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  What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 17:29 -0800
    Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-22 18:39 -0800
      Re: What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 20:35 -0800
        Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-22 21:21 -0800
          Re: What has stopped rotating? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-11-23 21:13 +0100
            Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-23 20:14 -0800
              Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-23 20:26 -0800
              Re: What has stopped rotating? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-23 23:29 -0500
                Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-23 20:36 -0800
                  Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-23 20:59 -0800
                    Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-23 21:16 -0800
                      Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-23 22:16 -0800
                      Re: What has stopped rotating? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-27 02:13 -0500
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 23:48 -0800
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-27 11:36 -0800
                          Re: What has stopped rotating? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-29 23:36 -0500
                            Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-29 21:03 -0800
                              Re: What has stopped rotating? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-11-30 12:22 -0600
                                Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-30 12:16 -0800
                                Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-12-02 20:02 -0800
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? Dearl Numerov Hasbulatov <veav@rvdlevom.lr> - 2023-11-27 20:11 +0000
                  Re: What has stopped rotating? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-24 13:17 -0500
                    Re: What has stopped rotating? Yoslan Beknazar Yuzbashev <vasv@eohlsyeu.vn> - 2023-11-24 18:32 +0000
                      Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 12:59 -0600
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? Duan Turkestanov <nank@tautkvtd.nd> - 2023-11-24 20:40 +0000
                    Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-24 13:18 -0800
                    Re: What has stopped rotating? Baldemar Baburkin <bled@ebabrrkd.ad> - 2023-11-25 21:31 +0000
                      Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-25 20:26 -0600
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? Russell Baibikov Dobrohotov <rlia@lvlsbkrs.ia> - 2023-11-26 11:50 +0000
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-26 13:30 -0800
                          Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 15:43 -0600
                            Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-26 14:09 -0800
                              Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 19:27 -0600
                                Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-12-02 12:17 -0800
                                  Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 18:19 -0600
                                    Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-12-02 19:59 -0800
                                      Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 22:29 -0600
                                        Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-12-02 22:01 -0800
                                          Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 00:24 -0600
                                            Re: What has stopped rotating? Renato Tsval Dobrushkin <olta@snosnavl.vl> - 2023-12-03 11:25 +0000
                                              Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 14:34 -0600
                                                Re: What has stopped rotating? Fabian Tzaregorodtsev Babayan <izab@sogfafrz.tb> - 2023-12-04 15:57 +0000
                                            Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-12-03 14:21 -0800
                                              Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-03 19:38 -0600
                                                Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-12-03 21:03 -0800
                                              Re: What has stopped rotating? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-12-04 14:40 -0500
                                                Re: What has stopped rotating? Brennon Bestuzhev Ryumin <znhb@bseeuntz.rn> - 2023-12-04 21:48 +0000
                                  Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 18:40 -0600
                Re: What has stopped rotating? Buck Musatov <sckv@cuvvtsmb.cs> - 2023-11-24 14:15 +0000
                Re: What has stopped rotating? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 09:37 -0800
                  Re: What has stopped rotating? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 14:25 -0800
                    Re: What has stopped rotating? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-11-27 20:48 +0100
                      Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-27 11:50 -0800
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-11-28 11:40 +0100
                          Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-28 11:53 -0800
                            Re: What has stopped rotating? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-11-29 22:53 +0100
                              Re: What has stopped rotating? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-30 11:00 -0800
                                Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-30 12:12 -0800
                                  Re: What has stopped rotating? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-12-01 13:22 +0100
                                    Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-12-01 18:34 -0800
                                      Re: What has stopped rotating? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-12-02 12:39 +0100
                                        Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-12-02 11:00 -0800
                                          Re: What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 11:08 -0800
                                          Re: What has stopped rotating? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 15:23 -0800
                                          Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 18:23 -0600
                                            Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-12-02 20:02 -0800
                                              Re: What has stopped rotating? Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-02 22:35 -0600
                                    Re: What has stopped rotating? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-12-04 18:27 -0800
              Re: What has stopped rotating? Emilio Marchanukov <kmlo@iommueml.om> - 2023-11-24 16:26 +0000
              Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 10:47 -0800
              Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 10:49 -0800
          Re: What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 17:53 -0800
            Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-24 18:16 -0800
              Re: What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:10 -0800
                Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-24 19:44 -0800
                  Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 21:23 -0800
                    Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-24 21:28 -0800
                      Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 23:12 -0800
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-25 00:10 -0800
                  Re: What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 21:34 -0800
                    Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-26 08:19 -0800
                      Re: What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 11:10 -0800
                        Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-26 16:45 -0800
                          Re: What has stopped rotating? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 16:58 -0800
                            Re: What has stopped rotating? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2023-11-26 22:04 -0800
    Re: What has stopped rotating? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-11-23 10:05 +0100
    Re: What has stopped rotating? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2023-11-23 12:27 +0200

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#625007

On 12/3/2023 5:25 AM, Renato Tsval Dobrushkin wrote:
> USA, thus NATO, is like e𝘃𝗶𝗹 𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘇𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀. I was again convinced of
> this after Irak and Libya.

Which means, you were too dumb to get convinced of that decades earlier.

Why don't you mind your own shortcomings for a change, "Hanson"?

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#625038

Physfitfreak wrote:

> On 12/3/2023 5:25 AM, Renato Tsval Dobrushkin wrote:
>> USA, thus NATO, is like e𝘃𝗶𝗹 𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘇𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀. I was again
>> convinced of this after Irak and Libya.
> 
> Which means, you were too dumb to get convinced of that decades earlier.

you are 𝗮𝗻_𝗶𝗻𝗳𝗶𝗱𝗲𝗹.

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#625010

Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/3/2023 12:01 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/2/2023 9:59 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/2/2023 2:17 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/26/2023 4:09 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 11/26/2023 3:30 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2023 3:31 PM, Baldemar Baburkin wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Piss off Hanson.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> where did you get the idea dat dis guy name is Hanson?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> By detecting the same character in him. And some of the same idiotic
> >>>>>>>> terminologies. He thinks he's smart.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> are you sayin that there is someone posting on usenet with the
> >>>>>>> handle...Hanson?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You don't remember the garbage he was posting?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looking for garbage in these newsgroups is like searching for a needle
> >>>>> in a haystack of needles.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The French guy????
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> He posted under the nickname "Hanson." All garbage stuff, just to troll
> >>>> others. Did it for at least two decades!
> >>>
> >>> isn't he dead?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I hope he was, but I'm afraid not. Pests are never welcome. So he at
> >> last learned something (took 20 years for him) and stopped being a
> >> Hanson anymore, but reappeared now in this role that you see. Making
> >> sure everybody gets his messages by automatically changing his nickname,
> >> and at the same time giving the bullshit he posts as legitimate reasons
> >> to be around and post. In other words, he's still a pest.
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I think you are mistaken. That is not Hanson M.O.
> >
> >
> > Hanson would never 'automatically changing his nickname', Hanson is not
> > a Coward.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> He doesn't change his nicknames for the purpose of staying hidden, he
> changes them to escape the kill-files. He wants his sick menace to reach
> everyone in the newsgroups that he posts. The guy's Hanson :) The
> "HAHAHAHA" guy. Loser then, loser now.

Not only that the poster doesn't have the same MO, he doesn't have the
same fingerprint, style, personality...
...where is the "HAHAHAHA"?





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#625017

On 12/3/2023 4:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> 
> ...where is the "HAHAHAHA"?
> 


You don't know where the HAHAHAHA is?

Check Vulva's vulva; you'll find a folded piece of paper stuck inside. 
You'll pull it out. You'll get your eyeglasses sit tight, then you'll 
unfold it and read the following script on it:

" - Go to Göbekli Tepe, Turkey.
   - Go to the rainwater harvesting system built by those neolithic men
   - Urinate into only the first such grooves carved into stone
   - Follow it, see where your urine moving through the grove stops
   - You'll see a hole there in the stone, about your finger's diameter
   - Get one of your eyes close to its opening and try seeing inside
   - Nothing seen? Stick your middle finger of your left hand inside
   - Nothing felt? Put your ear on the opening
   - You'll hear, "ZABANG!" as if someone farted
   - Then you'll hear, "HAHAHAHA!"

                                   - My name is Alan Folmsbee    "

And that's where the HAHAHAHA is.

Fold the paper back and put it inside the vulva of Vulva. And come back 
to sci.physics. Well done.

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#625021

Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> On 12/3/2023 4:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> >
> > ...where is the "HAHAHAHA"?
> >
> 
> You don't know where the HAHAHAHA is?
> 
> Check Vulva's vulva; you'll find a folded piece of paper stuck inside.
> You'll pull it out. You'll get your eyeglasses sit tight, then you'll
> unfold it and read the following script on it:
> 
> " - Go to Göbekli Tepe, Turkey.
>    - Go to the rainwater harvesting system built by those neolithic men
>    - Urinate into only the first such grooves carved into stone
>    - Follow it, see where your urine moving through the grove stops
>    - You'll see a hole there in the stone, about your finger's diameter
>    - Get one of your eyes close to its opening and try seeing inside
>    - Nothing seen? Stick your middle finger of your left hand inside
>    - Nothing felt? Put your ear on the opening
>    - You'll hear, "ZABANG!" as if someone farted
>    - Then you'll hear, "HAHAHAHA!"
> 
>                                    - My name is Alan Folmsbee    "
> 
> And that's where the HAHAHAHA is.
> 
> Fold the paper back and put it inside the vulva of Vulva. And come back
> to sci.physics. Well done.

You're barking up the wrong tree...

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#625058

On 12/3/2023 5:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 12/3/2023 12:01 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/2/2023 9:59 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/2/2023 2:17 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2023 4:09 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/26/2023 3:30 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/25/2023 3:31 PM, Baldemar Baburkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Piss off Hanson.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> where did you get the idea dat dis guy name is Hanson?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By detecting the same character in him. And some of the same idiotic
>>>>>>>>>> terminologies. He thinks he's smart.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> are you sayin that there is someone posting on usenet with the
>>>>>>>>> handle...Hanson?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't remember the garbage he was posting?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking for garbage in these newsgroups is like searching for a needle
>>>>>>> in a haystack of needles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The French guy????
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He posted under the nickname "Hanson." All garbage stuff, just to troll
>>>>>> others. Did it for at least two decades!
>>>>>
>>>>> isn't he dead?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope he was, but I'm afraid not. Pests are never welcome. So he at
>>>> last learned something (took 20 years for him) and stopped being a
>>>> Hanson anymore, but reappeared now in this role that you see. Making
>>>> sure everybody gets his messages by automatically changing his nickname,
>>>> and at the same time giving the bullshit he posts as legitimate reasons
>>>> to be around and post. In other words, he's still a pest.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but I think you are mistaken. That is not Hanson M.O.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hanson would never 'automatically changing his nickname', Hanson is not
>>> a Coward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> He doesn't change his nicknames for the purpose of staying hidden, he
>> changes them to escape the kill-files. He wants his sick menace to reach
>> everyone in the newsgroups that he posts. The guy's Hanson :) The
>> "HAHAHAHA" guy. Loser then, loser now.
> 
> Not only that the poster doesn't have the same MO, he doesn't have the
> same fingerprint, style, personality...
> ...where is the "HAHAHAHA"?
> 
The nymshifter troll isn't Hanson. The nymshifter is a russian 
agent/apologist/propagandist, and has been posting here for at least a 
decade. Hanson was just a kook who stalked Bert and had a recognizable 
posting style. The nymshifter has been posting at the same time as the 
real Hanson, too, before Hanson left. The nymshifter tries to cause 
trouble by posting disinformation, about the Trump election, Covid, the 
Jan 6 riot, Covid again, and I knew nazified 卐ru⚡︎⚡︎ia卐 was going to 
attack Ukraine since it switched to anti-Ukraine propaganda a month or 
two before Feb 24 2022 and it has been posting 卐ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 propaganda 
since.

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#625062

Volney wrote:

> On 12/3/2023 5:21 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>> Not only that the poster doesn't have the same MO, he doesn't have the
>> same fingerprint, style, personality... ...where is the "HAHAHAHA"?
>> 
> T̶h̶e̶ n̶y̶m̶s̶h̶i̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ t̶r̶o̶l̶l̶ i̶s̶n̶'t̶ H̶a̶n̶s̶o̶n̶. T̶h̶e̶ n̶y̶m̶s̶h̶i̶f̶t̶e̶r̶ i̶s̶ a̶ r̶u̶s̶s̶i̶a̶n̶

most likely you are a member of the {𝘁𝗿𝗶𝗯𝗲}. A 𝗦𝗺𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗸𝘆 with 𝗱𝘂𝗮𝗹_𝗰𝗶𝘁𝗶𝘇𝗲𝗻𝘀𝗵𝗶𝗽. 
Since that, go back to Poland. You just killed millions of people in 
𝘄𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻_𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮, misnamed "ukurina". You disgusting dirty prick.

𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀_𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱_𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺_𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗿𝘀,_𝘃𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗵𝘆𝗽𝗼𝗰𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗲𝘀_(𝗠𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘄_23)

 𝗘𝗻𝗱𝗴𝗮𝗺𝗲:_𝗛𝗼𝘄_𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹_𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲_𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗸_𝗮𝗳𝘁𝗲𝗿_𝗶𝘁𝘀_𝗱𝗲𝗳𝗲𝗮𝘁?
It's all over bar the shouting for Zelensky and his followers, so what 
will be the reaction in Kiev and beyond? 
https://r%74.com/russia/588284-darkening-prospects-ukraine-postwar/

It was never not even about 𝗳𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮. It was solely based on 𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘆 
𝗹𝗮𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴.

The former Ukraine was a nation gone mad, much 𝗹𝗶𝗸𝗲 𝗡𝗮𝘇𝗶 𝗚𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆. With no 
prospect for victory Ukraine had no chance to prevail against Russia. It 
was simply a matter of time before Russia intervened 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗗𝗼𝗻𝗯𝗮𝘀 from 
the 𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻 𝗯𝗮𝗰𝗸𝗲𝗱 𝗳𝗮𝘀𝗰𝗶𝘀𝘁𝘀. F with Russia and pay the price. No sympathy for 
the former Ukraine. The only sane ones were 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗲𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗹𝗲𝗳𝘁, by t𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀.

What Ukraine? 𝗪𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻 𝗥𝘂𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗮 and 𝗲𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗻 𝗣𝗼𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗱 you mean..? Spot on

I agree with Stoltenberg that this victory of Russia is a humiliating 
defeat of US-UK-NATO-Nazis.

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#625070

On 12/2/2023 2:17 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 11/26/2023 4:09 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 11/26/2023 3:30 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/25/2023 3:31 PM, Baldemar Baburkin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Piss off Hanson.
>>>>>
>>>>> where did you get the idea dat dis guy name is Hanson?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By detecting the same character in him. And some of the same idiotic
>>>> terminologies. He thinks he's smart.
>>>
>>> are you sayin that there is someone posting on usenet with the
>>> handle...Hanson?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You don't remember the garbage he was posting?
> 
> 
> 
> Looking for garbage in these newsgroups is like searching for a needle
> in a haystack of needles.
> 
> 
> The French guy????
> 
> 



I don't know what nationality he had. He was very good in German and 
could even detect different dialects of it. I deliberately responded 
once to him in Swiss German, and he right away narrowed it even to the 
city in which they speak like that!.. :) He was pretty good in English 
as well. And he knew something in chemistry and physics.

But he was a pest in sci.physics, just as he is now.

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#624462

Volney wrote:

> No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the
> gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the
> force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravity
> (-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved,
> gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in
> this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess
> parallel to the ground.

not true. You mostly mean perpendicular on the gravity force. But there 
the x-y axis will show exactly ZERO in force, me friend. US=NATO, Russia 
has 𝗮𝗹𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗱𝘆_𝗱𝗲𝗳𝗲𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 3 NATO European militaries 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵_$300_𝗕𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻_𝗶𝗻_𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗶𝗻𝗴, I 
dare you!

but we need 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗺𝘂𝗻𝗶𝘀𝗺. No s𝗮𝗻𝗲_𝘀𝗼𝗹𝗱𝗶𝗲𝗿 (troupes!!) will fight to death for 
the riches of 𝗮𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿_𝗖𝗵𝗮𝗯𝗮𝗱 khazar goy 𝗰𝗮𝗽𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘀𝘁. We need equal rights in 
wealth and everything. Otherwise, fuck youuu. Including Russia, you gonna 
stink. My friend??

 𝗞𝗿𝗲𝗺𝗹𝗶𝗻_𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗻𝗱𝘀_𝘁𝗼_𝗡𝗔𝗧𝗢’𝘀_‘𝗺𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘆_𝗦𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗻’_𝗽𝗹𝗮𝗻
The move is another escalation of the US-led alliance’s confrontation with 
Russia, spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said 
https://r%74.com/russia/587903-kremlin--nato-military-schengen/

Oh the irony of it all... Now as I recall people in Germany, Poland, 
Hungary, Romania and other ex USSR satellites regularly denounced how 
soviet bases were permanently based in the country and occupied by soviet 
troops... Now guess what ? NATO doing the same thing !!!!!!!! How ironical 
indeed that these fools like the Poles and the Baltic countries or the 
Romanians and the Bulgars can't smell the coffee. It means the end of 
their sovereignty and existence as countries.

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#624471

On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 1:29:40 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote:
> On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote: 
> > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> >> Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan: 
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God. 
> >>> 
> >>> The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. 
> >> A gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics. 
> >> There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws 
> >> of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should 
> >> be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope 
> >> in a gravitational field precess without divine help. 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Paul 
> >> 
> >> https://paulba.no/ 
> > 
> > Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universe 
> > 
> > This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at a constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics.
> No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the 
> gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the 
> force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravity 
> (-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, 
> gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in 
> this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess 
> parallel to the ground.

As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit

Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?

https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space

"There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft: 
fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station 
has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station".

Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).

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#624487

On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 1:29:40 AM UTC-3, Volney wrote: 
> > On 11/23/2023 11:14 PM, patdolan wrote: 
> > > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 12:11:27 PM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> > >> Den 23.11.2023 06:21, skrev patdolan: 
> > >>>> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 6:39:34 PM UTC-8, patdolan wrote: 
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> The precession of the gyroscope is a piece of a posteriori synthetic knowledge which, while it can be precisely described by mathematical expressions, is an utter mystery as to why it occurs in the first place. The gravity-defying free end of a spinning gyroscope constitutes a perfectly consistent proof of the existence of God. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> The gyroscopic phenomenon is epi-Newtonian and epi-Hamiltonian. We have no mechanics that fully describe it. There is no equation in mechanics that relates a force vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass to the gravitational field vector at the unsupported end of a rotating mass. 
> > >> A gyroscope is perfectly described by Newtonian Mechanics. 
> > >> There are no mysteries, it all follows from Newton's laws 
> > >> of motion. If you are reasonably intelligent, you should 
> > >> be able to understand how said laws of motion make a gyroscope 
> > >> in a gravitational field precess without divine help. 
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> Paul 
> > >> 
> > >> https://paulba.no/ 
> > > 
> > > Newton's laws only describe the precession of the angular momentum vector of a gyroscope when a force vector is crossed with that angular momentum vector. Newton's law give no hint, and have no clue as to why the direction of a gyroscope's angular momentum vector desires to remain unchanged with respect to the rest of the universe in the first place. Or what type of field, if any, that angular momentum field is coupling with in order to maintain its orientation to the universe 
> > > 
> > > This desire even counteracts the force of gravity. As long as the angular momentum vector's magnitude (not it's direction) remains unchanged, the free end of a gyroscope will not fall in a gravitational field. Instead it will precess at the at a constant z coordinate value and maintain a constant gravitational potential. Why the free end of the gyroscope desires to precess instead of desiring to fall to a lower gravitational potential, is a complete mystery to modern mechanics. 
> > No mystery. The cross product of the angular momentum vector and the 
> > gravity vector (downward) is at a right angle to both. That means the 
> > force on the gyroscope free end will move at a right angle to gravity 
> > (-z direction) so it will move in the xy plane. No "desire" involved, 
> > gyroscopes are inanimate objects. It follows the laws of physics, in 
> > this case high school level physics, so the free end will precess 
> > parallel to the ground.
> As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit 
> 
> Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing? 
> 
> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space 
> 
> "There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft: 
> fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station 
> has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station". 
> 
> Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).


Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video.

Explain that too, Volney.

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#624714

Den 24.11.2023 23:25, skrev Richard Hertz:
> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit
>>
>> Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?
>>
>> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space
>>
>> "There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft:
>> fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station
>> has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station".
>>
>> Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).
> 
> 
> Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video.
> 
> Explain that too, Volney.

I am sure you sometime in your life have played with a spinning top.
If the spin axis isn't exactly vertical, it does precess.

If you spin it in the ISS, it will not precess regardless
of the direction of its axis.

What is the difference between the two cases, Richard? :-D

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#624715

On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 11:46:30 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 24.11.2023 23:25, skrev Richard Hertz: 
> > On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> >> As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit 
> >> 
> >> Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing? 
> >> 
> >> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space 
> >> 
> >> "There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft: 
> >> fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station 
> >> has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station". 
> >> 
> >> Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect). 
> > 
> > 
> > Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video. 
> > 
> > Explain that too, Volney.
> I am sure you sometime in your life have played with a spinning top. 
> If the spin axis isn't exactly vertical, it does precess. 
> 
> If you spin it in the ISS, it will not precess regardless 
> of the direction of its axis. 
> 
> What is the difference between the two cases, Richard? :-D 
> 
> -- 
> Paul 
> 
> https://paulba.no/
Wrong, professor Paul.  The ISS gyroscope WILL precess.  But only once per orbit.  Just like a long, heavy pendulum.

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#624750

Den 27.11.2023 20:50, skrev patdolan:
> On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 11:46:30 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 24.11.2023 23:25, skrev Richard Hertz:
>>> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
>>>> As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit
>>>>
>>>> Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space
>>>>
>>>> "There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft:
>>>> fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station
>>>> has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station".
>>>>
>>>> Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect).
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video.
>>>
>>> Explain that too, Volney.
>> I am sure you sometime in your life have played with a spinning top.
>> If the spin axis isn't exactly vertical, it does precess.
>>
>> If you spin it in the ISS, it will not precess regardless
>> of the direction of its axis.
>>
>> What is the difference between the two cases, Richard? :-D
>>
>> -- 
>> Paul
>>
>> https://paulba.no/

> Wrong, professor Paul.  The ISS gyroscope WILL precess.  But only once per orbit.  Just like a long, heavy pendulum.

OK, I will give you a challenge.

The ISS will always face the same side towards the Earth,
so it is rotating once per orbit.

A gyro (or some object) is spinning in the ISS.
At some time, the spin axis is perpendicular to ISS' velocity
in the ECI-frame, and parallel to the surface of the Earth.
(Or in any other _well defined direction_, if you prefer.)

The challenge is to describe the motion of the spin axis
as the ISS orbits the Earth once.

Why do you call this motion "precession"?

Second challenge:
A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS.
A stable situation is that the pendulum is always
pointing towards the centre of the Earth.

Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?
Which forces are acting on the spinning gyro in the ISS?

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#624767

On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 27.11.2023 20:50, skrev patdolan: 
> > On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 11:46:30 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> >> Den 24.11.2023 23:25, skrev Richard Hertz: 
> >>> On Friday, November 24, 2023 at 2:37:52 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> >>>> As always, an opinionated asshole writing bullshit 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Explain this, Volney, about gyroscopes working in the ISS. Where is its main axis pointing? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Videos/2016/03/Gyroscopes_in_space 
> >>>> 
> >>>> "There is no up or down in space. Satellites track their pointing direction using the same approach as on submarines and aircraft: 
> >>>> fast-spinning gyroscopes that maintain a fixed orientation in the same way as a child’s spinning top. The International Space Station 
> >>>> has four big gyroscopes which are used for stabilization of the station". 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Now apply something of this to galaxies rotation curves and dark matter (or another unknown physics effect). 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Also, observe: no precession in the gyro experiment done in the ISS, as it was shown in the ESA video. 
> >>> 
> >>> Explain that too, Volney. 
> >> I am sure you sometime in your life have played with a spinning top. 
> >> If the spin axis isn't exactly vertical, it does precess. 
> >> 
> >> If you spin it in the ISS, it will not precess regardless 
> >> of the direction of its axis. 
> >> 
> >> What is the difference between the two cases, Richard? :-D 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Paul 
> >> 
> >> https://paulba.no/ 
> 
> > Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum.
> OK, I will give you a challenge. 
> 
> The ISS will always face the same side towards the Earth, 
> so it is rotating once per orbit. 
> 
> A gyro (or some object) is spinning in the ISS. 
> At some time, the spin axis is perpendicular to ISS' velocity 
> in the ECI-frame, and parallel to the surface of the Earth. 
> (Or in any other _well defined direction_, if you prefer.) 
> 
> The challenge is to describe the motion of the spin axis 
> as the ISS orbits the Earth once. 
> 
> Why do you call this motion "precession"? 
You are right.  This is not precession.  It is, as Mitch might put it, space-brace.  Precession involves an applied torque which does not happen in the ISS example.
> 
> Second challenge: 
> A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS. 
> A stable situation is that the pendulum is always 
> pointing towards the centre of the Earth. 
> 
> Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?
Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe.  Because the pendulum is in free fall around both.  Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and the ISS gyroscope.

> Which forces are acting on the spinning gyro in the ISS? 
> 
> -- 
> Paul 
> 
> https://paulba.no/

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#624822

Den 28.11.2023 20:53, skrev patdolan:
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> Den 27.11.2023 20:50, skrev patdolan:
>>
>>> Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum.

>> OK, I will give you a challenge.
>>
>> The ISS will always face the same side towards the Earth,
>> so it is rotating once per orbit.
>>
>> A gyro (or some object) is spinning in the ISS.
>> At some time, the spin axis is perpendicular to ISS' velocity
>> in the ECI-frame, and parallel to the surface of the Earth.
>> (Or in any other _well defined direction_, if you prefer.)
>>
>> The challenge is to describe the motion of the spin axis
>> as the ISS orbits the Earth once.
>>
>> Why do you call this motion "precession"?

> You are right.  This is not precession.  It is, as Mitch might put it, space-brace.  Precession involves an applied torque which does not happen in the ISS example.

>>
>> Second challenge:
>> A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS.
>> A stable situation is that the pendulum is always
>> pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
>>
>> Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?

> Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe.  Because the pendulum is in free fall around both.  Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and the ISS gyroscope.

According to Newton:

The gravitational force on any object with mass m is
always GMm/r² pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
If the object is free falling, the gravitational
(coordinate) acceleration will be GM/r², pointing
towards the centre of the Earth.

The CG of ISS + pendulum is moving in circular orbit,
which means that the acceleration is perpendicular to
the velocity, so the acceleration ω²⋅r₀ is the centripetal
acceleration which make the ISS move in circular orbit.
The centripetal acceleration is equal to the gravitational
acceleration:
    ω²⋅r₀ = GM/r₀²      (1)
where ω is the angular velocity off the ISS, and r₀ is the
distance from the CG of ISS+pendulum to the centre of the Earth.

Equation (1) say that an object with angular velocity ω
must have a distance from the centre of the Earth:
  r₀  = ∛(GM/ω²) to make the centripetal acceleration equal
to the gravitational acceleration.

The pendulum mass m is not free falling because:

Its distance to the centre of the Earth is:
  r₁ = r₀-L where L is the length of the pendulum.
So r₁ < r₀, but the angular velocity of m is the same ω,
and  r₁ <  ∛(GM/ω²), which means that:
     ω²⋅r₁ < GM/r₁²      (2)
The centripetal acceleration is smaller than the gravitational
acceleration, so the force the string is acting on
the pendulum mass is F₁ = m⋅(GM/r₁²-ω²⋅r₁)

---

An interesting point is that you could have a pendulum
on the other side of th ISS, pointing outwards from the
centre of the Earth.
The force the string is acting on the mass m is:
F₂ = m⋅(ω²⋅r₂-GM/r₂²)

F₁ and F₂ are called tidal forces.
(It's a tidal bulge on both sides of the Earth)
-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#624870

On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 22:51:11 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 28.11.2023 20:53, skrev patdolan: 
> > On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> >> Den 27.11.2023 20:50, skrev patdolan: 
> >> 
> >>> Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum. 
> 
> >> OK, I will give you a challenge. 
> >> 
> >> The ISS will always face the same side towards the Earth, 
> >> so it is rotating once per orbit. 
> >> 
> >> A gyro (or some object) is spinning in the ISS. 
> >> At some time, the spin axis is perpendicular to ISS' velocity 
> >> in the ECI-frame, and parallel to the surface of the Earth. 
> >> (Or in any other _well defined direction_, if you prefer.) 
> >> 
> >> The challenge is to describe the motion of the spin axis 
> >> as the ISS orbits the Earth once. 
> >> 
> >> Why do you call this motion "precession"? 
> 
> > You are right. This is not precession. It is, as Mitch might put it, space-brace. Precession involves an applied torque which does not happen in the ISS example. 
> 
> >> 
> >> Second challenge: 
> >> A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS. 
> >> A stable situation is that the pendulum is always 
> >> pointing towards the centre of the Earth. 
> >> 
> >> Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass? 
> 
> > Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and the ISS gyroscope.
> According to Newton: 
> 
> The gravitational force on any object with mass m is 
> always GMm/r² pointing towards the centre of the Earth. 

Learn your Shit, poor halfbrain, there is no
gravitational force.

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#624880

On Thursday, November 30, 2023 at 11:00:45 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 22:51:11 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> > Den 28.11.2023 20:53, skrev patdolan: 
> > > On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> > >> Den 27.11.2023 20:50, skrev patdolan: 
> > >> 
> > >>> Wrong, professor Paul. The ISS gyroscope WILL precess. But only once per orbit. Just like a long, heavy pendulum. 
> > 
> > >> OK, I will give you a challenge. 
> > >> 
> > >> The ISS will always face the same side towards the Earth, 
> > >> so it is rotating once per orbit. 
> > >> 
> > >> A gyro (or some object) is spinning in the ISS. 
> > >> At some time, the spin axis is perpendicular to ISS' velocity 
> > >> in the ECI-frame, and parallel to the surface of the Earth. 
> > >> (Or in any other _well defined direction_, if you prefer.) 
> > >> 
> > >> The challenge is to describe the motion of the spin axis 
> > >> as the ISS orbits the Earth once. 
> > >> 
> > >> Why do you call this motion "precession"? 
> > 
> > > You are right. This is not precession. It is, as Mitch might put it, space-brace. Precession involves an applied torque which does not happen in the ISS example. 
> > 
> > >> 
> > >> Second challenge: 
> > >> A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS. 
> > >> A stable situation is that the pendulum is always 
> > >> pointing towards the centre of the Earth. 
> > >> 
> > >> Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass? 
> > 
> > > Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and the ISS gyroscope. 
> > According to Newton: 
> > 
> > The gravitational force on any object with mass m is 
> > always GMm/r² pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
> Learn your Shit, poor halfbrain, there is no 
> gravitational force.
Nicely played sir, nicely played!

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#624908

Den 30.11.2023 21:12, skrev patdolan:
>> On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 22:51:11 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>> Den 28.11.2023 20:53, skrev patdolan:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Second challenge:
>>>>> A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS.
>>>>> A stable situation is that the pendulum is always
>>>>> pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass?

>>>
>>>> Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and the ISS gyroscope.

>>> According to Newton:
>>> 
>>> The gravitational force on any object with mass m is
>>> always GMm/r² pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
>>> If the object is free falling, the gravitational
>>> (coordinate) acceleration will be GM/r², pointing
>>> towards the centre of the Earth.
>>> 
>>> The CG of ISS + pendulum is moving in circular orbit,
>>> which means that the acceleration is perpendicular to
>>> the velocity, so the acceleration ω²⋅r₀ is the centripetal
>>> acceleration which make the ISS move in circular orbit.
>>> The centripetal acceleration is equal to the gravitational
>>> acceleration:
>>>    ω²⋅r₀ = GM/r₀²      (1)
>>> where ω is the angular velocity off the ISS, and r₀ is the
>>> distance from the CG of ISS+pendulum to the centre of the Earth.
>>> 
>>> Equation (1) say that an object with angular velocity ω
>>> must have a distance from the centre of the Earth:
>>>  r₀  = ∛(GM/ω²) to make the centripetal acceleration equal
>>> to the gravitational acceleration.
>>> 
>>> The pendulum mass m is not free falling because:
>>> 
>>> Its distance to the centre of the Earth is:
>>>  r₁ = r₀-L where L is the length of the pendulum.
>>> So r₁ < r₀, but the angular velocity of m is the same ω,
>>> and  r₁ <  ∛(GM/ω²), which means that:
>>>     ω²⋅r₁ < GM/r₁²      (2)
>>> The centripetal acceleration is smaller than the gravitational
>>> acceleration, so the force the string is acting on
>>> the pendulum mass is F₁ = m⋅(GM/r₁²-ω²⋅r₁)
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> An interesting point is that you could have a pendulum
>>> on the other side of the ISS, pointing outwards from the
>>> centre of the Earth.
>>> The force the string is acting on the mass m is:
>>> F₂ = m⋅(ω²⋅r₂-GM/r₂²)
>>> 
>>> F₁ and F₂ are called tidal forces.
>>> (It's a tidal bulge on both sides of the Earth)


No comment, Pat?

You claimed that there were no forces on the pendulum.
I showed you that you could have a pendulum on both
sides of the ISS, and the pendulum strings will exert
forces on the pendulum masses, acting towards the ISS.

And GR predicts the same!

Do you realise that you were wrong, but won't admit it,
so you ignore my post, hoping that nobody will notice
your failure.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#624927

On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 4:20:14 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 30.11.2023 21:12, skrev patdolan: 
> >> On Wednesday, 29 November 2023 at 22:51:11 UTC+1, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> >>> Den 28.11.2023 20:53, skrev patdolan: 
> >>>> On Tuesday, November 28, 2023 at 2:38:09 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Second challenge: 
> >>>>> A long heavy pendulum is hanging under the ISS. 
> >>>>> A stable situation is that the pendulum is always 
> >>>>> pointing towards the centre of the Earth. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Which forces are acting on the pendulum mass? 
> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Neither the sun's gravitational field nor the earth's gravitational field exerts a force on the pendulum you discribe. Because the pendulum is in free fall around both. Only Mach's mysterious trans-universe space-brace field acts on the pendulum and the ISS gyroscope. 
> 
> >>> According to Newton: 
> >>> 
> >>> The gravitational force on any object with mass m is 
> >>> always GMm/r² pointing towards the centre of the Earth.
> >>> If the object is free falling, the gravitational
> >>> (coordinate) acceleration will be GM/r², pointing
> >>> towards the centre of the Earth. 
> >>>
> >>> The CG of ISS + pendulum is moving in circular orbit, 
> >>> which means that the acceleration is perpendicular to 
> >>> the velocity, so the acceleration ω²⋅r₀ is the centripetal 
> >>> acceleration which make the ISS move in circular orbit. 
> >>> The centripetal acceleration is equal to the gravitational 
> >>> acceleration: 
> >>> ω²⋅r₀ = GM/r₀² (1) 
> >>> where ω is the angular velocity off the ISS, and r₀ is the 
> >>> distance from the CG of ISS+pendulum to the centre of the Earth. 
> >>> 
> >>> Equation (1) say that an object with angular velocity ω 
> >>> must have a distance from the centre of the Earth: 
> >>> r₀ = ∛(GM/ω²) to make the centripetal acceleration equal 
> >>> to the gravitational acceleration. 
> >>> 
> >>> The pendulum mass m is not free falling because: 
> >>> 
> >>> Its distance to the centre of the Earth is: 
> >>> r₁ = r₀-L where L is the length of the pendulum. 
> >>> So r₁ < r₀, but the angular velocity of m is the same ω, 
> >>> and r₁ < ∛(GM/ω²), which means that: 
> >>> ω²⋅r₁ < GM/r₁² (2) 
> >>> The centripetal acceleration is smaller than the gravitational 
> >>> acceleration, so the force the string is acting on 
> >>> the pendulum mass is F₁ = m⋅(GM/r₁²-ω²⋅r₁) 
> >>> 
> >>> --- 
> >>> 
> >>> An interesting point is that you could have a pendulum
> >>> on the other side of the ISS, pointing outwards from the 
> >>> centre of the Earth.
> >>> The force the string is acting on the mass m is: 
> >>> F₂ = m⋅(ω²⋅r₂-GM/r₂²) 
> >>> 
> >>> F₁ and F₂ are called tidal forces. 
> >>> (It's a tidal bulge on both sides of the Earth)
> No comment, Pat? 
> 
> You claimed that there were no forces on the pendulum. 
> I showed you that you could have a pendulum on both 
> sides of the ISS, and the pendulum strings will exert 
> forces on the pendulum masses, acting towards the ISS. 
> 
> And GR predicts the same! 
> 
> Do you realise that you were wrong, but won't admit it, 
> so you ignore my post, hoping that nobody will notice 
> your failure. 
> 
> -- 
> Paul 
> 
> https://paulba.no/

Paul, I am happy to comment on the ISS pendulum problem.  But first I would like to exploit my leverage over you in this matter.  I will comment in a most shocking manner if you first agree to

1) State to this forum that the source of the gyroscopic counter torque which exactly opposes any torque placed on a gyroscope to keep it from falling over, as it does when a torque is applied to a g-scope when it is not spinning, is a complete scientific mystery and has never been derived from first principles.

and 

2) You stipulate that no matter what he types in this forum, Tom Roberts also does not understand the gyroscopic counter-torque.

Do these two things and I will comment on your pendulum.

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