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  Gyroscopes and Relativity Corey White  <street@shellcrash.com> - 2025-02-06 12:03 +0000
    Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-06 12:26 -0800
    Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2025-02-07 12:41 +0200
      Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-02-12 11:52 -0800
        Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2025-02-12 22:19 +0000
        Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-17 12:23 -0800
          Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2025-02-27 21:08 -0800
    Re: Gyroscopes and Relativity Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2025-02-15 12:05 +0800

#661048 — Gyroscopes and Relativity

Gyroscopes and Relativity

Gyroscopes are well-known for their ability to maintain stability and resist
 changes in orientation. Their behavior is governed by precession, a
 principle that describes how a spinning object responds to external forces.
 However, beyond the classical explanations of angular momentum and torque,
 there may be a deeper connection to relativity and time dilation. By
 examining how rotational motion interacts with the fabric of spacetime, we
 can explore the possibility that gyroscopes experience a form of
 gravitational resistance due to relativistic effects.

Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path

If you drop a spinning gyroscope alongside a regular object, the gyroscope
 will not simply fall straight down. Instead, it follows a spiral path,
 hitting the ground slightly after the other object. This delay is
 traditionally explained by precession, where a force applied to a spinning
 object causes its motion to shift perpendicular to the applied force rather
 than directly in the expected direction.

Precession occurs because of angular momentum. When gravity pulls down on a
 spinning gyroscope, it does not simply fall; instead, the force causes the
 direction of its spin to shift. This results in a spiraling motion rather
 than a direct descent. But there may be another explanation—one that
 involves the effects of relativity on rotational motion.

Time Dilation in a Rotating Wheel

To test this idea, imagine a heavy wheel mounted on an axle, spinning
 rapidly in a vertical plane. If you rotate the axle in a horizontal plane
 while the wheel is still spinning, the wheel will either float upward or
 sink downward, depending on the direction of rotation.

From the perspective of the Earth, the spinning wheel is moving on a verical
 plane. When the axle is rotated horizontally, the wheel’s motion expands
 into additional directions, creating a more complex spiraling path. This
 extended path means that the wheel moves a greater distance in the same
 amount of time.

According to the principles of relativity, when an object moves through
 space in a longer path while maintaining the same time frame, time dilation
 occurs. In other words, time slows down within the rotating system compared
 to its surroundings. If this effect is strong enough, it could cause the
 gyroscope to experience a slower descent relative to the Earth, creating an
 apparent "anti-gravity" effect.

No Limit to Rotational Speed

One of the most intriguing aspects of this theory is that rotation is not
 limited by the speed of light. Unlike linear motion, where an object’s
 velocity cannot exceed the speed of light, a wheel can theoretically spin a
 million number of times per second without violating relativity.

Before the axle is rotated, every point on the spinning wheel is moving up
 and down, left and right, within its original vertical plane. But when the
 wheel's axis is rotated, those same points begin moving in new directions,
 altering the motion of the system as a whole. This change in direction
 creates a spiral trajectory that increases the total distance traveled by
 the wheel's components in a given time frame.

Because the wheel’s rotation is not constrained by the speed of light, it
 can reach extreme rotational speeds without changing its relative position
 to the Earth. As a result, the wheel’s movement interacts with spacetime
 differently than a typical falling object. This could explain why the
 gyroscope seems to resist gravity momentarily before stabilizing.

Why the Effect Stops in a Horizontal Plane

If time dilation is responsible for this behavior, then the anti-gravity
 effect should disappear once the wheel reaches a purely horizontal
 orientation. At this point, all of its motion is confined to a single
 plane, meaning there is no additional change in direction to extend the
 path further. Without a continuously increasing trajectory, the conditions
 for time dilation weaken, and the wheel behaves normally once again.

This suggests that the relationship between rotation, precession, and time
 dilation is not constant but dependent on the complexity of the wheel’s
 motion. When a spinning object undergoes a continuous change in direction
 across multiple planes, its interaction with gravity may be fundamentally
 different than previously thought.

Watch it here:

https://youtu.be/GeyDf4ooPdo?si=qrxh4EmBG1IhxzkD

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#661061

Corey White wrote:
> 
> Gyroscopes and Relativity
> 
> Gyroscopes are well-known for their ability to maintain stability and resist
>  changes in orientation. Their behavior is governed by precession, a
>  principle that describes how a spinning object responds to external forces.
>  However, beyond the classical explanations of angular momentum and torque,
>  there may be a deeper connection to relativity and time dilation. By
>  examining how rotational motion interacts with the fabric of spacetime, we
>  can explore the possibility that gyroscopes experience a form of
>  gravitational resistance due to relativistic effects.
> 
> Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path
> 
> If you drop a spinning gyroscope alongside a regular object, the gyroscope
>  will not simply fall straight down. Instead, it follows a spiral path,
>  hitting the ground slightly after the other object. This delay is
>  traditionally explained by precession, where a force applied to a spinning
>  object causes its motion to shift perpendicular to the applied force rather
>  than directly in the expected direction.
> 
> Precession occurs because of angular momentum. When gravity pulls down on a
>  spinning gyroscope, it does not simply fall; instead, the force causes the
>  direction of its spin to shift. This results in a spiraling motion rather
>  than a direct descent. But there may be another explanation—one that
>  involves the effects of relativity on rotational motion.
> 
> Time Dilation in a Rotating Wheel
> 
> To test this idea, imagine a heavy wheel mounted on an axle, spinning
>  rapidly in a vertical plane. If you rotate the axle in a horizontal plane
>  while the wheel is still spinning, the wheel will either float upward or
>  sink downward, depending on the direction of rotation.
> 
> From the perspective of the Earth, the spinning wheel is moving on a verical
>  plane. When the axle is rotated horizontally, the wheel’s motion expands
>  into additional directions, creating a more complex spiraling path. This
>  extended path means that the wheel moves a greater distance in the same
>  amount of time.
> 
> According to the principles of relativity, when an object moves through
>  space in a longer path while maintaining the same time frame, time dilation
>  occurs. In other words, time slows down within the rotating system compared
>  to its surroundings. If this effect is strong enough, it could cause the
>  gyroscope to experience a slower descent relative to the Earth, creating an
>  apparent "anti-gravity" effect.
> 
> No Limit to Rotational Speed
> 
> One of the most intriguing aspects of this theory is that rotation is not
>  limited by the speed of light. Unlike linear motion, where an object’s
>  velocity cannot exceed the speed of light, a wheel can theoretically spin a
>  million number of times per second without violating relativity.
> 
> Before the axle is rotated, every point on the spinning wheel is moving up
>  and down, left and right, within its original vertical plane. But when the
>  wheel's axis is rotated, those same points begin moving in new directions,
>  altering the motion of the system as a whole. This change in direction
>  creates a spiral trajectory that increases the total distance traveled by
>  the wheel's components in a given time frame.
> 
> Because the wheel’s rotation is not constrained by the speed of light, it
>  can reach extreme rotational speeds without changing its relative position
>  to the Earth. As a result, the wheel’s movement interacts with spacetime
>  differently than a typical falling object. This could explain why the
>  gyroscope seems to resist gravity momentarily before stabilizing.
> 
> Why the Effect Stops in a Horizontal Plane
> 
> If time dilation is responsible for this behavior, then the anti-gravity
>  effect should disappear once the wheel reaches a purely horizontal
>  orientation. At this point, all of its motion is confined to a single
>  plane, meaning there is no additional change in direction to extend the
>  path further. Without a continuously increasing trajectory, the conditions
>  for time dilation weaken, and the wheel behaves normally once again.
> 
> This suggests that the relationship between rotation, precession, and time
>  dilation is not constant but dependent on the complexity of the wheel’s
>  motion. When a spinning object undergoes a continuous change in direction
>  across multiple planes, its interaction with gravity may be fundamentally
>  different than previously thought.
> 
> Watch it here:
> 
> https://youtu.be/GeyDf4ooPdo?si=qrxh4EmBG1IhxzkD


Einstein believes that the earth, atoms and the whole universe is a 
Gyroscope.



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#661084

On 2025-02-06 12:03:26 +0000, Corey White said:

> Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path

If you drop it in vacuum it falls straight down. If you drop it in
air you may get aerodyanmic effects that depend on the shape and
orientation of the gyroscope.

-- 
Mikko

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#661234

Mikko wrote:
> 
> On 2025-02-06 12:03:26 +0000, Corey White said:
> 
> > Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path
> 
> If you drop it in vacuum it falls straight down. If you drop it in
> air you may get aerodyanmic effects that depend on the shape and
> orientation of the gyroscope.
> 
> --
> Mikko


"down"???? there is no down in a vacuum...




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#661238

On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 19:52:50 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:

> Mikko wrote:
>>
>> On 2025-02-06 12:03:26 +0000, Corey White said:
>>
>>> Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path
>>
>> If you drop it in vacuum it falls straight down. If you drop it in
>> air you may get aerodyanmic effects that depend on the shape and
>> orientation of the gyroscope.
>>
>> --
>> Mikko
>
>
> "down"???? there is no down in a vacuum...


Why do you say that?

It's well known that, in vacuum, down is where your feet point out, and
up is where your head points out.

You're trying to confuse people here.

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#661280

On 02/12/2025 11:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Mikko wrote:
>>
>> On 2025-02-06 12:03:26 +0000, Corey White said:
>>
>>> Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path
>>
>> If you drop it in vacuum it falls straight down. If you drop it in
>> air you may get aerodyanmic effects that depend on the shape and
>> orientation of the gyroscope.
>>
>> --
>> Mikko
>
>
> "down"???? there is no down in a vacuum...
>
>
>
>

 >

Furthermore there are empirical effects
more than "Magnus Effect" that make for
"weight" something like "heft" that make
for simple real space contraction in effect,
in the classical, as with regards to what
Sedov calls "gyroscopic" effects, for example
in footballs, bullets, and golf balls
(and cars).


The "Magnus Effect" is "well-known", and it's
also "well-known" that the Magnus effect does
not include all the empirical effect due the
rotational, and as to why the linear and rotational
are different with regards to kinetics and kinematics.

So, "Newton's zero-eth" laws with regards to the
vis-motrix, then vis-viva and vis-insita, make
for that classical mechanics is a bit woefully underserved.

The "severe abstraction" of the "mechanical reduction"
is a bit let out, though it's reasonable in the linear,
simply that all kinematics are nominally un-linear.

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#661542

On 02/17/2025 12:23 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 02/12/2025 11:52 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Mikko wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2025-02-06 12:03:26 +0000, Corey White said:
>>>
>>>> Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path
>>>
>>> If you drop it in vacuum it falls straight down. If you drop it in
>>> air you may get aerodyanmic effects that depend on the shape and
>>> orientation of the gyroscope.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mikko
>>
>>
>> "down"???? there is no down in a vacuum...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>  >
>
> Furthermore there are empirical effects
> more than "Magnus Effect" that make for
> "weight" something like "heft" that make
> for simple real space contraction in effect,
> in the classical, as with regards to what
> Sedov calls "gyroscopic" effects, for example
> in footballs, bullets, and golf balls
> (and cars).
>
>
> The "Magnus Effect" is "well-known", and it's
> also "well-known" that the Magnus effect does
> not include all the empirical effect due the
> rotational, and as to why the linear and rotational
> are different with regards to kinetics and kinematics.
>
> So, "Newton's zero-eth" laws with regards to the
> vis-motrix, then vis-viva and vis-insita, make
> for that classical mechanics is a bit woefully underserved.
>
> The "severe abstraction" of the "mechanical reduction"
> is a bit let out, though it's reasonable in the linear,
> simply that all kinematics are nominally un-linear.
>
>

Classical mechanics is under-defined.

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#661250

On 06-Feb-25 8:03 pm, Corey White wrote:
> Gyroscopes and Relativity
> 
> Gyroscopes are well-known for their ability to maintain stability and 
> resist
> changes in orientation. Their behavior is governed by precession, a
> principle that describes how a spinning object responds to external forces.
> However, beyond the classical explanations of angular momentum and torque,
> there may be a deeper connection to relativity and time dilation. By
> examining how rotational motion interacts with the fabric of spacetime, we
> can explore the possibility that gyroscopes experience a form of
> gravitational resistance due to relativistic effects.
> 
> Precession: Why a Gyroscope Falls in a Spiral Path
> 
> If you drop a spinning gyroscope alongside a regular object, the gyroscope
> will not simply fall straight down. Instead, it follows a spiral path,
> hitting the ground slightly after the other object. This delay is
> traditionally explained by precession, where a force applied to a spinning
> object causes its motion to shift perpendicular to the applied force rather
> than directly in the expected direction.
> 
> Precession occurs because of angular momentum. When gravity pulls down on a
> spinning gyroscope, it does not simply fall; instead, the force causes the
> direction of its spin to shift. This results in a spiraling motion rather
> than a direct descent. But there may be another explanation—one that
> involves the effects of relativity on rotational motion.
> 
> Time Dilation in a Rotating Wheel
> 
> To test this idea, imagine a heavy wheel mounted on an axle, spinning
> rapidly in a vertical plane. If you rotate the axle in a horizontal plane
> while the wheel is still spinning, the wheel will either float upward or
> sink downward, depending on the direction of rotation.
> 
>  From the perspective of the Earth, the spinning wheel is moving on a 
> verical
> plane. When the axle is rotated horizontally, the wheel’s motion expands
> into additional directions, creating a more complex spiraling path. This
> extended path means that the wheel moves a greater distance in the same
> amount of time.
> 
> According to the principles of relativity, when an object moves through
> space in a longer path while maintaining the same time frame, time dilation
> occurs. In other words, time slows down within the rotating system compared
> to its surroundings. If this effect is strong enough, it could cause the
> gyroscope to experience a slower descent relative to the Earth, creating an
> apparent "anti-gravity" effect.
> 
> No Limit to Rotational Speed
> 
> One of the most intriguing aspects of this theory is that rotation is not
> limited by the speed of light. Unlike linear motion, where an object’s
> velocity cannot exceed the speed of light, a wheel can theoretically spin a
> million number of times per second without violating relativity.
> 
> Before the axle is rotated, every point on the spinning wheel is moving up
> and down, left and right, within its original vertical plane. But when the
> wheel's axis is rotated, those same points begin moving in new directions,
> altering the motion of the system as a whole. This change in direction
> creates a spiral trajectory that increases the total distance traveled by
> the wheel's components in a given time frame.
> 
> Because the wheel’s rotation is not constrained by the speed of light, it
> can reach extreme rotational speeds without changing its relative position
> to the Earth. As a result, the wheel’s movement interacts with spacetime
> differently than a typical falling object. This could explain why the
> gyroscope seems to resist gravity momentarily before stabilizing.
> 
> Why the Effect Stops in a Horizontal Plane
> 
> If time dilation is responsible for this behavior, then the anti-gravity
> effect should disappear once the wheel reaches a purely horizontal
> orientation. At this point, all of its motion is confined to a single
> plane, meaning there is no additional change in direction to extend the
> path further. Without a continuously increasing trajectory, the conditions
> for time dilation weaken, and the wheel behaves normally once again.
> 
> This suggests that the relationship between rotation, precession, and time
> dilation is not constant but dependent on the complexity of the wheel’s
> motion. When a spinning object undergoes a continuous change in direction
> across multiple planes, its interaction with gravity may be fundamentally
> different than previously thought.
> 
> Watch it here:
> 
> https://youtu.be/GeyDf4ooPdo?si=qrxh4EmBG1IhxzkD
> 

You do realise that there's no point in posting click bait on Usenet?

There's no algorithm to game, and no advertising revenue to get.

Sylvia.

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