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How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?

Started byKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
First post2023-07-15 10:35 -0700
Last post2023-07-23 14:15 -0400
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  How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-15 10:35 -0700
    Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Virgil Frangopoulos <gnsi@uolglloi.uo> - 2023-07-15 19:48 +0000
    Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 16:57 -0700
    Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 19:34 -0700
      Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-17 19:40 -0700
      Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 08:28 -0700
        Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-07-19 13:22 -0700
          Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles  indefinitely?now much how The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-07-19 22:19 -0700
            Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-20 19:10 -0700
          Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 10:29 -0700
            Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-23 15:55 -0400
              Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 15:37 -0700
                Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-23 19:05 -0400
                  Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 05:26 -0700
                    Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 10:36 -0700
                      Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Ricardo Zhirkevich <hvhi@izzhhoir.ah> - 2023-07-24 21:05 +0000
                        Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-25 15:58 -0500
                          Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Keelan Shahbazov <zhvs@vanhonhl.en> - 2023-07-25 21:56 +0000
                    Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-24 17:09 -0400
                      Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-07-24 21:24 -0700
                      Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 09:21 -0700
                        Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2023-07-25 18:06 -0700
                      Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-26 07:52 -0700
    Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-07-20 13:22 +1000
    Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 07:53 -0700
      Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 10:39 -0700
        Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-07-22 16:12 -0700
          Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-07-22 23:13 -0500
            Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 01:35 -0700
              Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 07:05 -0700
          Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 06:58 -0700
            Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Hipolito Chepin <chti@elcitnei.hi> - 2023-07-23 14:18 +0000
              Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 15:19 -0700
            Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 17:10 +0200
            Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-23 18:36 -0400
              Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-07-23 15:40 -0700
        Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-23 14:15 -0400

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#615392 — How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-15 10:35 -0700
SubjectHow can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?
Message-ID<dfc63e99-49cc-4c19-973e-45b8dc931c43n@googlegroups.com>
It can't.

In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed.
1. An attractiv force between the earth and the moon derived from the fact that the earth  and the moon are expanding in the same direction . in a structured aether called the E-Matrix. This motion causes the earth and the moon to converse to eac]h other.....ar attractive force.

2. The earth and the moon are confined to the divergent structure of the E-Matrix. This has the effect of a repulsive force between them.

3. The combination of the attractive force and the repulsive force between them   make the  moon goes around the earth indefinitely.

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#615404

FromVirgil Frangopoulos <gnsi@uolglloi.uo>
Date2023-07-15 19:48 +0000
Message-ID<u8ut76$2816d$1@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#615392
Ken Seto wrote:

> It can't.
> 
> In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two
> faces are needed.
> 1. An attractiv force between the earth and the moon derived from the
> fact that the earth  and the moon are expanding in the same direction .
> in a structured aether called the E-Matrix. This motion causes the earth
> and the moon to converse to eac]h other.....ar attractive force.
> 
> 2. The earth and the moon are confined to the divergent structure of the
> E-Matrix. This has the effect of a repulsive force between them.
> 
> 3. The combination of the attractive force and the repulsive force
> between them   make the  moon goes around the earth indefinitely.

Moving Koerpers Model?

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#615543

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-17 16:57 -0700
Message-ID<5861a038-4b6c-4431-ab64-561782d803f5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615392
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 1:35:35 PM UTC-4, Ken Seto wrote:
> It can't. 
> 
> In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed. 
> 1. An attractiv force between the earth and the moon derived from the fact that the earth and the moon are expanding in the same direction . in a structured aether called the E-Matrix. This motion causes the earth and the moon to converse to eac]h other.....ar attractive force. 
> 
> 2. The earth and the moon are confined to the divergent structure of the E-Matrix. This has the effect of a repulsive force between them. 
> 
> 3. The combination of the attractive force and the repulsive force between them make the moon goes around the earth indefinitely.

Why no answer to my post?

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#615547

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-17 19:34 -0700
Message-ID<5f9406ff-e571-4c7a-8fcf-3eeba3015cbdn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615392
On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
> It can't. 
> 
> In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed. 

Again, nonsense.

--
Jan

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#615549

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-17 19:40 -0700
Message-ID<7148b2b9-aef7-4b98-8fc5-096e59c9970an@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615547
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 7:34:45 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > It can't. 
> > 
> > In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed.
> Again, nonsense. 
> 
> -- 
> Jan

The moon goes around in ellipses that precess jan...

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#615680 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-19 08:28 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<baca24a8-5a6d-4e4b-8f0c-7611ec7b20cen@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615547
On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:34:45 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > It can't. 
> > 
> > In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed.
> Again, nonsense. 

You don't know much how things work ....do you?
There is no graviton that can make the moon to go around the earth. You  need two forces to do that and graviton is not two forces. 
> -- 
> Jan

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#615700 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-19 13:22 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<b58314dc-bd72-4c80-9813-f66ea464670bn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615680
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:28:24 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:34:45 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > > It can't. 
> > > 
> > > In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed. 
> > Again, nonsense.
> You don't know much how things work ....do you? 

What you do with physics is 100% nonsense.
You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy.

--
Jan

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#615728 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-07-19 22:19 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<64B8C3FB.1752@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#615700
JanPB wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:28:24 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:34:45 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
> > > > It can't.
> > > >
> > > > In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed.
> > > Again, nonsense.
> > You don't know much how things work ....do you?
> 
> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense.
> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy.
> 
> --
> Jan


Was SETI researcher Jill Tarter  wasting her life away on an infantile
fantasy? 50 years listening to...nothing?



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#615808 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-20 19:10 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<691fd54b-58f6-459e-8711-1e2e7364ab26n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615728
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 10:19:16 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> JanPB wrote: 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:28:24 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:34:45 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> > > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > > > > It can't. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed. 
> > > > Again, nonsense. 
> > > You don't know much how things work ....do you? 
> > 
> > What you do with physics is 100% nonsense. 
> > You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jan
> Was SETI researcher Jill Tarter wasting her life away on an infantile 
> fantasy? 50 years listening to...nothing? 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.

Elliptical orbits appear to remain the same geometry.
The major and minor axis stay the same.
How do we know Pluto orbit if that has not completed
since it was first discovered? How could we know
it yet?

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#615891 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-22 10:29 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<586afca7-0446-4785-90f7-ddf8ccd650c6n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615700
On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:28:24 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:34:45 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> > > On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > > > It can't. 
> > > > 
> > > > In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed. 
> > > Again, nonsense. 
> > You don't know much how things work ....do you?
> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense. 
> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy. 

My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments.
Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles.
It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical  physics.
> 
> -- 
> Jan

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#615925 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-07-23 15:55 -0400
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<u9k0kf$b5j0$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#615891
On 7/22/2023 1:29 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:28:24 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:34:45 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>> It can't.
>>>>>
>>>>> In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed.
>>>> Again, nonsense.

>>> You don't know much how things work ....do you?

>> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense.
>> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy.
> 
> My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments.

Your "physics" isn't even physics, it is just word salad assertions.
And your claims are /refuted/ by experiments, not confirmed.

> Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles.
> It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical  physics.

You don't even know what physics is.

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#615932 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-23 15:37 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<eb6c146f-df4e-4775-83fc-c1810b6ff8ecn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615925
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> On 7/22/2023 1:29 PM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> >> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 8:28:24 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> >>> On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 10:34:45 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> >>>> On Saturday, July 15, 2023 at 10:35:35 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> >>>>> It can't. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> In order to make the moon to go around in circles around the earth two faces are needed. 
> >>>> Again, nonsense. 
> 
> >>> You don't know much how things work ....do you? 
> 
> >> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense. 
> >> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy. 
> > 
> > My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments.
> Your "physics" isn't even physics, it is just word salad assertions. 
> And your claims are /refuted/ by experiments, not confirmed.
> > Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles. 
> > It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical physics.
> You don't even know what physics is.

Your physics is based on non-existing virtual particles, gravitons, curvature of space (not knowing why or why is curving. 
I gout news for you,,,,,what you have worse than non-physics.

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#615936 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-07-23 19:05 -0400
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<u9kbom$cedd$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#615932
On 7/23/2023 6:37 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>> On 7/22/2023 1:29 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:

>>>> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense.
>>>> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy.
>>>
>>> My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments.
>> Your "physics" isn't even physics, it is just word salad assertions.
>> And your claims are /refuted/ by experiments, not confirmed.

>>> Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles.
>>> It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical physics.

>> You don't even know what physics is.
> 
> Your physics is based on non-existing virtual particles, gravitons, curvature of space (not knowing why or why is curving.
> I gout news for you,,,,,what you have worse than non-physics.

Once again, you don't even know what physics even is.

Virtual particles etc. are MODELS which demonstrate what's going on. The 
MODELS are only models, but -- get this -- they WORK rather well. But if 
a better model comes along that works even better, it will be what's used.

If you think of subatomic particles as little billiard balls, you'll go 
off in the weeds. If you complain that virtual particles don't follow 
the rules of little billiard balls and go "AHA!", you'll go ever further 
off into the weeds.

Physics knows what curvature of spacetime is, even if you don't. 
Gravitons are part of a model that doesn't work so well, or at least one 
that makes assumptions about gravity that may not be true.

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#615943 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-24 05:26 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<bc09d865-1d99-42e3-af33-f179f5187fb5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615936
On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:06:02 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
> On 7/23/2023 6:37 PM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote: 
> >> On 7/22/2023 1:29 PM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> >>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> 
> >>>> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense. 
> >>>> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy. 
> >>> 
> >>> My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments. 
> >> Your "physics" isn't even physics, it is just word salad assertions. 
> >> And your claims are /refuted/ by experiments, not confirmed. 
> 
> >>> Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles. 
> >>> It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical physics. 
> 
> >> You don't even know what physics is. 
> > 
> > Your physics is based on non-existing virtual particles, gravitons, curvature of space (not knowing why or why is curving. 
> > I gout news for you,,,,,what you have worse than non-physics.
> Once again, you don't even know what physics even is. 
> 
> Virtual particles etc. are MODELS which demonstrate what's going on. The 
> MODELS are only models, but -- get this -- they WORK rather well. But if 
> a better model comes along that works even better, it will be what's used. ke

Hey stupid Mi.e......Model Mechanics IS a model,
> 
> If you think of subatomic particlesicle  as little billiard balls, you'll go 
> off in the weeds. If you complain that virtual particles don't follow 
> the rules of little billiard balls and go "AHA!", you'll go ever further 
> off into the weeds. 
Hey stupid Mike, my S-PARTICLE isa is   bette than the vour virtual particle and graviton 
 combined.
> Physics knows what curvature of spacetime is, even if you don't. 
In my model there is no spacetime.
> Gravitons are part of a model that doesn't work so well, or at least one 
> that makes assumptions about gravity that may not be true.

Gravity is exactly as I described.....My model doesn't;t require virtual particles.

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#615968 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-24 10:36 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<4a0e7804-a86d-4c43-8139-ab65525d7156n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615943
On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:26:40 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:06:02 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote: 
> > On 7/23/2023 6:37 PM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote: 
> > >> On 7/22/2023 1:29 PM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > >>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> > 
> > >>>> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense. 
> > >>>> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments. 
> > >> Your "physics" isn't even physics, it is just word salad assertions. 
> > >> And your claims are /refuted/ by experiments, not confirmed. 
> > 
> > >>> Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles. 
> > >>> It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical physics. 
> > 
> > >> You don't even know what physics is. 
> > > 
> > > Your physics is based on non-existing virtual particles, gravitons, curvature of space (not knowing why or why is curving. 
> > > I gout news for you,,,,,what you have worse than non-physics. 
> > Once again, you don't even know what physics even is. 
> > 
> > Virtual particles etc. are MODELS which demonstrate what's going on. The 
> > MODELS are only models, but -- get this -- they WORK rather well. But if
> > a better model comes along that works even better, it will be what's used. ke 
> 
> Hey stupid Mi.e......Model Mechanics IS a model, 
> > 
> > If you think of subatomic particlesicle as little billiard balls, you'll go
> > off in the weeds. If you complain that virtual particles don't follow 
> > the rules of little billiard balls and go "AHA!", you'll go ever further 
> > off into the weeds.
> Hey stupid Mike, my S-PARTICLE isa is bette than the vour virtual particle and graviton 
> combined.
> > Physics knows what curvature of spacetime is, even if you don't.
> In my model there is no spacetime.
> > Gravitons are part of a model that doesn't work so well, or at least one 
> > that makes assumptions about gravity that may not be true.
> Gravity is exactly as I described.....My model doesn't;t require virtual particles.

A particle cannot be in two places at one time...
or there would be two particles.

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#615990 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromRicardo Zhirkevich <hvhi@izzhhoir.ah>
Date2023-07-24 21:05 +0000
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<u9mp2n$ckm8$3@paganini.bofh.team>
In reply to#615968
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> A particle cannot be in two places at one time...
> or there would be two particles.

not true. Entangle particles are actually one particle displaced in 
spacetime. When you destroy a one (through a measurement), the other is 
destroyed automatically locally and remote. America is winning all the 
time.

 𝐇𝐮𝐧𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲_𝐦𝐚𝐲_𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞_𝐄𝐔_–_𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐞𝐫_𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠_𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐞𝐟
Budapest and Brussels have clashed on migration, morality, and the 
conflict in Ukraine 
https://r%74.com/news/580224-hungary-could-leave-eu/
Citing the country’s rising inflation rate and the EU’s withholding of $30 
𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐁𝐮𝐝𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐬𝐭.

Mr Orban is the leader other EU (US puppet) countries wish they have. 
Hungary should leave EU and NATO and some others will follow when they 
change their US slave governments.

This is the best thing Mr. Orban could do. The beginning of the fall apart 
of NATO.

There's NO future for NATO or EU

Get out of the EU and join the BRICS, the EU will eventually come crawling 
to join the BRICS. The Russian Economy is the Largest in Europe by PPP 
which is the best way to calculate GDP when not taking it politic !

Better off out of the corrupt institution

my butt, 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 30 𝗯𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝗶𝗻 𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲 most of it 𝗶𝗻 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗳𝗳𝘀𝗵𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗸 
𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝘀 and 𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗲𝘀 and not necessary Ukraine politician's accounts 
either.

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#616062 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

Fromwhodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Date2023-07-25 15:58 -0500
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<kiaratFjmsgU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#615990
On 7/24/2023 4:05 PM, Ricardo Zhirkevich wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> A particle cannot be in two places at one time...
>> or there would be two particles.
> 
> not true. Entangle particles are actually one particle displaced in
> spacetime. When you destroy a one (through a measurement), the other is
> destroyed automatically locally and remote. America is winning all the
> time.
> 
>   𝐇𝐮𝐧𝐠𝐚𝐫𝐲_𝐦𝐚𝐲_𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐯𝐞_𝐄𝐔_–_𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐞𝐫_𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐤𝐢𝐧𝐠_𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐞𝐟
> Budapest and Brussels have clashed on migration, morality, and the
> conflict in Ukraine
> https://r%74.com/news/580224-hungary-could-leave-eu/
> Citing the country’s rising inflation rate and the EU’s withholding of $30
> 𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐧 𝐟𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐁𝐮𝐝𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐬𝐭.
> 
> Mr Orban is the leader other EU (US puppet) countries wish they have.
> Hungary should leave EU and NATO and some others will follow when they
> change their US slave governments.
> 
> This is the best thing Mr. Orban could do. The beginning of the fall apart
> of NATO.
> 
> There's NO future for NATO or EU
> 
> Get out of the EU and join the BRICS, the EU will eventually come crawling
> to join the BRICS. The Russian Economy is the Largest in Europe by PPP
> which is the best way to calculate GDP when not taking it politic !
> 
> Better off out of the corrupt institution
> 
> my butt, 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 30 𝗯𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝗶𝗻 𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲 most of it 𝗶𝗻 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗳𝗳𝘀𝗵𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗸
> 𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝘀 and 𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗲𝘀 and not necessary Ukraine politician's accounts
> either.

If I had wet dreams like yours I'd never wake up.

Oh, that's right, you haven't.

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#616065 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromKeelan Shahbazov <zhvs@vanhonhl.en>
Date2023-07-25 21:56 +0000
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<u9pgev$17mqp$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#616062
retard electrician whodat wrote:

>> my butt, 𝘁𝗵𝗼𝘀𝗲 30 𝗯𝗶𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘄 𝗶𝗻 𝗨𝗸𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗲 most of it 𝗶𝗻 𝗽𝗿𝗶𝘃𝗮𝘁𝗲
>> 𝗼𝗳𝗳𝘀𝗵𝗼𝗿𝗲 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗸 𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗼𝘂𝗻𝘁𝘀 and 𝘀𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗹 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗲𝘀 and not necessary Ukraine
>> politician's accounts either.
> 
> If I had wet dreams like yours I'd never wake up.
> 
> Oh, that's right, you haven't.

here comes more proofs, you fucking retard electrician. Ohh, you are not 
taking proofs as argument, that kind of person. Where the fuck are you 
electricians coming from, posting about electricity in here??

𝐀_𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐭_𝐑𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫_𝐈𝐧𝐯𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧:_𝐀𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐭_𝐙𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐤𝐲_-_𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐭_1
https://br%69%67hteon.com/6086c6e4-d4ae-4082-86f2-99dee1f3bdb8

𝐀_𝐒𝐜𝐨𝐭𝐭_𝐑𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐞𝐫_𝐈𝐧𝐯𝐞𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐠𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧:_𝐀𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐭_𝐙𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐤𝐲_-_𝐏𝐚𝐫𝐭_2
https://bri%67%68teon.com/49f99c0c-608c-49e9-be8a-073cec935fd5

𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞_𝐃𝐞𝐟𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐞_𝐌𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐞𝐫_𝐑𝐞𝐳𝐧𝐢𝐤𝐨𝐯'𝐬_𝐃𝐚𝐮𝐠𝐡𝐭𝐞𝐫_𝐏𝐮𝐫𝐜𝐡𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐬_$7_𝐌𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐨𝐧_𝐕𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐚_𝐈𝐧_𝐂𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐬,_𝐅𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐜𝐞
https://bi%74%63hute.com/video/CIlAryluogP2

𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐢𝐚𝐧_𝐒𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐢𝐞𝐫_𝐄𝐧𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐝_𝐀𝐭_𝐂𝐨𝐫𝐫𝐮𝐩𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧_𝐈𝐧_𝐓𝐡𝐞_𝐂𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐲
https://bi%74%63hute.com/video/W6PmoiOg1GL7

𝐆𝐫𝐞𝐚𝐢𝐧_𝐃𝐞𝐚𝐥_𝐄𝐱𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞𝐝 https://bi%74%63hute.com/video/GHxgY95vu9OX

𝐃𝐨𝐜𝐮𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐭𝐚𝐫𝐲_𝐎𝐧_𝐂𝐈𝐀'𝐬_𝐌𝐊_𝐔𝐥𝐭𝐫𝐚_𝐈𝐧_𝐔𝐤𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐞
https://bi%74%63hute.com/video/G3D8FioEfHRs

𝐀𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐬𝐨𝐧_𝐕𝐚𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫𝐛𝐢𝐥𝐭_(𝐂𝐨𝐨𝐩𝐞𝐫)_𝐒𝐚𝐲s
𝐀𝐦𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐧_𝐆𝐞𝐧𝐨𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞_𝐨𝐟_𝐈𝐫𝐚𝐪_𝐂𝐚𝐧'𝐭_𝐂𝐨𝐦𝐩𝐚𝐫𝐞_𝐓𝐨_𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚𝐧_𝐁𝐨𝐦𝐛𝐢𝐧𝐠
https://bi%74%63hute.com/video/s2vGsABurB91

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#615991 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromVolney <volney@invalid.invalid>
Date2023-07-24 17:09 -0400
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<u9mpae$pms5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#615943
On 7/24/2023 8:26 AM, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:06:02 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>> On 7/23/2023 6:37 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote:
>>>> On 7/22/2023 1:29 PM, Ken Seto wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>
>>>>>> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense.
>>>>>> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy.
>>>>>
>>>>> My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments.
>>>> Your "physics" isn't even physics, it is just word salad assertions.
>>>> And your claims are /refuted/ by experiments, not confirmed.
>>
>>>>> Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles.
>>>>> It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical physics.
>>
>>>> You don't even know what physics is.
>>>
>>> Your physics is based on non-existing virtual particles, gravitons, curvature of space (not knowing why or why is curving.
>>> I gout news for you,,,,,what you have worse than non-physics.
>> Once again, you don't even know what physics even is.
>>
>> Virtual particles etc. are MODELS which demonstrate what's going on. The
>> MODELS are only models, but -- get this -- they WORK rather well. But if
>> a better model comes along that works even better, it will be what's used. ke
> 
> Hey stupid Mi.e......Model Mechanics IS a model,

No, it is not. It does not qualify as a model of physics. That's why its 
correct name is Muddle Mechanics.
>>
>> If you think of subatomic particlesicle  as little billiard balls, you'll go
>> off in the weeds. If you complain that virtual particles don't follow
>> the rules of little billiard balls and go "AHA!", you'll go ever further
>> off into the weeds.

> Hey stupid Mike, my S-PARTICLE isa is   bette than the vour virtual particle and graviton
>   combined.

Hardly. Both virtual particles and gravitons are part of physics models 
which have science behind them. Meanwhile, you pulled your S Particles 
out of your butt and they have no science behind them at all.

>> Physics knows what curvature of spacetime is, even if you don't.

> In my model there is no spacetime.

Since you don't even have a model of physics, that claim is meaningless.

>> Gravitons are part of a model that doesn't work so well, or at least one
>> that makes assumptions about gravity that may not be true.
> 
> Gravity is exactly as I described.....My model doesn't;t require virtual particles.

No, your non-model has S Particles which have less support than virtual 
particles. Hell, they have less support than invisible pink fairies 
causing gravity by pushing the planets around.

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#616016 — Re: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2023-07-24 21:24 -0700
SubjectRe: How can gravitons alone can make the moon go around in circles indefinitely?now much how
Message-ID<829fdde9-dd79-4215-934f-6c0c8682a494n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#615991
On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 23:09:39 UTC+2, Volney wrote:
> On 7/24/2023 8:26 AM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 7:06:02 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote: 
> >> On 7/23/2023 6:37 PM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> >>> On Sunday, July 23, 2023 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-4, Volney wrote: 
> >>>> On 7/22/2023 1:29 PM, Ken Seto wrote: 
> >>>>> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:22:02 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote: 
> >> 
> >>>>>> What you do with physics is 100% nonsense. 
> >>>>>> You are wasting your life away on an infantile fantasy. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> My physics is 100% physical and confirmed by experiments. 
> >>>> Your "physics" isn't even physics, it is just word salad assertions. 
> >>>> And your claims are /refuted/ by experiments, not confirmed. 
> >> 
> >>>>> Your physics depends on non-existing gravitons.and virtual particles. 
> >>>>> It appears that physicists has been wasting 110 years of their time doing non-physical physics. 
> >> 
> >>>> You don't even know what physics is. 
> >>> 
> >>> Your physics is based on non-existing virtual particles, gravitons, curvature of space (not knowing why or why is curving. 
> >>> I gout news for you,,,,,what you have worse than non-physics. 
> >> Once again, you don't even know what physics even is. 
> >> 
> >> Virtual particles etc. are MODELS which demonstrate what's going on. The 
> >> MODELS are only models, but -- get this -- they WORK rather well. But if 
> >> a better model comes along that works even better, it will be what's used. ke 
> > 
> > Hey stupid Mi.e......Model Mechanics IS a model,
> No, it is not. It does not qualify as a model of physics. That's why its 



And do you still believe that  9 192 631 770  ISO idiocy
is some "Newton mode"? You're such an amazing idiot, 
stupid Mike, even considering the standards of your
moronic religion.

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