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| First post | 2022-05-20 00:12 -0700 |
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GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-20 00:12 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-20 11:54 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-20 12:16 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-21 10:38 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-21 10:44 -0700
Re: GTR "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-05-21 12:04 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-23 20:37 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-23 21:08 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-23 21:30 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-23 22:34 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-24 22:00 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-26 10:05 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-26 10:12 -0700
Re: GTR whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-26 12:49 -0500
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-26 11:23 -0700
Re: GTR whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-26 16:27 -0500
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-26 18:12 -0700
Re: GTR whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-27 00:06 -0500
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-26 22:17 -0700
Re: GTR whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-27 12:11 -0500
Re: GTR Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-26 12:28 -0700
Re: GTR The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-05-23 10:10 -0700
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-20 00:12 -0700 |
| Subject | GTR |
| Message-ID | <62873F75.7968@ix.netcom.com> |
What does GTR stand for? It stands for General Theory of Relativity. There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity... it's all about Gravity, and the problem is, if you look out there there is no Gravity. Gravity is just a theory. Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. There is no Gravity out there. The Sun has no Gravity The Earth has no Gravity The Moon has no Gravity There is no Gravity anywhere.. I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. And this thing you call ...arrow of time, where is the bow? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-20 11:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <nmof8hh1kmj8do8rts45rp7g6250btsgk7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #585637 |
On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >What does GTR stand for? >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's >General Theory of Relativity... > >it's all about Gravity, and > >the problem is, >if you look out there >there is no Gravity. > >Gravity is just a theory. > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > >There is no Gravity out there. > >The Sun has no Gravity >The Earth has no Gravity >The Moon has no Gravity > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > >where is the bow? Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. Bow and arrow? dats called logic. Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? Of course not. There is no Gravity. It's just a theory. come on, really...an arrow without a bow is not an arrow. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-20 12:16 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6287E928.28DB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585679 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >What does GTR stand for? > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > >the problem is, > >if you look out there > >there is no Gravity. > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > >The Earth has no Gravity > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > >where is the bow? > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > Of course not. Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-21 10:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6289238B.6957@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585681 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > >the problem is, > > >if you look out there > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > Of course not. > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no gravity..there is no past. If there was a past.. all your photos in your shoebox filled with photos would be empty.. it would be in the past also. But, there is no past. So, all your past photos are still in the shoebox.. in the present, in the now. All those photos are a collection of the past all in the present.. all past are here now. There is no past for them to go. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-21 10:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62892505.7408@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585711 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > >if you look out there > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > gravity..there is no past. > > If there was a past.. > all your photos > in your shoebox > filled with photos > would be empty.. > it would be in the past also. > > But, there is no past. > So, all your past photos > are still in the shoebox.. > in the present, in the now. > > All those photos are > a collection of the past > all in the present.. > all past are here now. > > There is no past for them to go. What about the future? There is no future. Otherwise you would have pictures of the future in your shoebox. "Oh, how cute, is that you when you were a baby?" "Who is this old guy in this picture?" -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-21 12:04 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <615bf4da-6d82-461b-93cf-19a6fdd83f87n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #585712 |
On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > >if you look out there > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > If there was a past.. > > all your photos > > in your shoebox > > filled with photos > > would be empty.. > > it would be in the past also. > > > > But, there is no past. > > So, all your past photos > > are still in the shoebox.. > > in the present, in the now. > > > > All those photos are > > a collection of the past > > all in the present.. > > all past are here now. > > > > There is no past for them to go. > What about the future? > > There is no future. > > Otherwise you would have > pictures of the future in > your shoebox. > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > you when you were a > baby?" > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. The future is yet to happen but always will.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-23 20:37 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628C52E2.49A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585720 |
mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > > >if you look out there > > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > > > If there was a past.. > > > all your photos > > > in your shoebox > > > filled with photos > > > would be empty.. > > > it would be in the past also. > > > > > > But, there is no past. > > > So, all your past photos > > > are still in the shoebox.. > > > in the present, in the now. > > > > > > All those photos are > > > a collection of the past > > > all in the present.. > > > all past are here now. > > > > > > There is no past for them to go. > > What about the future? > > > > There is no future. > > > > Otherwise you would have > > pictures of the future in > > your shoebox. > > > > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > > you when you were a > > baby?" > > > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > > The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. > The future is yet to happen but always will. A fossil is...a picture. Like a picture in a old shoe box. A light makes an impression on film and it is preserved in a shoebox. A fossil like your grandmother. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-23 21:08 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628C5A4C.3380@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585816 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > > > >if you look out there > > > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > > > > > If there was a past.. > > > > all your photos > > > > in your shoebox > > > > filled with photos > > > > would be empty.. > > > > it would be in the past also. > > > > > > > > But, there is no past. > > > > So, all your past photos > > > > are still in the shoebox.. > > > > in the present, in the now. > > > > > > > > All those photos are > > > > a collection of the past > > > > all in the present.. > > > > all past are here now. > > > > > > > > There is no past for them to go. > > > What about the future? > > > > > > There is no future. > > > > > > Otherwise you would have > > > pictures of the future in > > > your shoebox. > > > > > > > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > > > you when you were a > > > baby?" > > > > > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > > > -- > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > and challenge > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. > > The future is yet to happen but always will. > > A fossil is...a picture. > > Like a picture in a old shoe box. > > A light makes an impression on film and it is preserved in a shoebox. > > A fossil like your grandmother. Fossils are a collection of the past and that past exist in the Now. The fossils do not exist in the past.. they are here, now. They are physical objects that exist Now. Fossils do not exist anywhere else but here in the now. And nothing happens in the future because it is always now. You just imagine what the future would be like.. but that is just fantasy in your mind. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-23 21:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628C5F67.1309@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585820 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > > > > >if you look out there > > > > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > > > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > > > > > > > If there was a past.. > > > > > all your photos > > > > > in your shoebox > > > > > filled with photos > > > > > would be empty.. > > > > > it would be in the past also. > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no past. > > > > > So, all your past photos > > > > > are still in the shoebox.. > > > > > in the present, in the now. > > > > > > > > > > All those photos are > > > > > a collection of the past > > > > > all in the present.. > > > > > all past are here now. > > > > > > > > > > There is no past for them to go. > > > > What about the future? > > > > > > > > There is no future. > > > > > > > > Otherwise you would have > > > > pictures of the future in > > > > your shoebox. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > > > > you when you were a > > > > baby?" > > > > > > > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > > > > -- > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > and challenge > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. > > > The future is yet to happen but always will. > > > > A fossil is...a picture. > > > > Like a picture in a old shoe box. > > > > A light makes an impression on film and it is preserved in a shoebox. > > > > A fossil like your grandmother. > > Fossils > are a > collection > of the past > and that past > exist in the Now. > > The fossils do > not exist in the past.. > they are here, now. > > They are physical > objects > that exist > Now. > > Fossils > do not exist > anywhere else > but here in the now. > > And > nothing happens > in the future because > it is always now. > > You just imagine > what the future > would be like.. > but > that is just > fantasy in your mind. a fossil a billion years ago is just numbers on a clock. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-23 22:34 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628C6E6D.5303@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585825 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > > > > > >if you look out there > > > > > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > > > > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a past.. > > > > > > all your photos > > > > > > in your shoebox > > > > > > filled with photos > > > > > > would be empty.. > > > > > > it would be in the past also. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no past. > > > > > > So, all your past photos > > > > > > are still in the shoebox.. > > > > > > in the present, in the now. > > > > > > > > > > > > All those photos are > > > > > > a collection of the past > > > > > > all in the present.. > > > > > > all past are here now. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no past for them to go. > > > > > What about the future? > > > > > > > > > > There is no future. > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise you would have > > > > > pictures of the future in > > > > > your shoebox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > > > > > you when you were a > > > > > baby?" > > > > > > > > > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > > > > > -- > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > and challenge > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. > > > > The future is yet to happen but always will. > > > > > > A fossil is...a picture. > > > > > > Like a picture in a old shoe box. > > > > > > A light makes an impression on film and it is preserved in a shoebox. > > > > > > A fossil like your grandmother. > > > > Fossils > > are a > > collection > > of the past > > and that past > > exist in the Now. > > > > The fossils do > > not exist in the past.. > > they are here, now. > > > > They are physical > > objects > > that exist > > Now. > > > > Fossils > > do not exist > > anywhere else > > but here in the now. > > > > And > > nothing happens > > in the future because > > it is always now. > > > > You just imagine > > what the future > > would be like.. > > but > > that is just > > fantasy in your mind. > > a fossil > a billion > years ago is > just > numbers on a clock. Let me make it simpler... 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' 'In the beginning, ...' is the point in space and time.. where an event happen, '..created the heavens and the earth.' are two events in points in time, and in space that simultaneously occurred, which is Now. Not the past which is some numbers on your clocks.. but in this frame called Now. The Big Dipper is there Now, you can see it and it is the same age of the universe.. it is not in the past... it exist as a collection of the past included part of Now. Like a photo or fossil (if you will). -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-24 22:00 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628DB7E5.BA8@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585831 |
Take a clock and stare at it. After 5 minutes it would change numbers in minutes from 1-5. Or it would change numbers in seconds from 1-300. After 5 minutes you find yourself still in the Now. stare at it... for days months years and it will continue just changing numbers... and you will find yourself still in the Now. Take a clock and stare at it... a billion years and it will continue just changing numbers... and you still will find yourself in the Now. No past no future just Now. The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > > > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > > > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > > > > > > >if you look out there > > > > > > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > > > > > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a past.. > > > > > > > all your photos > > > > > > > in your shoebox > > > > > > > filled with photos > > > > > > > would be empty.. > > > > > > > it would be in the past also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no past. > > > > > > > So, all your past photos > > > > > > > are still in the shoebox.. > > > > > > > in the present, in the now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All those photos are > > > > > > > a collection of the past > > > > > > > all in the present.. > > > > > > > all past are here now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no past for them to go. > > > > > > What about the future? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no future. > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise you would have > > > > > > pictures of the future in > > > > > > your shoebox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > > > > > > you when you were a > > > > > > baby?" > > > > > > > > > > > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. > > > > > The future is yet to happen but always will. > > > > > > > > A fossil is...a picture. > > > > > > > > Like a picture in a old shoe box. > > > > > > > > A light makes an impression on film and it is preserved in a shoebox. > > > > > > > > A fossil like your grandmother. > > > > > > Fossils > > > are a > > > collection > > > of the past > > > and that past > > > exist in the Now. > > > > > > The fossils do > > > not exist in the past.. > > > they are here, now. > > > > > > They are physical > > > objects > > > that exist > > > Now. > > > > > > Fossils > > > do not exist > > > anywhere else > > > but here in the now. > > > > > > And > > > nothing happens > > > in the future because > > > it is always now. > > > > > > You just imagine > > > what the future > > > would be like.. > > > but > > > that is just > > > fantasy in your mind. > > > > a fossil > > a billion > > years ago is > > just > > numbers on a clock. > > Let me make it simpler... > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > 'In the beginning, ...' is the point in space and time.. > > where an event happen, > > '..created the heavens and the earth.' are two events > in points in time, and in space that simultaneously occurred, > which is Now. > > Not the past > which is some numbers > on your clocks.. > but > in this frame > called Now. > > The Big Dipper > is there Now, > you can see it > and it is the same > age of the universe.. > > it is not > in the past... > > it exist as > a collection > of the past > included part > of Now. > > Like a photo > or fossil (if you will). > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-26 10:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628FB340.1392@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585862 |
Take a clock and stare at it... 14 billion years and it will continue just changing numbers... and you still will find yourself in the Now. No past no future just Now. The past does not exist. There is no fact that the past exist. The future does not exist. There is no fact that the future exist. Time doesn't flow. There is no arrow of time. Time doesn't flow. It doesn't even move. It's still Now! The Starmaker wrote: > > Take a clock > and stare at it. > > After 5 minutes > it would change > numbers in minutes > from 1-5. > > Or it would change > numbers in seconds > from 1-300. > > After 5 minutes > you find yourself > still in the Now. > > stare at it... > for days > months > years > > and it > will > continue > just changing > numbers... > and > you will > find yourself > still in the Now. > > Take a clock > and stare at it... > a billion years > > and it > will > continue > just changing > numbers... > and > you still will > find yourself > in the Now. > > No past > no future > just Now. > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > > > > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > > > > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > > > > > > > >if you look out there > > > > > > > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > > > > > > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a past.. > > > > > > > > all your photos > > > > > > > > in your shoebox > > > > > > > > filled with photos > > > > > > > > would be empty.. > > > > > > > > it would be in the past also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no past. > > > > > > > > So, all your past photos > > > > > > > > are still in the shoebox.. > > > > > > > > in the present, in the now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All those photos are > > > > > > > > a collection of the past > > > > > > > > all in the present.. > > > > > > > > all past are here now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no past for them to go. > > > > > > > What about the future? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise you would have > > > > > > > pictures of the future in > > > > > > > your shoebox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > > > > > > > you when you were a > > > > > > > baby?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. > > > > > > The future is yet to happen but always will. > > > > > > > > > > A fossil is...a picture. > > > > > > > > > > Like a picture in a old shoe box. > > > > > > > > > > A light makes an impression on film and it is preserved in a shoebox. > > > > > > > > > > A fossil like your grandmother. > > > > > > > > Fossils > > > > are a > > > > collection > > > > of the past > > > > and that past > > > > exist in the Now. > > > > > > > > The fossils do > > > > not exist in the past.. > > > > they are here, now. > > > > > > > > They are physical > > > > objects > > > > that exist > > > > Now. > > > > > > > > Fossils > > > > do not exist > > > > anywhere else > > > > but here in the now. > > > > > > > > And > > > > nothing happens > > > > in the future because > > > > it is always now. > > > > > > > > You just imagine > > > > what the future > > > > would be like.. > > > > but > > > > that is just > > > > fantasy in your mind. > > > > > > a fossil > > > a billion > > > years ago is > > > just > > > numbers on a clock. > > > > Let me make it simpler... > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > > > 'In the beginning, ...' is the point in space and time.. > > > > where an event happen, > > > > '..created the heavens and the earth.' are two events > > in points in time, and in space that simultaneously occurred, > > which is Now. > > > > Not the past > > which is some numbers > > on your clocks.. > > but > > in this frame > > called Now. > > > > The Big Dipper > > is there Now, > > you can see it > > and it is the same > > age of the universe.. > > > > it is not > > in the past... > > > > it exist as > > a collection > > of the past > > included part > > of Now. > > > > Like a photo > > or fossil (if you will). > > > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-26 10:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628FB518.4C50@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585905 |
Let's say it is 11:30am on your clock in a half hour it is going to be 12:pm. I'ts *going* to be 12:pm The numbers on your clock change to 12:pm What does that mean? It's 12:PM NOW!!!! The Starmaker wrote: > > Take a clock > and stare at it... > 14 billion years > > and it > will > continue > just changing > numbers... > and > you still will > find yourself > in the Now. > > No past > no future > just Now. > > The past does not exist. > There is no fact that the past exist. > The future does not exist. > There is no fact that the future exist. > > Time doesn't flow. > There is no arrow of time. > > Time doesn't flow. > It doesn't even move. > > It's still Now! > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Take a clock > > and stare at it. > > > > After 5 minutes > > it would change > > numbers in minutes > > from 1-5. > > > > Or it would change > > numbers in seconds > > from 1-300. > > > > After 5 minutes > > you find yourself > > still in the Now. > > > > stare at it... > > for days > > months > > years > > > > and it > > will > > continue > > just changing > > numbers... > > and > > you will > > find yourself > > still in the Now. > > > > Take a clock > > and stare at it... > > a billion years > > > > and it > > will > > continue > > just changing > > numbers... > > and > > you still will > > find yourself > > in the Now. > > > > No past > > no future > > just Now. > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > mitchr...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 21, 2022 at 10:44:09 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 20 May 2022 00:12:53 -0700, The Starmaker > > > > > > > > > > > <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What does GTR stand for? > > > > > > > > > > > >It stands for General Theory of Relativity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is one major problem with Albert Einstein's > > > > > > > > > > > >General Theory of Relativity... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >it's all about Gravity, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the problem is, > > > > > > > > > > > >if you look out there > > > > > > > > > > > >there is no Gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Gravity is just a theory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Albert Einstein said Time is an illusion, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >he was mistaken..it is Gravity that is the illusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity out there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The Sun has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > >The Earth has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > >The Moon has no Gravity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There is no Gravity anywhere.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I even checked The Code, there is no Gravity in it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >And this thing you call ...arrow of time, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >where is the bow? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop looking for the bow, too much logic for yous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bow and arrow? dats called logic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any of your clocks need Gravity to run???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless someone has a ...gravity watch i don't know abou?... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does a coo-coo clock run on gravity???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does gravity do to the past? nothing i guess..there is no > > > > > > > > > gravity..there is no past. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there was a past.. > > > > > > > > > all your photos > > > > > > > > > in your shoebox > > > > > > > > > filled with photos > > > > > > > > > would be empty.. > > > > > > > > > it would be in the past also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, there is no past. > > > > > > > > > So, all your past photos > > > > > > > > > are still in the shoebox.. > > > > > > > > > in the present, in the now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All those photos are > > > > > > > > > a collection of the past > > > > > > > > > all in the present.. > > > > > > > > > all past are here now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no past for them to go. > > > > > > > > What about the future? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise you would have > > > > > > > > pictures of the future in > > > > > > > > your shoebox. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Oh, how cute, is that > > > > > > > > you when you were a > > > > > > > > baby?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Who is this old guy in this picture?" > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The past has already happened and it leaves left overs like fossils. > > > > > > > The future is yet to happen but always will. > > > > > > > > > > > > A fossil is...a picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > Like a picture in a old shoe box. > > > > > > > > > > > > A light makes an impression on film and it is preserved in a shoebox. > > > > > > > > > > > > A fossil like your grandmother. > > > > > > > > > > Fossils > > > > > are a > > > > > collection > > > > > of the past > > > > > and that past > > > > > exist in the Now. > > > > > > > > > > The fossils do > > > > > not exist in the past.. > > > > > they are here, now. > > > > > > > > > > They are physical > > > > > objects > > > > > that exist > > > > > Now. > > > > > > > > > > Fossils > > > > > do not exist > > > > > anywhere else > > > > > but here in the now. > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > nothing happens > > > > > in the future because > > > > > it is always now. > > > > > > > > > > You just imagine > > > > > what the future > > > > > would be like.. > > > > > but > > > > > that is just > > > > > fantasy in your mind. > > > > > > > > a fossil > > > > a billion > > > > years ago is > > > > just > > > > numbers on a clock. > > > > > > Let me make it simpler... > > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > > > > > 'In the beginning, ...' is the point in space and time.. > > > > > > where an event happen, > > > > > > '..created the heavens and the earth.' are two events > > > in points in time, and in space that simultaneously occurred, > > > which is Now. > > > > > > Not the past > > > which is some numbers > > > on your clocks.. > > > but > > > in this frame > > > called Now. > > > > > > The Big Dipper > > > is there Now, > > > you can see it > > > and it is the same > > > age of the universe.. > > > > > > it is not > > > in the past... > > > > > > it exist as > > > a collection > > > of the past > > > included part > > > of Now. > > > > > > Like a photo > > > or fossil (if you will). > > > > > > -- > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > and challenge > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-26 12:49 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jf9su3F13r5U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #585905 |
On 5/26/2022 12:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > Take a clock > and stare at it... > 14 billion years > > and it > will > continue > just changing > numbers... > and > you still will > find yourself > in the Now. > > No past > no future > just Now. > > > The past does not exist. > There is no fact that the past exist. > The future does not exist. > There is no fact that the future exist. > > Time doesn't flow. > There is no arrow of time. > > Time doesn't flow. > It doesn't even move. > > > It's still Now! <snip> To tweak Hertz a little... So clearly "now" flows. Why doesn't someone figure out how that fits into the whole time-space continuum thingie?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-26 11:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <628FC5B6.41F3@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585910 |
whodat wrote: > > On 5/26/2022 12:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Take a clock > > and stare at it... > > 14 billion years > > > > and it > > will > > continue > > just changing > > numbers... > > and > > you still will > > find yourself > > in the Now. > > > > No past > > no future > > just Now. > > > > > > The past does not exist. > > There is no fact that the past exist. > > The future does not exist. > > There is no fact that the future exist. > > > > Time doesn't flow. > > There is no arrow of time. > > > > Time doesn't flow. > > It doesn't even move. > > > > > > It's still Now! > > <snip> > > To tweak Hertz a little... > > So clearly "now" flows. Flows where???? There is no past to go. No future to go to.. there is no physical place for time to flow to. Time don't flow. Time don't move. What time is it now? > > Why doesn't someone figure out how that fits into the whole time-space > continuum thingie? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-26 16:27 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jfa9m9F3f6fU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #585912 |
On 5/26/2022 1:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> On 5/26/2022 12:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> Take a clock >>> and stare at it... >>> 14 billion years >>> >>> and it >>> will >>> continue >>> just changing >>> numbers... >>> and >>> you still will >>> find yourself >>> in the Now. >>> >>> No past >>> no future >>> just Now. >>> >>> >>> The past does not exist. >>> There is no fact that the past exist. >>> The future does not exist. >>> There is no fact that the future exist. >>> >>> Time doesn't flow. >>> There is no arrow of time. >>> >>> Time doesn't flow. >>> It doesn't even move. >>> >>> >>> It's still Now! >> >> <snip> >> >> To tweak Hertz a little... >> >> So clearly "now" flows. > > Flows where???? There is no past to go. No future to go to.. Great question to use as a jumping off point! Now's now wont exist a moment later. So where did it go. It was real, wasn't it? So where is a moment's ago now now? It would seem that the future becomes the present now and quite quickly becomes the past. Can we equate "now" with "reality?" So just how long does "now" persist? Does future reality exist? If not, when and how is it created? And how does that happen so quickly? I can't tell when "now" stops existing as now and becomes the past. The problem, of course, is that this isn't physics although we are talking about physical property more properly called existence. Where is Augustine when you need him? How large would his "book of now" be? And the beat goes on... Although I am having fun with these speculations, these questions are all valid and exceptionally good questions that no one has resolved with good answers. But they're open to everyone who wants to try. > there is no physical place for time to flow to. > Time don't flow. > Time don't move. > > What time is it now? > > >> >> Why doesn't someone figure out how that fits into the whole time-space >> continuum thingie? >
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-26 18:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62902577.DAE@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585921 |
whodat wrote: > > On 5/26/2022 1:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > whodat wrote: > >> > >> On 5/26/2022 12:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Take a clock > >>> and stare at it... > >>> 14 billion years > >>> > >>> and it > >>> will > >>> continue > >>> just changing > >>> numbers... > >>> and > >>> you still will > >>> find yourself > >>> in the Now. > >>> > >>> No past > >>> no future > >>> just Now. > >>> > >>> > >>> The past does not exist. > >>> There is no fact that the past exist. > >>> The future does not exist. > >>> There is no fact that the future exist. > >>> > >>> Time doesn't flow. > >>> There is no arrow of time. > >>> > >>> Time doesn't flow. > >>> It doesn't even move. > >>> > >>> > >>> It's still Now! > >> > >> <snip> > >> > >> To tweak Hertz a little... > >> > >> So clearly "now" flows. > > > > Flows where???? There is no past to go. No future to go to.. > > Great question to use as a jumping off point! Now's now wont > exist a moment later. So where did it go. It was real, wasn't it? > So where is a moment's ago now now? I answered previsouly in this thread.. > > > it exist as > > > a collection > > > of the past > > > included part > > > of Now. > > > > > Fossils > > > > > are a > > > > > collection > > > > > of the past > > > > > and that past > > > > > exist in the Now. > > > > > > > > > All those photos are > > > > > > > > > a collection of the past > > > > > > > > > all in the present.. > > > > > > > > > all past are here now. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-27 00:06 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jfb4i2F85ekU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #585928 |
On 5/26/2022 8:12 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> On 5/26/2022 1:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> whodat wrote: >>>> >>>> On 5/26/2022 12:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Take a clock >>>>> and stare at it... >>>>> 14 billion years >>>>> >>>>> and it >>>>> will >>>>> continue >>>>> just changing >>>>> numbers... >>>>> and >>>>> you still will >>>>> find yourself >>>>> in the Now. >>>>> >>>>> No past >>>>> no future >>>>> just Now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The past does not exist. >>>>> There is no fact that the past exist. >>>>> The future does not exist. >>>>> There is no fact that the future exist. >>>>> >>>>> Time doesn't flow. >>>>> There is no arrow of time. >>>>> >>>>> Time doesn't flow. >>>>> It doesn't even move. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's still Now! >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> To tweak Hertz a little... >>>> >>>> So clearly "now" flows. >>> >>> Flows where???? There is no past to go. No future to go to.. >> >> Great question to use as a jumping off point! Now's now wont >> exist a moment later. So where did it go. It was real, wasn't it? >> So where is a moment's ago now now? > > > > > I answered previsouly in this thread.. Oh goody. I'm not chasing your answers. > >>>> it exist as >>>> a collection >>>> of the past >>>> included part >>>> of Now. > > >>>>>> Fossils >>>>>> are a >>>>>> collection >>>>>> of the past >>>>>> and that past >>>>>> exist in the Now. > > >>>>>>>>>> All those photos are >>>>>>>>>> a collection of the past >>>>>>>>>> all in the present.. >>>>>>>>>> all past are here now. > > > > > >
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-26 22:17 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62905EE1.77D5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #585921 |
whodat wrote: > > On 5/26/2022 1:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > > whodat wrote: > >> > >> On 5/26/2022 12:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> Take a clock > >>> and stare at it... > >>> 14 billion years > >>> > >>> and it > >>> will > >>> continue > >>> just changing > >>> numbers... > >>> and > >>> you still will > >>> find yourself > >>> in the Now. > >>> > >>> No past > >>> no future > >>> just Now. > >>> > >>> > >>> The past does not exist. > >>> There is no fact that the past exist. > >>> The future does not exist. > >>> There is no fact that the future exist. > >>> > >>> Time doesn't flow. > >>> There is no arrow of time. > >>> > >>> Time doesn't flow. > >>> It doesn't even move. > >>> > >>> > >>> It's still Now! > >> > >> <snip> > >> > >> To tweak Hertz a little... > >> > >> So clearly "now" flows. > > > > Flows where???? There is no past to go. No future to go to.. > > Great question to use as a jumping off point! Now's now wont > exist a moment later. So where did it go. It was real, wasn't it? > So where is a moment's ago now now? I stays in the now and the rest are memories. > > It would seem that the future becomes the present now and quite > quickly becomes the past. Can we equate "now" with "reality?" > > So just how long does "now" persist? Now.. does not persist. It is not moving. > > Does future reality exist? The future does not exist. > If not, when and how is it created? > And how does that happen so quickly? I can't tell when "now" > stops existing as now and becomes the past. The past are memory and the physics stay in the now. There is no physic in the future There is no physics in the past. > > The problem, of course, is that this isn't physics although we are > talking about physical property more properly called existence. physical property only exist in the Now. > > Where is Augustine when you need him? How large would his "book of > now" be? > > And the beat goes on... > > Although I am having fun with these speculations, these questions > are all valid and exceptionally good questions that no one has > resolved with good answers. But they're open to everyone who wants > to try. I just gave you all the answers. > > > there is no physical place for time to flow to. > > Time don't flow. > > Time don't move. > > > > What time is it now? > > > > > >> > >> Why doesn't someone figure out how that fits into the whole time-space > >> continuum thingie? > > -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-05-27 12:11 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jfcf1kFg38mU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #585937 |
On 5/27/2022 12:17 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > whodat wrote: >> >> On 5/26/2022 1:23 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>> whodat wrote: >>>> >>>> On 5/26/2022 12:05 PM, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Take a clock >>>>> and stare at it... >>>>> 14 billion years >>>>> >>>>> and it >>>>> will >>>>> continue >>>>> just changing >>>>> numbers... >>>>> and >>>>> you still will >>>>> find yourself >>>>> in the Now. >>>>> >>>>> No past >>>>> no future >>>>> just Now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The past does not exist. >>>>> There is no fact that the past exist. >>>>> The future does not exist. >>>>> There is no fact that the future exist. >>>>> >>>>> Time doesn't flow. >>>>> There is no arrow of time. >>>>> >>>>> Time doesn't flow. >>>>> It doesn't even move. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's still Now! >>>> >>>> <snip> >>>> >>>> To tweak Hertz a little... >>>> >>>> So clearly "now" flows. >>> >>> Flows where???? There is no past to go. No future to go to.. >> >> Great question to use as a jumping off point! Now's now wont >> exist a moment later. So where did it go. It was real, wasn't it? >> So where is a moment's ago now now? > > I stays in the now and the rest are memories. > >> >> It would seem that the future becomes the present now and quite >> quickly becomes the past. Can we equate "now" with "reality?" >> >> So just how long does "now" persist? > > Now.. does not persist. It is not moving. > > > > >> >> Does future reality exist? > > The future does not exist. > >> If not, when and how is it created? >> And how does that happen so quickly? I can't tell when "now" >> stops existing as now and becomes the past. > > The past are memory and the physics stay in the now. > > There is no physic in the future > There is no physics in the past. > > > >> >> The problem, of course, is that this isn't physics although we are >> talking about physical property more properly called existence. > > physical property only exist in the Now. > > > >> >> Where is Augustine when you need him? How large would his "book of >> now" be? >> >> And the beat goes on... >> >> Although I am having fun with these speculations, these questions >> are all valid and exceptionally good questions that no one has >> resolved with good answers. But they're open to everyone who wants >> to try. > > I just gave you all the answers. You provided *A* set of answers. None of them can be demonstrated to be the only (perhaps valid) answer. Thanks for your reply. >>> there is no physical place for time to flow to. >>> Time don't flow. >>> Time don't move. >>> >>> What time is it now? Fleeting. Now moves away and out of sight. >>>> Why doesn't someone figure out how that fits into the whole time-space >>>> continuum thingie? >>> >
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