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  Nature The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-11 11:20 -0800
    Re: Nature Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-12-11 20:27 +0100
      Re: Nature The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-11 13:50 -0800
        Re: Nature whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-11 16:48 -0600
          Re: Nature Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-11 18:04 -0800
          Re: Nature The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-11 19:29 -0800
            Re: Nature whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-11 21:36 -0600
              Re: Nature The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-11 22:28 -0800
                Re: Nature whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-12 07:14 -0600
                  Re: Nature Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-12 07:46 -0800
                  Re: Nature The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-12 11:07 -0800
                    Re: Nature whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-12 14:36 -0600
                      Re: Nature The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-13 11:30 -0800
                        Re: Nature The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-13 22:28 -0800

#597302 — Nature

Nature
spends
a lot of time
making sure
your 
science
your
physics
Your
Laws
match the universe.

It seems to work..
but it's just
an illusion.

A theory of everything?
Nature says, "No, that is not going to work."

"You better stick with a theory of Relativity." 

"...or something small like that."


Go ahead, make a theory of gravity.



"...or something small like that."






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#597303

On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:

> Nature
> spends
> a lot of time
> making sure
> your
> science
> your
> physics
> Your
> Laws
> match the universe.

You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The 
job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
> 
> It seems to work..
> but it's just
> an illusion.
> 
> A theory of everything?
> Nature says, "No, that is not going to work."
> 
> "You better stick with a theory of Relativity."
> 
> "...or something small like that."
> 
> 
> Go ahead, make a theory of gravity.
> 
> 
> 
> "...or something small like that."


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly 
in England until 1987.

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#597314

Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> 
> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
> 
> > Nature
> > spends
> > a lot of time
> > making sure
> > your
> > science
> > your
> > physics
> > Your
> > Laws
> > match the universe.
> 
> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.

There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
in the mind.









> >
> > It seems to work..
> > but it's just
> > an illusion.
> >
> > A theory of everything?
> > Nature says, "No, that is not going to work."
> >
> > "You better stick with a theory of Relativity."
> >
> > "...or something small like that."
> >
> >
> > Go ahead, make a theory of gravity.
> >
> >
> >
> > "...or something small like that."
> 
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly
> in England until 1987.

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#597318

On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
>>
>>> Nature
>>> spends
>>> a lot of time
>>> making sure
>>> your
>>> science
>>> your
>>> physics
>>> Your
>>> Laws
>>> match the universe.
>>
>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
> 
> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
> in the mind.

You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.

You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)

[...]

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#597329

On Sunday, 11 December 2022 at 23:48:18 UTC+1, whodat wrote:
> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said: 
> >> 
> >>> Nature 
> >>> spends 
> >>> a lot of time 
> >>> making sure 
> >>> your 
> >>> science 
> >>> your 
> >>> physics 
> >>> Your 
> >>> Laws 
> >>> match the universe. 
> >> 
> >> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The 
> >> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them. 
> > 
> > There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only 
> > in the mind.
> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise 
> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. 

Buhahahahahahahahahaha.
How easy proving something is for a deep believer.

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#597333

whodat wrote:
> 
> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
> >>
> >>> Nature
> >>> spends
> >>> a lot of time
> >>> making sure
> >>> your
> >>> science
> >>> your
> >>> physics
> >>> Your
> >>> Laws
> >>> match the universe.
> >>
> >> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
> >> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
> >
> > There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
> > in the mind.
> 
> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.
> 
> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)
> 
> [...]


The sun does not rise or sets.





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#597335

On 12/11/2022 9:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>>
>> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
>>>>
>>>>> Nature
>>>>> spends
>>>>> a lot of time
>>>>> making sure
>>>>> your
>>>>> science
>>>>> your
>>>>> physics
>>>>> Your
>>>>> Laws
>>>>> match the universe.
>>>>
>>>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
>>>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
>>>
>>> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
>>> in the mind.
>>
>> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
>> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.
>>
>> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)
>>
>> [...]
> 
> 
> The sun does not rise or sets.

Do you always have to be an asshole?

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#597339

whodat wrote:
> 
> On 12/11/2022 9:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > whodat wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nature
> >>>>> spends
> >>>>> a lot of time
> >>>>> making sure
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> science
> >>>>> your
> >>>>> physics
> >>>>> Your
> >>>>> Laws
> >>>>> match the universe.
> >>>>
> >>>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
> >>>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
> >>>
> >>> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
> >>> in the mind.
> >>
> >> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
> >> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.
> >>
> >> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)
> >>
> >> [...]
> >
> >
> > The sun does not rise or sets.
> 
> Do you always have to be an asshole?


The fact is...The sun does not rise or sets. 


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#597352

On 12/12/2022 12:28 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>>
>> On 12/11/2022 9:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> whodat wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nature
>>>>>>> spends
>>>>>>> a lot of time
>>>>>>> making sure
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> science
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> physics
>>>>>>> Your
>>>>>>> Laws
>>>>>>> match the universe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
>>>>>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
>>>>> in the mind.
>>>>
>>>> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
>>>> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.
>>>>
>>>> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> The sun does not rise or sets.
>>
>> Do you always have to be an asshole?
> 
> 
> The fact is...The sun does not rise or sets.

Wonderful, now you're knowingly defending being an asshole who
is incapable of having a discussion in normal parlance. What is
this need you have for one upmanship? Are you the Mook the local
whops keep beating up for being a chooch?

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/sunrise.html

Of course the sun doesn't rise and set, it looks that way to
humans who inhabit the earth and it is described and discussed
that way by normal humans; but you want to be special; you
must enjoy being a putz. This has been going on as a human
practice as long as humans have been around. Want to find
something wrong with "humans being around" as well?

Sheesh! Get a life already.

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#597360

On Monday, 12 December 2022 at 14:14:16 UTC+1, whodat wrote:
> On 12/12/2022 12:28 AM, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > whodat wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On 12/11/2022 9:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote: 
> >>> whodat wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote: 
> >>>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote: 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said: 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Nature 
> >>>>>>> spends 
> >>>>>>> a lot of time 
> >>>>>>> making sure 
> >>>>>>> your 
> >>>>>>> science 
> >>>>>>> your 
> >>>>>>> physics 
> >>>>>>> Your 
> >>>>>>> Laws 
> >>>>>>> match the universe. 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The 
> >>>>>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only 
> >>>>> in the mind. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise 
> >>>> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.) 
> >>>> 
> >>>> [...] 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> The sun does not rise or sets. 
> >> 
> >> Do you always have to be an asshole? 
> > 
> > 
> > The fact is...The sun does not rise or sets.
> Wonderful, now you're knowingly defending being an asshole who 
> is incapable of having a discussion in normal parlance. What is 
> this need you have for one upmanship? Are you the Mook the local 
> whops keep beating up for being a chooch? 
> 
> http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/sunrise.html 
> 
> Of course the sun doesn't rise and set, it looks that way to 
> humans who inhabit the earth and it is described and discussed 
> that way by normal human but you want to be special; you 
> must enjoy being a putz. This has been going on as a human 
> practice as long as humans have been around. Want to find 
> something wrong with "humans being around" as well? 

Normal humans? Do you mean the ones counting time
with sunrises instead  with your ISO madness? 
it looks that way to  humans who inhabit the earth and it is 
described and discussed  that way by normal human but 
you want to be special; you  must enjoy being a putz. This 
has been going on as a human practice as long as humans 
have been around. Want to find  something wrong with 
"humans being around" as well? 

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#597375

whodat wrote:
> 
> On 12/12/2022 12:28 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > whodat wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/11/2022 9:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> whodat wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Nature
> >>>>>>> spends
> >>>>>>> a lot of time
> >>>>>>> making sure
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> science
> >>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> physics
> >>>>>>> Your
> >>>>>>> Laws
> >>>>>>> match the universe.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
> >>>>>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
> >>>>> in the mind.
> >>>>
> >>>> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
> >>>> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.
> >>>>
> >>>> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)
> >>>>
> >>>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The sun does not rise or sets.
> >>
> >> Do you always have to be an asshole?
> >
> >
> > The fact is...The sun does not rise or sets.
> 
> Wonderful, now you're knowingly defending being an asshole who
> is incapable of having a discussion in normal parlance. What is
> this need you have for one upmanship? Are you the Mook the local
> whops keep beating up for being a chooch?
> 
> http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/sunrise.html
> 
> Of course the sun doesn't rise and set, it looks that way to
> humans who inhabit the earth and it is described and discussed
> that way by normal humans; 


Well, this is about what people 'perceive' Laws of Nature are..

when you wrote "the sun will rise", I was wondering what Laws of Nature
are there
with "the sun will rise"...was it Sunrise Laws?, Sunst Laws??, Sunshine
Laws? Sunny Laws?? I
didn't know of any. But,
you seem to be taking about...'people observations' from standing on the
earth and
looking at the sky...what law of nature is that one? Doesn't it DEPEND
on your zipcode? 

Like for example: zipcode 995??


Maybe, just maybe...you have no idea the definition of 'Laws of Nature'
mean.

Does the Law apply everywhere, or just from your window at the funny
farm where you live?






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#597388

On 12/12/2022 1:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> whodat wrote:
>>
>> On 12/12/2022 12:28 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> whodat wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/2022 9:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> whodat wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nature
>>>>>>>>> spends
>>>>>>>>> a lot of time
>>>>>>>>> making sure
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> science
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>> physics
>>>>>>>>> Your
>>>>>>>>> Laws
>>>>>>>>> match the universe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
>>>>>>>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
>>>>>>> in the mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
>>>>>> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The sun does not rise or sets.
>>>>
>>>> Do you always have to be an asshole?
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact is...The sun does not rise or sets.
>>
>> Wonderful, now you're knowingly defending being an asshole who
>> is incapable of having a discussion in normal parlance. What is
>> this need you have for one upmanship? Are you the Mook the local
>> whops keep beating up for being a chooch?
>>
>> http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/sunrise.html
>>
>> Of course the sun doesn't rise and set, it looks that way to
>> humans who inhabit the earth and it is described and discussed
>> that way by normal humans;
> 
> 
> Well, this is about what people 'perceive' Laws of Nature are..
> 
> when you wrote "the sun will rise", I was wondering what Laws of Nature
> are there
> with "the sun will rise"...was it Sunrise Laws?, Sunst Laws??, Sunshine
> Laws? Sunny Laws?? I
> didn't know of any. But,
> you seem to be taking about...'people observations' from standing on the
> earth and
> looking at the sky...what law of nature is that one? Doesn't it DEPEND
> on your zipcode?
> 
> Like for example: zipcode 995??
> 
> 
> Maybe, just maybe...you have no idea the definition of 'Laws of Nature'
> mean.
> 
> Does the Law apply everywhere, or just from your window at the funny
> farm where you live?

ibid.

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#597445

whodat wrote:
> 
> On 12/12/2022 1:07 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> > whodat wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12/12/2022 12:28 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> whodat wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/2022 9:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>> whodat wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/11/2022 3:50 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>>>> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2022-12-11 19:20:37 +0000, The Starmaker said:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nature
> >>>>>>>>> spends
> >>>>>>>>> a lot of time
> >>>>>>>>> making sure
> >>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>> science
> >>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>> physics
> >>>>>>>>> Your
> >>>>>>>>> Laws
> >>>>>>>>> match the universe.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You've missed the point. The laws of nature have always been there. The
> >>>>>>>> job of physicists (of whom I am not one) is to find them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are no places in the Universe where these Laws exist, excepy only
> >>>>>>> in the mind.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You are wrong. Predictability of/in natural events (the sun will rise
> >>>>>> tomorrow) proves that laws of nature exist. Put the bong away.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> You won't (another correct prediction of nature.)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [...]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The sun does not rise or sets.
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you always have to be an asshole?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The fact is...The sun does not rise or sets.
> >>
> >> Wonderful, now you're knowingly defending being an asshole who
> >> is incapable of having a discussion in normal parlance. What is
> >> this need you have for one upmanship? Are you the Mook the local
> >> whops keep beating up for being a chooch?
> >>
> >> http://solar-center.stanford.edu/AO/sunrise.html
> >>
> >> Of course the sun doesn't rise and set, it looks that way to
> >> humans who inhabit the earth and it is described and discussed
> >> that way by normal humans;
> >
> >
> > Well, this is about what people 'perceive' Laws of Nature are..
> >
> > when you wrote "the sun will rise", I was wondering what Laws of Nature
> > are there
> > with "the sun will rise"...was it Sunrise Laws?, Sunst Laws??, Sunshine
> > Laws? Sunny Laws?? I
> > didn't know of any. But,
> > you seem to be taking about...'people observations' from standing on the
> > earth and
> > looking at the sky...what law of nature is that one? Doesn't it DEPEND
> > on your zipcode?
> >
> > Like for example: zipcode 995??
> >
> >
> > Maybe, just maybe...you have no idea the definition of 'Laws of Nature'
> > mean.
> >
> > Does the Law apply everywhere, or just from your window at the funny
> > farm where you live?
> 
> ibid.

In Alaska there are times they don't see a sunrise or a sunset. 





-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#597484

Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 11:29:58 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > In Alaska there are times they don't see a sunrise or a sunset.
> 
> It is more correct to say that in Alaska above the Arctic Circle there are times they don't see a sunrise or a sunset. Below that latitude, it is no longer true.

Is that North of the North Pole?

And which way is south of the south pole?

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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