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| Started by | George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2025-04-19 23:30 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-04-22 06:52 -0700 |
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Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2025-04-19 23:30 -0400
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-20 08:40 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 23:43 -0400
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 17:01 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 01:48 -0400
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Timmy Bakikhanov <biyiv@ytyy.ru> - 2025-04-23 12:03 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 14:18 -0400
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Jaramie Murrah <hr@eaaamm.us> - 2025-04-23 20:14 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Macario Gasanov Koo <vaoi@aomnos.ru> - 2025-04-23 20:28 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 11:26 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 11:47 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 15:54 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 16:49 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 04:53 -0400
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Yosvani Zobkob <zy@no.ru> - 2025-04-24 12:15 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 22:17 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 22:14 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-24 11:52 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-24 23:11 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-04-26 07:48 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-28 17:02 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-01 09:54 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-01 12:10 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-01 17:11 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-05-02 01:42 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-02 10:24 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Angus Belikovich <ibsb@vicgo.ru> - 2025-05-02 08:38 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-03 10:34 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 07:51 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-03 07:57 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:58 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:04 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:14 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 17:10 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 11:23 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 17:56 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-05 22:32 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 09:47 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 13:24 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:42 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-11 15:37 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-06 22:21 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-03 14:37 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Morgan Demarchis <nnrmr@scad.gr> - 2025-05-03 21:53 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-04 09:16 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-04 11:34 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 14:24 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? squalk <sq@net.inv> - 2025-05-06 22:25 +0100
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-06 10:36 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Dudley Tulakov <veu@dylal.ru> - 2025-05-06 14:11 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-07 09:42 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-07 09:10 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-07 08:50 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-08 08:49 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Jorman Balakhonov <joam@almah.ru> - 2025-05-08 15:11 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-07 09:19 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-09 09:36 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-10 10:57 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-11 10:32 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-11 11:28 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-11 11:54 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-11 12:20 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-12 07:43 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Abe Mikhaltsev <hv@el.ru> - 2025-05-12 12:24 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-13 12:03 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Presley Tomeev Katzuba <ope@eop.ru> - 2025-05-13 19:13 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-13 12:32 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-05-13 13:34 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-12 07:31 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 09:54 -0500
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-05-02 11:21 -0700
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-05-03 10:49 +0200
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? Rosalio Muzrukov <uoo@vuuso.ru> - 2025-04-20 12:55 +0000
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? neus <neus@elk.Net.inv> - 2025-04-20 16:51 +0100
Re: Do AGI-BOTS indicate Life After Death exists? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-04-22 06:52 -0700
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-04-28 17:02 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <681016FC.3E2B@ix.netcom.com> |
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Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am Donnerstag000024, 24.04.2025 um 20:52 schrieb The Starmaker: > > Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >> > >> On 4/19/2025 11:40 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > >>> On 2025-04-20 03:30:39 +0000, George Hammond said: > >>> > >>>> a load of stuff that doesn't belong in this group (nothing about > >>>> relativity, or about physics, for that matter). > >>> > >>> Surely there must be a group for religious nuttery that you can post it to? > >>> > >> > >> lol! ;^D > > > > > > Yes, Albert Einstein considers this newsgroup to be a ...Cosmic > > Religion. > > > > Don't think so, because Einstein died 70 years (plus 1 week) ago. > > > How do you translate nuttery to Hebrew? > > > > Einstein didn't speak Hebrew (as far as I know). > > He spoke German, French and Italian (and also a little English). > > (That's why I actually thought, that 'Einstein' was Swiss by birth and > that he wasn't a Jew and his name wasn't 'Einstein'.) > > TH Strange how you come up with all this stuff... If Israel wanted Albert Einstein to be President of Israel, how could he communicate with them if he hardley spoke English of Hebrew??? Was Albert Einstein a ...communists???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 09:54 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m7gniuF53c0U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #663149 |
Am Dienstag000029, 29.04.2025 um 02:02 schrieb The Starmaker: > Thomas Heger wrote: >> >> Am Donnerstag000024, 24.04.2025 um 20:52 schrieb The Starmaker: >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote: >>>> >>>> On 4/19/2025 11:40 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: >>>>> On 2025-04-20 03:30:39 +0000, George Hammond said: >>>>> >>>>>> a load of stuff that doesn't belong in this group (nothing about >>>>>> relativity, or about physics, for that matter). >>>>> >>>>> Surely there must be a group for religious nuttery that you can post it to? >>>>> >>>> >>>> lol! ;^D >>> >>> >>> Yes, Albert Einstein considers this newsgroup to be a ...Cosmic >>> Religion. >>> >> >> Don't think so, because Einstein died 70 years (plus 1 week) ago. >> >>> How do you translate nuttery to Hebrew? >>> >> >> Einstein didn't speak Hebrew (as far as I know). >> >> He spoke German, French and Italian (and also a little English). >> >> (That's why I actually thought, that 'Einstein' was Swiss by birth and >> that he wasn't a Jew and his name wasn't 'Einstein'.) >> >> TH > > Strange how you come up with all this stuff... Well, the reason was, that I had analyzed the paper 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' of 1905 and found tons of errors in it. The number of errors was so large (>400), that this required an explanation. The type of errors were of different types: formal logical linguistic mathematical physical All in all, the text is extremely 'weak'. That would require kind of motivation and a 'hidden hand', because that particular article was world famous and made into a prestigious scientific magazine. Now the question: who could eventually benefit? My own guess: there exists a secret knowledge, which is correct, but which some powers would like to keep secret. To divert the general public from finding that themselves, there needs to be kind of 'sacrosanct nonsense', which nobody is allowed to question. For this we would need somebody's face, who had to be 'deified' and lifted out of the usual realm of common mortals. Judaism would help a bit, but is actually not necessary. > > If Israel wanted Albert Einstein to be President of Israel, how could he > communicate > with them if he hardley spoke English of Hebrew??? > Well, he was an iconic person and strong supporter of Zionism. But possibly he wasn't circumcised and didn't wanted to take the risk of being asked to prove, that he was actually Jewish. > Was Albert Einstein a ...communists???? Most likely he had at least sympathies for socialism. TH > > > >
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 12:10 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6813C710.7C72@ix.netcom.com> |
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Thomas Heger wrote: > > Am Dienstag000029, 29.04.2025 um 02:02 schrieb The Starmaker: > > Thomas Heger wrote: > >> > >> Am Donnerstag000024, 24.04.2025 um 20:52 schrieb The Starmaker: > >>> Chris M. Thomasson wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 4/19/2025 11:40 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: > >>>>> On 2025-04-20 03:30:39 +0000, George Hammond said: > >>>>> > >>>>>> a load of stuff that doesn't belong in this group (nothing about > >>>>>> relativity, or about physics, for that matter). > >>>>> > >>>>> Surely there must be a group for religious nuttery that you can post it to? > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> lol! ;^D > >>> > >>> > >>> Yes, Albert Einstein considers this newsgroup to be a ...Cosmic > >>> Religion. > >>> > >> > >> Don't think so, because Einstein died 70 years (plus 1 week) ago. > >> > >>> How do you translate nuttery to Hebrew? > >>> > >> > >> Einstein didn't speak Hebrew (as far as I know). > >> > >> He spoke German, French and Italian (and also a little English). > >> > >> (That's why I actually thought, that 'Einstein' was Swiss by birth and > >> that he wasn't a Jew and his name wasn't 'Einstein'.) > >> > >> TH > > > > Strange how you come up with all this stuff... > > Well, the reason was, that I had analyzed the paper 'On the > electrodynamics of moving bodies' of 1905 and found tons of errors in it. > > The number of errors was so large (>400), that this required an explanation. > > The type of errors were of different types: > > formal > logical > linguistic > mathematical > physical > > All in all, the text is extremely 'weak'. > > That would require kind of motivation and a 'hidden hand', because that > particular article was world famous and made into a prestigious > scientific magazine. > > Now the question: who could eventually benefit? > > My own guess: > > there exists a secret knowledge, which is correct, but which some powers > would like to keep secret. > > To divert the general public from finding that themselves, there needs > to be kind of 'sacrosanct nonsense', which nobody is allowed to question. > > For this we would need somebody's face, who had to be 'deified' and > lifted out of the usual realm of common mortals. > > Judaism would help a bit, but is actually not necessary. > > > > > If Israel wanted Albert Einstein to be President of Israel, how could he > > communicate > > with them if he hardley spoke English of Hebrew??? > > > > Well, he was an iconic person and strong supporter of Zionism. > > But possibly he wasn't circumcised and didn't wanted to take the risk of > being asked to prove, that he was actually Jewish. > > > Was Albert Einstein a ...communists???? > > Most likely he had at least sympathies for socialism. > > TH The goal of socialism is communism. -Vladimir Lenin Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good." – Ayn Rand> "There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism – by vote. It is merely the difference between murder and suicide." – Ayn Rand Advised [by an agent in the field that] in April 1949, a circular was distributed in the Nashua, New Hampshire area, announcing a new magazine entitled "Monthly Review," "an independent Socialist magazine." The first issue was dated to come out as the May 1949 edition. The first issue would contain articles by Albert Einstein—"Why Socialism[?]"; Paul M. Sweezy—"Recent Development[s] in American capitalism"; Otto Nathan—"Transition to Socialism in Poland"; Leo Huberman—"Socialism and American Labor"…. Re: New York report, dated 3-15-51 Espionage-CH.1 Advised the New York Office that the "Monthly Review" 66 Barrow Street, New York City, self-proclaimed "an independent Socialist magazine" made its initial appearance in May of 1949. The first issue contained articles by Albert Einstein and others. This [investigative] report stated further that a study of the articles contained in a background check of the editors and contributors revealed that this magazine was Communist inspired and followed the approved Communist Party line…. New York report, dated 1-30-50; Re: Internal Security The first issue by Albert Einstein—"Why Socialism?" https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/ https://jussemper.org/Resources/Democracy%20Best%20Practices/Resources/JBFoster-EinsteinsWhySocialism.pdf https://archive.ph/n1x2U The only good commie is a dead commie. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-01 17:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vv0rie$49bd$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #663081 |
On 4/26/25 12:48 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: > Einstein didn't speak Hebrew (as far as I know). > > He spoke German, French and Italian (and also a little English). > > (That's why I actually thought, that 'Einstein' was Swiss by birth and > that he wasn't a Jew and his name wasn't 'Einstein'.) It doesn't matter much what you "actually think". Yet you keep blabbering. You lost your credit when you claimed Germans at the time of Luther were not called "Germans". You even reasoned it like, "there was no country called Germany at the time therefore there were no Germans". Something as stupid as that.
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| From | bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 01:42 +0000 |
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On Thu, 1 May 2025 22:11:26 +0000, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 4/26/25 12:48 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Einstein didn't speak Hebrew (as far as I know). As a born moron he did not speak anything for a long time. >> >> He spoke German, French and Italian (and also a little English). Seems others put words into his mouth and then he simply acted. Apes are like that. >> >> (That's why I actually thought, that 'Einstein' was Swiss by birth and >> that he wasn't a Jew and his name wasn't 'Einstein'.) Most successful fraud of all time, no doubt. His success continues. > > > It doesn't matter much what you "actually think". Yet you keep > blabbering. He does not incite murder as you do, Roachie. > > You lost your credit when you claimed Germans at the time of Luther were > not called "Germans". You even reasoned it like, "there was no country > called Germany at the time therefore there were no Germans". Something > as stupid as that. Nothing more stupid than thee, Roachie. Quite a ring there, what. WOOF woof woof-woof woof woof-woof Bertietaylor --
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 10:24 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m7jdo3Fi06rU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #663248 |
Am Freitag000002, 02.05.2025 um 00:11 schrieb Physfitfreak:
> On 4/26/25 12:48 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Einstein didn't speak Hebrew (as far as I know).
>>
>> He spoke German, French and Italian (and also a little English).
>>
>> (That's why I actually thought, that 'Einstein' was Swiss by birth and
>> that he wasn't a Jew and his name wasn't 'Einstein'.)
>
>
> It doesn't matter much what you "actually think". Yet you keep blabbering.
>
> You lost your credit when you claimed Germans at the time of Luther were
> not called "Germans". You even reasoned it like, "there was no country
> called Germany at the time therefore there were no Germans". Something
> as stupid as that.
>
>
Most Germans didn't speak English at that time, hence could eventually
have called themselves 'Deutsche' (if they had any intentions to do so),
because they spoke a language called 'Deutsch'.
('German' or 'Germanes' are English or Latin names.)
You talk and think in terms of ethnicity, while I was talking about
political entities (states, cities or nations).
The country called 'Deutsches Reich' (='German Empire') was founded in
1871 and that was long after the times of Luther.
So Luther was not a 'German' because there didn't exist any political
entity named 'Germany' in his lifetime.
He spoke German, of course, even if German was not a single well defined
language at his time.
It was actually Luther himself, who created (in a way) the modern
German, simply by translating the bible from Latin into a new language,
which he in part invented.
So: what made Luther a German?
He was actually born in Eisleben. I forgot to which country that
belonged, but definitely not to 'Germany', 'Deutschland' or 'Deutsches
Reich'.
TH
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| From | Angus Belikovich <ibsb@vicgo.ru> |
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| Date | 2025-05-02 08:38 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vv20ag$nf7l$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #663268 |
Thomas Heger wrote: > The country called 'Deutsches Reich' (='German Empire') was founded in > 1871 and that was long after the times of Luther. my butt, so gearmony is a fake fictitious country like ukrane?? Now we can put two and two together. Amazing, I had a suspicion the gearmon language is khazar ukran trying to speak english. That's gearmon. Hitler was a jew sending his khazar jew in resort recreation camps for protection, with chocolate, swimming pools, theater, red briks domiciles, football camps, cinema etc. Amazing. There are movies about and proofs. even the swastika nato is a swastika. No shame.
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2025-05-03 10:34 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m7m2mjFbrbU4@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #663269 |
Am Freitag000002, 02.05.2025 um 10:38 schrieb Angus Belikovich:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>> The country called 'Deutsches Reich' (='German Empire') was founded in
>> 1871 and that was long after the times of Luther.
>
> my butt, so gearmony is a fake fictitious country like ukrane?? Now we can
> put two and two together. Amazing, I had a suspicion the gearmon language
> is khazar ukran trying to speak english. That's gearmon. Hitler was a jew
> sending his khazar jew in resort recreation camps for protection, with
> chocolate, swimming pools, theater, red briks domiciles, football camps,
> cinema etc. Amazing. There are movies about and proofs.
>
Old-German is among the ancestors of quite a lot of languages.
There exists actually an author, who claims, that Inkas and Mayas spoke
a language, which was derived from old-German.
(don't want to comment that).
But many languages existed, which were off-spring of that old-German
language.
Now at the time of Luther there was no single well defined 'Hochdeutsch'
('high German').
To translate the Bible, Luther had to 'cheat' a little and had to invent
a language, which was slightly different to any German dialect of his time.
His translation went into one of the first book printed with the new
Gutenberg printing press and which was widely distributed.
Therefore Luther 'invented' modern German (in a way) and popularized
that in the region now called Germany by his bible translation.
Before that, German dialects were so different to others, that e.g.
Bavarians couldn't speak to -say- people from Berlin.
But Germany didn't exist at the time of Luther.
Instead there was a huge number of tiny states, cities and kingdoms.
These were fused together by Bismarck in the year 1871.
Out came the 'German Empire'.
But before that year, there was no country called 'Germany',
'Deutschland' or similar.
The only political entity named 'Deutsch...' was the Holy Roman Empire.
But that was actually the Empire of the Francs, who spoke French and had
Paris as their capital.
Current Germany was one of the parts, which were created after the
Frankish Empire split.
The eastern part of that Empire of the Francs became later 'Österreich'
('eastern Empire').
So, in a way, Luther belonged to the 'Germanic part', where German was
spoken (not French).
TH
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-03 07:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <59-cnYvpirgesIv1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #663282 |
On 05/03/2025 01:34 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Freitag000002, 02.05.2025 um 10:38 schrieb Angus Belikovich:
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>>> The country called 'Deutsches Reich' (='German Empire') was founded in
>>> 1871 and that was long after the times of Luther.
>>
>> my butt, so gearmony is a fake fictitious country like ukrane?? Now we
>> can
>> put two and two together. Amazing, I had a suspicion the gearmon language
>> is khazar ukran trying to speak english. That's gearmon. Hitler was a jew
>> sending his khazar jew in resort recreation camps for protection, with
>> chocolate, swimming pools, theater, red briks domiciles, football camps,
>> cinema etc. Amazing. There are movies about and proofs.
>>
>
> Old-German is among the ancestors of quite a lot of languages.
>
> There exists actually an author, who claims, that Inkas and Mayas spoke
> a language, which was derived from old-German.
>
> (don't want to comment that).
>
> But many languages existed, which were off-spring of that old-German
> language.
>
> Now at the time of Luther there was no single well defined 'Hochdeutsch'
> ('high German').
>
> To translate the Bible, Luther had to 'cheat' a little and had to invent
> a language, which was slightly different to any German dialect of his time.
>
> His translation went into one of the first book printed with the new
> Gutenberg printing press and which was widely distributed.
>
> Therefore Luther 'invented' modern German (in a way) and popularized
> that in the region now called Germany by his bible translation.
>
> Before that, German dialects were so different to others, that e.g.
> Bavarians couldn't speak to -say- people from Berlin.
>
> But Germany didn't exist at the time of Luther.
>
> Instead there was a huge number of tiny states, cities and kingdoms.
>
> These were fused together by Bismarck in the year 1871.
>
> Out came the 'German Empire'.
>
> But before that year, there was no country called 'Germany',
> 'Deutschland' or similar.
>
> The only political entity named 'Deutsch...' was the Holy Roman Empire.
>
> But that was actually the Empire of the Francs, who spoke French and had
> Paris as their capital.
>
> Current Germany was one of the parts, which were created after the
> Frankish Empire split.
>
> The eastern part of that Empire of the Francs became later 'Österreich'
> ('eastern Empire').
>
> So, in a way, Luther belonged to the 'Germanic part', where German was
> spoken (not French).
>
>
> TH
This is just further irrelevance.
That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected
by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic
Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans
and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids
and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate
Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown
peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost
in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans
and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained
by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping.
The ideas of the Nubians way before the Middle Egyptians then
the downfall of culture as of the ante-Deluvean times, then
with regards to various various Japheth-ites to Ireland and
Ham-ites to the Levantine and Shem-ites to the Caucasus,
and the later Vedics on down, arriving at circa 1000-800 BC,
then into usual picaresque stories like Campbell's, then
with regards to the Aristotlean as not destroyed after Alexander
and that resulting the Hellenic during the times leading up to
the descent of Manicheanism and later after the Alexandrian
to the Roman, and not much talking about the Mongols, has that
then our canon of science follows from that, after the Roman,
much, much later the Continental and British after the Medieval,
if from the great Muslem age, crossroads of culture.
Then colonialism and imperialism, for example ignoring the
rise and fall of the Sheng and Chinese isolationism, 1200 years
ago, as where the Vedics had long ago arrived, even longer,
the industrial age and so on, the information age later,
this isn't relevant except for some context, the language
and theory of modern-day science.
So, proto-Aramaic arrived from the West, not the other way around.
There are at least three trails of Man, the Nubian, the Peruvian,
and the Vedic, from the South, West, and North resp., as of for
example the blue people of the Ainu or from the East resp.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-03 07:57 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <pGudnRXyKYV1s4v1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #663285 |
On 05/03/2025 07:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 05/03/2025 01:34 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am Freitag000002, 02.05.2025 um 10:38 schrieb Angus Belikovich:
>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>
>>>> The country called 'Deutsches Reich' (='German Empire') was founded in
>>>> 1871 and that was long after the times of Luther.
>>>
>>> my butt, so gearmony is a fake fictitious country like ukrane?? Now we
>>> can
>>> put two and two together. Amazing, I had a suspicion the gearmon
>>> language
>>> is khazar ukran trying to speak english. That's gearmon. Hitler was a
>>> jew
>>> sending his khazar jew in resort recreation camps for protection, with
>>> chocolate, swimming pools, theater, red briks domiciles, football camps,
>>> cinema etc. Amazing. There are movies about and proofs.
>>>
>>
>> Old-German is among the ancestors of quite a lot of languages.
>>
>> There exists actually an author, who claims, that Inkas and Mayas spoke
>> a language, which was derived from old-German.
>>
>> (don't want to comment that).
>>
>> But many languages existed, which were off-spring of that old-German
>> language.
>>
>> Now at the time of Luther there was no single well defined 'Hochdeutsch'
>> ('high German').
>>
>> To translate the Bible, Luther had to 'cheat' a little and had to invent
>> a language, which was slightly different to any German dialect of his
>> time.
>>
>> His translation went into one of the first book printed with the new
>> Gutenberg printing press and which was widely distributed.
>>
>> Therefore Luther 'invented' modern German (in a way) and popularized
>> that in the region now called Germany by his bible translation.
>>
>> Before that, German dialects were so different to others, that e.g.
>> Bavarians couldn't speak to -say- people from Berlin.
>>
>> But Germany didn't exist at the time of Luther.
>>
>> Instead there was a huge number of tiny states, cities and kingdoms.
>>
>> These were fused together by Bismarck in the year 1871.
>>
>> Out came the 'German Empire'.
>>
>> But before that year, there was no country called 'Germany',
>> 'Deutschland' or similar.
>>
>> The only political entity named 'Deutsch...' was the Holy Roman Empire.
>>
>> But that was actually the Empire of the Francs, who spoke French and had
>> Paris as their capital.
>>
>> Current Germany was one of the parts, which were created after the
>> Frankish Empire split.
>>
>> The eastern part of that Empire of the Francs became later 'Österreich'
>> ('eastern Empire').
>>
>> So, in a way, Luther belonged to the 'Germanic part', where German was
>> spoken (not French).
>>
>>
>> TH
>
>
> This is just further irrelevance.
>
> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected
> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic
> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans
> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids
> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate
> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown
> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost
> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans
> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained
> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping.
>
> The ideas of the Nubians way before the Middle Egyptians then
> the downfall of culture as of the ante-Deluvean times, then
> with regards to various various Japheth-ites to Ireland and
> Ham-ites to the Levantine and Shem-ites to the Caucasus,
> and the later Vedics on down, arriving at circa 1000-800 BC,
> then into usual picaresque stories like Campbell's, then
> with regards to the Aristotlean as not destroyed after Alexander
> and that resulting the Hellenic during the times leading up to
> the descent of Manicheanism and later after the Alexandrian
> to the Roman, and not much talking about the Mongols, has that
> then our canon of science follows from that, after the Roman,
> much, much later the Continental and British after the Medieval,
> if from the great Muslem age, crossroads of culture.
>
>
> Then colonialism and imperialism, for example ignoring the
> rise and fall of the Sheng and Chinese isolationism, 1200 years
> ago, as where the Vedics had long ago arrived, even longer,
> the industrial age and so on, the information age later,
> this isn't relevant except for some context, the language
> and theory of modern-day science.
>
>
> So, proto-Aramaic arrived from the West, not the other way around.
>
>
> There are at least three trails of Man, the Nubian, the Peruvian,
> and the Vedic, from the South, West, and North resp., as of for
> example the blue people of the Ainu or from the East resp.
>
>
It's kind of like Chekov in "Star Trek", "Of course you know
it was invented first by my peoples in my country", and it's
like, "Chekov, shut up, you propaganda-spawned naif. Put it back
in your pants and furthermore tell Riley to stay off the comm."
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-04 13:58 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vv8ddg$7ulh$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #663285 |
On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected > by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic > Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans > and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids > and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate > Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown > peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost > in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans > and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained > by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. Could you give a source for that.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-04 13:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <Yw-dnVER3bfDVYr1nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #663335 |
On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. > > > > Could you give a source for that. Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", or something like on Atlantis studies. Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, and as well the written scripts, then what most survived is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. More than merely the pyramids. Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts and particularly scripts, and in language. Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and natural science though is also common since antiquity, and the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-04 13:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <IyedneyFLN4DV4r1nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #663339 |
On 05/04/2025 01:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >> >> >> >> Could you give a source for that. > > Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", > or something like on Atlantis studies. > > Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, > and as well the written scripts, then what most survived > is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, > including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, > also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. > > There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and > cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. > More than merely the pyramids. > > > Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, > since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age > of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts > and particularly scripts, and in language. > > Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements > of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. > > > People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial > objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, > and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. > > > Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and > natural science though is also common since antiquity, and > the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination > of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, > and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. > > ... that you've forgotten.
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-04 17:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vv8okm$838a$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #663339 |
On 5/4/25 3:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >> >> >> >> Could you give a source for that. > > Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", > or something like on Atlantis studies. > > Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, > and as well the written scripts, then what most survived > is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, > including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, > also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. > > There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and > cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. > More than merely the pyramids. > > > Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, > since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age > of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts > and particularly scripts, and in language. > > Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements > of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. > > > People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial > objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, > and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. > > > Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and > natural science though is also common since antiquity, and > the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination > of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, > and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. > > I downloaded the book. A large book written in 1800's !... I'm not that sure it doesn't miss a ton of newer facts known since. But I'll give it a try reading it. If you didn't see me on usenet, I've been reading this book. Kosmanson is an exception though. Kosmanson rules my usenet activity for now.
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-05 11:23 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vvaomm$8spd$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #663346 |
On 5/4/25 5:10 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 5/4/25 3:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >>> >>> >>> >>> Could you give a source for that. >> >> Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", >> or something like on Atlantis studies. >> >> Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, >> and as well the written scripts, then what most survived >> is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, >> including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, >> also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. >> >> There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and >> cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. >> More than merely the pyramids. >> >> >> Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, >> since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age >> of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts >> and particularly scripts, and in language. >> >> Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements >> of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. >> >> >> People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial >> objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, >> and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. >> >> >> Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and >> natural science though is also common since antiquity, and >> the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination >> of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, >> and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. >> >> > > > I downloaded the book. A large book written in 1800's !... I'm not that > sure it doesn't miss a ton of newer facts known since. But I'll give it > a try reading it. If you didn't see me on usenet, I've been reading this > book. Kosmanson is an exception though. Kosmanson rules my usenet > activity for now. > > No. Too old. One of those books that I'd read only if I'm incarcerated, with no other book whatsoever within reach. There has to be a newer better book on the subject. Better thought over. Better researched.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-05-05 17:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <-NOdnWrsKaTUw4T1nZ2dnZfqn_udnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #663368 |
On 05/05/2025 09:23 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 5/4/25 5:10 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 5/4/25 3:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>>>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>>>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>>>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>>>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>>>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>>>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>>>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>>>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>>>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Could you give a source for that. >>> >>> Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", >>> or something like on Atlantis studies. >>> >>> Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, >>> and as well the written scripts, then what most survived >>> is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, >>> including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, >>> also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. >>> >>> There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and >>> cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. >>> More than merely the pyramids. >>> >>> >>> Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, >>> since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age >>> of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts >>> and particularly scripts, and in language. >>> >>> Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements >>> of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. >>> >>> >>> People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial >>> objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, >>> and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. >>> >>> >>> Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and >>> natural science though is also common since antiquity, and >>> the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination >>> of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, >>> and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. >>> >>> >> >> >> I downloaded the book. A large book written in 1800's !... I'm not >> that sure it doesn't miss a ton of newer facts known since. But I'll >> give it a try reading it. If you didn't see me on usenet, I've been >> reading this book. Kosmanson is an exception though. Kosmanson rules >> my usenet activity for now. >> >> > > > No. Too old. > > One of those books that I'd read only if I'm incarcerated, with no other > book whatsoever within reach. > > There has to be a newer better book on the subject. Better thought over. > Better researched. > > That's the one there is. I'm pretty sure that one's the best in class. (All the historical names of the stars, and about stories about, for example, the Pleiades, a survey of the visible sky.) It's not meant to be something like Herschel's catalog or all of Messier's objects. Is that a, usual condition? Why don't you just read ads abs? https://adsabs.harvard.edu/ads_abstracts.html Do AGI-BOTS ponder the ineffable? Yeah, they may.
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-05 22:32 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vvbvs9$9na7$1@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #663376 |
On 5/5/25 7:56 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 05/05/2025 09:23 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 5/4/25 5:10 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>> On 5/4/25 3:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>>>>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>>>>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>>>>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>>>>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>>>>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>>>>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>>>>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>>>>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>>>>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Could you give a source for that. >>>> >>>> Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", >>>> or something like on Atlantis studies. >>>> >>>> Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, >>>> and as well the written scripts, then what most survived >>>> is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, >>>> including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, >>>> also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. >>>> >>>> There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and >>>> cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. >>>> More than merely the pyramids. >>>> >>>> >>>> Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, >>>> since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age >>>> of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts >>>> and particularly scripts, and in language. >>>> >>>> Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements >>>> of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. >>>> >>>> >>>> People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial >>>> objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, >>>> and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. >>>> >>>> >>>> Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and >>>> natural science though is also common since antiquity, and >>>> the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination >>>> of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, >>>> and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> I downloaded the book. A large book written in 1800's !... I'm not >>> that sure it doesn't miss a ton of newer facts known since. But I'll >>> give it a try reading it. If you didn't see me on usenet, I've been >>> reading this book. Kosmanson is an exception though. Kosmanson rules >>> my usenet activity for now. >>> >>> >> >> >> No. Too old. >> >> One of those books that I'd read only if I'm incarcerated, with no other >> book whatsoever within reach. >> >> There has to be a newer better book on the subject. Better thought over. >> Better researched. >> >> > > That's the one there is. > > I'm pretty sure that one's the best in class. > > (All the historical names of the stars, and about stories > about, for example, the Pleiades, a survey of the visible sky.) > > It's not meant to be something like Herschel's catalog > or all of Messier's objects. > > Is that a, usual condition? > > > Why don't you just read ads abs? > https://adsabs.harvard.edu/ads_abstracts.html > > > > Do AGI-BOTS ponder the ineffable? Yeah, they may. > > How the hell did you even find this book? Do you inherit an underground library below your house where you still keep your great grandfather's books in? How can one come across this book in a logical way? Did you swipe it in the Vatican? Hehe :) I'm not being silly.
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 09:47 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3tGdnX7bXZmgoIf1nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #663379 |
On 05/05/2025 08:32 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: > On 5/5/25 7:56 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> On 05/05/2025 09:23 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>> On 5/4/25 5:10 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>> On 5/4/25 3:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>> On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>>> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>>>>>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>>>>>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>>>>>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>>>>>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>>>>>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>>>>>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>>>>>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>>>>>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>>>>>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Could you give a source for that. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", >>>>> or something like on Atlantis studies. >>>>> >>>>> Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, >>>>> and as well the written scripts, then what most survived >>>>> is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, >>>>> including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, >>>>> also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. >>>>> >>>>> There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and >>>>> cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. >>>>> More than merely the pyramids. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, >>>>> since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age >>>>> of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts >>>>> and particularly scripts, and in language. >>>>> >>>>> Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements >>>>> of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial >>>>> objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, >>>>> and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and >>>>> natural science though is also common since antiquity, and >>>>> the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination >>>>> of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, >>>>> and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I downloaded the book. A large book written in 1800's !... I'm not >>>> that sure it doesn't miss a ton of newer facts known since. But I'll >>>> give it a try reading it. If you didn't see me on usenet, I've been >>>> reading this book. Kosmanson is an exception though. Kosmanson rules >>>> my usenet activity for now. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> No. Too old. >>> >>> One of those books that I'd read only if I'm incarcerated, with no other >>> book whatsoever within reach. >>> >>> There has to be a newer better book on the subject. Better thought over. >>> Better researched. >>> >>> >> >> That's the one there is. >> >> I'm pretty sure that one's the best in class. >> >> (All the historical names of the stars, and about stories >> about, for example, the Pleiades, a survey of the visible sky.) >> >> It's not meant to be something like Herschel's catalog >> or all of Messier's objects. >> >> Is that a, usual condition? >> >> >> Why don't you just read ads abs? >> https://adsabs.harvard.edu/ads_abstracts.html >> >> >> >> Do AGI-BOTS ponder the ineffable? Yeah, they may. >> >> > > > How the hell did you even find this book? Do you inherit an underground > library below your house where you still keep your great grandfather's > books in? How can one come across this book in a logical way? > > Did you swipe it in the Vatican? > > Hehe :) I'm not being silly. > > I found that edition at a book store, or perhaps book fair. I've collected about a ton of books, thousands and thousands. I'm pretty discriminating, not discriminatory/incriminatory, in what I think is a good book. (I haven't bought anything on-line, at all, since about ten years, though, acquired several thousands volumes books.) The book-collecting is sort of a lifetime pastime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_collecting I found it from looking for good books. One time Carl Sagan wrote a book, and in it, he wrote, that besides the cranial capacity, the only reason humans have intelligence, is books. Of course he probably said that a bunch of times. A usual practiced reader's reading is on the order of ten-infinity times as fast as the maximum rate of the spoken word. Try spending a few days in a university library, it's called learning something. I suppose it's like the idea of "the royal road to geometry", whether there's a royal road, i.e., an easy way, to geometry. There is: the long way to the top.
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-06 13:24 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vvdk5i$anbi$2@solani.org> |
| In reply to | #663391 |
On 5/6/25 11:47 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 05/05/2025 08:32 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 5/5/25 7:56 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 05/05/2025 09:23 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>> On 5/4/25 5:10 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>> On 5/4/25 3:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>> On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>>>>>>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>>>>>>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>>>>>>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>>>>>>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>>>>>>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>>>>>>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>>>>>>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>>>>>>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>>>>>>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you give a source for that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", >>>>>> or something like on Atlantis studies. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, >>>>>> and as well the written scripts, then what most survived >>>>>> is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, >>>>>> including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, >>>>>> also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and >>>>>> cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. >>>>>> More than merely the pyramids. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, >>>>>> since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age >>>>>> of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts >>>>>> and particularly scripts, and in language. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements >>>>>> of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial >>>>>> objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, >>>>>> and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and >>>>>> natural science though is also common since antiquity, and >>>>>> the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination >>>>>> of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, >>>>>> and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded the book. A large book written in 1800's !... I'm not >>>>> that sure it doesn't miss a ton of newer facts known since. But I'll >>>>> give it a try reading it. If you didn't see me on usenet, I've been >>>>> reading this book. Kosmanson is an exception though. Kosmanson rules >>>>> my usenet activity for now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No. Too old. >>>> >>>> One of those books that I'd read only if I'm incarcerated, with no >>>> other >>>> book whatsoever within reach. >>>> >>>> There has to be a newer better book on the subject. Better thought >>>> over. >>>> Better researched. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That's the one there is. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that one's the best in class. >>> >>> (All the historical names of the stars, and about stories >>> about, for example, the Pleiades, a survey of the visible sky.) >>> >>> It's not meant to be something like Herschel's catalog >>> or all of Messier's objects. >>> >>> Is that a, usual condition? >>> >>> >>> Why don't you just read ads abs? >>> https://adsabs.harvard.edu/ads_abstracts.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Do AGI-BOTS ponder the ineffable? Yeah, they may. >>> >>> >> >> >> How the hell did you even find this book? Do you inherit an underground >> library below your house where you still keep your great grandfather's >> books in? How can one come across this book in a logical way? >> >> Did you swipe it in the Vatican? >> >> Hehe :) I'm not being silly. >> >> > > I found that edition at a book store, or perhaps book fair. > > I've collected about a ton of books, thousands and thousands. > > I'm pretty discriminating, not discriminatory/incriminatory, > in what I think is a good book. > > (I haven't bought anything on-line, at all, since about > ten years, though, acquired several thousands volumes books.) > > The book-collecting is sort of a lifetime pastime. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_collecting > > I found it from looking for good books. > > > One time Carl Sagan wrote a book, and in it, > he wrote, that besides the cranial capacity, > the only reason humans have intelligence, is books. > > Of course he probably said that a bunch of times. > > A usual practiced reader's reading is on the order > of ten-infinity times as fast as the maximum rate > of the spoken word. > > > Try spending a few days in a university library, > it's called learning something. > > > I suppose it's like the idea of "the royal road to > geometry", whether there's a royal road, i.e., an > easy way, to geometry. > > There is: the long way to the top. > > I read some more of it. It is not a bad book, but I want something better. I cannot evaluate his remarks from Roman and Greek sources cause I don't have the knowledge required. But many of his remarks on "Arab" sources are not accurate. That's what changed my mind. It is as if you've created a project for a large number of high-schoolers to go find anything they can about that subject and pile all of them up into this book. The volume of the material is great, but the depth of knowledge, in some cases I saw in as little of it I read, is that of a high-schooler's. Very naive. Very innocent. I want something better than that. I _would_ read it. But in a maximum security prison :-)
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| From | Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-05-11 15:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vvr23a$keui$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #663391 |
On 5/6/25 11:47 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: > On 05/05/2025 08:32 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >> On 5/5/25 7:56 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> On 05/05/2025 09:23 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>> On 5/4/25 5:10 PM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>> On 5/4/25 3:04 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>> On 05/04/2025 11:58 AM, Physfitfreak wrote: >>>>>>> On 5/3/25 9:51 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>>>>>> That the meso-Americans and Mediterraneans were connected >>>>>>>> by the Atlanteans in the ante-Deluvean Bronze Age cross-Atlantic >>>>>>>> Bronze Age trade, circa 5000-10000 BC, and that the meso-Americans >>>>>>>> and Mediterreans share both languages and scripts and pyramids >>>>>>>> and as from the trail from Peru as with regards to the separate >>>>>>>> Northern population what is of the red, yellow, white, and brown >>>>>>>> peoples of about the Noachic and Vedic variously, is a bit lost >>>>>>>> in the mists of time yet definitely has that the meso-Americans >>>>>>>> and Mediterraneans have a cross-Atlantic bridge not explained >>>>>>>> by the Alaska land bridge, nor Micro-nesian island hopping. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Could you give a source for that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe you'd like Allen's "Star Names: Their Lore and Meaning", >>>>>> or something like on Atlantis studies. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mostly commonalities in the names and legends of astronomy, >>>>>> and as well the written scripts, then what most survived >>>>>> is Bronze Age artifacts, all up and down the Missouri, >>>>>> including to the Great Lakes, and not just around the Mediterranean, >>>>>> also pretty much all the coast of Europe, Bronze Age. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are archaeological discoveries about the scripts and >>>>>> cultures and artifacts and what could not simply be coincidence. >>>>>> More than merely the pyramids. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Allen's "Star Names" helps explore the world-wide commonalities, >>>>>> since the pre-historical, and various studies of Bronze Age >>>>>> of the pre-historical, yet archaeologically evident in crafts >>>>>> and particularly scripts, and in language. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mostly Bronze Age artifacts, and particularly surviving elements >>>>>> of scripts, besides things like the pyramid builders. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> People these days can't see much of stars on the sky or celestial >>>>>> objects, yet since antiquity it was the common open book, >>>>>> and the names and stories are remarkably common in all cultures. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not my business and not relevant here: that mathematics and >>>>>> natural science though is also common since antiquity, and >>>>>> the premier theories of the day are a remarkable combination >>>>>> of profound depth of data and a too-severe abstraction, >>>>>> and periods of destruction, vandalism, and appropriation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I downloaded the book. A large book written in 1800's !... I'm not >>>>> that sure it doesn't miss a ton of newer facts known since. But I'll >>>>> give it a try reading it. If you didn't see me on usenet, I've been >>>>> reading this book. Kosmanson is an exception though. Kosmanson rules >>>>> my usenet activity for now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No. Too old. >>>> >>>> One of those books that I'd read only if I'm incarcerated, with no >>>> other >>>> book whatsoever within reach. >>>> >>>> There has to be a newer better book on the subject. Better thought >>>> over. >>>> Better researched. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That's the one there is. >>> >>> I'm pretty sure that one's the best in class. >>> >>> (All the historical names of the stars, and about stories >>> about, for example, the Pleiades, a survey of the visible sky.) >>> >>> It's not meant to be something like Herschel's catalog >>> or all of Messier's objects. >>> >>> Is that a, usual condition? >>> >>> >>> Why don't you just read ads abs? >>> https://adsabs.harvard.edu/ads_abstracts.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Do AGI-BOTS ponder the ineffable? Yeah, they may. >>> >>> >> >> >> How the hell did you even find this book? Do you inherit an underground >> library below your house where you still keep your great grandfather's >> books in? How can one come across this book in a logical way? >> >> Did you swipe it in the Vatican? >> >> Hehe :) I'm not being silly. >> >> > > I found that edition at a book store, or perhaps book fair. > > I've collected about a ton of books, thousands and thousands. > > I'm pretty discriminating, not discriminatory/incriminatory, > in what I think is a good book. > > (I haven't bought anything on-line, at all, since about > ten years, though, acquired several thousands volumes books.) > > The book-collecting is sort of a lifetime pastime. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_collecting > > I found it from looking for good books. > > > One time Carl Sagan wrote a book, and in it, > he wrote, that besides the cranial capacity, > the only reason humans have intelligence, is books. > > Of course he probably said that a bunch of times. > > A usual practiced reader's reading is on the order > of ten-infinity times as fast as the maximum rate > of the spoken word. > > > Try spending a few days in a university library, > it's called learning something. > > > I suppose it's like the idea of "the royal road to > geometry", whether there's a royal road, i.e., an > easy way, to geometry. > > There is: the long way to the top. > > Access to papers in a university library is nice, and is closer to "learning something" than piling tons of books. The latter is Tsundoku. Look it up. It is just a collecting hobby, not learning.
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