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  Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-14 22:53 -0700
    Re: Standard clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-06-15 10:46 -0500
      Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-15 09:32 -0700
        Re: Standard clocks "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 10:57 -0700
          Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 12:15 -0700
            Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-16 22:58 +0200
              Re: Standard clocks "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 17:33 -0700
                Re: Standard clocks rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 18:08 -0700
                  Re: Standard clocks "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 18:13 -0700
        Re: Standard clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-06-16 16:11 -0500
          Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-16 22:22 -0700
            Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-17 10:36 +0200
              Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-17 02:52 -0700
      Re: Standard clocks Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-06-21 06:51 -0700
        Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-21 07:02 -0700
        Re: Standard clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-06-21 11:04 -0500
          Re: Standard clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-21 10:04 -0700
          Re: Standard clocks whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-06-21 13:25 -0500
            Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-21 11:38 -0700
          Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-21 11:28 -0700
            Re: Standard clocks Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-06-21 15:16 -0500
              Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-21 23:29 -0700
          Re: Standard clocks Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-06-22 04:41 -0700
        Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-21 22:36 +0200
          Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-21 23:18 -0700
            Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-24 11:36 +0200
              Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-24 05:05 -0700
                Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-24 20:07 +0200
                  Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-24 11:26 -0700
          Re: Standard clocks Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 05:11 -0700
            Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 06:04 -0700
              Re: Standard clocks Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-06-25 07:40 -0700
                Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 08:00 -0700
                  Re: Standard clocks Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-26 01:37 -0400
                    Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 22:52 -0700
            Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-25 20:09 +0200
              Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 11:54 -0700
                Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-25 22:36 +0200
                  Re: Standard clocks Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-06-25 18:14 -0400
                    Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 22:35 -0700
                    Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-26 11:22 +0200
                      Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-26 03:10 -0700
                        Re: Standard clocks nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-26 14:09 +0200
                          Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-26 06:06 -0700
                  Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-25 22:28 -0700
    Re: Standard clocks The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-15 15:05 -0700
      Re: Standard clocks Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-15 22:13 -0700

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#587578

Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 6/25/2022 4:36 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 20:09:35 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >>
> >>>> That's why they made the wrong assumption that a clock second IN ANY
> >>>> FRAME REPRESENTS A CONSTANT AMOUNT OF TIME (ABSOLUTE TIME).
> >>> The CGPM cannot make 'wrong' decisions. [1]
> >>
> >> Samely as comerade Lenin.
> > 
> > Correct. Setting units of weight and measure
> > has always been a core business of states,
> > from the earliest times, when states were invented, onwards.
> > Originally by kings, some 5000 years ago.
> > 
> > Nowadays, with the adoption of the metric system,
> > it has become a collective of states,
> > that have agreed to common standards, by treaty.
> > What the state's representatives decide at a CGPM
> > automatically becomes the law of the land,
> > at least on most of the planet.
> > 
> > You will no longer be executed for using false measure,
> > like in those good old times,
> > but you can certainly be punished for it,
> > 
> Yes.
> 
> Comrade Lenin likely took Russia from some old Russian units of length,
> mass and time to the modern metric units, as was his right as dictator
> of the USSR.

Not quite. Czar Peter the Great had already modernised Russian units
by decreeing that British imperial units should be used.
(he was keen on opening Russia to the West, and on promoting trade)

Russia was metricated in 1925,
on order of the Council of People's Commissars.
Lenin was merely chairman of that Council.
Other notable members were Trotsky and Stalin.
The Soviet Union didn't become a full-fledged dictatorship
until a decade later, under Stalin.

> He did update time, changing the calendar from Julian to 
> the Gregorian calendar, which is why the anniversary of the October 
> Revolution was celebrated in November.

That was long overdue.
And it certainly was not Lenin by himself who did it.

> Probably in every single country, in 1967 or not long after, there's 
> some obscure piece of legislation or proclamation, mentioning the 
> second, cesium, and the number 9,192,631,770. Even in Poland, despite
> the screams of some janitor, which were ignored, of course.

Yes, in quite practical things.
All measuring instruments used for purposes of trade
need to be calibrated.
(and have a sticker or mark on them to prove it)
A tape rule that you buy in a DIY store will probably have
'not for purposes of trade' printed on it,
so you cannot legally use it to sell cloth by the meter.

If our Polish fried ever takes a taxi cab it will have a meter
that is certified to read in correct seconds.
(derived from a cesium clock, within an acceptable tolerance)

Jan

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#587581

On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 11:22:46 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> If our Polish fried ever takes a taxi cab it will have a meter 
> that is certified to read in correct seconds. 
> (derived from a cesium clock, within an acceptable tolerance) 

Sorry, poor halfbrain, sane people have different
ways to derive a second and you're enchanting the
reality, together with your fellow idiots.

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#587583

Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 11:22:46 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> > If our Polish fried ever takes a taxi cab it will have a meter 
> > that is certified to read in correct seconds. 
> > (derived from a cesium clock, within an acceptable tolerance) 
> 
> Sorry, poor halfbrain, sane people have different
> ways to derive a second and you're enchanting the
> reality, together with your fellow idiots.

Now you have me curious:
How do you 'enchant a reality'?

Please be specific,

Jan

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#587584

On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 14:10:02 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > On Sunday, 26 June 2022 at 11:22:46 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > 
> > > If our Polish fried ever takes a taxi cab it will have a meter 
> > > that is certified to read in correct seconds. 
> > > (derived from a cesium clock, within an acceptable tolerance) 
> > 
> > Sorry, poor halfbrain, sane people have different 
> > ways to derive a second and you're enchanting the 
> > reality, together with your fellow idiots.
> Now you have me curious: 
> How do you 'enchant a reality'? 

You enchant the reality by announcing and
pretending that  9,192,631,774 clocks of GPS
are perfectly matching and obeying your
 9,192,631,770 ISO nonsense. Or (like stupid
Mike) by announcing and pretending that
clocks set to ISO   9,192,631,770 are in an 
obvious  "Newton  mode". Or (from other
tales) that priests of Jesus are always 
modest and poor, that all the communists
are just humple servants of working people
and so on.

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#587570

On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 22:36:28 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak <maluw...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > On Saturday, 25 June 2022 at 20:09:35 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > 
> > > > That's why they made the wrong assumption that a clock second IN ANY FRAME 
> > > > REPRESENTS A CONSTANT AMOUNT OF TIME (ABSOLUTE TIME). 
> > > The CGPM cannot make 'wrong' decisions. [1] 
> > 
> > Samely as comerade Lenin.
> Correct. Setting units of weight and measure 
> has always been a core business of states, 
> from the earliest times, when states were invented, onwards. 
> Originally by kings, some 5000 years ago. 

Of states, kings and alike. Not of insane religious gurus
discovering imagined Great Mystical Essence of the Core.
You may keep announcing how proper clocks should work 
-  GPS crew didn't share your madness,  game over.

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#587018

Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> 
> We have 3 (partially dependent, partially not)
> timekeeping systems of importance; TAI, UTC,
> GPS. Do you get it?
> 
> None of them is applying the clocks of your
> wannabe standard. Do you get it?
> 
> Common sense was warning your idiot guru.
> And all of you.

In Albert Einstein's days...a Cuukoo Clock was the standard clock.

(if you know anything about clocks and the kind Einstein used to clock
choo-choo trains.)

but i don't expect anyone here to know dat because yoss had a textbook
teacher brainwash yous.


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#587030

On Thursday, 16 June 2022 at 00:04:53 UTC+2, The Starmaker wrote:
> Maciej Wozniak wrote: 
> > 
> > We have 3 (partially dependent, partially not) 
> > timekeeping systems of importance; TAI, UTC, 
> > GPS. Do you get it? 
> > 
> > None of them is applying the clocks of your 
> > wannabe standard. Do you get it? 
> > 
> > Common sense was warning your idiot guru. 
> > And all of you.
> In Albert Einstein's days...a Cuukoo Clock was the standard clock. 

And 1/24/60/60 of a day was a standard second.
It is still. New standard, announced in 1968 to make
The Shit less inconsistent-  is ignored by all timekeeping 
systems we have.

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