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| Started by | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2023-01-27 07:10 -0800 |
| Last post | 2023-02-01 17:05 -0800 |
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Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-27 07:10 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-27 07:36 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-01-27 09:37 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-27 10:33 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-27 10:50 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-27 13:36 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-27 14:05 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 16:07 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 16:43 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 17:12 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 08:01 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 13:36 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 14:41 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 15:13 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-01-28 15:15 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 16:57 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is an imbecile Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-28 21:40 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-27 14:23 -0500
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Baldomero De filippis <ppbo@ibsldimp.sn> - 2023-01-28 16:40 +0000
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 07:32 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 08:25 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 09:34 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 13:26 -0800
Lying piece of shit Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 13:51 -0800
Re: Lying piece of shit Richard Hertz exposed "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2023-01-30 14:39 +0100
Re: Lying piece of shit Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 06:19 -0800
Re: Lying piece of shit Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 07:30 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 14:54 -0800
Why Richard Hertz is a hardened crank "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 09:27 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 17:02 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 17:54 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 18:53 -0800
Crank Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-29 19:33 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-01-29 23:58 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-30 11:09 +0100
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-01-30 10:28 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 11:21 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 14:46 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-30 23:47 +0100
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 08:42 +0100
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-31 13:02 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 03:26 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 06:18 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 06:34 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 08:31 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 10:08 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 10:30 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-30 21:48 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 22:41 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 12:47 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 07:34 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-30 23:47 +0100
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 15:11 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 21:45 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 15:30 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 17:09 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 22:43 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-31 14:04 +0100
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 08:55 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 20:06 +0100
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-31 21:11 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 19:12 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 20:06 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 20:10 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 20:20 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 05:57 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 08:55 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 11:02 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 22:43 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-01 09:40 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 07:17 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-01 17:08 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 14:25 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-02 16:06 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 13:45 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-02 20:07 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 18:36 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 20:56 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-02-03 14:01 -0500
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-03 13:06 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-02-07 15:05 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-07 18:44 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-02-07 18:47 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 23:11 -0800
Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 22:41 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 11:19 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is a hardened crank "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 11:25 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 11:43 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 11:46 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Darrel Vaccaro <acoc@vecdalvl.vc> - 2023-01-30 19:52 +0000
Re: Why Richard Hertz is a crank "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 12:34 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 18:46 -0800
Crank Richard Hertz perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-30 19:07 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 03:28 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 06:08 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is a crank "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-01-31 06:26 -0800
Re: Why Richard Hertz is a crank "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 09:23 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 15:01 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 16:02 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 16:52 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 17:43 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-02 04:28 -0800
Re: Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-02-01 17:05 -0800
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-01-31 21:11 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <trchn1$2b59$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600560 |
On 1/31/2023 2:06 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > On 2023-01-31 16:55:52 +0000, Maciej Wozniak said: >> And in the meantime in the real world, forbidden >> by your bunch of idiots GPS and TAI keep measuring >> t'=t in forbidden by your bunch of idiots old >> seconds. > > 600 !! Congratulations. After your idleness inthe middle of January I > wasn't sure you would make it to 600. That boy is, I say, that boy is about as sharp as a bowling ball.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-01-31 19:12 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <934a44e4-e249-4e69-a891-54d27863d2d8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600581 |
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:10:44 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: <snip> > That boy is, I say, that boy is about as sharp as a bowling ball. You believe that you're a big shot, parroting what you heard here for 20 years and citing books that you have at hand, ALL THE TIME, over the same stupid relativistic issues: GPS, Lorentz transforms, that Einstein invented the laser in 1917, that starlight is deflected by the Sun at funny angles, Gravity A and B results are certain, GW are a real thing, BH are a real thing, BBT is the real deal and shit. Why don't prove yourself, and to the forum, about your "sharpness". Address this question over the HOAX of Pound-Rebka along with Mössbauer effect and quantum physics: Exactly WHY PR measured a weighted average shift of -15.5 ± 0.8 (x 10E-15), which contains the einstenian shift of 2.4E-15, when the emitter is on the top, at 22.2 meters. Be precise, asshole, and talk ONLY about resonant behaviors of Fe⁵² atoms. Don't run away like the rat you usually are, and explain CLEARLY how "Einstein's right" IS MEASURED on such range (6 times higher that the sought einstenian shift). I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU that use modern material, post year 2000. Let us know how do you figure out how the MECHANICAL physicist Pound LET IT BE KNOWN. Because in the papers of 1960 up to 1981, Mr. Pound used 97% of the words in ANY PAPER, to talk about his expertise (mechanics, radioactive samples, statistical average, slow motion and Doppler, etc.) BUT LESS THAN 3% to explain the differences between emission and absorption of gamma rays. Also, tell us HOW DID HE COUNT BEEPS and translated them into UNCERTAIN frequency shifts. You have a chance to prove you're smart. I'm familiarizing with the language of gamma spectroscopy, to explain how the FRAUD was made and sustained all these years. Maybe tomorrow. Meanwhile, you have the chance to enlighten us with the function that convert BEEPS into femto-parts of 1 Hz. Good luck, asshole.
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-01-31 20:06 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <739494e4-d7e4-4436-9b41-53ca1d95dd6an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600585 |
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:12:31 PM UTC-6, Richard Hertz wrote: > Exactly WHY PR measured a weighted average shift of -15.5 ± 0.8 (x 10E-15), which contains the einstenian shift of 2.4E-15, > when the emitter is on the top, at 22.2 meters. Don't you bother actually *reading* my posts? I had already *explained* this to you in this post: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/0aLXD2GNp4U/m/Z6a8cBA7AwAJ The precise frequency at which Mossbauer resonance takes place is sensitive to the chemical/physical environment around the resonant atoms. That is why Mossbauer spectroscopy has proven to be an extremely sensitive and useful probe of crystal structure, especially in the field of minerology. The amount of isomer shift (in the older literature, "chemical shift") is also dependent on temperature. 1) TEMPERATURE: In the previous issue to the one in which their "Apparent weight of photons" article appeared, Pound and Rebka published the following: Pound, R. V., & Rebka Jr, G. A. (1960). Variation with temperature of the energy of recoil-free gamma rays from solids. Physical Review Letters, 4(6), 274. | "As a preliminary step in the operation of an experimental | system designed to measure the gravitational effect, we have | been making tests to find out whether other influences than the | one intended might lead to systematic errors by introducing | important frequency shifts not taken into account. | So far the largest such effect found is that of temperature." Pound and Rebka *knew ahead of time* how much correction to apply to compensate for differences in the temperature between emitter and absorber. 2) PHYSICAL/CHEMICAL ENVIRONMENT: Pound and Rebka knew ahead of time that the precise frequency at which Fe⁵⁷ emitted/absorbed gamma rays depended on the precise details of sample preparation. Ahead of their actually performing the experiment, they carefully measured the the fixed frequency offset between emitter and absorber. This fixed frequency offset was larger than the gravitational Doppler shift that was to be measured, but since it was a fixed offset, it could easily be compensated for.
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-01-31 20:10 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <03367494-3337-4bc6-be43-3fdb579fbaccn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600588 |
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:06:17 PM UTC-6, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > Pound and Rebka published the following: > Pound, R. V., & Rebka Jr, G. A. (1960). Variation with > temperature of the energy of recoil-free gamma rays from solids. > Physical Review Letters, 4(6), 274. Here is the complete paper for you to read: https://virgilio.mib.infn.it/~oleari/public/relativita/materiale_didattico/Pound_Rebka-PhysRevLett.4.274.pdf
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-01-31 20:20 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <d9cc2e8d-e12d-4df7-b54d-3953e82dcb03n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600588 |
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:06:17 PM UTC-6, Prokaryotic Capase Homolog wrote: > Ahead of their actually > performing the experiment, they carefully measured the > the fixed frequency offset between emitter and absorber. This > fixed frequency offset was larger than the gravitational > Doppler shift that was to be measured, but since it was a fixed > offset, it could easily be compensated for. Instead of relying on their measured values for the frequency offset, they instead used a simple mathematical procedure to obtain and compensate for this offset: If O is the frequency shift inherent in a emitter/absorber combination and x is the offset resulting from gravitational time dilation, then AVERAGE_OF_TWO_ORIENTATIONS(O + x, O - x) = O DIFFERENCE_OF_TWO_ORIENTATIONS (O + x) - (O - x) = 2x
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 05:57 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <89820c13-a0f7-4345-b266-94b523e0004an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600590 |
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 1:20:34 AM UTC-3, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote: <snip> I've read carefully all of your posts. I answered in terms of frequency, which (as I learned) is not the favorite variable that's used in spectroscopy, in particular in gamma spectroscopy. What is used is energy, and its Plack's relationship with frequency: E = h.f, just separated by the h constant. When you, Dono and others said that the experiment was based on ELEMENTARY ARITHMETIC, you all are (either on purpose or by not knowing) ignoring THE RANDOM NATURE of emission and absorption "bandwiths" or "wide of spectral lines". So, your DECEIVINGLY SIMPLE equations ARE NOT TRUE AT ALL. And here is the heart of Pound&Rebka HOAX. You wrote: > Instead of relying on their measured values for the frequency offset, they instead used a simple mathematical procedure to > obtain and compensate for this offset: > > If O is the frequency shift inherent in a emitter/absorber combination and x is the offset resulting from gravitational time > dilation, then > AVERAGE_OF_TWO_ORIENTATIONS(O + x, O - x) = O > DIFFERENCE_OF_TWO_ORIENTATIONS (O + x) - (O - x) = 2x WRONG, THROUGH AND THROUGH. O is NOT a "frequency shift inherent in an emitter/absorber combination". It's not a NUMBER, but the MANIPULATED AVERAGE of an EXTREMELY COMPLEX statistical function that comprehend several different effects, many of them NOT COMPLETELY UNDERSTOOD in 1960. Pound CLEARLY wrote several disclaimers within the 1960 paper about this FACT and the problems of the difference of temperature between emitter and absorber. Given this, the correct expressions are [O₁(p, q, m, T) + gh/c²] - [O₂(p, q, m, T) - gh/c²] ≠ 2gh/c², AND AND O₁(p, q, m, T) ≠ O₂(p, q, m, T) , except for the gullible audience of Pound. THEY ARE STATISTICAL FUNCTIONS, and you are NOT allowed to EXTRACT A CONSTANT, THEORETICAL gh/c² from a statistical function, which is what Pound did and you bought. Why did you buy it? I don't know, but better that you get your math background revisited. These are some facts, with the terminology used in spectroscopy: ******************************************************************** The Lorentzian function, used by Pound&Rebka, is used in spectroscopy to describes the spectral line shape using three parameters: line position, maximum height and Γ (full width at half maximum or FWHM). Used as a Probability Density Function (PDF), its integral equals one. It´s simpler to use than gaussian shapes. L(f) = 1/π ( Γ/2)/[(f - f₀)² +( Γ/2)²] The maximum L(f₀) equals to 2/π Γ. Its shape fall to half its maximum at f = (f₀ ± Γ/2). In spectroscopy, due to the Uncertainty Principle, there are limits in the precision with which the energy of a state can be defined, depending on the lifetime of the state and the change of energy along the line width Γ (eV). The natural lifetime τ defines the certainty with which the energy E can be defined. The imprecision of the energy ΔE = Γ depends on τ, and is, approximately, ΔE. τ = Γ. τ ≈ h , with h ≈ 4.136E−15 eV.sec Γ ≈ h/τ The natural linewidth of an absorption line reflects a fundamental quantum property of incoming radiation - the uncertainty in the energy is tied to the uncertainty in the lifetime of the excited state through Heisenberg’s relation: ∆E∆τ = h/2. The spectral line has a Lorentzian profile centered on E₀ with intensity I₀ and full-width half-maximum (FWHM) Γ: L(E) = I₀ (Γ/2)²/[(E - E₀)² +(Γ/2)²] So, the shortest is Natural Lifetime τ, the WIDER IS Γ(FWHM) (in eV). For Fe⁵⁷, τ = 100 nsec, so Γ ≈ 4.136E−08 eV. This is the FWHM parameter that describes the range of emission or absorption of 14.4 KeV Gamma rays by a Fe⁵⁷ atom. In relative terms, Γ range is just a 2.87E-12 fraction of the energy E₀. In frequency terms, Γ(FWHM) ≈ h. Δf(FWHM). Because of this, Γ(eV) is used as a measure of the bandwidth in spectroscopy. In Gamma ray spectroscopy, the emission/absorption lines are defined by: - Natural Lifetime τ - Natural Linewidth Γ ≈ h/τ - Fractional FWHM Γ/E₀ ≈ h/E₀τ The above relationships are the one used in spectroscopy, and used by Pound&Rebka. BUT Γ(FWHM) comprehend several phenomena of energy radiation and absorption, as explained here (year 2007): http://web.mit.edu/dvp/www/Work/8.14/dvp-mossbauer-paper.pdf Mossbauer Spectroscopy of ⁵⁷Fe Dennis V. Perepelitsa MIT Department of Physics (Dated: April 6, 2007 You will appreciate that ONLY after HEAVY statistical filtering by using hundred of measurements of radiation and absorption, you can get AN AVERAGE OF THE Fractional FWHM Γ/E₀, which would be your O₁(p, q, m, T) OR [O₂(p, q, m, T). So, your NOT AS SIMPLE AS CLAIMED equation (O + x) - (O - x) = 2x IS JUST FALSE. And this is only part of what Pound&Rebka cooked, cherry picked and FUDGED in his "famous 1960 paper".
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 08:55 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <ef313bd8-c70f-4600-910a-d8797327968cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600598 |
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:57:18 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote: > And here is the heart of my imbecility. Yep. You are unable and unwilling to accept that you don't understand basic physics . See your goof on the classical Doppler effect in this thread. Keep it up, dumbestfuck.".
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 11:02 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <f9a1508d-a61a-47ff-88da-7fdbb232bf9fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600603 |
On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 17:55:59 UTC+1, Dono. wrote: > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 5:57:18 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote: > > And here is the heart of my imbecility. > > Yep. You are unable and unwilling to accept that you don't understand basic physics . And you're unable and unwilling to accept, that in the meantime in the real world forbidden by your bunch of idiots GPS and TAI keep measuring t'=t, just like all serious clocks always did.
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-01-31 22:43 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <d7448929-07bb-41d2-b3e4-d3efd2c58950n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600588 |
On Wednesday, 1 February 2023 at 05:06:17 UTC+1, prokaryotic.c...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:12:31 PM UTC-6, Richard Hertz wrote: > > Exactly WHY PR measured a weighted average shift of -15.5 ± 0.8 (x 10E-15), which contains the einstenian shift of 2.4E-15, > > when the emitter is on the top, at 22.2 meters. > Don't you bother actually *reading* my posts? > I had already *explained* this to you in this post: > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/0aLXD2GNp4U/m/Z6a8cBA7AwAJ > > The precise frequency at which Mossbauer resonance takes > place is sensitive to the chemical/physical environment around > the resonant atoms. And in the meantime in the real world - forbidden by your bunch of idiots GPS and TAI keep measuring t'=t in forbidden by your bunch of idiots old seconds.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 09:40 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <trdtkc$ckkq$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600585 |
On 1/31/2023 10:12 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:10:44 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > > <snip> > >> That boy is, I say, that boy is about as sharp as a bowling ball. > > You believe that you're a big shot, parroting what you heard here for 20 years and citing books that you have at hand, ALL THE TIME, > over the same stupid relativistic issues: GPS, Lorentz transforms, that Einstein invented the laser in 1917, that starlight is deflected > by the Sun at funny angles, Gravity A and B results are certain, GW are a real thing, BH are a real thing, BBT is the real deal and shit. > > Why don't prove yourself, and to the forum, about your "sharpness". > > Address this question over the HOAX of Pound-Rebka along with Mössbauer effect and quantum physics: ... > I STRONGLY ADVISE YOU that use modern material, post year 2000. ...> Meanwhile, you have the chance to enlighten us with the function that convert BEEPS into femto-parts of 1 Hz. So you want me to reproduce Pound-Rebka for you? I'll let you know that my consulting fee is $500/hr (you get the Usenet discount!), plus materials, including all nuclear materials and associated safety equipment, transportation and nuclear waste disposal, as applicable laws of the United States require, all necessary employees and subcontractors etc. etc. Payable in advance. (nice boy, I say, nice boy but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice)
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 07:17 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <6ac211ab-d8bd-4aac-8cdb-132188efd012n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600600 |
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:40:15 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > On 1/31/2023 10:12 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: <snip> > ...> Meanwhile, you have the chance to enlighten us with the function that convert BEEPS into femto-parts of 1 Hz. > So you want me to reproduce Pound-Rebka for you? I'll let you know that > my consulting fee is $500/hr (you get the Usenet discount!), plus > materials, including all nuclear materials and associated safety > equipment, transportation and nuclear waste disposal, as applicable laws > of the United States require, all necessary employees and subcontractors > etc. etc. Payable in advance. > > (nice boy, I say, nice boy but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice) "The federally mandated minimum wage in the United States is 7.25 U.S. dollars per hour, although the minimum wage varies from state to state." You mean $500+$7.25 per hour? But you have to clean my bathroom too. Maybe, while cleaning the latrine, you'll find the Pound&Rebka "missing explanation" along with the rest to be cleaned, right in the bottom, where it belongs. You keep laying cables on raised floors at datacenters, Mr. "EE" that became "advocate of relativity". Read carefully my post above yours, so you can learn something.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 17:08 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <trensb$h2oi$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600601 |
On 2/1/2023 10:17 AM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:40:15 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote: >> On 1/31/2023 10:12 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > <snip> > >> ...> Meanwhile, you have the chance to enlighten us with the function that convert BEEPS into femto-parts of 1 Hz. > >> So you want me to reproduce Pound-Rebka for you? I'll let you know that >> my consulting fee is $500/hr (you get the Usenet discount!), plus >> materials, including all nuclear materials and associated safety >> equipment, transportation and nuclear waste disposal, as applicable laws >> of the United States require, all necessary employees and subcontractors >> etc. etc. Payable in advance. >> >> (nice boy, I say, nice boy but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice) > > "The federally mandated minimum wage in the United States is 7.25 U.S. dollars per hour, although the minimum wage > varies from state to state." > > You mean $500+$7.25 per hour? But you have to clean my bathroom too. You'll find that my fee of $500/hr is well above the minimum wage in all states. Clean your own bathroom, but since you throw all your shit into this group, I suspect it remains clean by itself. > You keep laying cables on raised floors at datacenters, Mr. "EE" that became "advocate of relativity". You need to wire your own data centers. I write kernel mode software, deep within the operating system, doing many things you don't have a clue about. > > Read carefully my post above yours, so you can learn something. I already know that you're a cretin without rereading your babble again. I also know you are certainly mentally ill, again no need to reread your cretinisms again.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-01 14:25 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <b76e73d5-30ef-4558-8542-1046475dfb6bn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600612 |
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:08:14 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > On 2/1/2023 10:17 AM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 11:40:15 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > >> On 1/31/2023 10:12 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >> ...> Meanwhile, you have the chance to enlighten us with the function that convert BEEPS into femto-parts of 1 Hz. > > > >> So you want me to reproduce Pound-Rebka for you? I'll let you know that > >> my consulting fee is $500/hr (you get the Usenet discount!), plus > >> materials, including all nuclear materials and associated safety > >> equipment, transportation and nuclear waste disposal, as applicable laws > >> of the United States require, all necessary employees and subcontractors > >> etc. etc. Payable in advance. > >> > >> (nice boy, I say, nice boy but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice) > > > > "The federally mandated minimum wage in the United States is 7.25 U.S. dollars per hour, although the minimum wage > > varies from state to state." > > > > You mean $500+$7.25 per hour? But you have to clean my bathroom too. > You'll find that my fee of $500/hr is well above the minimum wage in all > states. Clean your own bathroom, but since you throw all your shit into > this group, I suspect it remains clean by itself. > > You keep laying cables on raised floors at datacenters, Mr. "EE" that became "advocate of relativity". > You need to wire your own data centers. I write kernel mode software, > deep within the operating system, doing many things you don't have a > clue about. > > > > Read carefully my post above yours, so you can learn something. > I already know that you're a cretin without rereading your babble again. > I also know you are certainly mentally ill, again no need to reread your > cretinisms again. Kernel of the Pentium II, Windows XP computer of your grocery store? I'd give you 35 bucks max.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-02 16:06 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <trh8jp$11e5j$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600613 |
On 2/1/2023 5:25 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 7:08:14 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: >> On 2/1/2023 10:17 AM, Richard Hertz wrote: >>> Read carefully my post above yours, so you can learn something. >> I already know that you're a cretin without rereading your babble again. >> I also know you are certainly mentally ill, again no need to reread your >> cretinisms again. > > Kernel of the Pentium II, Windows XP computer of your grocery store? Sorry, Dick. I don't do Windoze. You'll need 10th gen x86-64 or later anyway. (you have grocery stores which sell XP computers? Weird item for them)
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-02 13:45 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <222d00b0-86a2-4683-a784-b08511d90286n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600661 |
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:06:04 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > On 2/1/2023 5:25 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: <snip> > >>> Read carefully my post above yours, so you can learn something. > > >> I already know that you're a cretin without rereading your babble again. > >> I also know you are certainly mentally ill, again no need to reread your cretinisms again. > > > > Kernel of the Pentium II, Windows XP computer of your grocery store? > Sorry, Dick. I don't do Windoze. You'll need 10th gen x86-64 or later > anyway. (you have grocery stores which sell XP computers? Weird item for them) I don't buy even for an instant the shit that you claim doing. YOU DON'T WORK, and sleep until noon, every day. Fact. You are an imbecile to work even with 1 bit microcontroller and 10 instructions (close to your peak IQ). Wait for the Part II of the Pound-Rebka HOAX, asshole.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-02 20:07 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <trhmom$14d50$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600666 |
On 2/2/2023 4:45 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:06:04 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: >> On 2/1/2023 5:25 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > <snip> > >>>>> Read carefully my post above yours, so you can learn something. >> >>>> I already know that you're a cretin without rereading your babble again. >>>> I also know you are certainly mentally ill, again no need to reread your cretinisms again. >>> >>> Kernel of the Pentium II, Windows XP computer of your grocery store? > >> Sorry, Dick. I don't do Windoze. You'll need 10th gen x86-64 or later >> anyway. (you have grocery stores which sell XP computers? Weird item for them) > > I don't buy even for an instant the shit that you claim doing. YOU DON'T WORK, and sleep until noon, every day. Fact. And once again, your delusional thinking comes up with crapola that you fantasize is "Fact". You do that repeatedly, inventing "facts" about Einstein, what others thought of Einstein as well as all the non-cranks who correct you, etc. Sorry but your fantasy is wrong. Again, see a mental health expert about your delusions. > Wait for the Part II of the Pound-Rebka HOAX, asshole. A nice long post of falsehoods, I take it? Poor, poor Dick Hurts..
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-02 18:36 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <d0fb015a-8896-449d-8061-e3680ab31e59n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600670 |
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:07:37 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > On 2/2/2023 4:45 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:06:04 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > >> On 2/1/2023 5:25 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >>>>> Read carefully my post above yours, so you can learn something. > >> > >>>> I already know that you're a cretin without rereading your babble again. > >>>> I also know you are certainly mentally ill, again no need to reread your cretinisms again. > >>> > >>> Kernel of the Pentium II, Windows XP computer of your grocery store? > > > >> Sorry, Dick. I don't do Windoze. You'll need 10th gen x86-64 or later > >> anyway. (you have grocery stores which sell XP computers? Weird item for them) > > > > I don't buy even for an instant the shit that you claim doing. YOU DON'T WORK, and sleep until noon, every day. Fact. > And once again, your delusional thinking comes up with crapola that you > fantasize is "Fact". You do that repeatedly, inventing "facts" about > Einstein, what others thought of Einstein as well as all the non-cranks > who correct you, etc. Sorry but your fantasy is wrong. Again, see a > mental health expert about your delusions. > > Wait for the Part II of the Pound-Rebka HOAX, asshole. > A nice long post of falsehoods, I take it? Poor, poor Dick Hurts.. I feel your butthurt, and I understand why you lie to the teeth. But, it's your life, not mine.
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| From | Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-02 20:56 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <3255f1b6-2fd3-49d2-837f-31a5c92f7456n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600678 |
On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 8:36:56 PM UTC-6, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:07:37 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > > On 2/2/2023 4:45 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 6:06:04 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > > >> On 2/1/2023 5:25 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: [Exchange of insults] Most of Pound's review article may be found here: https://tinyurl.com/6xzzmt8k Now that the freeze is over, I should be able to access the complete article from the university library.
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| From | Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2023-02-03 14:01 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <trjlm6$1ibkl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #600678 |
On 2/2/2023 9:36 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:07:37 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: >> On 2/2/2023 4:45 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: >>> Wait for the Part II of the Pound-Rebka HOAX, asshole. >> A nice long post of falsehoods, I take it? Poor, poor Dick Hurts.. > > I feel your butthurt, and I understand why you lie to the teeth. But, it's your life, not mine. Don't project your own butthurt on to me. You know that your Part II will go down in flames before you even post it. Poor poor Dick Hurts. Again.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2023-02-03 13:06 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Crank Richard Hertz exposed |
| Message-ID | <fa30dfeb-da54-40f8-a83b-a9cb9c4c1db1n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #600707 |
On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:01:29 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > On 2/2/2023 9:36 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:07:37 PM UTC-3, Volney wrote: > >> On 2/2/2023 4:45 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > >>> Wait for the Part II of the Pound-Rebka HOAX, asshole. > > >> A nice long post of falsehoods, I take it? Poor, poor Dick Hurts.. > > > > > I feel your butthurt, and I understand why you lie to the teeth. But, it's your life, not mine. > Don't project your own butthurt on to me. You know that your Part II > will go down in flames before you even post it. Poor poor Dick Hurts. Again. There is a Part III going on, but it's beyond your ability to understand anything beyond "Time is what my clock shows", imbecile.
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