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  This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-18 16:05 -0800
    Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@alphapounet.fr> - 2022-11-19 00:16 +0000
      Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-18 19:56 -0800
        Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-18 22:21 -0800
        Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@alphapounet.fr> - 2022-11-19 10:05 +0000
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-19 03:19 -0800
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-19 12:29 -0800
            Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@alphapounet.fr> - 2022-11-19 20:40 +0000
            Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-19 12:55 -0800
        Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Jules Scotti <ujsl@ocjssuis.os> - 2022-11-20 18:58 +0000
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Jules Scotti <ujsl@ocjssuis.os> - 2022-11-20 19:41 +0000
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Blake Armanni <blea@arrkare.in> - 2022-11-21 10:12 +0000
    Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-18 19:54 -0800
    Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-11-18 22:09 -0800
      Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-19 04:52 -0800
        Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-11-19 12:31 -0800
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-19 12:56 -0800
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-19 12:57 -0800
            Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 06:33 -0800
              Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-11-20 16:26 +0100
                Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 14:20 -0800
                  Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 14:34 -0800
                    Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 17:19 -0800
                      Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 17:57 -0800
                        Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 18:30 -0800
                        Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-21 00:46 -0800
                          Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-21 08:45 -0800
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hachel <r.hachel@alphapounet.fr> - 2022-11-19 21:25 +0000
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-11-19 15:50 -0600
        Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-20 03:34 -0500
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 00:42 -0800
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-11-20 05:01 -0800
            Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-11-20 14:36 +0100
              Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-11-20 14:41 +0100
            Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-11-22 11:32 -0500
              Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. Blake Armanni <blea@arrkare.in> - 2022-11-22 17:10 +0000
        Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-11-20 11:53 -0800
          Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-11-20 12:20 -0800
            Re: This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-11-20 12:34 -0800

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#595656 — This forum is, mostly, an old fart's relativity widows gathering place.

As simple as that. Only serves as a place for comforting each other and crying because relativity is death.

Actually, relativity was never a real thing. Just a dream about some impossible physics, now boring and obsolete.

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#595657

Le 19/11/2022 à 01:05, Richard Hertz a écrit :
> As simple as that. Only serves as a place for comforting each other and crying 
> because relativity is death.
> 
> Actually, relativity was never a real thing. Just a dream about some impossible 
> physics, now boring and obsolete.

Are you kidding me?

The theory of the relativity of space and time is ultimately very logical, 
and has plenty of evidence that it is correct and true.

It requires only a little theoretical and experimental correction, because 
of the ignorance that people have of the notion of spatial anisotropy.

But almost everything is already there, and it is certain that this theory 
which puts in relation the space and the time is correct in its broad 
outlines (I noted only three errors of concepts).


R.H. 

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#595660

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 4:16:42 PM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 19/11/2022 à 01:05, Richard Hertz a écrit : 
> > As simple as that. Only serves as a place for comforting each other and crying 
> > because relativity is death. 
> > 
> > Actually, relativity was never a real thing. Just a dream about some impossible 
> > physics, now boring and obsolete.
> Are you kidding me? 
> 
> The theory of the relativity of space and time is ultimately very logical, 
> and has plenty of evidence that it is correct and true. 
> 
> It requires only a little theoretical and experimental correction, because 
> of the ignorance that people have of the notion of spatial anisotropy. 

There is no "people ignorance". You simply don't understand the theory
and for some reason you blame your ignorance on others. It's a personality
defect.

> But almost everything is already there, and it is certain that this theory 
> which puts in relation the space and the time is correct in its broad 
> outlines (I noted only three errors of concepts). 

Dream on.  The only way to contradict relativity today is by experiment,
not by "concepts".

--
Jan

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#595663

On Saturday, 19 November 2022 at 04:56:21 UTC+1, JanPB wrote:
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 4:16:42 PM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> > Le 19/11/2022 à 01:05, Richard Hertz a écrit : 
> > > As simple as that. Only serves as a place for comforting each other and crying 
> > > because relativity is death. 
> > > 
> > > Actually, relativity was never a real thing. Just a dream about some impossible 
> > > physics, now boring and obsolete. 
> > Are you kidding me? 
> > 
> > The theory of the relativity of space and time is ultimately very logical, 
> > and has plenty of evidence that it is correct and true. 
> > 
> > It requires only a little theoretical and experimental correction, because 
> > of the ignorance that people have of the notion of spatial anisotropy.
> There is no "people ignorance". You simply don't understand the theory 
> and for some reason you blame your ignorance on others. It's a personality 
> defect.
> > But almost everything is already there, and it is certain that this theory 
> > which puts in relation the space and the time is correct in its broad 
> > outlines (I noted only three errors of concepts).
> Dream on. The only way to contradict relativity today is by experiment, 

And poor idiot Jan is a queen of England.

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#595667

Le 19/11/2022 à 04:56, JanPB a écrit :

> Dream on.  The only way to contradict relativity today is by experiment,
> not by "concepts".
 
> --
> Jan

No, you can contradict a theory without needing the experience if the 
theory is contradictory or absurd.

You don't need an experiment to prove it.

Worse, you can even contradict an experiment when you have this terrible 
theoretical force on your side.

I did this several years ago when it was reported to me that superluminal 
particles had been found.

I said that I was stronger than experience, and that it was impossible for 
experience to be right about me because then we were entering into a 
terrible theoretical contradiction.

A few weeks later, we learned that the experimenter had made a mistake.

The theory of relativity, as understood now, i.e. who affirms, like me, 
the notion of relativity of chronotropy and the fact that clocks 
reciprocally beat less quickly elsewhere, but who forgets the principle of 
anisochrony attached, i.e. what you see is present time, not the "distant 
past", leads to nonsense
(the apparent velocities are no longer covariant in Einstein, which is 
absurd, and relativists do not know what a real relativistic space-zoom 
effect is: elasticity of lengths and distances) and to falsehoods (the 
proper times of accelerated objects are very far from what is predicted 
with the current SR) and to childish concepts (in the same reference 
frame, the observed accelerated relativistic objects do not have the same 
speed depending on the POSITION of the observer who is looking at them, 
and this is going to be immensely difficult for physicists to understand).

R.H. 

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#595674

On Saturday, 19 November 2022 at 11:05:33 UTC+1, Richard Hachel wrote:

> The theory of relativity, as understood now, i.e. who affirms, like me, 
> the notion of relativity of chronotropy and the fact that clocks 
> reciprocally beat less quickly elsewhere, 

It's not any fact, it's just some assertion of 
some religious maniacs.

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#595690

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:05:33 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
> Le 19/11/2022 à 04:56, JanPB a écrit : 
> 
> > Dream on. The only way to contradict relativity today is by experiment, 
> > not by "concepts". 
> 
> > -- 
> > Jan
> No, you can contradict a theory without needing the experience if the 
> theory is contradictory or absurd. 

Relativity is as contradictory as is Euclidean geometry.  And "absurd" is
just poetry. You need to try harder than that.

> You don't need an experiment to prove it. 

We know now that experiment is the only way to disprove relativity.

The rest of your post is just a frustrated poet's fantasies again.

--
Jan

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#595692

Le 19/11/2022 à 21:29, JanPB a écrit :

> frustrated 

 No, not realy. 

> Jan

 R.H. 

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#595694

On Saturday, 19 November 2022 at 21:29:42 UTC+1, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 2:05:33 AM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote: 
> > Le 19/11/2022 à 04:56, JanPB a écrit : 
> > 
> > > Dream on. The only way to contradict relativity today is by experiment, 
> > > not by "concepts". 
> > 
> > > -- 
> > > Jan 
> > No, you can contradict a theory without needing the experience if the 
> > theory is contradictory or absurd.
> Relativity is as contradictory as is Euclidean geometry.

And poor idiot Jan is a queen of England.

> We know now that experiment is the only way to disprove relativity. 

And we know poor idiot Jan is a queen of England.

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#595776

JanPB wrote:

> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 4:16:42 PM UTC-8, Richard Hachel wrote:
>> It requires only a little theoretical and experimental correction,
>> because of the ignorance that people have of the notion of spatial
>> anisotropy.
> 
> There is no "people ignorance". You simply don't understand the theory
> and for some reason you blame your ignorance on others. It's a
> personality defect.

you undrestand it even less. Amazing the stupid you people are, with the 
nazis. Fucked up in your ass, by them, then you still love the nazis. Your 
deepen corrupt oligarch regime, loves the nazis. I doubt the people are 
loving them. You are starting a war in your country, you fucking idiot. 
For the sake of the cacapitalist oligarch nazis.

 ‘All the real skinheads went to Ukraine’: An American Neo-Nazi outlines 
the crimes of his Ukrainian ‘colleagues’
https://%72%74.com/news/566826-western-neo-nazi-exposes-reality/

 Kent ‘Boneface’ McLellan says that Americans are being misinformed about 
the Ukraine conflict and they are led to believe 'Russia decides to bomb 
the f**k out of places for no reason'
‘All the real skinheads went to Ukraine’: An American Neo-Nazi outlines 
the crimes of his Ukrainian ‘colleagues’

“In case the world wonders what happened to all the real skinheads. They 
all went to Ukraine,” McLellan said.

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#595781

Andy Peterson wrote:

> On 11/20/2022 10:58 AM, Jules Scotti wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>>> There is no "people ignorance". You simply don't understand the theory
>>> and for some reason you blame your ignorance on others. It's a
>>> personality defect.
>> 
>> you undrestand it even less. Amazing the stupid you people are, with
>> the
> 
> Learn how to spell 'understand', idiot.

suck my dick, you irrelevant bitch.

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#595850

Andy Peterson wrote:

>> nazis. Fucked up in your ass, by them, then you still love the nazis.
>> Your
> 
> Nazis should be capitalized, idiot.

only modrafaka gay wankers are capitalizing nazis. Ask them come, to fuck 
your ass, badly.

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#595659

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 4:05:15 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> As simple as that. Only serves as a place for comforting each other and crying because relativity is death. 
> 
> Actually, relativity was never a real thing. Just a dream about some impossible physics, now boring and obsolete.

A frustrated man's tantrum.

--
Jan

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#595661

Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> As simple as that. Only serves as a place for comforting each other and crying because relativity is death.
> 
> Actually, relativity was never a real thing. Just a dream about some impossible physics, now boring and obsolete.


I'd be screaming too if I lived in Argentina with their 100 percent
Inflation rate! I heard someone bought a single jar of peanut butter and
had to made monthly payents on it.


How many monthly installments on a dozen eggs?






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#595680

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:09:00 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
<snip>

> I'd be screaming too if I lived in Argentina with their 100 percent 
> Inflation rate! I heard someone bought a single jar of peanut butter and 
> had to made monthly payents on it. 
> 
> 
> How many monthly installments on a dozen eggs? 

I know that's very difficult for any person living outside Argentina to understand how to live with very high inflation rates.

But we have lived for nearly 70 years under such context, except during 1992-2001, when we pegged the $ARG to the USD (1 to 1).
Such neocon experiment produced a SINGULAR behavior of the entire economy: We TRANSLATED the inflation rate to USD pricing,
so services, houses, cars, etc., experimented an increase of 140% during that period (in USD).

Any "developed" country's accountant couldn't survive in Argentina, because inflation IS A NATIONAL SPORT. We even export 
specialists in finance to MANY countries, where people are appalled by just a 10% annual CPI increase.

What nobody gets easily is the following:

1) Argentina's monetary system has been dual for more than 50 years: USD are used here as "reserve value", which is treasured by
people and held in safe boxes, into the houses or in bank's accounts in Uruguay, USA or caribean banks. Meanwhile, ´people read
any value in $ARG and, automatically, translate it to USD. That's a MENTAL ANCHOR, which prevents people to become crazy.

2) Marking a stark difference with ANY other country, Argentina's labor workforce is highly unionized. We have more than 1,500
different unions which, either together or separately, negotiate salary increases up to three times a year.

 Then, a race between salary increases and inflation is permanent (sometimes salary wins, sometimes inflation wins).

This doesn't happen in YOUR country or in any European "developed" country. How are you doing with your inflation rate? Can you
pay all your bills?. Bitching because of gas or grocery increases?

We don't. I remember that buying a coffee at a bar in 1981 costed me 1 USD. And this price barely changed for the next 41 years.
Same with car's gas (1 USD/liter:: 4 USD/gallon, steady for 40 years). Or 3USD for 1 Kg chicken's breast.

If you want a fair comparison, our prices and average salaries are the same as in Russia today. Ukraine 2022 is a disaster, because
almost all services and food DOUBLED the price in just 8 months (because of the war and heavy debts).

People here are mostly happy, even when 30% lower class lives on welfare (it always was, as IN YOUR COUNTRY).

As Argentina is one of the US bitches, we even plagiarized YOUR Constitution and state organization, 160 years ago. We had our
Trumps and Bidens, which alternate in power.

And we DESPISE RELATIVITY. We have our own model of REAL WORLD, and you live in a fucking fantasy land that will implode soon.

And you don't have enough food or energy for 320 million people.

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#595691

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 4:52:45 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> And we DESPISE RELATIVITY. We have our own model of REAL WORLD, and you live in a fucking fantasy land that will implode soon.

Relativity will never go away, just like Newton's and Maxwell's theories.
It's actually a very good theory.

--
Jan

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#595695

On Saturday, 19 November 2022 at 21:31:03 UTC+1, JanPB wrote:
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 4:52:45 AM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > 
> > And we DESPISE RELATIVITY. We have our own model of REAL WORLD, and you live in a fucking fantasy land that will implode soon.
> Relativity will never go away, 

And poor idiot Jan is a queen of England.

> just like Newton's and Maxwell's theories. 
> It's actually a very good theory. 

Buhahahahahaha.

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#595696

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:31:03 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote:

<snip>

> Relativity will never go away, just like Newton's and Maxwell's theories. 
> It's actually a very good theory. 

Relativity is to physics what roman numbers are to mathematics. Both didn't contribute in anything to development
of SMET in the last 100 years, yet looked pretty fancy in Hollywood movies introduction (year), and just that.

Both share Hollywood as the main user.

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#595760 — Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:

> Relativity is to physics what roman numbers are to mathematics. 

You are still having wet dreams at your age, Dick. 

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#595761 — Re: Cretin Dick Hertz keeps having wet dreams

On 2022-11-20 14:33:59 +0000, Dono. said:

> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:57:25 PM UTC-8, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
>> Relativity is to physics what roman numbers are to mathematics.
> 
> You are still having wet dreams at your age, Dick.

Maybe Argentinian physics is still in the 19th century (though I doubt 
it), but Chile is another story: "Chile: observatorio nacional 
participa en confirmación de la teoría de la relatividad de Einstein" 
(https://www.fayerwayer.com/2020/04/chile-observatorio-relatividad-einstein/) 


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living mainly in England until 1987.

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