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  Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 12:49 -0800
    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 20:53 -0800
      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-18 11:58 -0800
        Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 13:40 -0800
          Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 15:22 -0800
            Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 18:02 -0800
              Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-19 18:30 -0800
              Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 21:27 -0800
                Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-19 23:42 -0800
                  Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-20 00:06 -0800
                  Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-20 13:47 -0500
                    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-21 00:00 -0800
                      Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-21 18:55 -0600
                      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 11:20 -0800
                        Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 11:52 -0800
                          Re: Sun Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 11:58 -0800
                            Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 12:42 -0800
                              Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 16:11 -0800
                              Re: Sun Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 12:09 -0800
                          Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 16:22 -0800
                            Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 18:38 -0600
                            Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-22 17:57 -0800
                              Re: Sun "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2023-11-23 21:24 +0100
                          Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-22 21:26 -0500
                            Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-22 22:31 -0800
                              Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-23 13:17 -0800
                                Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-23 22:02 -0800
                                  Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-23 22:31 -0800
                                    Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-23 22:47 -0800
                                      Re: Sun Jonathanrob Bakhtiarov <rajr@ttjijhtt.an> - 2023-11-24 19:00 +0000
                                      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 11:19 -0800
                                        Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 12:31 -0800
                                          Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 16:00 -0800
                                            Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 17:21 -0800
                                              Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 21:16 -0800
                                              Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-24 21:36 -0800
                                            Re: Sun "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 17:29 -0800
                                            Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:51 -0600
                                            Re: Sun Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-11-25 07:36 +0100
                                        Re: Sun Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2023-11-24 12:28 -0800
                                        Re: Sun Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:42 -0600
                                    Re: Sun "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 17:33 -0800
                                    Re: Sun Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-11-26 13:13 -0500
                                      Re: Sun Uriah Bahmatoff <mbut@tbafffff.ar> - 2023-11-26 19:48 +0000
                                      Re: Sun Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 12:07 -0800
                                      Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-26 13:31 -0800
                                        Re: Sun Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-11-26 16:34 -0800
                Re: Sun Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-11-20 12:14 -0600
    Re: Sun The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-17 21:22 -0800
      Re: Sun "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-11-24 19:26 -0800

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#624108 — Sun

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-17 12:49 -0800
SubjectSun
Message-ID<6557D1BC.4008@ix.netcom.com>
earth and other things revolve
around the sun...
that can only mean one thing..
the sun is not moving.



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#624119

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-17 20:53 -0800
Message-ID<65584367.48C@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624108
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> earth and other things revolve
> around the sun...
> that can only mean one thing..
> the sun is not moving.

it is my undrstanding...
the sun being a star..
that there are no stars that move.



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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
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#624128

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-18 11:58 -0800
Message-ID<65591773.3F13@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624119
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > earth and other things revolve
> > around the sun...
> > that can only mean one thing..
> > the sun is not moving.
> 
> it is my undrstanding...
> the sun being a star..
> that there are no stars that move.
> 


Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
did it go????




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The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624176

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-19 13:40 -0800
Message-ID<655A80D1.147A@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624128
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > earth and other things revolve
> > > around the sun...
> > > that can only mean one thing..
> > > the sun is not moving.
> >
> > it is my undrstanding...
> > the sun being a star..
> > that there are no stars that move.
> >
> 
> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> did it go????


Does that North star ever move???

(by move, i mean move it's position)



> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624179

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-11-19 15:22 -0800
Message-ID<c1472656-657d-43e6-bdad-2c1a7db0f7den@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#624176
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > 
> > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > earth and other things revolve 
> > > > around the sun... 
> > > > that can only mean one thing.. 
> > > > the sun is not moving. 
> > > 
> > > it is my undrstanding... 
> > > the sun being a star.. 
> > > that there are no stars that move. 
> > > 
> > 
> > Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where 
> > did it go????
> Does that North star ever move??? 
> 
> (by move, i mean move it's position)

Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.

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#624184

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-19 18:02 -0800
Message-ID<655ABE44.1BB4@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624179
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > earth and other things revolve
> > > > > around the sun...
> > > > > that can only mean one thing..
> > > > > the sun is not moving.
> > > >
> > > > it is my undrstanding...
> > > > the sun being a star..
> > > > that there are no stars that move.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > > did it go????
> > Does that North star ever move???
> >
> > (by move, i mean move it's position)
> 
> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.

You maean North of the North pole is...up?

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624185

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-11-19 18:30 -0800
Message-ID<1447420b-36d6-4150-87a9-0e906200f291n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#624184
On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 6:02:21 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > 
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > earth and other things revolve 
> > > > > > around the sun... 
> > > > > > that can only mean one thing.. 
> > > > > > the sun is not moving. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > it is my undrstanding... 
> > > > > the sun being a star.. 
> > > > > that there are no stars that move. 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where 
> > > > did it go???? 
> > > Does that North star ever move??? 
> > > 
> > > (by move, i mean move it's position) 
> > 
> > Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> You maean North of the North pole is...up?

That is not what I said. I said that the north star (Polaris) is south of the actual celestial pole. This is basic astronomy 101... read a danf textbook!

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#624188

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-19 21:27 -0800
Message-ID<655AEE47.4585@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624184
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > earth and other things revolve
> > > > > > around the sun...
> > > > > > that can only mean one thing..
> > > > > > the sun is not moving.
> > > > >
> > > > > it is my undrstanding...
> > > > > the sun being a star..
> > > > > that there are no stars that move.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > > > did it go????
> > > Does that North star ever move???
> > >
> > > (by move, i mean move it's position)
> >
> > Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> 
> You maean North of the North pole is...up?


Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.

It does not move.

Where does it say Polaris...moves? 




-- 
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624192

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-19 23:42 -0800
Message-ID<655B0DE6.1675@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624188
Volney wrote:
> 
> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> >>>>>>>> around the sun...
> >>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> >>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> >>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> >>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> >>>>>> did it go????
> >>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> >>>>
> >>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> >>>
> >>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> 
> >> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> >> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> >>
> >> It does not move.
> >>
> >> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> >
> >   Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> 
> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.

It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.

position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.

If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
there."

He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
from there.


None of the stars in the universe ...move.

None of the stars in the universe will change their position.

The dog is not going anywhere.


See Spot run in circle
See Spot ain't going no where.


"Don't worry, he won't move from there."

Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.


The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of
time. It hasn't moved. 

Do I have to name all the other stars???? 

Sun?



really?
















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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624193

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-20 00:06 -0800
Message-ID<655B137B.2911@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624192
wait a minute here...you guys are not going to
tell me the sun sets and the sun rises, are you?


The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Volney wrote:
> >
> > On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> > >>>>>>>> around the sun...
> > >>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> > >>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> > >>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> > >>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > >>>>>> did it go????
> > >>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> > >>>
> > >>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> >
> > >> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> > >> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> > >>
> > >> It does not move.
> > >>
> > >> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> > >
> > >   Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> >
> > Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> > (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> 
> It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> 
> position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> 
> If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> there."
> 
> He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> from there.
> 
> None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> 
> None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> 
> The dog is not going anywhere.
> 
> See Spot run in circle
> See Spot ain't going no where.
> 
> "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.
> 
> The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of
> time. It hasn't moved.
> 
> Do I have to name all the other stars????
> 
> Sun?
> 
> really?
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624211

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-11-20 13:47 -0500
Message-ID<ujg9ko$e10h$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#624192
On 11/20/2023 2:42 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Volney wrote:
>>
>> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
>>>>>>>>>> around the sun...
>>>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
>>>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
>>>>>>>>> the sun being a star..
>>>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
>>>>>>>> did it go????
>>>>>>> Does that North star ever move???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
>>>>>
>>>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
>>
>>>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
>>>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
>>>>
>>>> It does not move.
>>>>
>>>> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
>>>
>>>    Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
>>
>> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
>> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> 
> It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> 
> position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> 
> If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> there."
> 
> He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> from there.
> 
> 
> None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> 
> None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> 
> The dog is not going anywhere.
> 
> 
> See Spot run in circle
> See Spot ain't going no where.
> 
> 
> "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.

So you changed your claim that Polaris doesn't move like the other stars 
do around the celestial North Pole, and when Paul and I showed you to be 
wrong, you changed your claim to be something like the stars don't move 
across the sky, only in circles.

All star "dogs" are tied to the tree, it's just that Polaris has a much 
shorter leash than the others.

> 
> 
> The Big Dipper has always been in the same place since the beginning of
> time. It hasn't moved.

The stars do move across the sky (proper motion), but do so slowly 
enough so that ordinary stargazers won't notice. You can find pictures 
of what the distorted Big Dipper will look like in a few thousand years 
on the web.
> 
> Do I have to name all the other stars????
> 
> Sun?
> 
> 
> 
> really?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

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#624226

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-21 00:00 -0800
Message-ID<655C63B3.3DF8@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624211
Volney wrote:
> 
> On 11/20/2023 2:42 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Volney wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> >>>>>>>>>> around the sun...
> >>>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> >>>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> >>>>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> >>>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> >>>>>>>> did it go????
> >>>>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> >>
> >>>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> >>>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> >>>>
> >>>> It does not move.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> >>>
> >>>    Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> >>
> >> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> >> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> >
> > It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> > around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> >
> > position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> >
> > If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> > there."
> >
> > He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> > from there.
> >
> >
> > None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> >
> > None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> >
> > The dog is not going anywhere.
> >
> >
> > See Spot run in circle
> > See Spot ain't going no where.
> >
> >
> > "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> >
> > Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.
> 
> So you changed your claim that Polaris doesn't move like the other stars
> do around the celestial North Pole, and when Paul and I showed you to be
> wrong, you changed your claim to be something like the stars don't move
> across the sky, only in circles.


No, I did not 'change my claim'...

it's just yous people don't understand simple English.

I wrote "stars don't move'. 

It's just that yous people don't understand the definition of the
word..."move".



https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/move
to (cause to) change position: 

a change of place, position, or state.


Stars do not change the place or the position they are in, ..they don't
MOVE. 


Stars do not change the place or the position they are in means in fact
the same thing..stars don't move!



it's not my fault your english teacher was on vacation all year...
















-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624252

FromPhysfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2023-11-21 18:55 -0600
Message-ID<ujjjik$1qdvo$4@solani.org>
In reply to#624226
On 11/21/2023 2:00 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> it's not my fault your english teacher was on vacation all year...
> 
> 


Must've been sick of looking at a "vulva" sitting there all the time.

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#624336

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-22 11:20 -0800
Message-ID<655E5476.4A80@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624226
maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be
sure
(or not even there anymore)

but our sun doesn't move.

It might appear to move...
everything else is moving around it
(including the entire space..
but our sun doesn't move.

And what about our Moon? It don't move either!

i wanna see the dark side of the moon...but
for some reason it just doesn't wanna move.


The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Volney wrote:
> >
> > On 11/20/2023 2:42 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > Volney wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 11/20/2023 1:20 AM, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 9:27:14 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 1:40:11 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> earth and other things revolve
> > >>>>>>>>>> around the sun...
> > >>>>>>>>>> that can only mean one thing..
> > >>>>>>>>>> the sun is not moving.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> it is my undrstanding...
> > >>>>>>>>> the sun being a star..
> > >>>>>>>>> that there are no stars that move.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Hey! Where is the Big Dipper? I don't see it...it must have moved! Where
> > >>>>>>>> did it go????
> > >>>>>>> Does that North star ever move???
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> (by move, i mean move it's position)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Since it is not *exactly* above the pole, yes, it does.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> You maean North of the North pole is...up?
> > >>
> > >>>> Just because it is above/up the pole of the North pole above up doesn't
> > >>>> mean it is moving. Polaris does not move it's position. It is ...fixed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It does not move.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Where does it say Polaris...moves?
> > >>>
> > >>>    Are you really this uninformed? ANY star that does not have a declination of +90  or -90 is going to rotate around the pole... period!
> > >>
> > >> Since Polaris has a declination of +89° 15′ 51″, it does move in a
> > >> (small) circle. A circle more than the full moon.
> > >
> > > It doesn't move from the place it is located. It might spin, revolve..go
> > > around in circles...but it doesn't move from it's position.
> > >
> > > position means the place it is located. It won't move from that place.
> > >
> > > If you tie a dog to a tree, you can say "Don't worry, he won't move from
> > > there."
> > >
> > > He can bark, jump, or hang himself with the leash...but he won't move
> > > from there.
> > >
> > >
> > > None of the stars in the universe ...move.
> > >
> > > None of the stars in the universe will change their position.
> > >
> > > The dog is not going anywhere.
> > >
> > >
> > > See Spot run in circle
> > > See Spot ain't going no where.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Don't worry, he won't move from there."
> > >
> > > Stars do not change the place or the position they are in.
> >
> > So you changed your claim that Polaris doesn't move like the other stars
> > do around the celestial North Pole, and when Paul and I showed you to be
> > wrong, you changed your claim to be something like the stars don't move
> > across the sky, only in circles.
> 
> No, I did not 'change my claim'...
> 
> it's just yous people don't understand simple English.
> 
> I wrote "stars don't move'.
> 
> It's just that yous people don't understand the definition of the
> word..."move".
> 
> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/move
> to (cause to) change position:
> 
> a change of place, position, or state.
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in, ..they don't
> MOVE.
> 
> Stars do not change the place or the position they are in means in fact
> the same thing..stars don't move!
> 
> it's not my fault your english teacher was on vacation all year...
> 
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge the unchallengeable.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624337

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-11-22 11:52 -0800
Message-ID<b3796c10-30ce-4188-a7df-bf09e4985cc5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#624336
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:20:22 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:

> maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be 
> sure 
> (or not even there anymore) 
> 
> but our sun doesn't move. 
> 
> It might appear to move... 
> everything else is moving around it 
> (including the entire space.. 
> but our sun doesn't move. 

Sure it does...

"Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. We are moving at an average velocity of 828,000 km/hr. But even at that high rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way!"

https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question18.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20the%20Sun%20%2D%20in%20fact,Way%20is%20a%20spiral%20galaxy.
> 
> And what about our Moon? It don't move either! 

Sure it does...

https://byjus.com/question-answer/how-fast-does-moon-need-to-travel-to-stay-in-it-s-orbit-explain/

https://byjus.com/question-answer/how-fast-does-moon-need-to-travel-to-stay-in-it-s-orbit-explain/

"The Moon orbits Earth at a speed of 2,288 miles per hour (3,683 kilometers per hour or 1.022 km/s). Its orbital period is 27 days. During this time it travels a distance of 1,423,000 miles."
> 
> i wanna see the dark side of the moon...but 
> for some reason it just doesn't wanna move.

You ignorance of the motions of astronomical bodies is huge.

Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.

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#624339

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-11-22 11:58 -0800
Message-ID<89ccce3a-7f6e-46ce-a3ee-ffddc5c3db6dn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#624337
On Wednesday, 22 November 2023 at 20:52:33 UTC+1, Paul Alsing wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:20:22 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> 
> > maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be 
> > sure 
> > (or not even there anymore) 
> > 
> > but our sun doesn't move. 
> > 
> > It might appear to move... 
> > everything else is moving around it 
> > (including the entire space.. 
> > but our sun doesn't move.
> Sure it does... 
> 
> "Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. 

So even you aren't really stupid enough to believe in relative motion, Al.
Well, well.

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#624341

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2023-11-22 12:42 -0800
Message-ID<bf007330-5d8e-4b18-86c7-c1cd1eb843bcn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#624339
On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:58:55 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> On Wednesday, 22 November 2023 at 20:52:33 UTC+1, Paul Alsing wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:20:22 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > > maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be 
> > > sure 
> > > (or not even there anymore) 
> > > 
> > > but our sun doesn't move. 
> > > 
> > > It might appear to move... 
> > > everything else is moving around it 
> > > (including the entire space.. 
> > > but our sun doesn't move. 
> > Sure it does... 
> > 
> > "Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.

> So even you aren't really stupid enough to believe in relative motion, Al. 
> Well, well.

Relative motion is obviously a real thing, Woz, no matter how many times you wish to deny it!

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#624345

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-22 16:11 -0800
Message-ID<655E98B8.2586@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624341
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:58:55 AM UTC-8, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 22 November 2023 at 20:52:33 UTC+1, Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:20:22 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be
> > > > sure
> > > > (or not even there anymore)
> > > >
> > > > but our sun doesn't move.
> > > >
> > > > It might appear to move...
> > > > everything else is moving around it
> > > > (including the entire space..
> > > > but our sun doesn't move.
> > > Sure it does...
> > >
> > > "Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy.
> 
> > So even you aren't really stupid enough to believe in relative motion, Al.
> > Well, well.
> 
> Relative motion is obviously a real thing, Woz, no matter how many times you wish to deny it!


does our moon revolve around our sun?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#624619

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-11-26 12:09 -0800
Message-ID<d4131010-03bf-4db5-b787-4d15cd24fd61n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#624341
On Wednesday, 22 November 2023 at 21:42:39 UTC+1, Paul Alsing wrote:

> > > "Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. 
> 
> > So even you aren't really stupid enough to believe in relative motion, Al. 
> > Well, well.
> Relative motion is obviously a real thing, Woz

But, as seen above - even you're not stupid enough to
really believe it, Al.

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#624346

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-11-22 16:22 -0800
Message-ID<655E9B43.5BF2@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#624337
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, November 22, 2023 at 11:20:22 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > maybe these other stars are so far away that it is hard for yous to be
> > sure
> > (or not even there anymore)
> >
> > but our sun doesn't move.
> >
> > It might appear to move...
> > everything else is moving around it
> > (including the entire space..
> > but our sun doesn't move.
> 
> Sure it does...
> 
> "Yes, the Sun - in fact, our whole solar system - orbits around the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. We are moving at an average velocity of 828,000 km/hr. But even at that high rate, it still takes us about 230 million years to make one complete orbit around the Milky Way!"
> 
> https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question18.html#:~:text=Yes%2C%20the%20Sun%20%2D%20in%20fact,Way%20is%20a%20spiral%20galaxy.
> >
> > And what about our Moon? It don't move either!
> 
> Sure it does...
> 
> https://byjus.com/question-answer/how-fast-does-moon-need-to-travel-to-stay-in-it-s-orbit-explain/
> 
> https://byjus.com/question-answer/how-fast-does-moon-need-to-travel-to-stay-in-it-s-orbit-explain/
> 
> "The Moon orbits Earth at a speed of 2,288 miles per hour (3,683 kilometers per hour or 1.022 km/s). Its orbital period is 27 days. During this time it travels a distance of 1,423,000 miles."
> >
> > i wanna see the dark side of the moon...but
> > for some reason it just doesn't wanna move.
> 
> You ignorance of the motions of astronomical bodies is huge.
> 
> Half of the moon is always dark, just like half of the Earth is always dark, just like every body in the solar system is always half in the dark. When you look at a full moon you are looking at the entire sunlit half, and the rest of the time you are looking at part of the illuminated side and part of the dark side. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
> 
> On the other hand you can never see the *far* side of the moon from the surface of the Earth, which, of course is also regularly illuminated by the Sun, just like the near side.


"the dark side" of our moon is eternally out of view, never facing the
earth. it's not moving. it is not going to turn around. it's fixed.

-- 
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to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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