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Two clocks each one going slower than the other

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First post2023-03-14 19:43 -0700
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  Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-14 19:43 -0700
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 07:09 -0700
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 15:41 +0100
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 09:29 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-04-14 07:15 -0700
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 17:38 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-04-14 14:33 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Rexford Cattaneo <adtd@oerredor.tn> - 2023-04-14 22:20 +0000
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 09:28 -0700
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 10:45 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 11:12 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 11:54 -0700
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-15 22:23 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-16 17:30 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-16 22:33 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-16 23:42 -0700
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 02:56 -0700
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-17 11:16 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 11:43 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-17 18:35 -0700
                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:45 -0700
                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:51 -0700
                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-17 20:05 -0700
                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 20:32 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 09:25 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 06:35 -0700
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 09:28 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 10:01 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 13:28 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 13:33 -0700
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-03-17 16:20 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-03-18 10:37 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-18 11:20 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 06:43 -0700
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 10:13 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-04-19 05:31 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-04-14 14:14 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 18:00 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 18:19 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-13 12:16 +1000
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 19:28 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-13 13:25 +1000
                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 21:53 -0700
                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-13 15:13 +1000
                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 22:43 -0700
                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 22:48 -0700
                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 22:51 -0700
                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-13 16:07 +1000
                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 23:33 -0700
                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-13 16:06 +1000
                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 23:32 -0700
                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 07:22 -0700
                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 08:31 -0700
                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 08:53 -0700
                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-13 12:51 -0400
                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 10:34 -0700
                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-14 13:18 -0400
                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-14 10:29 -0700
                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Rexford Cattaneo <adtd@oerredor.tn> - 2023-04-14 18:09 +0000
                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 17:21 -0700
                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 17:32 -0700
                                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 17:41 -0700
                                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 17:59 -0700
                                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 19:09 -0700
                                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-16 02:45 -0400
                                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 01:06 -0700
                                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 09:41 -0700
                                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 11:27 -0700
                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-16 19:12 +0000
                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 17:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 12:02 -0700
                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 17:55 -0700
                                                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-17 22:37 +1000
                                                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 05:56 -0700
                                                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-04-17 15:11 +0200
                                                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 06:34 -0700
                                                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-04-17 15:48 +0200
                                                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 06:51 -0700
                                                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-17 17:39 +0000
                                                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 19:47 -0700
                                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-18 09:56 +0000
                                                                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-19 05:39 -0700
                                                                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-19 15:21 +0000
                                                                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-19 10:30 -0700
                                                                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-19 11:18 -0700
                                                                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-20 19:08 -0700
                                                                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-04-20 19:27 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-20 21:18 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 01:53 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-04-21 07:30 -0700
                                                                                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 08:09 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2023-04-21 09:01 -0700
                                                                                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 19:47 -0700
                                                                                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 09:58 -0700
                                                                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 01:44 -0700
                                                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 02:46 -0700
                                                                                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-21 07:03 -0700
                                                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 07:51 -0700
                                                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-04-17 17:04 +0200
                                                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 08:18 -0700
                                                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-17 17:32 +0000
                                                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 08:26 -0700
                                                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 09:06 -0700
                                                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 09:14 -0700
                                                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-19 05:35 -0700
                                                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2023-04-20 08:18 -0700
                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-16 22:43 -0700
                                                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 05:25 -0700
                                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 10:53 -0700
                                                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-17 19:43 -0700
                                                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-18 11:08 -0700
                                                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-20 10:29 -0400
                                                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-20 07:38 -0700
                                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-17 22:34 +1000
                                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Tanislao De santis <sonn@iliotssd.od> - 2023-04-16 20:37 +0000
                                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-17 22:31 +1000
                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 23:00 -0700
                            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-13 12:46 +0000
                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 08:54 -0700
                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-04-13 17:59 +0200
                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 09:54 -0700
                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-14 00:21 +0000
                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-04-14 10:14 +0200
                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-14 11:18 +0000
                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-04-14 16:12 +0200
                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-04-14 10:37 -0700
                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Rexford Cattaneo <adtd@oerredor.tn> - 2023-04-14 17:53 +0000
                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-14 14:41 -0400
                                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Rexford Cattaneo <adtd@oerredor.tn> - 2023-04-14 18:57 +0000
                                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-14 16:14 -0400
                              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 10:40 -0700
                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-13 18:06 +0000
                                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 11:23 -0700
                                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-13 18:53 +0000
                                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 14:32 -0700
                                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Richard Hachel <r.hachel@jesaispu.fr> - 2023-04-13 18:20 +0000
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2023-04-14 13:55 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-04-15 09:37 +1000
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-14 23:31 -0400
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-03-18 09:43 +1100
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Carmine Benedetti <iart@aatnen.ei> - 2023-03-17 23:58 +0000
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 19:00 -0700
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Carmine Benedetti <iart@aatnen.ei> - 2023-03-18 21:18 +0000
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-18 18:37 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 10:15 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Carmine Benedetti <iart@aatnen.ei> - 2023-03-19 17:36 +0000
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 10:52 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 15:18 -0700
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 16:39 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 19:42 -0700
                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 20:03 -0700
                          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 22:24 -0700
                        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 22:29 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-20 03:10 -0400
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 00:23 -0700
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 09:23 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-20 16:37 -0400
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-18 10:21 -0400
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Carmine Benedetti <iart@aatnen.ei> - 2023-03-18 15:03 +0000
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-18 10:36 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:12 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-03-18 12:31 +1100
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:32 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 19:02 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:43 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:35 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-03-18 13:07 +1100
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 19:11 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 19:14 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-03-17 21:48 -0500
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 19:12 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-20 18:54 +0000
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-20 17:43 -0400
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-20 22:08 +0000
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 15:24 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 16:47 -0700
                    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-03-21 00:02 -0400
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 23:14 -0700
                      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-21 11:21 +0000
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 02:57 -0700
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-17 21:23 +0000
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-03-17 18:30 -0700
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-03-21 13:57 +1100
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-21 11:12 +0000
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-03-21 22:38 +1100
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-21 11:54 +0000
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Python <python@invalid.org> - 2023-03-21 20:58 +0100
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-21 20:10 +0000
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-03-21 13:13 -0500
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-21 11:19 -0700
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2023-03-19 22:38 -0700
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-03-20 11:46 +0100
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-03-20 09:25 -0700
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-20 18:57 +0000
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-03-21 13:58 +1100
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other  Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2023-03-21 11:12 +0000
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2023-04-12 21:22 +0200
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 13:15 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 18:43 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 22:36 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 19:22 -0700
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 19:30 -0700
            Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 19:45 -0700
              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com> - 2023-04-12 21:41 -0700
        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-04-13 12:54 -0500
          Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 11:32 -0700
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              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 12:15 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 12:21 -0700
                  Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-04-13 12:29 -0700
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              Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Jack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 09:46 -0700
                Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 10:36 -0700
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        Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-04-13 00:41 -0400
    Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2023-04-15 11:20 -0700
      Re: Two clocks each one going slower than the other Rexford Cattaneo <adtd@oerredor.tn> - 2023-04-15 20:20 +0000
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#604061 — Two clocks each one going slower than the other

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-14 19:43 -0700
SubjectTwo clocks each one going slower than the other
Message-ID<57193613-2d9d-4e07-ae54-2684e5b6a1cfn@googlegroups.com>
is a contradiction in Einsteinian science.
Only one could be going slower than the other.
Such predicted contradictions do not belong.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#604128

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 07:09 -0700
Message-ID<b7032ce1-002a-464e-b8c6-b9541bbed8a0n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604061
On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> Such predicted contradictions do not belong. 
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch

You are right.
But I think that they were trying to describe actual situation:
1. Clocks A and B are in relative motion.
2. A is accumulating clock seconds slower than B.
3. A is accumulating clock seconds faster than B.   
4. But they don't know which of the above is the actual true.
5. So they cover both possibilities and knowing that only one of the statement is true.
6. Checkout my theory IRT. Each clock has two possibilities:A predicts that B is accumulating clock seconds slower or faster than A. and B is accumulating clock second faster than A. Only one of these predictions is correct. My theory is called IRT and IRT is described fully in my book: 
Model  Mechanics: The Final Theory

Unfortunately Microsoft blocked my book on line. Amazon posted my book (in pdf form) online in their site with the following link: 
Amazon_BookOnline.pdf 

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#604133

FromAthel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 15:41 +0100
Message-ID<k7e3nvF60uU1@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#604128
On 2023-03-15 14:09:46 +0000, Ken Seto said:
> 
> [ … ]
> 
> Unfortunately Microsoft blocked my book on line. Amazon posted my book 
> (in pdf form) online in their site with the following 
> link:Amazon_BookOnline.pdf

As with your previous "links" that doesn't work, because it's not a 
link. You need to get someone to help you.


-- 
athel -- biochemist, not a physicist, but detector of crackpots

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#604143

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 09:29 -0700
Message-ID<24f51910-4ae9-42a6-87a2-6e8add00b1c5n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604128
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 7:09:50 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> > Such predicted contradictions do not belong. 
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> You are right. 
> But I think that they were trying to describe actual situation: 
> 1. Clocks A and B are in relative motion. 
> 2. A is accumulating clock seconds slower than B. 
> 3. A is accumulating clock seconds faster than B. 
> 4. But they don't know which of the above is the actual true. 
> 5. So they cover both possibilities and knowing that only one of the statement is true. 

Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.

--
Jan

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#607205

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-04-14 07:15 -0700
Message-ID<525db73b-a568-416a-8720-bbe68adea5d1n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604143
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 12:29:38 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 7:09:50 AM UTC-7, Ken Seto wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > > Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> > > Such predicted contradictions do not belong. 
> > > 
> > > Mitchell Raemsch 
> > You are right. 
> > But I think that they were trying to describe actual situation: 
> > 1. Clocks A and B are in relative motion. 
> > 2. A is accumulating clock seconds slower than B. 
> > 3. A is accumulating clock seconds faster than B. 
> > 4. But they don't know which of the above is the actual true. 
> > 5. So they cover both possibilities and knowing that only one of the statement is true.
> Not even wrong. Gobbledygook.

You don't know the meaning of the word Gobbledygook. 

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#607016

From"gehan.am...@gmail.com" <gehan.ameresekere@gmail.com>
Date2023-04-12 17:38 -0700
Message-ID<f0834ce7-959b-4f9e-8818-c9f06ef01361n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604128
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 7:09:50 PM UTC+5, Ken Seto wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> > Such predicted contradictions do not belong. 
> > 
> > Mitchell Raemsch
> You are right. 
> But I think that they were trying to describe actual situation: 
> 1. Clocks A and B are in relative motion. 
> 2. A is accumulating clock seconds slower than B. 
> 3. A is accumulating clock seconds faster than B. 
> 4. But they don't know which of the above is the actual true. 
> 5. So they cover both possibilities and knowing that only one of the statement is true. 
> 6. Checkout my theory IRT. Each clock has two possibilities:A predicts that B is accumulating clock seconds slower or faster than A. and B is accumulating clock second faster than A. Only one of these predictions is correct. My theory is called IRT and IRT is described fully in my book: 
> Model Mechanics: The Final Theory 
> 
> Unfortunately Microsoft blocked my book on line. Amazon posted my book (in pdf form) online in their site with the following link: 
> Amazon_BookOnline.pdf

Fact: it is available on Amazon.  

https://www.amazon.com/Model-Mechanics-Ken-H-Seto/dp/0964713624

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#607250

FromKen Seto <setoken47@gmail.com>
Date2023-04-14 14:33 -0700
Message-ID<436c3b54-7c99-4f51-9d81-107ca0c25b3en@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#607016
On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 8:38:17 PM UTC-4, gehan.am...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 7:09:50 PM UTC+5, Ken Seto wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:43:43 PM UTC-4, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > > Only one could be going slower than the other.
> > > Such predicted contradictions do not belong. 
> > >
> > > Mitchell Raemsch 
> > You are right. 
> > But I think that they were trying to describe actual situation: 
> > 1. Clocks A and B are in relative motion. 
> > 2. A is accumulating clock seconds slower than B. 
> > 3. A is accumulating clock seconds faster than B. 
> > 4. But they don't know which of the above is the actual true. 
> > 5. So they cover both possibilities and knowing that only one of the statement is true. 
> > 6. Checkout my theory IRT. Each clock has two possibilities:A predicts that B is accumulating clock seconds slower or faster than A. and B is accumulating clock second faster than A. Only one of these predictions is correct. My theory is called IRT and IRT is described fully in my book: 
> > Model Mechanics: The Final Theory 
> > 
> > Unfortunately Microsoft blocked my book on line. Amazon posted my book (in pdf form) online in their site with the following link: 
> > Amazon_BookOnline.pdf 
> 
> Fact: it is available on Amazon. 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Model-Mechanics-Ken-H-Seto/dp/0964713624

That's only a brief summary of my book. A complete description of my book is in the Amazon site:
Amazon_bookonline.pdf

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#607253

FromRexford Cattaneo <adtd@oerredor.tn>
Date2023-04-14 22:20 +0000
Message-ID<u1cjk5$1kre5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#607250
Ken Seto wrote:

>> h̶t̶t̶p̶s̶://w̶w̶w̶.a̶m̶a̶zo̶n̶.c̶o̶m̶/M̶o̶d̶e̶l̶-M̶e̶c̶h̶a̶n̶i̶c̶s̶-K̶e̶n̶-H̶-S̶e̶t̶o̶/d̶p̶/0964713624
> 
> That's only a brief summary of my book. A complete description of my
> book is in the Amazon site: Amazon_bookonline.pdf

I like your tensors. Here is the proof, the putina is a traitor, wanting 
to destroy own country in small pieces. The war is just the facade.

How *_the_putina_*, the *_Young_Global_Leaders_* Are Selected
https://%62%69%74%63%68%75%74%65.com/video/Eo8uRTKs19PZ

for f sake, he should already have Odessa, throwing the khaholes nazis out 
from the Black Sea. Giving back to Moldova the south and the north. The 
putina is a traitor.

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#604142

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 09:28 -0700
Message-ID<90a10c66-cbc0-47fb-b041-8e144dcf6c03n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604061
On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 

False.

> Only one could be going slower than the other. 

Not even wrong. This is NOT what relativity is saying.
Just stop and think for one second: if relativity in fact did
say what you claim, it would be instantly demolished
already in early December 1905. What are you thinking, that
everyone is an idiot?

> Such predicted contradictions do not belong. 

There is no such contradiction in relativity. You simply
don't understand what the theory actually says about
this (hint: your argument inadvertently assumes that
the same set of clocks participates in the clock rate
comparison; think this through, this is why Einstein was
a smart cookie: already 117 years ago he *avoided* the
trap you fell into!)

--
Jan

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#604153

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 10:45 -0700
Message-ID<33a937ce-6298-4ab7-896c-1d7c8e9b3183n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604142
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:28:54 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science.
> False.

That Einsteinian science is wrong jan.
But even he said he could be wrong...
He was more honest than you say you
are.


> > Only one could be going slower than the other.
> Not even wrong. This is NOT what relativity is saying. 
> Just stop and think for one second: if relativity in fact did 
> say what you claim, it would be instantly demolished 
> already in early December 1905. What are you thinking, that 
> everyone is an idiot?

No. Just you... 
The paradox has always been a real contradiction. 

> > Such predicted contradictions do not belong.
> There is no such contradiction in relativity. You simply 
> don't understand what the theory actually says about 
> this (hint: your argument inadvertently assumes that 
> the same set of clocks participates in the clock rate 
> comparison; think this through, this is why Einstein was 
> a smart cookie: already 117 years ago he *avoided* the 
> trap you fell into!) 
> 
> -- 
> Jan

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#604156

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 11:12 -0700
Message-ID<725ea840-2cb1-4228-a6fc-68faa1ff1106n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604153
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:28:54 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > False.
> That Einsteinian science is wrong jan. 
> But even he said he could be wrong... 
> He was more honest than you say you 
> are.

You keep making it into some sort of personal issue.
But this is simply a mathematical issue: the mutual
time dilation in relativity is not a contradiction.

> > > Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> > Not even wrong. This is NOT what relativity is saying. 
> > Just stop and think for one second: if relativity in fact did 
> > say what you claim, it would be instantly demolished 
> > already in early December 1905. What are you thinking, that 
> > everyone is an idiot?
> No. Just you... 
> The paradox has always been a real contradiction.

There is no contradiction there. You make an incorrect
assumption along the way and, unsurprisingly, come
up with an error. But it's your wrong assumption(*) that's
the problem, not relativity.

(*)You assume that the same set of clocks participates
in the time dilation comparison. Obviously, if you make
that FALSE assumption, you get nonsense: the same clock
must be running both faster and slower than some other
clock. But this is NOT how the time dilation works in
relativity. You really ought to study this theory in more
detail. Until you do that, you'll be forever haunted by
such mirages in the desert.

--
Jan

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#604170

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 11:54 -0700
Message-ID<3fec0531-034a-4769-afa4-b6c0eb4e505cn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604156
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:12:33 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:28:54 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > > False. 
> > That Einsteinian science is wrong jan. 
> > But even he said he could be wrong... 
> > He was more honest than you say you 
> > are.
> You keep making it into some sort of personal issue. 
> But this is simply a mathematical issue: the mutual 
> time dilation in relativity is not a contradiction.
> > > > Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> > > Not even wrong. This is NOT what relativity is saying. 
> > > Just stop and think for one second: if relativity in fact did 
> > > say what you claim, it would be instantly demolished 
> > > already in early December 1905. What are you thinking, that 
> > > everyone is an idiot? 
> > No. Just you... 
> > The paradox has always been a real contradiction.
> There is no contradiction there. You make an incorrect 
> assumption along the way and, unsurprisingly, come 
> up with an error. But it's your wrong assumption(*) that's 
> the problem, not relativity. 
> 
> (*)You assume that the same set of clocks participates 
> in the time dilation comparison. Obviously, if you make 
> that FALSE assumption, you get nonsense: the same clock 
> must be running both faster and slower than some other 
> clock. But this is NOT how the time dilation works in 
> relativity. You really ought to study this theory in more 
> detail. Until you do that, you'll be forever haunted by 
> such mirages in the desert. 
> 
> -- 
> Jan

Contradictions don't belong. And relativity has never been proven right.
Science can't prove itself janny.

Mitchell Raemsch

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#604256

FromJanPB <filmart@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-15 22:23 -0700
Message-ID<620cb4a4-a1e1-4b45-8e5d-150b232a93cbn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604170
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:12:33 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:28:54 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > > > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > > > False. 
> > > That Einsteinian science is wrong jan. 
> > > But even he said he could be wrong... 
> > > He was more honest than you say you 
> > > are. 
> > You keep making it into some sort of personal issue. 
> > But this is simply a mathematical issue: the mutual 
> > time dilation in relativity is not a contradiction. 
> > > > > Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> > > > Not even wrong. This is NOT what relativity is saying. 
> > > > Just stop and think for one second: if relativity in fact did 
> > > > say what you claim, it would be instantly demolished 
> > > > already in early December 1905. What are you thinking, that 
> > > > everyone is an idiot? 
> > > No. Just you... 
> > > The paradox has always been a real contradiction. 
> > There is no contradiction there. You make an incorrect 
> > assumption along the way and, unsurprisingly, come 
> > up with an error. But it's your wrong assumption(*) that's 
> > the problem, not relativity. 
> > 
> > (*)You assume that the same set of clocks participates 
> > in the time dilation comparison. Obviously, if you make 
> > that FALSE assumption, you get nonsense: the same clock 
> > must be running both faster and slower than some other 
> > clock. But this is NOT how the time dilation works in 
> > relativity. You really ought to study this theory in more 
> > detail. Until you do that, you'll be forever haunted by 
> > such mirages in the desert. 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jan
> Contradictions don't belong. 

Correct.

> And relativity has never been proven right. 

No theory has ever been proven right. No theory ever will be.

You keep bringing up those general points about science in
general and make them look as if all this was some peculiarity
of relativity.

> Science can't prove itself janny. 

Who said it was supposed to?

--
Jan

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#604381

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-16 17:30 -0700
Message-ID<fcda3d48-88ed-4d70-b864-ba3a80514744n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604256
On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:23:09 PM UTC-7, JanPB wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 11:12:33 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 10:45:22 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 9:28:54 AM UTC-7, JanPB wrote: 
> > > > > On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 7:43:43 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > > > > > is a contradiction in Einsteinian science. 
> > > > > False. 
> > > > That Einsteinian science is wrong jan. 
> > > > But even he said he could be wrong... 
> > > > He was more honest than you say you 
> > > > are. 
> > > You keep making it into some sort of personal issue. 
> > > But this is simply a mathematical issue: the mutual 
> > > time dilation in relativity is not a contradiction. 
> > > > > > Only one could be going slower than the other. 
> > > > > Not even wrong. This is NOT what relativity is saying. 
> > > > > Just stop and think for one second: if relativity in fact did 
> > > > > say what you claim, it would be instantly demolished 
> > > > > already in early December 1905. What are you thinking, that 
> > > > > everyone is an idiot? 
> > > > No. Just you... 
> > > > The paradox has always been a real contradiction. 
> > > There is no contradiction there. You make an incorrect 
> > > assumption along the way and, unsurprisingly, come 
> > > up with an error. But it's your wrong assumption(*) that's 
> > > the problem, not relativity. 
> > > 
> > > (*)You assume that the same set of clocks participates 
> > > in the time dilation comparison. Obviously, if you make 
> > > that FALSE assumption, you get nonsense: the same clock 
> > > must be running both faster and slower than some other 
> > > clock. But this is NOT how the time dilation works in 
> > > relativity. You really ought to study this theory in more 
> > > detail. Until you do that, you'll be forever haunted by 
> > > such mirages in the desert. 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Jan 
> > Contradictions don't belong.
> Correct.
> > And relativity has never been proven right.
> No theory has ever been proven right. No theory ever will be. 

So what in science is believable? Why would anyone believe you jan?
I believe the believable. And you are not it.

> 
> You keep bringing up those general points about science in 
> general and make them look as if all this was some peculiarity 
> of relativity.
> > Science can't prove itself janny.
> Who said it was supposed to? 

Then how is it that what you have is real janny?
Then if you cannot prove what you believe is real
what do you have?

The paradox never belonged. NO contradictions...
Why can't you prove what is real jan?

> 
> -- 
> Jan

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#604404

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-03-16 22:33 -0700
Message-ID<6413FBBC.79F@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#604381
if 
two clocks
each one going slower
 than the other...
then eventually
both clocks 
well
come
to
a
stop.

At that point
they both
begin to
travel
back
in
time.

How?

What made 
both clocks 
stop
is what
will make
them
travel
back
in
time.

They 
certaintly 
cannot 
go any slower
if they
both
stopped..

What made 
both clocks 
go slower
is what
will make
them
travel
back
in
time
after
they 
stopped.

That's a fact, jack.



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#604408

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-03-16 23:42 -0700
Message-ID<64140BF0.1C8E@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#604404
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> if
> two clocks
> each one going slower
>  than the other...
> then eventually
> both clocks
> well
> come
> to
> a
> stop.
> 
> At that point
> they both
> begin to
> travel
> back
> in
> time.
> 
> How?
> 
> What made
> both clocks
> stop
> is what
> will make
> them
> travel
> back
> in
> time.
> 
> They
> certaintly
> cannot
> go any slower
> if they
> both
> stopped..
> 
> What made
> both clocks
> go slower
> is what
> will make
> them
> travel
> back
> in
> time
> after
> they
> stopped.
> 
> That's a fact, jack.


I mean, dis is all based
on Einstein 1905 paper
on relativity.


It's very simple..

the faster you go
the slower the clock 'gets'.

You go super fast..
the clock slows down
to a stop.

You keep going
super super fast...
the clock goes back in time.


A to B
B to A


A equals getreadygetsetgo

to equals the speed of light

B equals the end point/stop

B to A


B equals getreadygetsetgoback

to A.


A - B
B - A




If your clock reads
12:00am to 11:59pm

you've gone back in time.


It might be easier to
just send yourself
a message back in time.





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The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#604417

FromJack Liu <liuedy@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-17 02:56 -0700
Message-ID<b762f218-443a-4421-aaf7-55b296bf160dn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604408
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:42:34 AM UTC-5, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > if 
> > two clocks 
> > each one going slower 
> > than the other... 
> > then eventually 
> > both clocks 
> > well 
> > come 
> > to 
> > a 
> > stop. 
> > 
> > At that point 
> > they both 
> > begin to 
> > travel 
> > back 
> > in 
> > time. 
> > 
> > How? 
> > 
> > What made 
> > both clocks 
> > stop 
> > is what 
> > will make 
> > them 
> > travel 
> > back 
> > in 
> > time. 
> > 
> > They 
> > certaintly 
> > cannot 
> > go any slower 
> > if they 
> > both 
> > stopped.. 
> > 
> > What made 
> > both clocks 
> > go slower 
> > is what 
> > will make 
> > them 
> > travel 
> > back 
> > in 
> > time 
> > after 
> > they 
> > stopped. 
> > 
> > That's a fact, jack.
> I mean, dis is all based 
> on Einstein 1905 paper 
> on relativity. 
> 
> 
> It's very simple.. 
> 
> the faster you go 
> the slower the clock 'gets'. 
> 
> You go super fast.. 
> the clock slows down 
> to a stop. 
> 
> You keep going 
> super super fast... 
> the clock goes back in time. 
> 
> 
> A to B 
> B to A 
> 
> 
> A equals getreadygetsetgo 
> 
> to equals the speed of light 
> 
> B equals the end point/stop 
> 
> B to A 
> 
> 
> B equals getreadygetsetgoback 
> 
> to A. 
> 
> 
> A - B 
> B - A 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If your clock reads 
> 12:00am to 11:59pm 
> 
> you've gone back in time. 
> 
> 
> It might be easier to 
> just send yourself 
> a message back in time.
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.

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#604448

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-03-17 11:16 -0700
Message-ID<6414AE65.79EE@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#604408
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > if
> > two clocks
> > each one going slower
> >  than the other...
> > then eventually
> > both clocks
> > well
> > come
> > to
> > a
> > stop.
> >
> > At that point
> > they both
> > begin to
> > travel
> > back
> > in
> > time.
> >
> > How?
> >
> > What made
> > both clocks
> > stop
> > is what
> > will make
> > them
> > travel
> > back
> > in
> > time.
> >
> > They
> > certaintly
> > cannot
> > go any slower
> > if they
> > both
> > stopped..
> >
> > What made
> > both clocks
> > go slower
> > is what
> > will make
> > them
> > travel
> > back
> > in
> > time
> > after
> > they
> > stopped.
> >
> > That's a fact, jack.
> 
> I mean, dis is all based
> on Einstein 1905 paper
> on relativity.
> 
> It's very simple..
> 
> the faster you go
> the slower the clock 'gets'.
> 
> You go super fast..
> the clock slows down
> to a stop.
> 
> You keep going
> super super fast...
> the clock goes back in time.
> 
> A to B
> B to A
> 
> A equals getreadygetsetgo
> 
> to equals the speed of light
> 
> B equals the end point/stop
> 
> B to A
> 
> B equals getreadygetsetgoback
> 
> to A.
> 
> A - B
> B - A
> 
> If your clock reads
> 12:00am to 11:59pm
> 
> you've gone back in time.
> 
> It might be easier to
> just send yourself
> a message back in time.


To put it simply..

the faster one clock moves..
the slower it gets until
it completely stops...

then if the clock keeps 
moving...faster, ..then
it has no choice but to
go back in time.

There is no other place
it can go.







-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#604450

From"mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com>
Date2023-03-17 11:43 -0700
Message-ID<5ab1781c-3629-4e06-a289-97bee98d70d4n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#604448
On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 11:16:02 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > 
> > > if 
> > > two clocks 
> > > each one going slower 
> > > than the other... 
> > > then eventually 
> > > both clocks 
> > > well 
> > > come 
> > > to 
> > > a 
> > > stop. 
> > > 
> > > At that point 
> > > they both 
> > > begin to 
> > > travel 
> > > back 
> > > in 
> > > time. 
> > > 
> > > How? 
> > > 
> > > What made 
> > > both clocks 
> > > stop 
> > > is what 
> > > will make 
> > > them 
> > > travel 
> > > back 
> > > in 
> > > time. 
> > > 
> > > They 
> > > certaintly 
> > > cannot 
> > > go any slower 
> > > if they 
> > > both 
> > > stopped.. 
> > > 
> > > What made 
> > > both clocks 
> > > go slower 
> > > is what 
> > > will make 
> > > them 
> > > travel 
> > > back 
> > > in 
> > > time 
> > > after 
> > > they 
> > > stopped. 
> > > 
> > > That's a fact, jack. 
> > 
> > I mean, dis is all based 
> > on Einstein 1905 paper 
> > on relativity. 
> > 
> > It's very simple.. 
> > 
> > the faster you go 
> > the slower the clock 'gets'. 
> > 
> > You go super fast.. 
> > the clock slows down 
> > to a stop. 
> > 
> > You keep going 
> > super super fast... 
> > the clock goes back in time. 
> > 
> > A to B 
> > B to A 
> > 
> > A equals getreadygetsetgo 
> > 
> > to equals the speed of light 
> > 
> > B equals the end point/stop 
> > 
> > B to A 
> > 
> > B equals getreadygetsetgoback 
> > 
> > to A. 
> > 
> > A - B 
> > B - A 
> > 
> > If your clock reads 
> > 12:00am to 11:59pm 
> > 
> > you've gone back in time. 
> > 
> > It might be easier to 
> > just send yourself 
> > a message back in time.
> To put it simply.. 
> 
> the faster one clock moves.. 
> the slower it gets until 
> it completely stops... 

That is what could never happen.
Time cannot stop by force or propulsion...
that is the Gamma math. a clock can be finite slow
but it cannot go from that to infinite slow.

> 
> then if the clock keeps 
> moving...faster, ..then 
> it has no choice but to 
> go back in time. 

FTL does not exist because
the atom cannot reach light speed...
Because you can't stop time
it can never go backwar.

> 
> There is no other place 
> it can go.

It stays finite slow instead.

Mitchell Raemsch
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.

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#604504

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2023-03-17 18:35 -0700
Message-ID<64151556.7513@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#604448
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > if
> > > two clocks
> > > each one going slower
> > >  than the other...
> > > then eventually
> > > both clocks
> > > well
> > > come
> > > to
> > > a
> > > stop.
> > >
> > > At that point
> > > they both
> > > begin to
> > > travel
> > > back
> > > in
> > > time.
> > >
> > > How?
> > >
> > > What made
> > > both clocks
> > > stop
> > > is what
> > > will make
> > > them
> > > travel
> > > back
> > > in
> > > time.
> > >
> > > They
> > > certaintly
> > > cannot
> > > go any slower
> > > if they
> > > both
> > > stopped..
> > >
> > > What made
> > > both clocks
> > > go slower
> > > is what
> > > will make
> > > them
> > > travel
> > > back
> > > in
> > > time
> > > after
> > > they
> > > stopped.
> > >
> > > That's a fact, jack.
> >
> > I mean, dis is all based
> > on Einstein 1905 paper
> > on relativity.
> >
> > It's very simple..
> >
> > the faster you go
> > the slower the clock 'gets'.
> >
> > You go super fast..
> > the clock slows down
> > to a stop.
> >
> > You keep going
> > super super fast...
> > the clock goes back in time.
> >
> > A to B
> > B to A
> >
> > A equals getreadygetsetgo
> >
> > to equals the speed of light
> >
> > B equals the end point/stop
> >
> > B to A
> >
> > B equals getreadygetsetgoback
> >
> > to A.
> >
> > A - B
> > B - A
> >
> > If your clock reads
> > 12:00am to 11:59pm
> >
> > you've gone back in time.
> >
> > It might be easier to
> > just send yourself
> > a message back in time.
> 
> To put it simply..
> 
> the faster one clock moves..
> the slower it gets until
> it completely stops...
> 
> then if the clock keeps
> moving...faster, ..then
> it has no choice but to
> go back in time.
> 
> There is no other place
> it can go.


Here is the gist...


Einstein wanted to 
cover up dis fact so
he invented
wormholes to
distract everyone.


Einstein did a ...switcheroo.



so he created a ...brick wall.


Remember this, brick walls are made by people.

Brick walls are to keep...other people out.










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 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
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 the unchallengeable.

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