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  Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-12 14:17 -0700
    Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-12 20:12 -0400
      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-13 01:56 +0100
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 18:42 -0700
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 19:45 -0700
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2026-03-12 21:39 -0500
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-12 22:58 -0400
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-13 05:53 +0100
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-13 01:17 -0400
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-13 15:02 +0100
            Re: Oppenheimer (was Re: Does Iran have nuclear weapons?) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-03-13 05:22 +0000
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-16 05:59 -0700
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 15:45 +0100
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-13 08:46 -0700
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-16 05:01 -0700
      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2026-03-16 23:13 -0600
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. "chine.bleu" <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-17 00:50 -0700
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-17 01:36 -0700
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-17 02:05 -0700
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-17 09:04 -0700
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-17 10:49 -0700
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-18 18:09 +0000
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 11:19 -0700
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-03-19 04:07 -0400
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:25 -0700
                Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 07:07 -0700
                  Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 07:21 -0700
                    Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 07:37 -0700
                    Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 09:14 -0700
                Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 09:24 -0700
                  Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No. Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 11:37 -0700
      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Pops Tart <fas@hotmail.edu> - 2026-03-18 20:31 +0000
    Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-13 00:55 -0700
      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-18 22:26 -0700
      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-22 21:39 -0700
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-23 10:24 -0700
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Stepen Makhaev <eekt@pevs.ru> - 2026-03-23 17:29 +0000
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-23 10:34 -0700
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 11:42 -0700
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-23 21:51 +0100
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Iry Anabelle <narl@larelbe.com> - 2026-03-23 21:16 +0000
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-23 22:15 -0700
                Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Cash Taketomo <hhea@hhaaa.jp> - 2026-03-24 13:16 +0000
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-23 18:10 -0700
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-23 22:25 -0700
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Vern Bagishaev <sge@vv.ru> - 2026-03-24 13:22 +0000
                Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-24 14:06 -0700
                  Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Rodrick Kreskas <dckor@oii.gr> - 2026-03-24 21:48 +0000
        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-27 23:09 -0700
          Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-28 00:16 -0700
            Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-31 09:56 -0700
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 10:16 -0700
                Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-31 11:47 -0700
                  Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 13:42 -0700
                    Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 14:28 -0700
                      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 02:07 -0700
                        Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 09:31 -0700
              Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-03-31 17:25 +0000
                Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-31 11:51 -0700
                Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-04-01 02:27 +0200
    Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-13 09:22 -0700
      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-15 12:30 -0700
      Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? x <x@x.net> - 2026-03-16 07:13 -0700

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#669740 — Do Iran have nuclear weapons?

I don't understand or never understood what is all dis talk about
Iran having or not having nuclear weapons.

Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
bomb very easily.

(shipping cost not included)

Russia has thousands of nuclear bombs and can easily tell Iran, "Hey
stupid, you wanna buy one?"



I don't understand or never understood what is all dis talk about
Iran having or not having nuclear weapons. 



"A single bomb of this

type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy

the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However,

such bombs might very well prove to be too heavy for transportation by

air."--Albert Einstein


Hell, even Israel would sell one to Iran!



"Hillary Clinton sold roughly 20 percent of America’s uranium supply to
Russia in exchange for $145 million in donations to the Clinton
Foundation." 


Does Amazon drones deliver to Iran???? 






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#669746

On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
> I don't understand or never understood what is all dis talk about
> Iran having or not having nuclear weapons.
> 
> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
> bomb very easily.
> 
> (shipping cost not included)
> 
> Russia has thousands of nuclear bombs and can easily tell Iran, "Hey
> stupid, you wanna buy one?"
> 

> I don't understand or never understood what is all dis talk about
> Iran having or not having nuclear weapons.
> 
> "A single bomb of this
> 
> type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy
> 
> the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory. However,
> 
> such bombs might very well prove to be too heavy for transportation by
> 
> air."--Albert Einstein
> 
> Hell, even Israel would sell one to Iran!
> 
> "Hillary Clinton sold roughly 20 percent of America’s uranium supply to
> Russia in exchange for $145 million in donations to the Clinton
> Foundation."
> 
> 
> Does Amazon drones deliver to Iran????


   IF you have the uranium, enriched to maybe 75% plus,
   you can make a basic 1945 fission bomb. It's old tech.

   Iran was doing a lot of super-secret stuff outsiders
   didn't know about for YEARS. They had plenty of time
   to make SOME high-quality uranium - enough for half
   a dozen bombs or so fer sure. Their motivation was
   very high.

   Iran was a co-developer for N.Korea's nukes - so the
   sci/tech expertise IS there.

   Iran is a large mountainous country, hiding development
   facilities, esp in the northeast, would be possible.

   Russia won't deliberately sell Iran bombs. However when
   the USSR went down much of the military was basically
   starving - and DID sell stuff to whomever had any cash
   and nobody was keeping records. Some actual bombs, or
   plutonium pits, could have been had.

   Hillary ... what a disaster !

   Iran's main problem even if it has a handful of nukes
   is reliably delivering them onto targets. It has no
   B-52s, its cargo planes draw attention, it's drones are
   too small, it's navy is gone and its rockets are almost
   all shot down.

   So, yea, they'd almost have to send them via a freight
   service - there was a realistic (pre-woke) Scientific
   American article about that after 9-11. Is possible to
   hide any radiation signature. However hands-off on
   something as precious as a nuclear weapon ... I doubt
   the mullahs would wanna go for that.

   So, panel truck or ox-cart all the way to Tel Aviv ?
   Slow boat to NY harbor ? Dead crude, but it CAN work.
   "Vengeance" is an important part of the old religions,
   so that may be motive enough. Politicians would not
   go that way, but old-school FANATICS would.

   So, keep yer eyes open, maybe for a long time.

   Some of today's death feuds between middle-eastern
   factions date back 1000+ years ... maybe somebody
   stole Uncle Ali's favorite goat ....

   Best weapon ... use those feuds ... manipulate faction
   against faction against faction. They'll be so busy
   killing the guys next door they won't have time for
   anything else.

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#669748

c186282 wrote:
> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>> bomb very easily.

He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
and sent), and has never worked on one.

The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got clearance
to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military Intelligence
he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.  (He
did consider himself a pacifist.)

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#669749

On 03/12/2026 05:56 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>> bomb very easily.
>
> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
> and sent), and has never worked on one.
>
> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
> instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got clearance
> to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military Intelligence
> he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.  (He
> did consider himself a pacifist.)
>

Usual idea is just a ball of fissile material and implosion in a casing.

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#669751

On 03/12/2026 06:42 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 03/12/2026 05:56 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>>> bomb very easily.
>>
>> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
>> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
>> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was
>> written
>> and sent), and has never worked on one.
>>
>> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
>> instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got
>> clearance
>> to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military
>> Intelligence
>> he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.
>> (He
>> did consider himself a pacifist.)
>>
>
> Usual idea is just a ball of fissile material and implosion in a casing.
>
>

Of course, as Einstein put it: "We won't know with what weapons...."

The point of his quote was that it's a bad idea,
anyways biological warfare can be a lot more specific.

"Herf the Earth" is an old-fashioned idea.

The "H-bombs" then are a bit more involved.

The old "loose nukes in the Ukraine" has that
it's pretty ugly the "loose nooses in the Knesset".


I'm not a communist, and not a fascist,
and I'm against anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syhdicalism.


Ways to approach the Malthusian dilemma and contention
for resources, hard to figure.


I don't go around sneak-attacking people, though.



Anyways I hope the plan for US to buy back all its bonds
on the sly then default on itself and write it off goes
alright. The corporations keep buying themselves their
stock back holding up the prices in their shell games,
yet the private credit is falling underneath them,
so eventually grandpa is going to wake up and walk
down to the bank and buy or sell.

Probably depends on his mood that day.

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#669750

No but rogue nation Israel has nuclear weapons and doesn't acknowledge 
it. They haven't signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty like every 
other nuclear capable country.

When you don't have nuclear weapons you're vulnerable to being attacked 
by aggressive countries, e.g. Russia/Ukraine.

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#669752

On 3/12/26 20:56, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>> bomb very easily.
> 
> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
> and sent), and has never worked on one.

   Quite correct ... and indeed he was only JUST so
   involved with the Manhattan Project. The exact
   tech involved with the bombs was done more by
   'experimental' physicists and savvy engineers,
   hands-on people.

> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
> instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got clearance
> to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military Intelligence
> he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.  (He
> did consider himself a pacifist.)

   Being seen as a Marxist sympathizer was bad even that
   far back. Somewhat like Iran, the Russian commies sent
   out 'jihadis' to spy and stir up trouble almost as soon
   as the revolution had ended.

   Nothing wrong with being a 'pacifist' ... that's civil ...
   but there are also "passive-ists" which encourage paralysis
   and then outright commie operatives.

   Einie was still enough respected however that when he
   signed the nuclear warning letter to FDR it got top
   attention. I think it was Slizard who actually realized
   how to do a runaway fission reaction, but he wasn't well
   known enough to get Federal attention.

   It is claimed that Slizard, on an early-morning walk,
   saw how little dew drops on store windows would slide
   down and combine to make larger and larger drops promptly.
   The Prepared Mind. He also realized that if HE could get
   this idea then NAZIs could as well. Fortunately the NAZI
   program went down some false roads (sabotage ?). The nearest
   thing to a 'reactor' was some apparently un-enriched uranium
   cubes hanging from strings (seen pix). Some became paper-weights.

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#669753

c186282 wrote:
^^^^^^^
Your real name belongs there.

> On 3/12/26 20:56, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>>> bomb very easily.
>>
>> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
>> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
>> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
>> and sent), and has never worked on one.
> 
>    Quite correct ... and indeed he was only JUST so
>    involved with the Manhattan Project. The exact
>    tech involved with the bombs was done more by
>    'experimental' physicists and savvy engineers,
>    hands-on people.

Oppenheimer was a theoretical physicist as well, so were many members of his
team, like Bloch and Teller.  But not only: For example, Bethe was a nuclear
physicist, arguably an experimental one, and Teller ("the father of the
hydrogen bomb") was also a chemical engineer.

>> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
>> instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got clearance
>> to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military Intelligence
>> he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.  (He
>> did consider himself a pacifist.)
> 
>    Being seen as a Marxist sympathizer was bad even that
>    far back. 

I do not know that Einstein was a sympathetic or a supporter of Marxism.

>    Somewhat like Iran, the Russian commies sent
>    out 'jihadis' to spy and stir up trouble almost as soon
>    as the revolution had ended.

It was the Cold War: each side attempted to convince the other of their
ideology.  Disparaging communists by calling them "commies" indicates a
biased view on history.

>    Einie was still enough respected however that when he
>    signed the nuclear warning letter to FDR it got top
>    attention. I think it was Slizard who actually realized

Leó _Szilárd_

>    how to do a runaway fission reaction,

That is correct.

>    but he wasn't well known enough to get Federal attention.

Maybe.

>    It is claimed that Slizard, on an early-morning walk,
>    saw how little dew drops on store windows would slide
>    down and combine to make larger and larger drops promptly.

There is no evidence to support this story.

Here is the actual story:

<https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/the-curious-wavefunction/leo-szilard-a-traffic-light-and-a-slice-of-nuclear-history/>

>    The Prepared Mind. He also realized that if HE could get
>    this idea then NAZIs could as well. Fortunately the NAZI
>    program

"Nazi" is an abbreviation, not an acronym.

>    went down some false roads (sabotage ?). 

Conspiracy theory.

-- 
PointedEars

Twitter: @PointedEars2
Please do not cc me. / Bitte keine Kopien per E-Mail.

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#669754

On 3/13/26 00:53, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> ^^^^^^^
> Your real name belongs there.
> 
>> On 3/12/26 20:56, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>>>> bomb very easily.
>>>
>>> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
>>> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
>>> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
>>> and sent), and has never worked on one.
>>
>>     Quite correct ... and indeed he was only JUST so
>>     involved with the Manhattan Project. The exact
>>     tech involved with the bombs was done more by
>>     'experimental' physicists and savvy engineers,
>>     hands-on people.
> 
> Oppenheimer was a theoretical physicist as well, so were many members of his
> team, like Bloch and Teller.  But not only: For example, Bethe was a nuclear
> physicist, arguably an experimental one, and Teller ("the father of the
> hydrogen bomb") was also a chemical engineer.
> 
>>> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
>>> instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got clearance
>>> to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military Intelligence
>>> he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.  (He
>>> did consider himself a pacifist.)
>>
>>     Being seen as a Marxist sympathizer was bad even that
>>     far back.
> 
> I do not know that Einstein was a sympathetic or a supporter of Marxism.


   He wasn't ... BUT if you're not an enthusiastic
   imperial capitalist then, well, it might be
   *assumed* you're a Marxist. We're almost back
   to that black and white thinking now.


>>     Somewhat like Iran, the Russian commies sent
>>     out 'jihadis' to spy and stir up trouble almost as soon
>>     as the revolution had ended.
> 
> It was the Cold War: each side attempted to convince the other of their
> ideology.  Disparaging communists by calling them "commies" indicates a
> biased view on history.

   Well, Russian fanatics were busy even in the 1920s, long
   before the 'cold war'. It was their 'jihad'.

>>     Einie was still enough respected however that when he
>>     signed the nuclear warning letter to FDR it got top
>>     attention. I think it was Slizard who actually realized
> 
> Leó _Szilárd_

   Funky spelling !  :-)

>>     how to do a runaway fission reaction,
> 
> That is correct.
> 
>>     but he wasn't well known enough to get Federal attention.
> 
> Maybe.

   He was notable in academic circles, but was not
   a 'celebrity scientist' like Einstein. Getting
   Einstein's sig on that document was vital.

>>     It is claimed that Slizard, on an early-morning walk,
>>     saw how little dew drops on store windows would slide
>>     down and combine to make larger and larger drops promptly.
> 
> There is no evidence to support this story.

   It's ONE story I heard.

> Here is the actual story:
> 
> <https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/the-curious-wavefunction/leo-szilard-a-traffic-light-and-a-slice-of-nuclear-history/>

   Traffic light ???

   Actually the accumulating droplets thing sounds
   much more a pattern for a runaway chain reaction.

   We may never know. Some of this stuff is STILL
   buried in "Top Secret" files.

>>     The Prepared Mind. He also realized that if HE could get
>>     this idea then NAZIs could as well. Fortunately the NAZI
>>     program
> 
> "Nazi" is an abbreviation, not an acronym.

   Not outside Germany - indeed it's a proper noun.

>>     went down some false roads (sabotage ?).
> 
> Conspiracy theory.

   Umm ... maybe. However those working for Hitler were
   also top-notch - so good that they SHOULD have grasped
   the secret. Also smart enough so nobody else would
   understand if they were sabotaging the program. However,
   if so, it can NEVER be confirmed ... even to this day
   their relatives would be hounded and worse as traitors.

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#669772

c186282 wrote:
^^^^^^^
Your real name belongs there.  Or am I just wasting my time by talking to a bot?

> On 3/13/26 00:53, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>> On 3/12/26 20:56, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>>>>> bomb very easily.
>>>>
>>>> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
>>>> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
>>>> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
>>>> and sent), and has never worked on one.
>>>
>>>     Quite correct ... and indeed he was only JUST so
>>>     involved with the Manhattan Project. The exact
>>>     tech involved with the bombs was done more by
>>>     'experimental' physicists and savvy engineers,
>>>     hands-on people.
>>
>> Oppenheimer was a theoretical physicist as well, so were many members of his
>> team, like Bloch and Teller.  But not only: For example, Bethe was a nuclear
>> physicist, arguably an experimental one, and Teller ("the father of the
>> hydrogen bomb") was also a chemical engineer.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You ought not quote that which you do not refer to, like this paragraphs.
Full quotes like you did again are unacceptable spam.  You may do that in
business e-mails, but not in Usenet.

<https://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html>

As you can also learn there, you should not indent your texts by default.

>>>     Being seen as a Marxist sympathizer was bad even that
>>>     far back.
>> I do not know that Einstein was a sympathetic or a supporter of Marxism.
> 
>    He wasn't ... BUT if you're not an enthusiastic
>    imperial capitalist then, well, it might be
>    *assumed* you're a Marxist. We're almost back
>    to that black and white thinking now.

Fair enough.

>>>     Somewhat like Iran, the Russian commies sent
>>>     out 'jihadis' to spy and stir up trouble almost as soon
>>>     as the revolution had ended.
>>
>> It was the Cold War: each side attempted to convince the other of their
>> ideology.  Disparaging communists by calling them "commies" indicates a
>> biased view on history.
> 
>    Well, Russian fanatics were busy even in the 1920s, long
>    before the 'cold war'. It was their 'jihad'.

I strongly suggest that you read

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_revisionism>

to check your preconceptions.

>>>     Einie was still enough respected however that when he
>>>     signed the nuclear warning letter to FDR it got top
>>>     attention. I think it was Slizard who actually realized
>>
>> Leó _Szilárd_
> 
>    Funky spelling !  :-)

He was Hungarian by birth.  Curiously, his family changed the family name
from the German "Spitz" (meaning "pointed"; no relation ;-)) to somewhat
of the Hungarian equivalent ("szilárd" means "solid") *after* his birth.

See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_surname#History>

>>>     but [Szilárd] wasn't well known enough to get Federal attention.
>>
>> Maybe.
> 
>    He was notable in academic circles, but was not
>    a 'celebrity scientist' like Einstein. Getting
>    Einstein's sig on that document was vital.

Maybe.

>>>     It is claimed that Slizard, on an early-morning walk,
>>>     saw how little dew drops on store windows would slide
>>>     down and combine to make larger and larger drops promptly.
>>
>> There is no evidence to support this story.
> 
>    It's ONE story I heard.
> 
>> Here is the actual story:
>>
>> <https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/the-curious-wavefunction/leo-szilard-a-traffic-light-and-a-slice-of-nuclear-history/>
> 
>    Traffic light ???

Read it carefully.

>    Actually the accumulating droplets thing sounds
>    much more a pattern for a runaway chain reaction.
> 
>    We may never know. Some of this stuff is STILL
>    buried in "Top Secret" files.

Nonsense.

>>>     The Prepared Mind. He also realized that if HE could get
>>>     this idea then NAZIs could as well. Fortunately the NAZI
>>>     program
>>
>> "Nazi" is an abbreviation, not an acronym.
> 
>    Not outside Germany -

First of all, German is spoken in more countries than just (today's)
(Federal Republic of) Germany.  In fact, a variant of German (Pennsylvania
Dutch) is even spoken in the (eastern) USA.  Educate yourself:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language#Geographical_distribution>

Second, you are wrong.  Look it up, e.g. here:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism>

> indeed it's a proper noun.

Not like you wrote it.  The reason is that the "A", "Z", and "I"
have no separate meanings; they are NOT the initials of words.

IOW, it is NOT an *acronym*.

Acronyms can become abbreviations later; for example "laser" was originally
written "LASER", meaning "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of
Radiation".

But an abbreviation that was not already an acronym never becomes an acronym
later.  So you are simply wrong.

>>>     went down some false roads (sabotage ?).
>>
>> Conspiracy theory.
> 
> [..]
>    if so, it can NEVER be confirmed ... even to this day
>    their relatives would be hounded and worse as traitors.

Utter nonsense, as someone probably has explained to you before.

Will you ever *learn*?

F'up2 <news:sci.physics.relativity>

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#669755 — Re: Oppenheimer (was Re: Does Iran have nuclear weapons?)

On Fri, 13 Mar 2026 05:53:08 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Oppenheimer was a theoretical physicist as well ...

Not a very good one, according to his peers. They made jokes about
“Oppenheimer factors” that tended to pop up in his equations --
namely, wrong signs, like a plus instead of a minus on certain terms.

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#669949

On 3/12/26 21:53, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
> ^^^^^^^
> Your real name belongs there.
> 
>> On 3/12/26 20:56, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> c186282 wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>>>> bomb very easily.
>>>
>>> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
>>> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
>>> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
>>> and sent), and has never worked on one.
>>
>>     Quite correct ... and indeed he was only JUST so
>>     involved with the Manhattan Project. The exact
>>     tech involved with the bombs was done more by
>>     'experimental' physicists and savvy engineers,
>>     hands-on people.
> 
> Oppenheimer was a theoretical physicist as well, so were many members of his
> team, like Bloch and Teller.  But not only: For example, Bethe was a nuclear
> physicist, arguably an experimental one, and Teller ("the father of the
> hydrogen bomb") was also a chemical engineer.
> 
>>> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
>>> instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got clearance
>>> to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military Intelligence
>>> he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.  (He
>>> did consider himself a pacifist.)
>>
>>     Being seen as a Marxist sympathizer was bad even that
>>     far back.
> 
> I do not know that Einstein was a sympathetic or a supporter of Marxism.
> 
>>     Somewhat like Iran, the Russian commies sent
>>     out 'jihadis' to spy and stir up trouble almost as soon
>>     as the revolution had ended.
> 
> It was the Cold War: each side attempted to convince the other of their
> ideology.  Disparaging communists by calling them "commies" indicates a
> biased view on history.
> 
>>     Einie was still enough respected however that when he
>>     signed the nuclear warning letter to FDR it got top
>>     attention. I think it was Slizard who actually realized
> 
> Leó _Szilárd_
> 
>>     how to do a runaway fission reaction,
> 
> That is correct.
> 
>>     but he wasn't well known enough to get Federal attention.
> 
> Maybe.
> 
>>     It is claimed that Slizard, on an early-morning walk,
>>     saw how little dew drops on store windows would slide
>>     down and combine to make larger and larger drops promptly.
> 
> There is no evidence to support this story.
> 
> Here is the actual story:
> 
> <https://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/the-curious-wavefunction/leo-szilard-a-traffic-light-and-a-slice-of-nuclear-history/>
> 
>>     The Prepared Mind. He also realized that if HE could get
>>     this idea then NAZIs could as well. Fortunately the NAZI
>>     program
> 
> "Nazi" is an abbreviation, not an acronym.
> 
>>     went down some false roads (sabotage ?).
> 
> Conspiracy theory.

You know there is something in English called the
'Authorized' or 'King James' version of a book which
might have been a plagarism of something mass printed
by Gutenberg, but that was in another language.

At some point in time there was something called
'scribes' and the 'right to copy' was possibly
not even thought of because paying a scribe meant
copying a book was done in a different way than
mass printing after Gutenberg.

It is hard to say if 'a bunch of degenerate New
Yorkers' came up with another translation in the
1960s called the 'New International Version', but
I am thinking they are all dead by now, but I am
not sure and someone might argue that the process
of translation is still going on.

Anyway, in English the 'King James Version' at
Exodus 20:13 says 'Thou shalt not kill'.  Nonetheless
Exodus 20:13 in the 'New International Version says
'You shall not murder'.  Now to me, in English, there
seems to me something like a new loophole put in,
which has an overtone of 'government officials may
kill anyone that they feel like, based upon whim,
caprice, and random chance'.  Just a slight overtone,
but that is supposed to be a quote of someone or
something.

In a later part of the book if it has something called
a 'New Testament' in it, there is something called the
book of 'Acts'.  I have just reread the book of Acts
8:9-24.  Did someone named 'Simon Magus' exist?  There
seems to me to be a Wikipedia page on the name.  Did
any of the translators of the New International Version
imagine gifts from government officials if they
translated Exodus 20:13 slightly differently and that
swayed their translation?  Not sure.  Do all words have
no meaning because people keep thinking up loopholes
for everything if they want to do something?  Not sure.
Is 'all war is murder' an accurate viewpoint of the
'Quakers'?  Not sure of that either.  I have read the
'Hague Conventions' about 'war crimes' and 'international
law' if such ideas exist.  I think they had noble and
valid ideals.  I however think that the words 'all war
is murder' have a lot less loopholes.  Who really knows.
Maybe all words have no meaning anyway regardless of
the type of words, and people just keep thinking that
is not true when it actually is.  Who knows.
> 

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#669774

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:

> c186282 wrote:
> > On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
> >> bomb very easily.
> 
> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
> and sent), and has never worked on one.
> 
> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer

J. Robert Oppenheimer was another *theoretical* physicist,
who was as clueless as Einstein about
  'how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb',
at the time the Einstein--Szilard letter was written.

Oppenheimer was tasked with inventing the howto of it.
Or rather, with assembling and managing a team to do it.

> Einstein never got clearance to work on the Manhattan Project because by
> the U.S. Military Intelligence he was considered a left-leaning pacifist
> and therefore not reliable.  (He did consider himself a pacifist.)

Actually it was the FBI, under J. Edgar Hoover,
who tried to have him thrown out of the USA,
not just refusing him a clearance,

Jan

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#669783

J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote:
> 
> > c186282 wrote:
> > > On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
> > >> bomb very easily.
> >
> > He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
> > how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
> > possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
> > and sent), and has never worked on one.
> >
> > The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
> 
> J. Robert Oppenheimer was another *theoretical* physicist,
> who was as clueless as Einstein about
>   'how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb',
> at the time the Einstein--Szilard letter was written.
> 
> Oppenheimer was tasked with inventing the howto of it.
> Or rather, with assembling and managing a team to do it.
> 
> > Einstein never got clearance to work on the Manhattan Project because by
> > the U.S. Military Intelligence he was considered a left-leaning pacifist
> > and therefore not reliable.  (He did consider himself a pacifist.)
> 
> Actually it was the FBI, under J. Edgar Hoover,
> who tried to have him thrown out of the USA,
> not just refusing him a clearance,


It's amazing hows yous people keep repeating for decades
misinformation...

Eistein never got clearance because Einstein never requested clearance,
he does remote work...he doesn't like leaving his house.


(but all his communists friends amd spies got clearance including J.
Robert Oppenheimer confessed communists, and J. Robert Oppenheimer
confessed to
selling atomic secrets to the Russians)

They should have put J. Robert Oppenheimer in the electric chair with
the other commies.)





> 
> Jan

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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#669943

On 3/12/26 17:56, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
>> On 3/12/26 17:17, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Albert Einstein said one can easily dismantle and remantle an atomic
>>> bomb very easily.
> 
> He didn't.  Einstein was a *theoretical* physicist.  He had no clue about
> how *exactly* to build an atomic bomb (only that, *in theory*, the
> possibility existed, which is why the Einstein--Szilard letter was written
> and sent), and has never worked on one.
> 
> The atomic bomb was developed by a team led by J. Robert Oppenheimer
> instead, a team of which Einstein was NOT a member.  He never got clearance
> to work on the Manhattan Project because by the U.S. Military Intelligence
> he was considered a left-leaning pacifist and therefore not reliable.  (He
> did consider himself a pacifist.)

I agree.  Harry S Truman murdered thousands of
civilians and non-combatants in explicit violation
of the Hague Conventions of 1899, which bans the
killing of civilians and non-combatants.

Harry S Truman was not hanged for murder.

That was wrong.
> 

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#669984 — Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No.

c186282 wrote:
> 
>    IF you have the uranium, enriched to maybe 75% plus,
>    you can make a basic 1945 fission bomb. It's old tech.
> 
>    Iran was doing a lot of super-secret stuff outsiders
>    didn't know about for YEARS. They had plenty of time
>    to make SOME high-quality uranium - enough for half
>    a dozen bombs or so fer sure. Their motivation was
>    very high.

    Der Fuehrer said all was obliterated last summer. Remember?

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#669998 — Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No.

Gronk wrote:
> c186282 wrote:
>>
>>    IF you have the uranium, enriched to maybe 75% plus,
>>    you can make a basic 1945 fission bomb. It's old tech.
>>
>>    Iran was doing a lot of super-secret stuff outsiders
>>    didn't know about for YEARS. They had plenty of time
>>    to make SOME high-quality uranium - enough for half
>>    a dozen bombs or so fer sure. Their motivation was
>>    very high.
>
>     Der Fuehrer said all was obliterated last summer. Remember?

Why is it okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons?

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#670000 — Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No.

chine.bleu wrote:
> 
> Gronk wrote:
> > c186282 wrote:
> >>
> >>    IF you have the uranium, enriched to maybe 75% plus,
> >>    you can make a basic 1945 fission bomb. It's old tech.
> >>
> >>    Iran was doing a lot of super-secret stuff outsiders
> >>    didn't know about for YEARS. They had plenty of time
> >>    to make SOME high-quality uranium - enough for half
> >>    a dozen bombs or so fer sure. Their motivation was
> >>    very high.
> >
> >     Der Fuehrer said all was obliterated last summer. Remember?
> 
> Why is it okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons?


Because the whole world wants them dead.






-- 
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#670001 — Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No.

On 3/17/26 00:50, chine.bleu wrote:
> Gronk wrote:
>> c186282 wrote:
>>>
>>>    IF you have the uranium, enriched to maybe 75% plus,
>>>    you can make a basic 1945 fission bomb. It's old tech.
>>>
>>>    Iran was doing a lot of super-secret stuff outsiders
>>>    didn't know about for YEARS. They had plenty of time
>>>    to make SOME high-quality uranium - enough for half
>>>    a dozen bombs or so fer sure. Their motivation was
>>>    very high.
>>
>>     Der Fuehrer said all was obliterated last summer. Remember?
> 
> Why is it okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons?

Why is it Ok for any country to have nuclear weapons?

The Russo-Ukrainian war should have made it painfully
obvious, but of course modern man is morally inferior
to the Cro-Magnon perhaps throughout the entire world.

Nuclear weapons were not designed to incinerate little
children in other countries besides the host country that
built them.  Nuclear weapons were designed to incinerate
civilians in the host country if they even think that
they should have any semblance of human freedom in the
country where they live.  Television and radio has driven
the world's GOVERNMENTS insane, and so none of them are
even remotely capable of having a semblance of responsibility
to have them.
> 

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#670030 — Re: Do Iran have nuclear weapons? No.

x wrote:
> 
> On 3/17/26 00:50, chine.bleu wrote:
> > Gronk wrote:
> >> c186282 wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Â Â  IF you have the uranium, enriched to maybe 75% plus,
> >>> Â Â  you can make a basic 1945 fission bomb. It's old tech.
> >>>
> >>> Â Â  Iran was doing a lot of super-secret stuff outsiders
> >>> Â Â  didn't know about for YEARS. They had plenty of time
> >>> Â Â  to make SOME high-quality uranium - enough for half
> >>> Â Â  a dozen bombs or so fer sure. Their motivation was
> >>> Â Â  very high.
> >>
> >> Â Â Â  Der Fuehrer said all was obliterated last summer. Remember?
> >
> > Why is it okay for Israel to have nuclear weapons?
> 
> Why is it Ok for any country to have nuclear weapons?

Because Israel wants ALL the other countries...dead.


All the other countries have a right to defend themselves.






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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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