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| Started by | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| First post | 2022-04-19 08:33 -0700 |
| Last post | 2022-04-26 10:19 -0700 |
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Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 08:33 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 09:12 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 09:36 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 17:05 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-19 10:40 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 11:09 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 16:09 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 17:16 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 19:56 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 23:26 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-19 22:40 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 23:39 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-20 11:22 +0200
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-20 10:24 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-20 10:54 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 11:17 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-21 19:02 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 16:17 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-21 23:04 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-21 23:21 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 00:01 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-22 15:10 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 14:08 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-22 18:33 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-22 20:47 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-22 21:24 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 23:42 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-23 21:57 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-26 10:03 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-23 08:11 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-22 15:16 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 09:40 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 16:52 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-21 11:47 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-21 21:59 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-21 13:23 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 11:08 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-21 12:01 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 19:15 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 12:43 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 21:07 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 14:47 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 22:01 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 15:22 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 00:26 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 22:23 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 12:10 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 08:43 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 16:28 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 10:07 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 18:15 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 11:52 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 14:00 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Kye Egonidis <qliz@xuelxjxk.io> - 2022-04-22 21:07 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 14:13 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Kye Egonidis <qliz@xuelxjxk.io> - 2022-04-22 21:20 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 15:23 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Kye Egonidis <qliz@xuelxjxk.io> - 2022-04-22 22:31 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 21:16 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-22 15:25 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 19:39 +0000
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 12:51 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-21 23:27 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 21:23 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-21 18:59 -0400
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-21 11:53 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 16:14 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-22 16:22 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 07:31 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-24 09:50 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-24 20:40 -0700
Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-26 10:19 -0700
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-22 19:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t3v0a6$b0d$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #583736 |
Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: > On 4/22/2022 1:07 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > >> Woodworker, you don't have ANY IDEA of what a R&D Engineer means (doing >> exactly that: Research and Development). > [snip wailing and screaming] > > Careful, Odd, Richard is about to have another of his OCD related meltdowns. > I’ve been watching the corner of one of his eyes twitching uncontrollably for days now. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-22 12:51 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b9234392-e3eb-4c85-a9b1-e346ae1f94fen@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #583740 |
On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 21:39:53 UTC+2, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > Michael Moroney <mor...@world.std.spaamtrap.com> wrote: > > On 4/22/2022 1:07 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > > >> Woodworker, you don't have ANY IDEA of what a R&D Engineer means (doing > >> exactly that: Research and Development). > > [snip wailing and screaming] > > > > Careful, Odd, Richard is about to have another of his OCD related meltdowns. > > > I’ve been watching the corner of one of his eyes twitching uncontrollably > for days now. Or rather, you've been fabricating and lying, as expected from a relativistic stinker.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-21 23:27 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <t3t7a9$1hf9$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #583666 |
On 4/21/2022 6:22 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 7:01:03 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: >> Well, kind sir, since you reject the “narrative” of modern cosmology AND >> the “narrative” of stellar formation and evolution, AND since you say you >> know the simple explanation of the origin of the solar system, then I guess >> it’s your “narrative” to share. Do tell, Mr. Wizard. >> -- >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > Hoyle's universe model, with some corrections to explain CBR. Not difficult at all, specially if you > call off the shitty experiment of COBE satellite in the '90s. The most perfect experiment in the > history of physics, NASA assholes said by then. Sorry, science doesn't let you pick and choose experimental results, and reject the results you don't like. What if Galileo's priests got their way? What if Michelson & Morley decided to ignore their experimental results of their famous experiment and just abandoned it? What if scientists of the late 1800s/very early 1900s decided to reject the experimental results that the speed of light was the same for everyone? (ok, you'd probably like that, and be happy with the world being barely out of the horse&buggy era)
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-21 21:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <104a27df-c195-4635-b341-67619db34a3an@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #583684 |
On Friday, 22 April 2022 at 05:27:08 UTC+2, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 4/21/2022 6:22 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 7:01:03 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > >> Well, kind sir, since you reject the “narrative” of modern cosmology AND > >> the “narrative” of stellar formation and evolution, AND since you say you > >> know the simple explanation of the origin of the solar system, then I guess > >> it’s your “narrative” to share. Do tell, Mr. Wizard. > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > > Hoyle's universe model, with some corrections to explain CBR. Not difficult at all, specially if you > > call off the shitty experiment of COBE satellite in the '90s. The most perfect experiment in the > > history of physics, NASA assholes said by then. > Sorry, science doesn't let you pick and choose experimental results, and > reject the results you don't like. Sorry, stupid Mike, only such an idiot can believe such an impudent lie.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-21 18:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <t3snjt$11pi$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #583627 |
On 4/21/2022 2:08 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 2:23:40 PM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 4/21/2022 12:40 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: >>> On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 12:33:30 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: >> >>>> Einstein's theories have a say on this, relativists? >>> >>> Of course, relativists run away when asked how the entire Solar Systems (and when) was created. >> That is cosmology and astrophysics, not relativity-related. Go to >> sci.astro or something. >>> HOW DID ALL OF THEM CONDENSED INTO A PROTO-SUN, with a spherical radius of 100 AU, and gained ROTATION (momentum)? >> Again, cosmology or astrophysics. >>> >>> Atomic gravity, electrical and/or magnetic forces shrank such isotropic distribution into such sphere, that ignited by nuclear fusion? >>> >>> And how much time took such sphere to transform 30% of its composition into Helium? >> Cosmology or astrophysics or nuclear physics. >>> >>> Remember that this stage is very much before any possible ejection of 5% of the mass of the singularity, to form proto-planets and else. >> It is not believed matter was ejected from the sun to form planets. But >> better find a better source than myself for cosmology or astrophysics >> questions. >>> >>> Of course, GR has no answers about this process. >> Because it is a cosmology or astrophysics issue, not GR. >>> >>> BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW NOTHING, and cosmologists have been mocking at you for 90 years, since the homo Eddington started >>> to play with this and his homo-narrative, about 1922. Only Gamow gave some hints about 1930, but for 90 years YOU HAVE BEEN >>> PLAYED by the parasites that live at your expense, trying to figure how GOD works. >>> >>> Well, everything you've been told IS FALSE, and if you buy it, you are A RETARDED PARTNER IN THE CRIME that modern cosmology is. >>> >>> Like Bodkin and Moroney, for instance. But they don't work on this for free. Fucking paid shill/trolls, without answers at hand. >>> >> Please go see a medical professional to deal with your mood disorder >> meltdowns. Perhaps you need mood stabilizer medication, a medical >> professional can tell for certain. > > I simplified the terms I've used on the previous post: Astrophysics, nuclear physics, cosmology, general relativity, etc. > > Moroney and Bodkin: you can try to divert the attention about my main objective here, but you both fail, proving once again that you > both are a fucking pair of ignorant, indoctrinated trolls/shills. [snip meltdown] PLEASE make an appointment with a mental health professional for your mood disorder meltdowns. Alternatively, go buy a used Tesla, not to drive, but it appears you'll need to scavenge all the lithium in its batteries for all the lithium carbonate mood stabilizer it appears you need.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-21 11:53 -0700 |
| Subject | Re: Tricky questions: How old is each planet? What happened with the 5th. planet? |
| Message-ID | <6261A839.218C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #583615 |
Michael Moroney wrote: > > On 4/21/2022 12:40 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 12:33:30 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: > > >> Einstein's theories have a say on this, relativists? > > > > Of course, relativists run away when asked how the entire Solar Systems (and when) was created. > > That is cosmology and astrophysics, not relativity-related. Go to > sci.astro or something. > > > HOW DID ALL OF THEM CONDENSED INTO A PROTO-SUN, with a spherical radius of 100 AU, and gained ROTATION (momentum)? > > Again, cosmology or astrophysics. > > > > Atomic gravity, electrical and/or magnetic forces shrank such isotropic distribution into such sphere, that ignited by nuclear fusion? > > > > And how much time took such sphere to transform 30% of its composition into Helium? > > Cosmology or astrophysics or nuclear physics. Nuclear physics is E=Mc^2 > > > > Remember that this stage is very much before any possible ejection of 5% of the mass of the singularity, to form proto-planets and else. > > It is not believed matter was ejected from the sun to form planets. But > better find a better source than myself for cosmology or astrophysics > questions. > > > > Of course, GR has no answers about this process. > > Because it is a cosmology or astrophysics issue, not GR. > > > > BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW NOTHING, and cosmologists have been mocking at you for 90 years, since the homo Eddington started > > to play with this and his homo-narrative, about 1922. Only Gamow gave some hints about 1930, but for 90 years YOU HAVE BEEN > > PLAYED by the parasites that live at your expense, trying to figure how GOD works. > > > > Well, everything you've been told IS FALSE, and if you buy it, you are A RETARDED PARTNER IN THE CRIME that modern cosmology is. > > > > Like Bodkin and Moroney, for instance. But they don't work on this for free. Fucking paid shill/trolls, without answers at hand. > > > > Please go see a medical professional to deal with your mood disorder > meltdowns. Perhaps you need mood stabilizer medication, a medical > professional can tell for certain. You're racist against Germans because Albert Einstein said Germens have an 'aggressive mentality'. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-22 16:14 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <ab5316cc-1484-421c-948a-d0e15cb08455n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #583369 |
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 12:33:30 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: > As modern "astronomy" is stuck with the narrative that planets were created > about 4.4 billion years ago, supporting Laplace's nebular theory, two simple > questions arise: > > 1) How old is each planet, since the formation of the Sun (in a form that can > be related to this Sun of our days). > > 2) What happened with the 5th. planet, which should be between Mars and > Jupiter, following the Titius–Bode “Law”? > > Titius pointed out that the mean distance d in astronomical units (AU) from > the Sun to each of the six known planets was approximated by the equation > > d = 0.4 + 0.3 (2ᴷ), where K = −∞, 0, 1, 2, 4, 5 > > This empirical law is valid nowadays up to Neptune, as this table shows: > > Planet K Axis (AU) Titius–BodeLaw (AU) > Mercury −∞ 0.39 0.4 > Venus 0 0.72 0.7 > Earth 1 1.00 1.0 > Mars 2 1.52 1.6 > ? 3 > Jupiter 4 5.20 5.2 > Saturn 5 9.54 10.0 > Uranus 6 19.18 19.6 > Neptune 7 30.06 38.8 > > Einstein's theories have a say on this, relativists? Back on track to the topics of this thread: 1) How old is each planet? Scientists don't have a fucking clue, and have been playing with laymen since Lord Kelvin, using thermodynamics, calculated the age of Earth being 100 million years, in 1892. Around 1930, a dispute between different representatives of branches of science raised the age to about 900 million years. TIMELINE OF CALCULATIONS 1905 – Rutherford suggests to use radioactive elements with long half-lives, such as uranium, to work out the ages of rocks. 1911 – Arthur Holmes improves on Boltwood’s work. Rock determined to be Carboniferous by relative dating is 340 million years old, a Precambrian rock is 1,640 million years old. These dates are not widely accepted, as they disagree with earlier dating methods. 1920 – Francis Aston invents the mass spectrometer for studying isotopes, which have only been known about for a few years. 1927 – Arthur Holmes suggests that Earth is 1.6–3 billion years old. He realises that all the rocks being chemically dated were formed a long time after Earth was first formed. 1941 – EK Gerling CALCULATES the age of the Earth as 3.2 billion years. He bases this on rocks he THINKS are from the time when Earth was formed. These rocks are later shown to come from after Earth’s formation. 1956 – Clair Patterson realises that SOME METEORITED were formed at the same time as the Earth and have stayed unchanged. He gets the age of 4.55 ± 0.3 billion years from the Canyon Diablo meteorite. 1972 – The oldest rocks BROUGHT BACK from the Moon by the Apollo 17 mission have radiometric dates of up to 4.5 billion years. IT IS THOUGHT that the Moon formed at a similar time to Earth. 1983 - Zircon crystals in Western Australia are dated to 4.2 billion years old. The zircon HAS NOW BECOME PART OF YOUNGER ROCKS BUT HAS NOT CHANGED since it was first formed. 2007 – The oldest known rocks, called Acasta gneiss, are found in Canada, dated at 4.03 billion years old. The 1983 Australian crystals are older, but ARE NO LONGER in their original rock. Conclusions: Rutherford initiated the trend to use radioactive decay to calculate AGE OF ROCKS (in his dreams, poor fellow). Beyond C-14 dating range, heavier elements REQUIRE
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-22 16:22 -0700 |
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On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 8:14:13 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 12:33:30 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: > > As modern "astronomy" is stuck with the narrative that planets were created > > about 4.4 billion years ago, supporting Laplace's nebular theory, two simple > > questions arise: > > > > 1) How old is each planet, since the formation of the Sun (in a form that can > > be related to this Sun of our days). > > > > 2) What happened with the 5th. planet, which should be between Mars and > > Jupiter, following the Titius–Bode “Law”? > > > > Titius pointed out that the mean distance d in astronomical units (AU) from > > the Sun to each of the six known planets was approximated by the equation > > > > d = 0.4 + 0.3 (2ᴷ), where K = −∞, 0, 1, 2, 4, 5 > > > > This empirical law is valid nowadays up to Neptune, as this table shows: > > > > Planet K Axis (AU) Titius–BodeLaw (AU) > > Mercury −∞ 0.39 0.4 > > Venus 0 0.72 0.7 > > Earth 1 1.00 1.0 > > Mars 2 1.52 1.6 > > ? 3 > > Jupiter 4 5.20 5.2 > > Saturn 5 9.54 10.0 > > Uranus 6 19.18 19.6 > > Neptune 7 30.06 38.8 > > > > Einstein's theories have a say on this, relativists? > Back on track to the topics of this thread: > > 1) How old is each planet? > > Scientists don't have a fucking clue, and have been playing with laymen since Lord Kelvin, using thermodynamics, > calculated the age of Earth being 100 million years, in 1892. > > Around 1930, a dispute between different representatives of branches of science raised the age to about 900 million years. > > TIMELINE OF CALCULATIONS > 1905 – Rutherford suggests to use radioactive elements with long half-lives, such as uranium, to work out the ages of rocks. > > 1911 – Arthur Holmes improves on Boltwood’s work. Rock determined to be Carboniferous by relative dating is 340 million years old, a Precambrian rock is 1,640 million years old. These dates are not widely accepted, as they disagree with earlier dating methods. > > 1920 – Francis Aston invents the mass spectrometer for studying isotopes, which have only been known about for a few years. > > 1927 – Arthur Holmes suggests that Earth is 1.6–3 billion years old. He realises that all the rocks being chemically dated were formed a long time after Earth was first formed. > > 1941 – EK Gerling CALCULATES the age of the Earth as 3.2 billion years. He bases this on rocks he THINKS are from the time when Earth was formed. These rocks are later shown to come from after Earth’s formation. > > 1956 – Clair Patterson realises that SOME METEORITED were formed at the same time as the Earth and have stayed unchanged. He gets the age of 4.55 ± 0.3 billion years from the Canyon Diablo meteorite. > > 1972 – The oldest rocks BROUGHT BACK from the Moon by the Apollo 17 mission have radiometric dates of up to 4.5 billion years. IT IS THOUGHT that the Moon formed at a similar time to Earth. > > 1983 - Zircon crystals in Western Australia are dated to 4.2 billion years old. The zircon HAS NOW BECOME PART OF YOUNGER ROCKS BUT HAS NOT CHANGED since it was first formed. > > 2007 – The oldest known rocks, called Acasta gneiss, are found in Canada, dated at 4.03 billion years old. The 1983 Australian crystals are older, but ARE NO LONGER in their original rock. > > > > Conclusions: Rutherford initiated the trend to use radioactive decay to calculate AGE OF ROCKS (in his dreams, poor fellow). > > Beyond C-14 dating range, heavier elements REQUIRE that their surroundings be ACCURATELY SEALED and protected from any posterior degradation by contamination. The risk of contamination INCREASES GREATLY with rocks assumed to be older and older. Such context IS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO BE PROVEN, so every dating of old samples IS UNDER HEAVY QUESTIONING. Besides, the alignment with studies from sciences like anthropology, archeology and other Earth sciences are in permanent conflict. Which part wins? Very simple: The part, in western science, that SUPPORTS the Big Bang Theory and General Relativity. The narrative HAS TO BE STUCK in every fucking brain. Repeat after me: Dinosaurs became extinct 65 million years ago, OK? And who challenge this narrative is going TO BE CANCELLED. Probably, a fucking Russian.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-24 07:31 -0700 |
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Even ZeroHedge is interested on the topic of this thread. Just now: Visualizing The TimeSpiral Evolution Of Earth Since The Big-Bang SATURDAY, APR 23, 2022 - 10:00 PM https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/visualizing-timespiral-evolution-earth-big-bang Since the dawn of humanity, we have looked questioningly to the heavens with great interest and awe. We’ve called on the stars to guide us, and have made some of humanity’s most interesting discoveries based on those observations. This also led us to question our existence and how we came to be in this moment in time. As Visual Capitalist's Anshool Deshmukh details below, that journey began some 14 billion years ago, when the Big Bang led to the universe emerging from a hot, dense sea of matter and energy. As the cosmos expanded and cooled, they spawned galaxies, stars, planets, and eventually, life. In the below visualization, Pablo Carlos Buddassi illustrates this journey of epic proportions in the intricately designed Nature Timespiral, depicting the various eras that the Earth has gone through since the inception of the universe itself. ******************************************* 492 comments in 10 hours. I bet that Moroney and Bodkin wrote 10% of them. Some of them: Epic! Weimar, 43 minutes ago Biblical, historical evidence is just as legit as scientific and they don't even have that, since no one was there in their timeline and carbon dating doesn't compute giant catastrophes, but only small, uniform changes throughout. In the Biblical timeline people were there and recorded toldoths; Adam's account, Noah's, etc., which Moses wrote down at the time of the Exodus, because the people needed to know their history, since they'd been 400 years in servitude. Each patriarch is mentioned with his offspring, leaving no room for more years. The earth is about 6,000 years old. Mcbragg, 1 hour ago Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it. -A Hitler zorrosgate, 1 hour ago During the Cenozoic period, roughly 66 million years ago, early man believed the earth was created from some large dinosaur egg. Today, scientists can prove how preposterous and idea like that was. In another 66 million years, scientists will look back on how utterly absurd the big bang theory was. Claiming that whole universes simply cannot evolve out of nothing, and that a dinosaur egg theory is actually much more plausible.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-24 09:50 -0700 |
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The Big Bang and Hadean Eon
The Big Bang formed the entire universe that we know, including the elements, forces, stars, and planets. Hydrogen and massive dissipation of heat dominated the initial stages of the universe.
During a time span known as the Hadean eon, our Solar System formed within a large cloud of gas and dust. The Sun’s gravitational pull brought together spatial particles to create the Earth and other planets, but they would take a long time to reach their modern forms.
Sometime during the first 800 million years of its history, the surface of the Earth changed from liquid to solid
Archean Eon (4 – 2.5 billion years ago)
After its initial formation, the surface of the Earth was extremely hot. This subsequent eon saw the planet cool down massively, giving rise to oceans and continents, and the first recorded history of rocks.
It was early in the Archean eon that life first appeared on Earth. Our oldest discovered fossils date to roughly 3.5 billion years ago and consist of tiny, preserved microorganisms.
Paleoproterozoic Era (2.5 – 1.6 billion years ago)
The first era of the Proterozoic Eon, the Paleoproterozoic, was the longest in Earth’s geological history. Tectonic plates arose and landmasses shifted across the globe—it was the beginning of the formation of the Earth we know today.
Cyanobacteria, the first organisms using photosynthesis, also appeared during this period. Their photosynthetic activity brought about a rapid upsurge in atmospheric oxygen, resulting in the Great Oxidation Event. This killed off many primordial anaerobic bacterial groups but paved the way for multicellular life to grow and flourish
Mesoproterozoic Era (1.6 – 1 billion years ago)
The Mesoproterozoic occurred during what is known as the “boring billion” stage of Earth’s history. That is due to a lack of widespread geochemical activity and the relative stability of the ocean carbon reservoirs.
But this era did see the break-up of the supercontinents and the formation of new continents. This period also saw the first noted case of sexual reproduction among organisms and the probable appearance of multicellular organisms and green plants.
Neoproterozoic Era (1 billion – 542.0 million years ago)
The Neoproterozoic was arguably the most profound in Earth’s history. It stands at the intersection of the two great tracts of evolutionary time: on the one side, some three billion years of predominantly microbial life, and on the other the inception of a modern biosphere with its extraordinarily diverse large multicellular organisms.
The era saw the formation of the ozone layer and the earliest evidence of multicellular life, including the emergence of the first hard-shelled animals, such as trilobites and archaeocyathids.
Paleozoic Era (541 million – 252 million years ago)
The Paleozoic is best known for ushering in an explosion of life on Earth, with two of the most critical events in the history of animal life. At its beginning, multicellular animals underwent a dramatic Cambrian explosion in aquatic diversity, and almost all living animals appeared within a few millions of years.
At the other end of the Paleozoic, the largest mass extinction in history resulted in 96% of marine life and 70% of terrestrial life dying out. Halfway between these events, animals, fungi, and plants colonized the land, and the insects took to the air.
Mesozoic Era (252 million – 66 million years ago)
The Mesozoic was the Age of Reptiles. Dinosaurs, crocodiles, and pterosaurs ruled the land and air. This era can be subdivided into three periods of time:
Triassic (252 to 201.3 million years ago)
Jurassic (201.3 to 145 million years ago)
Cretaceous (145 to 66 million years ago)
The rise of the dinosaurs began at the end of the Triassic Period. A fossil of one of the earliest-known dinosaurs, a two-legged omnivore roughly three feet long-named Eoraptor, is dated all the way back to this time.
Scientists believe the Eoraptor (and a few other early dinosaurs still being discovered today) evolved into the many species of well-known dinosaurs that would dominate the planet during the Jurassic period. They would continue to flourish well into the Cretaceous period, when it is widely accepted that the Chicxulub impactor, the plummeting asteroid that crashed into Earth off the coast of Mexico, brought the reign of the dinosaurs to an abrupt and calamitous end
Cenozoic Era (66 million – Present Day)
After the end of the Age of Dinosaurs, this era saw massive adaptations by natural flora and fauna to survive. The plants and animals that formed during this era look most like those on Earth today.
The earliest forms of modern mammals, amphibians, birds, and reptiles can be traced back to the Cenozoic. Human history is entirely contained within this period, as apes developed through evolutionary pressure and gave rise to the present-day human being or Homo sapiens.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-24 20:40 -0700 |
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Your first question: How old is each planet? Already, everyone here knows you fell for the ...trap. "planet"???? Where did you get that definition from? They are just all rocks... and the second trap you fell into is in thinking that the Earth is all part of these rocks out there. Look at the Earth. Is there anything about it that resembles anything out there? It's got an ocean covering most of the surface. It's got fishes, trees, flowers, ants, elephants, ...people. Is there anything out there that contains all that out there that you seen? So, why call it a planet? It's a rock with mostly a chemical surface. You want to grow flowers on Mars or any other place out there you need to bring the earth with you. The world "planet" is the oldest lie the scientific community has used to describe the Earth. It's a lie. So, when you ask the question: How old is each planet? You fell for the lie. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-04-26 10:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62682999.2F0@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #583954 |
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> Your first question: How old is each planet?
>
> Already, everyone here knows you fell for the ...trap.
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> "planet"????
>
> Where did you get that definition from? They are just all rocks...
>
> and the second trap you fell into is in thinking
> that the Earth is all part of these rocks out there.
>
> Look at the Earth. Is there anything about it that
> resembles anything out there?
>
> It's got an ocean covering most of the surface.
> It's got fishes, trees, flowers, ants, elephants,
> ...people.
>
> Is there anything out there that contains all that
> out there that you seen? So, why call it a planet?
>
> It's a rock with mostly a chemical surface.
>
> You want to grow flowers on Mars or any other
> place out there you need to bring the earth with you.
>
> The world "planet" is the oldest lie the scientific community has used
> to describe the Earth.
>
> It's a lie.
>
> So, when you ask the question: How old is each planet?
>
> You fell for the lie.
Of course, if you ask the 'scientific community' about the Earth they say...
"Oh yeah, there's plenty of planets Earth out there! Billions of them!!"
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