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Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign?

Started byGeorge Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com>
First post2022-10-10 09:12 -0700
Last post2022-10-16 18:20 +0000
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  Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 09:12 -0700
    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 11:13 -0700
      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 18:37 +0000
        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 16:32 -0700
          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 09:26 -0700
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-10-12 19:38 +0200
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Chip Gabrielli <eici@apeciill.bl> - 2022-10-13 17:17 +0000
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-13 22:00 +0000
          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-10-12 21:03 +0200
    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-13 22:09 +0200
      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-13 23:18 -0700
      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 10:25 -0700
        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-14 17:36 +0000
          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 11:23 -0700
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-14 19:50 +0000
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-14 23:55 +0200
                Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-14 22:03 +0000
                  Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 15:45 -0700
                    Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-14 18:01 -0500
                      Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 02:40 +0200
                        Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> - 2022-10-17 11:09 +0100
                          Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-17 07:49 -0500
                            Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 08:25 -0700
                      Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 12:47 -0700
                        Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 01:10 +0200
                          Re: the 'PointedEars' Lahn, the braindead uneducated, unskilled and unemployed scumbag whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 22:09 -0500
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 00:03 +0200
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-14 22:06 +0000
          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-14 23:54 +0200
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-14 22:18 +0000
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-14 17:56 -0500
                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 02:37 +0200
                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-14 21:33 -0500
                    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 20:09 +0200
                      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-15 13:25 -0500
                        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 00:55 +0200
                          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 22:02 -0500
                          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> - 2022-10-17 14:59 +0000
                            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-10-17 08:23 -0700
                              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> - 2022-10-17 17:30 +0000
                                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-10-17 10:38 -0700
                                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> - 2022-10-17 18:43 +0000
                                    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-10-17 12:19 -0700
                                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> - 2022-10-17 18:48 +0000
                                    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-10-17 12:20 -0700
                                      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> - 2022-10-17 20:08 +0000
                                        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2022-10-17 14:22 -0700
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 02:33 +0200
                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 17:40 -0700
                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-14 21:44 -0500
                  Re: yet another lurking imbecile *rotchm* uneducated and unskilled like hell Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> - 2022-10-15 18:18 +0000
        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-14 23:41 +0200
          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 18:04 -0700
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 18:08 -0700
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 18:36 -0700
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 03:35 +0200
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-14 21:40 -0500
                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 19:54 +0200
                  Re: the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his mouth again Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> - 2022-10-15 18:10 +0000
                    Re: the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his mouth again whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-15 14:04 -0500
                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> - 2022-10-15 18:40 +0000
                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-15 13:53 -0500
                    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-17 00:41 +0200
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 03:37 +0200
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-14 19:09 -0700
                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 01:39 -0700
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-14 21:42 -0500
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 03:44 -0700
                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 03:51 -0700
                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 10:34 -0700
                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-10-15 19:58 +0200
      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 13:33 -0700
        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> - 2022-10-17 22:25 +0000
          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-17 17:27 -0700
            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-18 17:57 +0000
              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 12:31 -0700
                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-18 19:47 +0000
                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 14:29 -0700
                    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-18 21:46 +0000
                      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-18 18:01 -0700
                        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-19 19:43 +0000
                          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-19 17:40 -0700
                            Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Wilbert Sciacca <wcsc@iccstcwa.ia> - 2022-10-20 15:03 +0000
                              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 12:42 -0700
                              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 19:39 -0700
                                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-20 19:50 -0700
                                Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Ricardo Bassani <isis@nbcroiad.ai> - 2022-10-21 09:04 +0000
                                  Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 04:37 -0700
                              Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-21 16:49 -0700
    Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? larry harson <larryharson66@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 14:04 -0700
      Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-15 19:00 -0700
        Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2022-10-16 11:14 -0700
          Re: Why Does the Metric contain a minus sign? Everet Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii> - 2022-10-16 18:20 +0000

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#593617

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2022-10-17 10:38 -0700
Message-ID<5ig02j-r2c3.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#593616
In sci.physics Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> wrote:
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>>>>> You are so very far out of your league...
>>>> 
>>>> You are projecting again.
>>> 
>>> I can't even remember I saw another taking a Bachelor degree twice. You
>>> may take a Master, in order to change the direction for a PhD. You must
>>> be a fucking liar or an idiot. You didn't passed the first bachelor
>>> exam, you idiot.
>> 
>> That is because you are the idiot.
>> 
>> LOTS of people get dual BS degrees and there is no such thing as a
>> "bachelor exam".
> 
> you are fucking imbecile. It's something called *final_thesis*, idiot. Plus 
> many others along the road. Then you come up with nothing to this 
> discussion. A BSc is recap high school physics starting from zero, idiot. 
> What an idiot.

Your ignorance is showing, commrade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis

In the western world, college physics is NOT a recap of high school
physics.


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#593619

FromJoaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co>
Date2022-10-17 18:43 +0000
Message-ID<tik7nu$3glkj$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#593617
Jim Pennino wrote:

>>>> I can't even remember I saw another taking a Bachelor degree twice.
>>>> You may take a Master, in order to change the direction for a PhD.
>>>> You must be a fucking liar or an idiot. You didn't passed the first
>>>> bachelor exam, you idiot.
>>> 
>>> That is because you are the idiot.
>>> 
>>> LOTS of people get dual BS degrees and there is no such thing as a
>>> "bachelor exam".
>> 
>> you are fucking imbecile. It's something called *final_thesis*, idiot.
>> Plus many others along the road. Then you come up with nothing to this
>> discussion. A BSc is recap high school physics starting from zero,
>> idiot. What an idiot.
> 
> Your ignorance is showing, commrade.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis
> 
> In the western world, college physics is NOT a recap of high school
> physics.

it is. I am telling you for sure, you fucking idiot. I am teaching BSc 
level, rarely however. You fucking unqualified imbecile.

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#593622

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2022-10-17 12:19 -0700
Message-ID<fem02j-d1p3.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#593619
In sci.physics Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> wrote:
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>>>>> I can't even remember I saw another taking a Bachelor degree twice.
>>>>> You may take a Master, in order to change the direction for a PhD.
>>>>> You must be a fucking liar or an idiot. You didn't passed the first
>>>>> bachelor exam, you idiot.
>>>> 
>>>> That is because you are the idiot.
>>>> 
>>>> LOTS of people get dual BS degrees and there is no such thing as a
>>>> "bachelor exam".
>>> 
>>> you are fucking imbecile. It's something called *final_thesis*, idiot.
>>> Plus many others along the road. Then you come up with nothing to this
>>> discussion. A BSc is recap high school physics starting from zero,
>>> idiot. What an idiot.
>> 
>> Your ignorance is showing, commrade.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis
>> 
>> In the western world, college physics is NOT a recap of high school
>> physics.
> 
> it is. I am telling you for sure, you fucking idiot. I am teaching BSc 
> level, rarely however. You fucking unqualified imbecile.

Repeating your ignorant nonsense over and over doesn't make it true,
commrade.

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#593620

FromJoaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co>
Date2022-10-17 18:48 +0000
Message-ID<tik81s$3glkj$2@dont-email.me>
In reply to#593617
Jim Pennino wrote:

>>> LOTS of people get dual BS degrees and there is no such thing as a
>>> "bachelor exam".
>> 
>> you are fucking imbecile. It's something called *final_thesis*, idiot.
>> Plus many others along the road. Then you come up with nothing to this
>> discussion. A BSc is recap high school physics starting from zero,
>> idiot. What an idiot.
> 
> Your ignorance is showing, commrade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis
> In the western world, college physics is NOT a recap of high school
> physics.

you fucking know nothing imbecile

Germany
In Germany, an academic thesis is called Abschlussarbeit or, more 
specifically, the basic name of the degree complemented by -arbeit (rough 
translation: -work; e.g., Diplomarbeit, Masterarbeit, Doktorarbeit). For 
bachelor's and master's degrees, the name can alternatively be complemented 
by -thesis instead (e.g., Bachelorthesis). 

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#593621

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2022-10-17 12:20 -0700
Message-ID<0hm02j-d1p3.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#593620
In sci.physics Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> wrote:
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>>>> LOTS of people get dual BS degrees and there is no such thing as a
>>>> "bachelor exam".
>>> 
>>> you are fucking imbecile. It's something called *final_thesis*, idiot.
>>> Plus many others along the road. Then you come up with nothing to this
>>> discussion. A BSc is recap high school physics starting from zero,
>>> idiot. What an idiot.
>> 
>> Your ignorance is showing, commrade. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis
>> In the western world, college physics is NOT a recap of high school
>> physics.
> 
> you fucking know nothing imbecile
> 
> Germany
> In Germany, an academic thesis is called Abschlussarbeit

No one cares, commrade.

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#593624

FromJoaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co>
Date2022-10-17 20:08 +0000
Message-ID<tikcne$3h4ad$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#593621
Jim Pennino wrote:

>>> Your ignorance is showing, commrade.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis In the western world, college
>>> physics is NOT a recap of high school physics.
>> 
>> you fucking know nothing imbecile
>> 
>> Germany In Germany, an academic thesis is called Abschlussarbeit
> 
> No one cares, commrade.

you can't even fucking read, idiot. Your own link, fucking stupid. One more 
time, idiot.

Germany In Germany, an academic thesis is called Abschlussarbeit or, more
specifically, the basic name of the degree complemented by -arbeit (rough
translation: -work; e.g., Diplomarbeit, Masterarbeit, Doktorarbeit). For
bachelor's and master's degrees, the name can alternatively be
complemented by -thesis instead (e.g., Bachelorthesis).

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#593627

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2022-10-17 14:22 -0700
Message-ID<ilt02j-pp14.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#593624
In sci.physics Joaquin Cuocco <cicu@acacqjuc.co> wrote:
> Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>>>> Your ignorance is showing, commrade.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis In the western world, college
>>>> physics is NOT a recap of high school physics.
>>> 
>>> you fucking know nothing imbecile
>>> 
>>> Germany In Germany, an academic thesis is called Abschlussarbeit
>> 
>> No one cares, commrade.
> 
> you can't even fucking read, idiot. Your own link, fucking stupid. One more 
> time, idiot.
> 
> Germany In Germany, an academic thesis is called Abschlussarbeit

No one cares, commrade.

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#593452

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-10-15 02:33 +0200
Message-ID<3227868.44csPzL39Z@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#593445
Woodrow Adessi wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> I have a BSc in CS (so, unlike you, I know what I am talking about
>> regarding that field, too), and I have been working as a professional
>> software developer for ca. 20 years.  Currently I am working on my
>> second BSc degree,
> 
> what "professional software developer", […]

Look it up.

> […] a BSc program is the same as high school physics.

Maybe where you live, but where I live it most definitely is not.


PointedEars
-- 
Q: What did the nuclear physicist post on the laboratory door
   when he went camping?  
A: 'Gone fission'.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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#593455

Fromrotchm <rotchm@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-14 17:40 -0700
Message-ID<089f1614-ce54-42d3-9f9e-b5d73de3b335n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#593452
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:33:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Woodrow Adessi wrote: 

> > what "professional software developer", […] 
> 
> Look it up. 

DO NOT STROKE THE TROLLS.

You got got.

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#593465

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-10-14 21:44 -0500
Message-ID<jqul3qF1ar7U5@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#593455
On 10/14/2022 7:40 PM, rotchm wrote:
> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:33:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Woodrow Adessi wrote:
> 
>>> what "professional software developer", […]
>>
>> Look it up.
> 
> DO NOT STROKE THE TROLLS.
> 
> You got got.

And the rest of the time he is got by his own attempts to be relevant.

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#593503 — Re: yet another lurking imbecile *rotchm* uneducated and unskilled like hell

FromEveret Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii>
Date2022-10-15 18:18 +0000
SubjectRe: yet another lurking imbecile *rotchm* uneducated and unskilled like hell
Message-ID<tieti9$2rtn0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#593455
yet another lurking imbecile *rotchm* uneducated and unskilled like hell:

> On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 8:33:42 PM UTC-4, Thomas 'PointedEars'
> Lahn wrote:
>> Woodrow Adessi wrote:
> 
>> > what "professional software developer", […]
>> 
>> Look it up.
> 
> DO NOT STROKE THE TROLLS. You got got.

yet another lurking troll, crackpot imbecile, uneducated and unskilled like 
hell.

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#593439

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-10-14 23:41 +0200
Message-ID<2147182.irdbgypaU6@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#593426
[Quotation trimmed; please read 
<https://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>]

George Hammond wrote:

> [George E Hammond, MS physics, Hyannis MA]
> .... Thanks PointedEars for your brilliant pedagogical demonstration of
> the Lorentz transformation.

Thank you very much.  I consider that high praise coming from an MSc in 
Physics as I am only working on my BSc degree in that field.

This also puzzles me, though.  If you are who you say you are, then you 
should know all this.  Moreover, you should know that I have not at all 
demonstrated the Lorentz transformation, but – as I just said – showed a way 
to derive the _Minkowski metric_ (which the Lorentz transformation just 
satisfies as the metric was developed afterwards by Minkowski).

> .... Am I behind the times or something? –

Regarding computing that is apparently so.

> we never used to be able to write "exponents" on USENET instead had to
> write x^2 in ASCII. ....How did you manage to post those algebraic
> equations on sci.physics.relativity ?

Unicode formally exists since 1991, has been having support by operating 
systems for quite some time now, and has official support in NetNews 
messages since 2009 through the requirement of MIME support in RFC 5536 
(current status: Proposed Standard).  7-bit data lines are few and far in-
between now, and even with those MIME allows to encode non-ASCII characters.  
However, even character encodings and sets that predate Unicode, like 
ISO/IEC 8859-1 and Windows-1252 (“ISO-8859-1”) already contain the 
characters “²” and “³”.

In this case in particular the X Keyboard Extension, built-in to the X 
Window System, allowed me to type “^” followed by “2” to type easily the 
Unicode character “²” on GNU+Linux.  There are other ways for other, even 
more widely distributed consumer operating systems.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_8859-1>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/Windows-1252
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/X_Keyboard_Extension>

With that said, nowadays there are newsreaders like Mozilla Thunderbird 
which convert some ASCII character sequences, like “^2”, to their Unicode 
equivalent or at least a typographically adequate form, for the display of 
messages.

I have even written a user script to convert some character sequences to 
Unicode characters in Google Groups (which you are using, but I recommend 
against using because it is technically flawed) automagically.

Finally, as Google Groups is a *Web* interface, it should not surprise you 
at all to see Unicode characters being displayed *there* as HTML has had 
official Unicode support since 1999.


PointedEars
-- 
Q: How many theoretical physicists specializing in general relativity
   does it take to change a light bulb?  
A: Two: one to hold the bulb and one to rotate the universe.
(from: WolframAlpha)

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#593456

FromGeorge Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-14 18:04 -0700
Message-ID<96696fd0-2ec1-4650-aa54-e409ff1ff5d2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#593439
[PointedEars]
> In this case in particular the X Keyboard Extension, built-in to the X 
> Window System, allowed me to type “^” followed by “2” to type easily the 
> Unicode character “²” on GNU+Linux. There are other ways for other, even 
> more widely distributed consumer operating systems. 
> 
[George Hammond]
... Okay, following your instructions above, I'm going to try it below: –
.
X"^""2"
X "^" "3"
X "^" "y"
.
Let's see what happens: –  maybe the Google groups interface will
followed up or something?
George

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#593457

FromGeorge Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-14 18:08 -0700
Message-ID<1cd8781e-6b61-4b0c-b1a4-7802ae1b76aen@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#593456
On Friday, October 14, 2022 at 9:04:34 PM UTC-4, George Hammond wrote:
> [PointedEars]
> > In this case in particular the X Keyboard Extension, built-in to the X 
> > Window System, allowed me to type “^” followed by “2” to type easily the 
> > Unicode character “²” on GNU+Linux. There are other ways for other, even 
> > more widely distributed consumer operating systems. 
> >
> [George Hammond] 
> ... Okay, following your instructions above, I'm going to try it below: – 
> . 
> X"^""2" 
> X "^" "3" 
> X "^" "y" 
> . 
> Let's see what happens: – maybe the Google groups interface will 
> followed up or something? 
> George
.
[George Hammond]
Well, it doesn't work on a Windows 10 (HP) computer – guess it only works on
Linux or something – damn !
George

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#593459

FromGeorge Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com>
Date2022-10-14 18:36 -0700
Message-ID<b3a17bd3-41f7-4d28-995a-9af587481cc1n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#593457
> . 
> [George Hammond] 
> Well, it doesn't work on a Windows 10 (HP) computer – guess it only works on 
> Linux or something – damn ! 
> George
.
[George Hammond]
....Hmmm – wonder what would happen if I cut and pasted your "exponent" equation?
'
c² dt² − dx² − dy² − dz² = 0
.
Let's see if that comes through?
George

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#593458

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-10-15 03:35 +0200
Message-ID<7467158.EvYhyI6sBW@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#593456
George Hammond wrote:

> [PointedEars]
>> In this case in particular the X Keyboard Extension, built-in to the X
>> Window System, allowed me to type “^” followed by “2” to type easily the
>> Unicode character “²” on GNU+Linux. There are other ways for other, even
>> more widely distributed consumer operating systems.
>> 
> [George Hammond]
> ... Okay, following your instructions above, I'm going to try it below: –
> .
> X"^""2"
> X "^" "3"
> X "^" "y"
> .
> Let's see what happens: –  maybe the Google groups interface will
> followed up or something?

Apparently I have not been clear enough.

You have to distinguish between the typing and submission of actual 
characters (even if they are only injected into NetNews in an encoded form), 
which is decided and can usually be viewed *before* submission at the client 
computer (that happened in my case), and the interpretation of character 
*sequences* in a *submitted* message that is *displayed* by the client 
software.

I put the markings of the *keys* to be *pressed* in succession for the 
former *with XKB* in quotation marks above.

Google Groups as-is is not converting character sequences (and the default 
display uses a variable-width font, which is unsuitable for Usenet; one of 
many reasons to use nreasreader software Thunderbird instead), but they 
could be fixed if you used the unreleased version of my user script (and it 
would work with the current version of Google Groups – I have to find out 
where the bug is before I can publish it).

The current release which has (had?) only basic features can be found here:

<https://github.com/PointedEars/userscripts#ggformatteruserjs>

(At the very least you have to use "html-blob" for the “selector” variable 
instead now.)


PointedEars
-- 
Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy?  
A: They get Bohr'ed.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#593463

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-10-14 21:40 -0500
Message-ID<jqukstF1ar7U3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#593458
On 10/14/2022 8:35 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> George Hammond wrote:
> 
>> [PointedEars]
>>> In this case in particular the X Keyboard Extension, built-in to the X
>>> Window System, allowed me to type “^” followed by “2” to type easily the
>>> Unicode character “²” on GNU+Linux. There are other ways for other, even
>>> more widely distributed consumer operating systems.
>>>
>> [George Hammond]
>> ... Okay, following your instructions above, I'm going to try it below: –
>> .
>> X"^""2"
>> X "^" "3"
>> X "^" "y"
>> .
>> Let's see what happens: –  maybe the Google groups interface will
>> followed up or something?
> 
> Apparently I have not been clear enough.


Stick to your trade.


> You have to distinguish between the typing and submission of actual
> characters (even if they are only injected into NetNews in an encoded form),
> which is decided and can usually be viewed *before* submission at the client
> computer (that happened in my case), and the interpretation of character
> *sequences* in a *submitted* message that is *displayed* by the client
> software.
> 
> I put the markings of the *keys* to be *pressed* in succession for the
> former *with XKB* in quotation marks above.
> 
> Google Groups as-is is not converting character sequences (and the default
> display uses a variable-width font, which is unsuitable for Usenet; one of
> many reasons to use nreasreader software Thunderbird instead), but they
> could be fixed if you used the unreleased version of my user script (and it
> would work with the current version of Google Groups – I have to find out
> where the bug is before I can publish it).
> 
> The current release which has (had?) only basic features can be found here:
> 
> <https://github.com/PointedEars/userscripts#ggformatteruserjs>
> 
> (At the very least you have to use "html-blob" for the “selector” variable
> instead now.)
> 
> 
> PointedEars

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#593497

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-10-15 19:54 +0200
Message-ID<9035196.CDJkKcVGEf@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#593463
whodat wrote:

> On 10/14/2022 8:35 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Apparently I have not been clear enough.
> 
> Stick to your trade.

Apparently you have missed the part where I said that I am
a computer scientist and software developer, too.

You should work on that attention span problem of yours.
 

PointedEars
-- 
Q: What happens when electrons lose their energy?  
A: They get Bohr'ed.

(from: WolframAlpha)

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#593501 — Re: the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his mouth again

FromEveret Baldini <rvia@nildiden.ii>
Date2022-10-15 18:10 +0000
SubjectRe: the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his mouth again
Message-ID<tiet2h$2rs4j$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#593497
the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his 
mouth again:

> whodat wrote:
> 
>> On 10/14/2022 8:35 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Apparently I have not been clear enough.
>> 
>> Stick to your trade.
> 
> Apparently you have missed the part where I said that I am a computer
> scientist and software developer, too.

the lurking imbecile putting the foot in his mouth again. What kind of 
"scientist" are you, fucking stupid, not even an engineer, knowing nothing 
about Numerical Analysis, Math Modeling, Scientific Computations, Schemes, 
Recipes, Algorithms and such. You fucking uneducated and unskilled idiot.

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#593514 — Re: the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his mouth again

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2022-10-15 14:04 -0500
SubjectRe: the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his mouth again
Message-ID<jr0ehgF9klsU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#593501
On 10/15/2022 1:10 PM, Everet Baldini wrote:
> the lurking imbecile *Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn* putting the foot in his
> mouth again:
> 
>> whodat wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/14/2022 8:35 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Apparently I have not been clear enough.
>>>
>>> Stick to your trade.
>>
>> Apparently you have missed the part where I said that I am a computer
>> scientist and software developer, too.
> 
> the lurking imbecile putting the foot in his mouth again. What kind of
> "scientist" are you, fucking stupid, not even an engineer, knowing nothing
> about Numerical Analysis, Math Modeling, Scientific Computations, Schemes,
> Recipes, Algorithms and such. You fucking uneducated and unskilled idiot.

Hotel and high rise janitors call themselves "engineer" as do street
sweepers. Something similar is at work here.

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