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  What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-29 23:27 -0700
    Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-05-30 10:17 +0200
      Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 12:10 -0700
        Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-05-30 22:25 +0200
          Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 20:59 -0700
        Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-31 13:35 +0300
        Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-07-02 22:42 +1000
          Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-07-02 10:24 -0700
            Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-07-04 18:45 -0700
              Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-07-05 10:22 +0200
                Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-07-05 01:47 -0700
      Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-31 13:28 +0300
        Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-05-31 13:41 +0200
          Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-31 10:07 -0700
            Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-05 16:12 -0700
              Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-06-30 03:23 -0700
                Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-06-30 12:26 -0700
              Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-06-30 03:27 -0700
                Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-06-30 14:50 -0500
                  Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-07-01 13:55 -0700
                    Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-07-01 18:04 -0700
          Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 11:05 -0700
        Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-05-31 07:49 -0700
    Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-30 11:12 -0700
      Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 12:11 -0700
        Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-30 12:36 -0700
          Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 12:38 -0700
            Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-05-30 12:57 -0700
          Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-31 10:38 -0700
            Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-01 21:52 -0700
              Re: What does gravity do to wobble the Earth? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-06-03 15:27 -0700

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#586120 — What does gravity do to wobble the Earth?

How does solar gravity do it?
And why do all objects not wobble?

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#586124

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> How does solar gravity do it?
> And why do all objects not wobble?

See any textbook on it, ever since Newton.
But you are lazy, so you ask us.

The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid.
The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun)
is smaller than the pull on the near bulge,
hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession
as with any top.
Newton already calculated the correct answer,

Jan

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#586143

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:17:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > How does solar gravity do it? 
> > And why do all objects not wobble?
> See any textbook on it, ever since Newton. 
> But you are lazy, so you ask us. 
> 
> The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid. 
> The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun) 
> is smaller than the pull on the near bulge, 

Look at fall jan it is equal.
Tides are not from gravity affecting the axis.

> hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession 
> as with any top. 
> Newton already calculated the correct answer, 

> 
> Jan

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#586154

mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:17:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > > How does solar gravity do it? 
> > > And why do all objects not wobble?
> > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton. 
> > But you are lazy, so you ask us. 
> > 
> > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid.
> > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun) 
> > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge, 
> 
> Look at fall jan it is equal.
> Tides are not from gravity affecting the axis.

OK, so that is another thing you don't understand.

Jan

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#586183

On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:26:00 PM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:17:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > How does solar gravity do it? 
> > > > And why do all objects not wobble? 
> > > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton. 
> > > But you are lazy, so you ask us. 
> > > 
> > > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid. 
> > > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun) 
> > > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge, 
> > 
> > Look at fall jan it is equal. 
> > Tides are not from gravity affecting the axis.
> OK, so that is another thing you don't understand. 

Gravity cannot pull on both sides of the axis because
it would be opposite pull. That does not work jan.

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#586203

On 2022-05-30 19:10:16 +0000, mitchr...@gmail.com said:

> Tides are not from gravity affecting the axis.

Tides are another consequnce of gravity, mainly Moon's.
Not on axis but on water. Mainly where Moon pulls water
in one way but shores stop it. Far from shores tides
are smaller and harder to observe.

Mikko

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#587828

On 31-May-22 5:10 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:17:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How does solar gravity do it?
>>> And why do all objects not wobble?
>> See any textbook on it, ever since Newton.
>> But you are lazy, so you ask us.
>>
>> The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid.
>> The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun)
>> is smaller than the pull on the near bulge,
> 
> Look at fall jan it is equal.
> Tides are not from gravity affecting the axis.
> 

Trolling as usual. Have you forgotten that you mistakenly occasionally 
write in ordinary English?

Sylvia.

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#587839

On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 5:42:36 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 31-May-22 5:10 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 1:17:11 AM UTC-7, J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> >> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> How does solar gravity do it? 
> >>> And why do all objects not wobble? 
> >> See any textbook on it, ever since Newton. 
> >> But you are lazy, so you ask us. 
> >> 
> >> The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid. 
> >> The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun) 
> >> is smaller than the pull on the near bulge, 
> > 
> > Look at fall jan it is equal. 
> > Tides are not from gravity affecting the axis. 
> >
> Trolling as usual. Have you forgotten that you mistakenly occasionally 
> write in ordinary English? 
> 
> Sylvia.

The axis points both toward and away. Gravity would tug
the axis in both directions. That is impossible.
Wobble does not exist.


Mitchell Raemsch

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#587951

On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

> The axis points both toward and away. Gravity would tug 
> the axis in both directions. That is impossible. 
> Wobble does not exist. 

And yet, Mitch, the poles wander around with a period of about 26,000 years... so apparently, it is possible after all...

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#587968

Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > The axis points both toward and away. Gravity would tug 
> > the axis in both directions. That is impossible. 
> > Wobble does not exist. 
> 
> And yet, Mitch, the poles wander around with a period of about 26,000
> years... so apparently, it is possible after all...

And we know from accurate Babylonian and Egyptian records
that the pole has been doing that for at least 4500 years,
so for all of recorded history,

Jan

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#587970

On Tuesday, 5 July 2022 at 10:22:07 UTC+2, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Paul Alsing <pnal...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> > On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 10:24:20 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > 
> > > The axis points both toward and away. Gravity would tug 
> > > the axis in both directions. That is impossible. 
> > > Wobble does not exist. 
> > 
> > And yet, Mitch, the poles wander around with a period of about 26,000 
> > years... so apparently, it is possible after all...
> And we know from accurate Babylonian and Egyptian records 
> that the pole has been doing that for at least 4500 years, 

But did the Babylonian and Egyptians consider the velocity of 
your frame of reference as it was 4500 years ago?
You know, you could be travelling at 0.99c that time, why
not.

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#586202

On 2022-05-30 08:17:09 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> How does solar gravity do it?
>> And why do all objects not wobble?
> 
> See any textbook on it, ever since Newton.
> But you are lazy, so you ask us.
> 
> The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid.
> The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun)
> is smaller than the pull on the near bulge,
> hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession
> as with any top.

Not only Sun but also Moon pulls the near side more than the far side.
Althought the force by Moon is smaller than the force by Sun, the
difference between near and and far sides is greater by Moon than
by Sun. Therefore Moon's contribution to the precession is greater
than Sun's. In addition, Moon, unlike Sun, is not always on Ecliptic,
making the inclination of the plane of Equator vary. For the motion
of North Pole this means that North Pole is not moving along a circle
but moves sometimes to one side and other times to the other side of
that circle.

Mikko

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#586204

Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:

> On 2022-05-30 08:17:09 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> 
> > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> How does solar gravity do it?
> >> And why do all objects not wobble?
> > 
> > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton.
> > But you are lazy, so you ask us.
> > 
> > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid.
> > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun)
> > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge,
> > hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession
> > as with any top.
> 
> Not only Sun but also Moon pulls the near side more than the far side.
> Althought the force by Moon is smaller than the force by Sun, the
> difference between near and and far sides is greater by Moon than
> by Sun. Therefore Moon's contribution to the precession is greater
> than Sun's. In addition, Moon, unlike Sun, is not always on Ecliptic,
> making the inclination of the plane of Equator vary. For the motion
> of North Pole this means that North Pole is not moving along a circle
> but moves sometimes to one side and other times to the other side of
> that circle.

Yes, of course, but poor mitchr... is already incapable
of understanding it for the idealised case of only the sun pulling,
(as happens for Venus)

Jan

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#586218

J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
> 
> > On 2022-05-30 08:17:09 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> >
> > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> How does solar gravity do it?
> > >> And why do all objects not wobble?
> > >
> > > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton.
> > > But you are lazy, so you ask us.
> > >
> > > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid.
> > > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun)
> > > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge,
> > > hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession
> > > as with any top.
> >
> > Not only Sun but also Moon pulls the near side more than the far side.
> > Althought the force by Moon is smaller than the force by Sun, the
> > difference between near and and far sides is greater by Moon than
> > by Sun. Therefore Moon's contribution to the precession is greater
> > than Sun's. In addition, Moon, unlike Sun, is not always on Ecliptic,
> > making the inclination of the plane of Equator vary. For the motion
> > of North Pole this means that North Pole is not moving along a circle
> > but moves sometimes to one side and other times to the other side of
> > that circle.
> 
> Yes, of course, but poor mitchr... is already incapable
> of understanding it for the idealised case of only the sun pulling,
> (as happens for Venus)
> 
> Jan

Venus? Did you know Jan there is life on planet Venus?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#586487

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >
> > Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-05-30 08:17:09 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
> > >
> > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> How does solar gravity do it?
> > > >> And why do all objects not wobble?
> > > >
> > > > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton.
> > > > But you are lazy, so you ask us.
> > > >
> > > > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid.
> > > > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun)
> > > > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge,
> > > > hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession
> > > > as with any top.
> > >
> > > Not only Sun but also Moon pulls the near side more than the far side.
> > > Althought the force by Moon is smaller than the force by Sun, the
> > > difference between near and and far sides is greater by Moon than
> > > by Sun. Therefore Moon's contribution to the precession is greater
> > > than Sun's. In addition, Moon, unlike Sun, is not always on Ecliptic,
> > > making the inclination of the plane of Equator vary. For the motion
> > > of North Pole this means that North Pole is not moving along a circle
> > > but moves sometimes to one side and other times to the other side of
> > > that circle.
> >
> > Yes, of course, but poor mitchr... is already incapable
> > of understanding it for the idealised case of only the sun pulling,
> > (as happens for Venus)
> >
> > Jan
> 
> Venus? Did you know Jan there is life on planet Venus?

Now, one needs to get out of the box to understand
how there is life in Venus.

Finding life on other planets requires a very simple process.

Using just ...Colors.

The primary colors of light is red, blue and green.

The primary colors on earth is red, blue and Yellow.

You have in fact two Primary Colors. One for Earth, and one for
everywhere else.


To search for life like that on Earth, you simply need to follow
earth primary colors, red, blue and Yellow.


So looking with a telescope from outer space
you need to find three planets that are next to each other that
are red, blue and Yellow. (the primary colors of earth, and life on a
planet)


Venus is Yellow.
next to venus is mars, Red...

and
you
got
Blue.

All three planets
are next to each other.
red, yellow and blue.


If you find planets anywhere else in
the universe, just look
for 3 planets that are together with the colors
 red, blue and Yellow.










-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#587712

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:11:32 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Mikko <mikko....@iki.fi> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > On 2022-05-30 08:17:09 +0000, J. J. Lodder said: 
> > > > 
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > >> How does solar gravity do it? 
> > > > >> And why do all objects not wobble? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton. 
> > > > > But you are lazy, so you ask us. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid. 
> > > > > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun) 
> > > > > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge, 
> > > > > hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession 
> > > > > as with any top. 
> > > > 
> > > > Not only Sun but also Moon pulls the near side more than the far side. 
> > > > Althought the force by Moon is smaller than the force by Sun, the 
> > > > difference between near and and far sides is greater by Moon than 
> > > > by Sun. Therefore Moon's contribution to the precession is greater 
> > > > than Sun's. In addition, Moon, unlike Sun, is not always on Ecliptic, 
> > > > making the inclination of the plane of Equator vary. For the motion 
> > > > of North Pole this means that North Pole is not moving along a circle 
> > > > but moves sometimes to one side and other times to the other side of 
> > > > that circle. 
> > > 
> > > Yes, of course, but poor mitchr... is already incapable 
> > > of understanding it for the idealised case of only the sun pulling, 
> > > (as happens for Venus) 
> > > 
> > > Jan 
> > 
> > Venus? Did you know Jan there is life on planet Venus?
> Now, one needs to get out of the box to understand 
> how there is life in Venus. 
> 
> Finding life on other planets requires a very simple process. 
> 
> Using just ...Colors. 
> 
> The primary colors of light is red, blue and green. 
> 
> The primary colors on earth is red, blue and Yellow. 
> 
> You have in fact two Primary Colors. One for Earth, and one for 
> everywhere else. 
> 
> 
> To search for life like that on Earth, you simply need to follow 
> earth primary colors, red, blue and Yellow. 
> 
> 
> So looking with a telescope from outer space 
> you need to find three planets that are next to each other that 
> are red, blue and Yellow. (the primary colors of earth, and life on a 
> planet) 
> 
> 
> Venus is Yellow. 
> next to venus is mars, Red... 
> 
> and 
> you 
> got 
> Blue. 
> 
> All three planets 
> are next to each other. 
> red, yellow and blue. 
> 
> 
> If you find planets anywhere else in 
> the universe, just look 
> for 3 planets that are together with the colors 
> red, blue and Yellow.
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.

Blah blah blah, all Mitch, blah blah.

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#587719

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 3:24:02 AM UTC-7, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:11:32 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: 
> > The Starmaker wrote: 
> > > 
> > > J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > Mikko <mikko....@iki.fi> wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > > On 2022-05-30 08:17:09 +0000, J. J. Lodder said: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >> How does solar gravity do it? 
> > > > > >> And why do all objects not wobble? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton. 
> > > > > > But you are lazy, so you ask us. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid. 
> > > > > > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun) 
> > > > > > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge, 
> > > > > > hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession 
> > > > > > as with any top. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Not only Sun but also Moon pulls the near side more than the far side. 
> > > > > Althought the force by Moon is smaller than the force by Sun, the 
> > > > > difference between near and and far sides is greater by Moon than 
> > > > > by Sun. Therefore Moon's contribution to the precession is greater 
> > > > > than Sun's. In addition, Moon, unlike Sun, is not always on Ecliptic, 
> > > > > making the inclination of the plane of Equator vary. For the motion 
> > > > > of North Pole this means that North Pole is not moving along a circle 
> > > > > but moves sometimes to one side and other times to the other side of 
> > > > > that circle. 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, of course, but poor mitchr... is already incapable 
> > > > of understanding it for the idealised case of only the sun pulling, 
> > > > (as happens for Venus) 
> > > > 
> > > > Jan 
> > > 
> > > Venus? Did you know Jan there is life on planet Venus? 
> > Now, one needs to get out of the box to understand 
> > how there is life in Venus. 
> > 
> > Finding life on other planets requires a very simple process. 
> > 
> > Using just ...Colors. 
> > 
> > The primary colors of light is red, blue and green. 
> > 
> > The primary colors on earth is red, blue and Yellow. 
> > 
> > You have in fact two Primary Colors. One for Earth, and one for 
> > everywhere else. 
> > 
> > 
> > To search for life like that on Earth, you simply need to follow 
> > earth primary colors, red, blue and Yellow. 
> > 
> > 
> > So looking with a telescope from outer space 
> > you need to find three planets that are next to each other that 
> > are red, blue and Yellow. (the primary colors of earth, and life on a 
> > planet) 
> > 
> > 
> > Venus is Yellow. 
> > next to venus is mars, Red... 
> > 
> > and 
> > you 
> > got 
> > Blue. 
> > 
> > All three planets 
> > are next to each other. 
> > red, yellow and blue. 
> > 
> > 
> > If you find planets anywhere else in 
> > the universe, just look 
> > for 3 planets that are together with the colors 
> > red, blue and Yellow. 
> > -- 
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> > and challenge 
> > the unchallengeable.
> Blah blah blah, all Mitch, blah blah.

What was that ross?
How does gravity pull on the axis that points both ways?
every exist points toward and away at the same time...
how does gravity influence that ross?

Mitchell Raemsch

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#587713

On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:11:32 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote: 
> > 
> > J. J. Lodder wrote: 
> > > 
> > > Mikko <mikko....@iki.fi> wrote: 
> > > 
> > > > On 2022-05-30 08:17:09 +0000, J. J. Lodder said: 
> > > > 
> > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > >> How does solar gravity do it? 
> > > > >> And why do all objects not wobble? 
> > > > > 
> > > > > See any textbook on it, ever since Newton. 
> > > > > But you are lazy, so you ask us. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The sun pulls on the Earth, and the Earth is flattened, an ellipsoid. 
> > > > > The pull on the far bulge (as seen from the sun) 
> > > > > is smaller than the pull on the near bulge, 
> > > > > hence there is a net torque, hence there is a precession 
> > > > > as with any top. 
> > > > 
> > > > Not only Sun but also Moon pulls the near side more than the far side. 
> > > > Althought the force by Moon is smaller than the force by Sun, the 
> > > > difference between near and and far sides is greater by Moon than 
> > > > by Sun. Therefore Moon's contribution to the precession is greater 
> > > > than Sun's. In addition, Moon, unlike Sun, is not always on Ecliptic, 
> > > > making the inclination of the plane of Equator vary. For the motion 
> > > > of North Pole this means that North Pole is not moving along a circle 
> > > > but moves sometimes to one side and other times to the other side of 
> > > > that circle. 
> > > 
> > > Yes, of course, but poor mitchr... is already incapable 
> > > of understanding it for the idealised case of only the sun pulling, 
> > > (as happens for Venus) 
> > > 
> > > Jan 
> > 
> > Venus? Did you know Jan there is life on planet Venus?
> Now, one needs to get out of the box to understand 
> how there is life in Venus. 
> 
> Finding life on other planets requires a very simple process. 
> 
> Using just ...Colors. 
> 
> The primary colors of light is red, blue and green. 
> 
> The primary colors on earth is red, blue and Yellow. 
> 
> You have in fact two Primary Colors. One for Earth, and one for 
> everywhere else. 
> 
> 
> To search for life like that on Earth, you simply need to follow 
> earth primary colors, red, blue and Yellow. 
> 
> 
> So looking with a telescope from outer space 
> you need to find three planets that are next to each other that 
> are red, blue and Yellow. (the primary colors of earth, and life on a 
> planet) 
> 
> 
> Venus is Yellow. 
> next to venus is mars, Red... 
> 
> and 
> you 
> got 
> Blue. 
> 
> All three planets 
> are next to each other. 
> red, yellow and blue. 
> 
> 
> If you find planets anywhere else in 
> the universe, just look 
> for 3 planets that are together with the colors 
> red, blue and Yellow.
> -- 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, 
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
> and challenge 
> the unchallengeable.

The, ..., wheel-less, bicycle.

Still movable.

"It all", or, "this all".

Are different, ....

The word "different" actually takes about 10 letters.

"A sword, or some other article of my sport."

"You thought it was a troll's game but I got the last word."

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#587721

On 6/30/2022 5:27 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote:

[...]

> "You thought it was a troll's game but I got the last word."

Does this statement actually mean anything? Please, s'plain.

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#587792

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 12:50:21 PM UTC-7, whodat wrote:
> On 6/30/2022 5:27 AM, Ross A. Finlayson wrote: 
> 
> [...]
> > "You thought it was a troll's game but I got the last word."
> Does this statement actually mean anything? Please, s'plain.

It reflects my sense of digust.  Which passed, but the 
point is that in a larger conversation, I'm very proud that 
basically "my opinion" has held up more strongly, than, 
for example, the textbook opinion and the convetional wisdom.

Not that it doesn't include textbook wisdom, still there is 
that in mathematics after its philosophy, and foundations 
after physics, both, it was always easy for me to hold up 
being labelled a troll, and for how I formalized a new continuity, 
which is very much most classical, and also since modern.

So, it reflects my disgust while still strongly pretty 
much that mathematics _owes_ physics, its source.

And that it results a "fall gravity" is, pretty much final.

I'm not mostly disgusted but that's the edge of my disgust.

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