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  Re: Too Many Clocks Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-27 19:53 -0500
    Re: Too Many Clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-09-28 11:11 -0700
      Re: Too Many Clocks Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2023-09-28 18:43 -0500
        Re: Too Many Clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-09-29 11:46 -0700
      Re: Too Many Clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-05 01:37 -0700
        Re: Too Many Clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-05 01:44 -0700
          Re: Too Many Clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-05 11:57 -0800
            Re: Too Many Clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-11-06 11:44 -0800
        Re: Too Many Websites The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-01-10 23:13 -0800
          Re: Too Many Websites Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-01-11 02:10 -0600
            Re: Too Many Websites The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-01-11 09:58 -0800

#621511 — Re: Too Many Clocks

On 9/27/2023 1:06 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Now, I need to first set my watch for the in the beginning of the big
> bang...before the first three seconds...
> 
> was it Sunday or Monday?


If one is a cro-magnon and takes the "age of the universe" as it is 
reported, i.e. 13.7 Billion years:

It was September 27, -13,699,997,977, an autumn day :) Probably sunny 
too. But which day of the week? Sorry, the calendar program I wrote only 
goes back to -1,000,000,000 years. It was made on a 32 bit computer, so...

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#621840

Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> On 9/27/2023 1:06 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Now, I need to first set my watch for the in the beginning of the big
> > bang...before the first three seconds...
> >
> > was it Sunday or Monday?
> 
> If one is a cro-magnon and takes the "age of the universe" as it is
> reported, i.e. 13.7 Billion years:
> 
> It was September 27, -13,699,997,977, an autumn day :) Probably sunny
> too. But which day of the week? Sorry, the calendar program I wrote only
> goes back to -1,000,000,000 years. It was made on a 32 bit computer, so...

Too Many Websites
asking for $4.99 a month!

It's guys selling their software in the form of a website.

One way to crack it is to crack the free trial cookies.


To check cookies in Chrome for(cookies hidden in other websites names):

    Put your mouse on their webpage..
    Right-click and click on Inspect to open the developer console.
    Go to the Applications tab on the console.
    Expand the Cookies dropdown under the Storage section. Under
Cookies, select the website to see the cookie details.


https://www.cookieyes.com/blog/how-to-check-cookies-on-your-website-manually/


Forever Free Trial.


(i also notice a lot of these top $4.99 a month sites use the same
platform cloud app)
dats dumb.


did you know
gpt loves ida pro?



Here is an excerpt of ChatGPT:



Let's try another approach by searching for strings in the binary that
might be related to the password. Here's how you can do that in IDA Pro:

    In IDA Pro, go to the "View" menu and select "Open Subviews" ->
"Strings."

    A new subview will open, showing a list of strings found in the
binary.

    Look through the list of strings for any that might be related to
passwords, prompts, or user input. Password-related strings often
include words like "password," "key," "input," or similar terms.

    Double-click on a string that looks promising to see where it is
referenced in the code.

    Examine the code around the reference to the string to understand
how it is used. This might lead you to the password-checking logic.

    If you find a reference that seems relevant, set a breakpoint at
that location (you can use the bp command) and run the program again to
see how the code behaves when that string is accessed.

    Continue to follow the code and analyze memory and registers as
needed to understand how the password is processed or checked.

By searching for relevant strings, you might uncover clues about where
the password-related code is located. 
Remember to keep detailed notes as you progress in your analysis. 
If you don't find any useful strings in this step, we can explore other
avenues of analysis.


"we can explore other avenues of analysis"???? 

WE!!!!!


ChatGPT is sooooooo evil!





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#621863

On 9/28/2023 1:11 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Forever Free Trial.


You kick ass Star :-)

They deserve it, cause they've become rude. They've drifted too much 
getting the idea our time spent is worthless.

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#621929

Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> On 9/28/2023 1:11 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Forever Free Trial.
> 
> You kick ass Star :-)
> 
> They deserve it, cause they've become rude. They've drifted too much
> getting the idea our time spent is worthless.

Would you believe this? One of those $4.99 and up a month website just
received a
hundred million dollar investment and their website is a Forever Free
Trial website????

Imagine if the investors ever found out!

a lot of stupid people in sillycone valley.


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#623716

On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:11:47 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


>Too Many Websites
>asking for $4.99 a month!
>
>It's guys selling their software in the form of a website.
>
>One way to crack it is to crack the free trial cookies.
>
>
>To check cookies in Chrome for(cookies hidden in other websites names):
>
>    Put your mouse on their webpage..
>    Right-click and click on Inspect to open the developer console.
>    Go to the Applications tab on the console.
>    Expand the Cookies dropdown under the Storage section. Under
>Cookies, select the website to see the cookie details.
>
>
>https://www.cookieyes.com/blog/how-to-check-cookies-on-your-website-manually/
>
>
>Forever Free Trial.
>
>
>(i also notice a lot of these top $4.99 a month sites use the same
>platform cloud app)
>dats dumb.
>

You can tell a lot of
these guys use the same
'cloud' to run their apps.

You see a lot of the same:

___________________
Sign up in  seconds

Continue with Google

and/or

(at the bottom you see)

Sign up with Email
___________________

dats da game
to bypass
sometimes...

you need to test
their

Sign up with Email

Sometimes you can just
put any email address you make up
to sign up with to see what happens.

So...you might get a 
Sign up page
for Name and
Email
and password.

Then...
if it sez continue..
you might get a
'another page' for
entering Free Trial
credit card information.

(you don't want dat page)

wat you do is...
Press the Back button
slowly to see if you can get back
to the pages before...and up
above you 'might' see
your email address and name
already listed as (already logged in).
(cookie)
Meaning, you can get free trial
without filling out cc info.

Just continue with
free trial until
it runs out...
(sometime it is credits,
or days, etc)

remove all cookies
and start all over again.

Forever Free Trial! 


There are no web developers
with talent anymore.

just dummies running a web page.


Sign up in seconds

Continue with Google

or


Sign up with Email


and get 
Forever Free Trial!!!! 

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#623717

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:11:47 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >Too Many Websites
> >asking for $4.99 a month!
> >
> >It's guys selling their software in the form of a website.
> >
> >One way to crack it is to crack the free trial cookies.
> >
> >
> >To check cookies in Chrome for(cookies hidden in other websites names):
> >
> >    Put your mouse on their webpage..
> >    Right-click and click on Inspect to open the developer console.
> >    Go to the Applications tab on the console.
> >    Expand the Cookies dropdown under the Storage section. Under
> >Cookies, select the website to see the cookie details.
> >
> >
> >https://www.cookieyes.com/blog/how-to-check-cookies-on-your-website-manually/
> >
> >
> >Forever Free Trial.
> >
> >
> >(i also notice a lot of these top $4.99 a month sites use the same
> >platform cloud app)
> >dats dumb.
> >
> 
> You can tell a lot of
> these guys use the same
> 'cloud' to run their apps.
> 
> You see a lot of the same:
> 
> ___________________
> Sign up in  seconds
> 
> Continue with Google
> 
> and/or
> 
> (at the bottom you see)
> 
> Sign up with Email
> ___________________
> 
> dats da game
> to bypass
> sometimes...
> 
> you need to test
> their
> 
> Sign up with Email
> 
> Sometimes you can just
> put any email address you make up
> to sign up with to see what happens.
> 
> So...you might get a
> Sign up page
> for Name and
> Email
> and password.
> 
> Then...
> if it sez continue..
> you might get a
> 'another page' for
> entering Free Trial
> credit card information.
> 
> (you don't want dat page)
> 
> wat you do is...
> Press the Back button
> slowly to see if you can get back
> to the pages before...and up
> above you 'might' see
> your email address and name
> already listed as (already logged in).
> (cookie)
> Meaning, you can get free trial
> without filling out cc info.
> 
> Just continue with
> free trial until
> it runs out...
> (sometime it is credits,
> or days, etc)
> 
> remove all cookies
> and start all over again.
> 
> Forever Free Trial!
> 
> There are no web developers
> with talent anymore.
> 
> just dummies running a web page.
> 
> Sign up in seconds
> 
> Continue with Google
> 
> or
> 
> Sign up with Email
> 
> and get
> Forever Free Trial!!!!



i forgot to add it also reads:

Don't have an account? Sign up


then you sign up!

> Sign up page
> for Name and
> Email
> and password.
> 
> Then...
> if it sez continue..
> you might get a
> 'another page' for
> entering Free Trial
> credit card information.
> 
> (you don't want dat page)
> 
> wat you do is...
> Press the Back button
> slowly to see if you can get back
> to the pages before...and up
> above you 'might' see
> your email address and name
> already listed as (already logged in).
> (cookie)
> Meaning, you can get free trial
> without filling out cc info.
> 
> Just continue with
> free trial until
> it runs out...
> (sometime it is credits,
> or days, etc)
> 
> remove all cookies
> and start all over again.
> 
> Forever Free Trial!

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#623742

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:11:47 -0700, The Starmaker
> > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Too Many Websites
> > >asking for $4.99 a month!
> > >
> > >It's guys selling their software in the form of a website.
> > >
> > >One way to crack it is to crack the free trial cookies.
> > >
> > >
> > >To check cookies in Chrome for(cookies hidden in other websites names):
> > >
> > >    Put your mouse on their webpage..
> > >    Right-click and click on Inspect to open the developer console.
> > >    Go to the Applications tab on the console.
> > >    Expand the Cookies dropdown under the Storage section. Under
> > >Cookies, select the website to see the cookie details.
> > >
> > >
> > >https://www.cookieyes.com/blog/how-to-check-cookies-on-your-website-manually/
> > >
> > >
> > >Forever Free Trial.
> > >
> > >
> > >(i also notice a lot of these top $4.99 a month sites use the same
> > >platform cloud app)
> > >dats dumb.
> > >
> >
> > You can tell a lot of
> > these guys use the same
> > 'cloud' to run their apps.
> >
> > You see a lot of the same:
> >
> > ___________________
> > Sign up in  seconds
> >
> > Continue with Google
> >
> > and/or
> >
> > (at the bottom you see)
> >
> > Sign up with Email
> > ___________________
> >
> > dats da game
> > to bypass
> > sometimes...
> >
> > you need to test
> > their
> >
> > Sign up with Email
> >
> > Sometimes you can just
> > put any email address you make up
> > to sign up with to see what happens.
> >
> > So...you might get a
> > Sign up page
> > for Name and
> > Email
> > and password.
> >
> > Then...
> > if it sez continue..
> > you might get a
> > 'another page' for
> > entering Free Trial
> > credit card information.
> >
> > (you don't want dat page)
> >
> > wat you do is...
> > Press the Back button
> > slowly to see if you can get back
> > to the pages before...and up
> > above you 'might' see
> > your email address and name
> > already listed as (already logged in).
> > (cookie)
> > Meaning, you can get free trial
> > without filling out cc info.
> >
> > Just continue with
> > free trial until
> > it runs out...
> > (sometime it is credits,
> > or days, etc)
> >
> > remove all cookies
> > and start all over again.
> >
> > Forever Free Trial!
> >
> > There are no web developers
> > with talent anymore.
> >
> > just dummies running a web page.
> >
> > Sign up in seconds
> >
> > Continue with Google
> >
> > or
> >
> > Sign up with Email
> >
> > and get
> > Forever Free Trial!!!!
> 
> i forgot to add it also reads:
> 
> Don't have an account? Sign up
> 
> then you sign up!
> 
> > Sign up page
> > for Name and
> > Email
> > and password.
> >
> > Then...
> > if it sez continue..
> > you might get a
> > 'another page' for
> > entering Free Trial
> > credit card information.
> >
> > (you don't want dat page)
> >
> > wat you do is...
> > Press the Back button
> > slowly to see if you can get back
> > to the pages before...and up
> > above you 'might' see
> > your email address and name
> > already listed as (already logged in).
> > (cookie)
> > Meaning, you can get free trial
> > without filling out cc info.
> >
> > Just continue with
> > free trial until
> > it runs out...
> > (sometime it is credits,
> > or days, etc)
> >
> > remove all cookies
> > and start all over again.
> >
> > Forever Free Trial!

As I already mentioned before...
some of these Forever Free Trial
websites silly cone valley has
already invested hundred million
dollars on these 'cloud' 
$4.99 a month and up sites.

Most of them using the same 
Sign up page templates.
(they all look alike)


If the Sign up page is too complex,
no one will sign up...
so they try to make it Easier to
Sign up page.

(some even skip email verifaication at first)

(there are plenty of FREE email sites you can use)

(I usually start with just fake emails addresses than
using a free email site) 



Usually these sites start off free then when they 
get a million users, then they show the bill.

I guess if they get half to subscribe and pay
they got rich.

They hope you are 'addicted' to them.

It's like give free HEROIN to everybody and
watch the school kids pay you money for it!


Did you know potatoe chips are addictive? 

"betcha can't eat just one"




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#623775

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:11:47 -0700, The Starmaker
> > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Too Many Websites
> > > >asking for $4.99 a month!
> > > >
> > > >It's guys selling their software in the form of a website.
> > > >
> > > >One way to crack it is to crack the free trial cookies.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >To check cookies in Chrome for(cookies hidden in other websites names):
> > > >
> > > >    Put your mouse on their webpage..
> > > >    Right-click and click on Inspect to open the developer console.
> > > >    Go to the Applications tab on the console.
> > > >    Expand the Cookies dropdown under the Storage section. Under
> > > >Cookies, select the website to see the cookie details.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >https://www.cookieyes.com/blog/how-to-check-cookies-on-your-website-manually/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Forever Free Trial.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >(i also notice a lot of these top $4.99 a month sites use the same
> > > >platform cloud app)
> > > >dats dumb.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You can tell a lot of
> > > these guys use the same
> > > 'cloud' to run their apps.
> > >
> > > You see a lot of the same:
> > >
> > > ___________________
> > > Sign up in  seconds
> > >
> > > Continue with Google
> > >
> > > and/or
> > >
> > > (at the bottom you see)
> > >
> > > Sign up with Email
> > > ___________________
> > >
> > > dats da game
> > > to bypass
> > > sometimes...
> > >
> > > you need to test
> > > their
> > >
> > > Sign up with Email
> > >
> > > Sometimes you can just
> > > put any email address you make up
> > > to sign up with to see what happens.
> > >
> > > So...you might get a
> > > Sign up page
> > > for Name and
> > > Email
> > > and password.
> > >
> > > Then...
> > > if it sez continue..
> > > you might get a
> > > 'another page' for
> > > entering Free Trial
> > > credit card information.
> > >
> > > (you don't want dat page)
> > >
> > > wat you do is...
> > > Press the Back button
> > > slowly to see if you can get back
> > > to the pages before...and up
> > > above you 'might' see
> > > your email address and name
> > > already listed as (already logged in).
> > > (cookie)
> > > Meaning, you can get free trial
> > > without filling out cc info.
> > >
> > > Just continue with
> > > free trial until
> > > it runs out...
> > > (sometime it is credits,
> > > or days, etc)
> > >
> > > remove all cookies
> > > and start all over again.
> > >
> > > Forever Free Trial!
> > >
> > > There are no web developers
> > > with talent anymore.
> > >
> > > just dummies running a web page.
> > >
> > > Sign up in seconds
> > >
> > > Continue with Google
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > Sign up with Email
> > >
> > > and get
> > > Forever Free Trial!!!!
> >
> > i forgot to add it also reads:
> >
> > Don't have an account? Sign up
> >
> > then you sign up!
> >
> > > Sign up page
> > > for Name and
> > > Email
> > > and password.
> > >
> > > Then...
> > > if it sez continue..
> > > you might get a
> > > 'another page' for
> > > entering Free Trial
> > > credit card information.
> > >
> > > (you don't want dat page)
> > >
> > > wat you do is...
> > > Press the Back button
> > > slowly to see if you can get back
> > > to the pages before...and up
> > > above you 'might' see
> > > your email address and name
> > > already listed as (already logged in).
> > > (cookie)
> > > Meaning, you can get free trial
> > > without filling out cc info.
> > >
> > > Just continue with
> > > free trial until
> > > it runs out...
> > > (sometime it is credits,
> > > or days, etc)
> > >
> > > remove all cookies
> > > and start all over again.
> > >
> > > Forever Free Trial!
> 
> As I already mentioned before...
> some of these Forever Free Trial
> websites silly cone valley has
> already invested hundred million
> dollars on these 'cloud'
> $4.99 a month and up sites.
> 
> Most of them using the same
> Sign up page templates.
> (they all look alike)
> 
> If the Sign up page is too complex,
> no one will sign up...
> so they try to make it Easier to
> Sign up page.
> 
> (some even skip email verifaication at first)
> 
> (there are plenty of FREE email sites you can use)
> 
> (I usually start with just fake emails addresses than
> using a free email site)
> 
> Usually these sites start off free then when they
> get a million users, then they show the bill.
> 
> I guess if they get half to subscribe and pay
> they got rich.
> 
> They hope you are 'addicted' to them.
> 
> It's like give free HEROIN to everybody and
> watch the school kids pay you money for it!
> 
> Did you know potatoe chips are addictive?
> 
> "betcha can't eat just one"

i tink the tech word for 'addicted' is...sticky.






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#627139 — Re: Too Many Websites

So, that website tells me
to continue using their 
website I have to Sign In...

I press the F5 key and
I continued without
signing in...

Is these sillycone
valley companies
having a shortage of
web developers?

Their grandmother must be
the webmaster.

How could pressing the F5 key
bypass the Sign In message...everytime?

Who is doing their HTML, Stevie Wonder????


I also notice  archive.md
works with those small 
members only article
websites.

Imagine...
that website
got a
100 million investment and
all it took
to bypass the paywall was
the refresh key, F5.


Come on, it's no fun.











On Sun, 05 Nov 2023 01:37:28 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 28 Sep 2023 11:11:47 -0700, The Starmaker
><starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Too Many Websites
>>asking for $4.99 a month!
>>
>>It's guys selling their software in the form of a website.
>>
>>One way to crack it is to crack the free trial cookies.
>>
>>
>>To check cookies in Chrome for(cookies hidden in other websites names):
>>
>>    Put your mouse on their webpage..
>>    Right-click and click on Inspect to open the developer console.
>>    Go to the Applications tab on the console.
>>    Expand the Cookies dropdown under the Storage section. Under
>>Cookies, select the website to see the cookie details.
>>
>>
>>https://www.cookieyes.com/blog/how-to-check-cookies-on-your-website-manually/
>>
>>
>>Forever Free Trial.
>>
>>
>>(i also notice a lot of these top $4.99 a month sites use the same
>>platform cloud app)
>>dats dumb.
>>
>
>You can tell a lot of
>these guys use the same
>'cloud' to run their apps.
>
>You see a lot of the same:
>
>___________________
>Sign up in  seconds
>
>Continue with Google
>
>and/or
>
>(at the bottom you see)
>
>Sign up with Email
>___________________
>
>dats da game
>to bypass
>sometimes...
>
>you need to test
>their
>
>Sign up with Email
>
>Sometimes you can just
>put any email address you make up
>to sign up with to see what happens.
>
>So...you might get a 
>Sign up page
>for Name and
>Email
>and password.
>
>Then...
>if it sez continue..
>you might get a
>'another page' for
>entering Free Trial
>credit card information.
>
>(you don't want dat page)
>
>wat you do is...
>Press the Back button
>slowly to see if you can get back
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>(cookie)
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#627140 — Re: Too Many Websites

On 1/11/2024 1:13 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> So, that website tells me
> to continue using their
> website I have to Sign In...
> 
> I press the F5 key and
> I continued without
> signing in...
> 
> Is these sillycone
> valley companies
> having a shortage of
> web developers?
> 
> Their grandmother must be
> the webmaster.
> 
> How could pressing the F5 key
> bypass the Sign In message...everytime?
> 
> Who is doing their HTML, Stevie Wonder????
> 
> 
> I also notice  archive.md
> works with those small
> members only article
> websites.
> 
> Imagine...
> that website
> got a
> 100 million investment and
> all it took
> to bypass the paywall was
> the refresh key, F5.
> 
> 
> Come on, it's no fun.
> 

Use Firefox with adBlocker Ultimate and the sign-in barrier doesn't even 
come up. It's like you're subscribed!

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#627144 — Re: Too Many Websites

Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
> On 1/11/2024 1:13 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > So, that website tells me
> > to continue using their
> > website I have to Sign In...
> >
> > I press the F5 key and
> > I continued without
> > signing in...
> >
> > Is these sillycone
> > valley companies
> > having a shortage of
> > web developers?
> >
> > Their grandmother must be
> > the webmaster.
> >
> > How could pressing the F5 key
> > bypass the Sign In message...everytime?
> >
> > Who is doing their HTML, Stevie Wonder????
> >
> >
> > I also notice  archive.md
> > works with those small
> > members only article
> > websites.
> >
> > Imagine...
> > that website
> > got a
> > 100 million investment and
> > all it took
> > to bypass the paywall was
> > the refresh key, F5.
> >
> >
> > Come on, it's no fun.
> >
> 
> Use Firefox with adBlocker Ultimate and the sign-in barrier doesn't even
> come up. It's like you're subscribed!

"adBlocker"? I don't use adBlockers because I love ads, I love spam.
(but I'll give it a try to see if it wurks.)


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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