>>>> beyond faith. Your gospels are accepted as being true >>>>> without any supporting evidence. >>>> the gospels are evidence for the events they contain >>> Your acceptance of them as evidence does nothing to actually >>> validate them >> >> nevertheless they are still evidence for what they contain. your >> claim is there's no evidence for religious belief, not that there's >> no proof. just as sporting organizations, clubs, and participants are >> evidence for their sport, ie. that the sport exists, Churches and >> Mosques and the believers (billions of them) are evidence for their >> God. ie. that the God exists, or there wouldn't be any Churches or >> Mosques. to me this seem obvious. > > No, that is incorrect. Churches and churchgoers are evidence that > churches and organized religions exist. They are not evidence of > everything that religion proclaims to be true, is true. I'm not saying they are > >>> Such validation requires unambiguous, >>> unrelated, verifiable and credible evidence, >>> >>>> it's irrelevant >>>> whether those events are true or not. they are still evidence. but >>>> some >>>> things in the gospels are known to be factual. Bart Ehrman is a (very) >>>> good authority on this. >>> Nothing beyond some physical locations and independently >>> verified historical figures. None of the mystical or >>> supernatural claims are independently supported. >> >> yes >> -- “Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23 "Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge" "Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle" "God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand. The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation." "The problem with theism is that it never remains within the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: > Attila wrote: >> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>> ...beliefs. >>> >>> >>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident >>> that there is a God. >>> >>> >>> >>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >> >> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >> without any supporting evidence for that existence. > > I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. That is not scientific proof. In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous standards of science. If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this position is. If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this group would be converted. Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. >> Atheists >> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >> the existence of anything. Including any god. >> >> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >> hero abilities. >> >> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >> it does exist. >> >> Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting >> and abhorrent. >> Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. >> >> Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims >> as I prefer to call them >> >> The most dangerous enemies the United States has: >> >> Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and >> supported by the Sluts and Pimps including >> Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, >> Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, >> Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, >> Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They >> have stepped over the line and are working against >> the country and what it stands for. >> >> Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. >> >> Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. >> Go WOKE. Go broke. >> CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs >> DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy >> End all social engineering programs. >> >> I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight >> face with what she has to say. >> >> Did the last sane person leaving California remember to >> turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten >> Apple? >> >> Abortion should be like any other medical procedure >> and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. >> It is the business of no one else. >> >> There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. >> She want's it. All else is irrelevant >> >> I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. >> >> Don't build a wall, build a kill zone. > > >
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| From | Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 19:39 +1000 |
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D wrote: > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: > >> Attila wrote: >>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>> >>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>> ...beliefs. >>>> >>>> >>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>> confident that there is a God. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>> >>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >> >> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. > > That is not scientific proof. I never said it was > In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves > god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous > standards of science. > > If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon > of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish > this position is. with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. > > If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this > group would be converted. > > Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with > science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. > > So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a > god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. > > That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never > convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just > light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. > >>> Atheists >>> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >>> the existence of anything. Including any god. >>> >>> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >>> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >>> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >>> hero abilities. >>> >>> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >>> it does exist. >>> >>> -- “Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23 "Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge" "Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle" "God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand. The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation." "The problem with theism is that it never remains within the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 06:24 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <53h13jpo4cmir7plsfe81g33u4blqo692u@4ax.com> |
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >D wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >> >>> Attila wrote: >>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>> >>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>> >>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >> >> That is not scientific proof. > >I never said it was > >> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >> standards of science. >> >> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >> this position is. > >with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is the number needed to validate a religion as being true? Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus contribute a third? > >> >> If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this >> group would be converted. >> >> Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with >> science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. >> >> So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a >> god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. >> >> That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never >> convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just >> light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. >> >>>> Atheists >>>> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >>>> the existence of anything. Including any god. >>>> >>>> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >>>> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >>>> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >>>> hero abilities. >>>> >>>> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >>>> it does exist. >>>> >>>> -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims as I prefer to call them The most dangerous enemies the United States has: Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and supported by the Sluts and Pimps including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line and are working against the country and what it stands for. Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. Go WOKE. Go broke. CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy End all social engineering programs. I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight face with what she has to say. Did the last sane person leaving California remember to turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten Apple? Abortion should be like any other medical procedure and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. It is the business of no one else. There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. She want's it. All else is irrelevant I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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| From | Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 21:50 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #653229 |
Attila wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus > <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id > <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: > >> D wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>> >>>> Attila wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>> That is not scientific proof. >> I never said it was >> >>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>> standards of science. >>> >>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>> this position is. >> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. > Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons > who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in > other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that > time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become > valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is > the number needed to validate a religion as being true? I don't believe any number can. > > Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims > are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus > contribute a third? no, could be it's just different beliefs about God -- “Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23 "Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge" "Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle" "God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand. The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation." "The problem with theism is that it never remains within the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 08:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <pio13jhj4gcr2btqtb488ro04q622f6q7v@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #653234 |
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >Attila wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >> >>> D wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>> That is not scientific proof. >>> I never said it was >>> >>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>> standards of science. >>>> >>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>> this position is. >>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? > >I don't believe any number can. Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other religions as if the numbers matter? > >> >> Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims >> are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus >> contribute a third? > > >no, could be it's just different beliefs about God The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can validate beliefs. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims as I prefer to call them The most dangerous enemies the United States has: Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and supported by the Sluts and Pimps including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line and are working against the country and what it stands for. Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. Go WOKE. Go broke. CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy End all social engineering programs. I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight face with what she has to say. Did the last sane person leaving California remember to turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten Apple? Abortion should be like any other medical procedure and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. It is the business of no one else. There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. She want's it. All else is irrelevant I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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| From | Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 23:01 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #653236 |
Attila wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus > <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id > <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: > >> Attila wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>> >>>> D wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>> I never said it was >>>> >>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>> standards of science. >>>>> >>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>>> this position is. >>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >> I don't believe any number can. > Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other > religions as if the numbers matter? because they do matter. they are evidence. I never said they validate the beliefs as truth > >>> Are you saying the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims >>> are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus >>> contribute a third? >> >> no, could be it's just different beliefs about God > The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can > validate beliefs. > > -- > -- “Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23 "Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge" "Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle" "God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand. The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation." "The problem with theism is that it never remains within the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 10:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <0tv13j5g2blv91m42vfgo5n0mmm9ba4cmq@4ax.com> |
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >Attila wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus >> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >> >>> Attila wrote: >>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> D wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>>> I never said it was >>>>> >>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>>> standards of science. >>>>>> >>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>>>> this position is. >>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >>> I don't believe any number can. >> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other >> religions as if the numbers matter? > >because they do matter. they are evidence. Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence - at best they are unsupported opinion. "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!" "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!" "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!" "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!" Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is needed. > I never said they validate >the beliefs as truth Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or factual. > >> >>>> Are you saying the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims >>>> are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus >>>> contribute a third? >>> >>> no, could be it's just different beliefs about God >> The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can >> validate beliefs. >> >> -- >> -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims as I prefer to call them The most dangerous enemies the United States has: Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and supported by the Sluts and Pimps including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line and are working against the country and what it stands for. Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. Go WOKE. Go broke. CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy End all social engineering programs. I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight face with what she has to say. Did the last sane person leaving California remember to turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten Apple? Abortion should be like any other medical procedure and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. It is the business of no one else. There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. She want's it. All else is irrelevant I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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| From | Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> |
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| Date | 2024-05-02 10:40 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <l9g5oqFgn0iU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #653241 |
Attila wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus > <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id > <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: > >> Attila wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Attila wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> D wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>>>> I never said it was >>>>>> >>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>>>> standards of science. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>>>>> this position is. >>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >>>> I don't believe any number can. >>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other >>> religions as if the numbers matter? >> because they do matter. they are evidence. > Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence > - at best they are unsupported opinion. > > "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!" > "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!" > "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!" > "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!" > > Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is > needed. yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God > >> I never said they validate >> the beliefs as truth > Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or > factual. yes > > -- > -- “Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23 "Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge" "Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle" "God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand. The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation." "The problem with theism is that it never remains within the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2024-05-02 05:12 -0400 |
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On Thu, 2 May 2024 10:40:53 +1000, Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id <l9g5oqFgn0iU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >Attila wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus >> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >> >>> Attila wrote: >>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus >>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> D wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>>>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>>>>> I never said it was >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>>>>> standards of science. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>>>>>> this position is. >>>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >>>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >>>>> I don't believe any number can. >>>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other >>>> religions as if the numbers matter? >>> because they do matter. they are evidence. >> Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence >> - at best they are unsupported opinion. >> >> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!" >> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!" >> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!" >> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!" >> >> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is >> needed. > >yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God Such people say the existence of anything is proof a god exists. There is no way to have a rational dialog with such people. > >> >>> I never said they validate >>> the beliefs as truth >> Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or >> factual. > >yes > -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims as I prefer to call them The most dangerous enemies the United States has: Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and supported by the Sluts and Pimps including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line and are working against the country and what it stands for. Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. Go WOKE. Go broke. CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy End all social engineering programs. I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight face with what she has to say. Did the last sane person leaving California remember to turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten Apple? Abortion should be like any other medical procedure and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. It is the business of no one else. There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. She want's it. All else is irrelevant I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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| From | bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) |
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| Date | 2024-05-02 13:12 +0000 |
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Maximus wrote: > Attila wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus >> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >> >>> Attila wrote: >>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus >>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> D wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>>>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>>>>> I never said it was >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>>>>> standards of science. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>>>>>> this position is. >>>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >>>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >>>>> I don't believe any number can. >>>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other >>>> religions as if the numbers matter? >>> because they do matter. they are evidence. >> Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence >> - at best they are unsupported opinion. >> >> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!" >> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!" >> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!" >> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!" >> >> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is >> needed. > yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God >> >>> I never said they validate >>> the beliefs as truth >> Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or >> factual. > yes Good. But what to say if what is fact for one is fiction for another? Whoever feeds us is God. Or at least, Good. We love God. Woof-woof bt (Arindam's best friends) >> >> -- >>
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2024-05-02 12:21 -0400 |
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On Thu, 2 May 2024 13:12:57 +0000, bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) in alt.atheism with message-id <be8eb7d0740bdd118191222521ea386f@www.novabbs.com> wrote: >Maximus wrote: > >> Attila wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 23:01:29 +1000, Maximus >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <l9c8dbFt67nU1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Attila wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus >>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>>>>>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> D wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same >level of >>>>>>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is >evidence. >>>>>>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>>>>>> I never said it was >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that >proves >>>>>>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the >rigorous >>>>>>>>> standards of science. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a >pantheon >>>>>>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how >foolish >>>>>>>>> this position is. >>>>>>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are >currently >>>>>>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world >today. >>>>>>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >>>>>>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>>>>>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>>>>>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>>>>>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>>>>>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>>>>>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >>>>>> I don't believe any number can. >>>>> Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other >>>>> religions as if the numbers matter? >>>> because they do matter. they are evidence. >>> Not really. They must be accepted before they are evidence >>> - at best they are unsupported opinion. >>> >>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!" >>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!" >>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!" >>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!" >>> >>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is >>> needed. > >> yes, many ppl think the earth is proof of God. ie. created by God > >>> >>>> I never said they validate >>>> the beliefs as truth >>> Actual evidence usually supports something as being true or >>> factual. > >> yes > >Good. But what to say if what is fact for one is fiction for another? A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven to be true or false through objective evidence. > >Whoever feeds us is God. Or at least, Good. > >We love God. > >Woof-woof > >bt (Arindam's best friends) > >>> >>> -- >>> -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims as I prefer to call them The most dangerous enemies the United States has: Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and supported by the Sluts and Pimps including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line and are working against the country and what it stands for. Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. Go WOKE. Go broke. CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy End all social engineering programs. I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight face with what she has to say. Did the last sane person leaving California remember to turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten Apple? Abortion should be like any other medical procedure and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. It is the business of no one else. There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. She want's it. All else is irrelevant I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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| From | The Ref <ref@creon.earth> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 13:27 +0000 |
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 08:23:51 -0400, Attila < wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:50:59 +1000, Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> > in alt.atheism with message-id <l9c496Fsit6U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: > >>Attila wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> >>> in alt.atheism with message-id <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level >>>>>>>> of ...beliefs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something without >>>>>>> any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is >>>>>> evidence. >>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>> I never said it was >>>> >>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>> standards of science. >>>>> >>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a >>>>> pantheon of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how >>>>> foolish this position is. >>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world >>>> today. >>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons who >>> believed in Christianity and millions that believed in other gods. >>> Does that mean those gods were valid at that time and Christianity was >>> not? Does a religion become valid when a certain level of belief is >>> reached? What is the number needed to validate a religion as being >>> true? >> >>I don't believe any number can. > > Then why did you mention the number of Christians and other religions as > if the numbers matter? > > >> >>> Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims are valid so >>> there are at least two gods? Do Hindus contribute a third? >> >> >>no, could be it's just different beliefs about God > > The issue is numbers, not beliefs. And whether numbers can validate > beliefs. They can't -- it's a logical fallacy: https://infidels.org/library/modern/constructing-a-logical-argument/#numerum Argumentum ad numerum This fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum. It consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct. For example: “The vast majority of people in this country believe that capital punishment has a noticeable deterrent effect. To suggest that it doesn’t in the face of so much evidence is ridiculous.” “All I’m saying is that thousands of people believe in pyramid power, so there must be something to it.” Followups: alt.atheism -- I am not a lawyer; I am The Ref.
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| From | Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-01 08:29 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <v0rrbn$2mgqd$5@dont-email.me> |
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On 30/04/2024 9:50 pm, Maximus wrote: > Attila wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >> >>> D wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>> That is not scientific proof. >>> I never said it was >>> >>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>> standards of science. >>>> >>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>> this position is. >>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? > > I don't believe any number can. > >> >> Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims >> are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus >> contribute a third? > > > no, could be it's just different beliefs about God Maybe one day the penny will drop for Maxi Maximus? "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's willingness to believe." Michael Christ -- God is God in all His Being. Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John 10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us. Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory." "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything." "What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of God. When you find Him you have found the author." "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore, sin is not what you do; it is what you are." "Compromise will condemn you." "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus." "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all." "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to know that?" "The way of truth is the testimony of life." "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall where God intends." "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith." "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all live, by faith." "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me." "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look ahead." "You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart." "Priority is everything." "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence." "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander it or to place it where it truly belongs." "An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie." "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to an ignorant straw man." "Wait, rest, be still, and know." "No man can wash his own hands!!!" "I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say, and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect." The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!" "The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is." "Man is not the centre of being." "Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature." "And then the Lord said, "I see everything." "Man has no greater idol than his own will." "Where is God hiding? He isn't." "If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them." "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's willingness to believe." "Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness, and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose." "The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always full of hope." "The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass through it so that a sinner could play God." "A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today." "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such is the love of God." "The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit pretending he is the meaning of life." "Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is still according to my power," says the Lord. What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in order to explain the existence of existence. "Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain." "Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality. What a gift in a fallen world!" "Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!" "Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth the glory of God" "God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the road." "It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being punished; it is what you are left with." "Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to birth it in a man." "The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is self-righteousness." "A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin." "A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection. The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord." "It is all about God or it is all about idolatry." "The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon." "There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!" "There is no such thing as random!" "You can't truly love without it being with all your heart." "No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God, you know nothing." "You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you." "No sinner is sinless in any way." "Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life." "What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust." "God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead." "Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners." "Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you really are."
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| From | Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-01 08:26 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <v0rr62$2mgqd$4@dont-email.me> |
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On 30/04/2024 8:24 pm, Attila wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus > <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id > <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: > >> D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>> >>>> Attila wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>> >>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>> >>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>> >>> That is not scientific proof. >> >> I never said it was >> >>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>> standards of science. >>> >>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>> this position is. >> >> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. Attila wrote: > Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons > who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in > other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that > time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become > valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is > the number needed to validate a religion as being true? > > Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims > are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus > contribute a third? Hahahahahahaha... One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila. It is like it is Christmas. :-). Michael Christ > > >> >>> >>> If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this >>> group would be converted. >>> >>> Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with >>> science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. >>> >>> So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a >>> god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. >>> >>> That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never >>> convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just >>> light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. >>> >>>>> Atheists >>>>> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >>>>> the existence of anything. Including any god. >>>>> >>>>> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >>>>> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >>>>> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >>>>> hero abilities. >>>>> >>>>> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >>>>> it does exist. >>>>> >>>>> > > -- > > Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting > and abhorrent. > Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. > > Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims > as I prefer to call them > > The most dangerous enemies the United States has: > > Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and > supported by the Sluts and Pimps including > Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, > Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, > Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, > Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They > have stepped over the line and are working against > the country and what it stands for. > > Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. > > Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. > Go WOKE. Go broke. > CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs > DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy > End all social engineering programs. > > I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight > face with what she has to say. > > Did the last sane person leaving California remember to > turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten > Apple? > > Abortion should be like any other medical procedure > and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. > It is the business of no one else. > > There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. > She want's it. All else is irrelevant > > I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. > > Don't build a wall, build a kill zone. -- God is God in all His Being. Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John 10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us. Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory." "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything." "What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of God. When you find Him you have found the author." "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore, sin is not what you do; it is what you are." "Compromise will condemn you." "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus." "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all." "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to know that?" "The way of truth is the testimony of life." "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall where God intends." "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith." "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all live, by faith." "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me." "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look ahead." "You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart." "Priority is everything." "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence." "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander it or to place it where it truly belongs." "An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie." "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to an ignorant straw man." "Wait, rest, be still, and know." "No man can wash his own hands!!!" "I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say, and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect." The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!" "The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is." "Man is not the centre of being." "Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature." "And then the Lord said, "I see everything." "Man has no greater idol than his own will." "Where is God hiding? He isn't." "If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them." "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's willingness to believe." "Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness, and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose." "The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always full of hope." "The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass through it so that a sinner could play God." "A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today." "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such is the love of God." "The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit pretending he is the meaning of life." "Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is still according to my power," says the Lord. What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in order to explain the existence of existence. "Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain." "Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality. What a gift in a fallen world!" "Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!" "Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth the glory of God" "God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the road." "It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being punished; it is what you are left with." "Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to birth it in a man." "The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is self-righteousness." "A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin." "A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection. The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord." "It is all about God or it is all about idolatry." "The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon." "There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!" "There is no such thing as random!" "You can't truly love without it being with all your heart." "No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God, you know nothing." "You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you." "No sinner is sinless in any way." "Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life." "What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust." "God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead." "Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners." "Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you really are."
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2024-04-30 18:42 -0400 |
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On Wed, 1 May 2024 08:26:09 +1000, Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <v0rr62$2mgqd$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 30/04/2024 8:24 pm, Attila wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >> >>> D wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>> >>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>> >>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>> >>>> That is not scientific proof. >>> >>> I never said it was >>> >>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>> standards of science. >>>> >>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>> this position is. >>> >>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. > >Attila wrote: >> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >> >> Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims >> are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus >> contribute a third? > >Hahahahahahaha... > >One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila. > >It is like it is Christmas. :-). May your underwear be infested with nests of Bulldogs. Assuming you wear underwear, of course. > > > > >Michael Christ >>> >>>> >>>> If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this >>>> group would be converted. >>>> >>>> Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with >>>> science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. >>>> >>>> So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a >>>> god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. >>>> >>>> That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never >>>> convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just >>>> light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. >>>> >>>>>> Atheists >>>>>> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >>>>>> the existence of anything. Including any god. >>>>>> >>>>>> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >>>>>> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >>>>>> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >>>>>> hero abilities. >>>>>> >>>>>> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >>>>>> it does exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> >> -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims as I prefer to call them The most dangerous enemies the United States has: Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and supported by the Sluts and Pimps including Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They have stepped over the line and are working against the country and what it stands for. Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. Go WOKE. Go broke. CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy End all social engineering programs. I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight face with what she has to say. Did the last sane person leaving California remember to turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten Apple? Abortion should be like any other medical procedure and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. It is the business of no one else. There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. She want's it. All else is irrelevant I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. Don't build a wall, build a kill zone.
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| From | Michael Christ <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-01 08:51 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <v0rsl9$2mgqd$9@dont-email.me> |
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On 1/05/2024 8:42 am, Attila wrote: > On Wed, 1 May 2024 08:26:09 +1000, Michael Christ > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with > message-id <v0rr62$2mgqd$4@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 30/04/2024 8:24 pm, Attila wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>> >>>> D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>> >>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>>> >>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>> >>>> I never said it was >>>> >>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>> standards of science. >>>>> >>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>>> this position is. >>>> >>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >> >> Attila wrote: >>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >>> >>> Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims >>> are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus >>> contribute a third? >> >> Hahahahahahaha... >> >> One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila. >> >> It is like it is Christmas. :-). > May your underwear be infested with nests of Bulldogs. > Assuming you wear underwear, of course. May the grasshopper you have for breakfast get stuck in your teeth as you ponder the thought of sticking your nose into that horse's ass. Michael Christ > >> >> >> >> >> Michael Christ > >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this >>>>> group would be converted. >>>>> >>>>> Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with >>>>> science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. >>>>> >>>>> So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a >>>>> god that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. >>>>> >>>>> That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never >>>>> convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just >>>>> light entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. >>>>> >>>>>>> Atheists >>>>>>> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >>>>>>> the existence of anything. Including any god. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >>>>>>> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >>>>>>> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >>>>>>> hero abilities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >>>>>>> it does exist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> > > -- > > Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting > and abhorrent. > Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying. > > Whatever it takes - Stop the Democrats. Or the Dims > as I prefer to call them > > The most dangerous enemies the United States has: > > Biden the Senile Bastard and his Bitch and > supported by the Sluts and Pimps including > Ilhan Omar, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, > Ayanna Pressley, Rashida Tlaib, Jamaal Bowman, > Cori Bush, Adam Schiff, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler, > Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi and Cory Booker. They > have stepped over the line and are working against > the country and what it stands for. > > Do not work with them but oppose everything they attempt. > > Stop the Green Raw Deal! I dare call it treason. > Go WOKE. Go broke. > CRT - Criminals Recruiting Thugs > DEI - Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy > End all social engineering programs. > > I don't know how Comical Karine can still hold a straight > face with what she has to say. > > Did the last sane person leaving California remember to > turn off the lights? Did he do the same for the Rotten > Apple? > > Abortion should be like any other medical procedure > and be the decision of the patient and the doctor. > It is the business of no one else. > > There is only one reason for a woman to get an abortion. > She want's it. All else is irrelevant > > I support a Pro-Choice Constitutional Amendment. > > Don't build a wall, build a kill zone. -- God is God in all His Being. Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John 10:30 I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God. Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were YET sinners, Christ died for us. Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps. Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise. "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory." "If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything." "What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of God. When you find Him you have found the author." "All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore, sin is not what you do; it is what you are." "Compromise will condemn you." "There are no sinners in Christ Jesus." "My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all." "You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to know that?" "The way of truth is the testimony of life." "I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall where God intends." "Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith." "You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all live, by faith." "It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me." "Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look ahead." "You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart." "Priority is everything." "The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence." "There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander it or to place it where it truly belongs." "An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie." "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to an ignorant straw man." "Wait, rest, be still, and know." "No man can wash his own hands!!!" "I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say, and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect." The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!" "The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is." "Man is not the centre of being." "Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature." "And then the Lord said, "I see everything." "Man has no greater idol than his own will." "Where is God hiding? He isn't." "If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them." "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's willingness to believe." "Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness, and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose." "The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always full of hope." "The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass through it so that a sinner could play God." "A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today." "No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such is the love of God." "The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit pretending he is the meaning of life." "Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is still according to my power," says the Lord. What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in order to explain the existence of existence. "Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain." "Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality. What a gift in a fallen world!" "Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!" "Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth the glory of God" "God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the road." "It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being punished; it is what you are left with." "Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to birth it in a man." "The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is self-righteousness." "A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin." "A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection. The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord." "It is all about God or it is all about idolatry." "The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon." "There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!" "There is no such thing as random!" "You can't truly love without it being with all your heart." "No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God, you know nothing." "You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you." "No sinner is sinless in any way." "Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life." "What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust." "God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead." "Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners." "Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you really are."
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| From | Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> |
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| Date | 2024-05-01 22:28 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <l9eqrpFacbqU3@mid.individual.net> |
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Attila wrote: > On Wed, 1 May 2024 08:26:09 +1000, Michael Christ > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with > message-id <v0rr62$2mgqd$4@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 30/04/2024 8:24 pm, Attila wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:39:27 +1000, Maximus >>> <gladiator@colosseum.rome> in alt.atheism with message-id >>> <l9bsiiFrec7U1@mid.individual.net> wrote: >>> >>>> D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attila wrote: >>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are >>>>>>>> confident that there is a God. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>>>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>>>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>>>>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >>>>> That is not scientific proof. >>>> I never said it was >>>> >>>>> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves >>>>> god. No such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous >>>>> standards of science. >>>>> >>>>> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon >>>>> of gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish >>>>> this position is. >>>> with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently >>>> 2.4 billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. >>>> believers in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. >> Attila wrote: >>> Interesting. At some point there were less than 20 persons >>> who believed in Christianity and millions that believed in >>> other gods. Does that mean those gods were valid at that >>> time and Christianity was not? Does a religion become >>> valid when a certain level of belief is reached? What is >>> the number needed to validate a religion as being true? >>> >>> Are you say the numbers prove both Christians and Muslims >>> are valid so there are at least two gods? Do Hindus >>> contribute a third? >> Hahahahahahaha... >> >> One of the very, very rare rational inquiries from Attila. >> >> It is like it is Christmas. :-). > May your underwear be infested with nests of Bulldogs. > Assuming you wear underwear, of course. he does, but it's very, very, dirty.. -- “Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23 "Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge" "Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle" "God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand. The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation." "The problem with theism is that it never remains within the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"
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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: > D wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Maximus wrote: >> >>> Attila wrote: >>>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 21:38:00 -0700, The Starmaker >>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>> <662F2428.72E6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>> Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. >>>>> Religious beliefs and Atheism beliefs are both on the same level of >>>>> ...beliefs. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Atheist are confident that there is no God, as Religions are confident >>>>> that there is a God. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They are are both on the same level of ...beliefs. >>>> >>>> Not really. Theists postulate the existence of something >>>> without any supporting evidence for that existence. >>> >>> I disagree. billions of believers and personal testimony is evidence. >> >> That is not scientific proof. > > I never said it was That is kind of what proof means. I don't see any other way proof could have any meaning. >> In order to count as proof, they need to devise a test that proves god. No >> such test has ever been devised that satisfies the rigorous standards of >> science. >> >> If personal testimony would be enough, then you end up with a pantheon of >> gods, pink unicorns, ufos etc. I am sure you can see how foolish this >> position is. > > with any evidence, we must determine credibility. there are currently 2.4 > billion christians and almost 2 billion muslims in the world today. believers > in pink unicorns, or other gods, don't even come close. No, I don't consider "voting" proof. If that were the case, then clearly the earth was proven to be flat once, and the sun was proven to circle the earth. I could go on, but you realize of course how absurd equating followers with proof is. >> >> If you have a scientific proof, let's hear it, and I'm sure that this group >> would be converted. >> >> Now... here's the kicker. Any god that would be possible to prove with >> science, would not be a god, but a component of this world. >> >> So by the very nature of us, the world we live in and our senses, a god >> that is per definition, outside this world, is impossible to prove. >> >> That hasn't stopped people from trying, but that is why you will never >> convince anyone here. I'm sure you know that and that this is just light >> entertainment, but I'll mention it anyway. >> >>>> Atheists >>>> say without supporting evidence there is no reason to accept >>>> the existence of anything. Including any god. >>>> >>>> Using the logic of theists the existence of anything at all >>>> can be supported, including werewolves, trolls, elves, >>>> vampires, dragons, shape changers, and people with super >>>> hero abilities. >>>> >>>> Absence of proof that something exists does not suggest that >>>> it does exist. >>>> >>>> > > >
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