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v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz

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First post2022-03-23 16:14 -0700
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  v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-23 16:14 -0700
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-23 23:48 +0000
      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-23 17:04 -0700
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 10:44 +0000
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-24 09:55 -0500
            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 16:21 +0000
              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-24 15:12 -0500
                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 21:44 +0000
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 22:51 +0000
                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-24 19:39 -0500
                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 15:11 +0000
                        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-26 20:27 -0500
                          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-27 12:37 +0000
                            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-29 10:38 -0500
                              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-29 17:52 +0000
                                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-29 14:47 -0500
                                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-29 19:53 +0000
                                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-29 15:18 -0500
                                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-29 20:57 +0000
                                        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-29 18:50 -0500
                                          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-30 14:29 +0000
                                            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-04-01 16:22 -0500
                                              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2022-04-01 14:37 -0700
                                              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-01 21:37 +0000
                                                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-01 18:20 -0700
                                                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-02 01:46 +0000
                                                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-01 19:02 -0700
                                                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-01 19:55 -0700
                                                        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-02 13:41 +0000
                                                      Cretin Pat Dolan admits he's the greatest imbecile "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-02 07:20 -0700
                                                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-02 00:35 -0400
                                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-29 22:15 -0700
                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-27 14:33 -0700
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-03-24 18:53 -0500
                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 13:57 +0000
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-23 18:46 -0700
      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-23 23:08 -0700
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-23 23:29 -0700
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-23 23:48 -0700
            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 00:22 -0700
              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 00:39 -0700
                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 06:34 -0700
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 06:45 -0700
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 14:27 +0000
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 14:27 +0000
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 09:40 -0700
                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 16:54 +0000
                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 10:04 -0700
                        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 19:31 +0000
                          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 12:36 -0700
                            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 19:46 +0000
                              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 20:07 +0000
                              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 13:26 -0700
                                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 21:44 +0000
                                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 22:01 +0000
                                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 16:04 -0700
                                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 17:18 -0700
                                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 17:26 -0700
                                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 17:54 -0700
                                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 17:59 -0700
                                        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 18:16 -0700
                                          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 15:11 +0000
                                            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 09:12 -0700
                                        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 15:11 +0000
                                          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 09:51 -0700
                                            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 09:55 -0700
                                              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 17:03 +0000
                                                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 10:09 -0700
                                                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 17:19 +0000
                                              Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 10:39 -0700
                                                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 10:46 -0700
                                                  Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 17:52 +0000
                                                    Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 10:59 -0700
                                                      Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 12:01 -0700
                                                  Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 12:00 -0700
                                            Village imbecile Pat Dolan inserts foot in mouth "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 10:38 -0700
                                            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 12:03 -0700
                                              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 12:46 -0700
                                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-24 18:28 -0700
                                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 18:46 -0700
                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 10:01 -0700
                    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 10:30 -0700
                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 17:37 +0000
                      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 11:01 -0700
                        Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 11:24 -0700
                          Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 11:56 -0700
                            Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 12:04 -0700
                            Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 19:34 +0000
                              Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 19:43 +0000
                              Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-24 22:16 -0700
                                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 13:26 +0000
                                  Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-25 11:16 -0700
                                    Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2022-03-25 14:58 -0700
                                      Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-26 00:52 +0000
                                        Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-25 21:58 -0700
                                          Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-27 23:56 -0700
                                            Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-28 13:09 +0000
                                              Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-29 11:48 -0700
                                                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-29 19:25 +0000
                                                  Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-30 11:07 -0700
                                                    Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-03-30 12:02 -0700
                                                      Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-30 12:46 -0700
                                                        Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-03-30 13:23 -0700
                                                        Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-30 21:31 -0700
                                                          Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-30 22:10 -0700
                                                            Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-31 10:40 -0700
                                                              Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2022-04-01 13:34 -0700
                          Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 19:31 +0000
                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-24 15:41 -0400
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 12:44 -0700
                  Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 12:49 -0700
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-23 23:54 -0700
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 11:27 +0000
      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-03-26 00:45 +0100
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-25 17:01 -0700
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-26 10:48 +0000
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-26 10:38 +0000
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-03-26 16:25 +0100
            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-26 08:37 -0700
              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-03-26 16:41 +0100
                Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-26 10:51 -0700
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-03-26 19:04 +0100
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-26 10:46 +0000
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-26 13:13 +0000
            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-26 17:03 +0000
              Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-26 17:12 +0000
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-03-26 19:17 +0100
            Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-26 12:12 -0700
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-24 13:43 +0100
      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 13:53 +0000
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 14:01 +0000
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-24 14:01 +0000
      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 09:34 -0700
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-03-24 19:20 +0100
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 11:51 -0700
      Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-24 18:11 -0700
        Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-24 18:16 -0700
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-24 18:25 -0700
          Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-24 18:46 -0700
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Takabe Matsumura <tamu@frdesn.jp> - 2022-03-24 19:44 +0000
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Takabe Matsumura <tamu@frdesn.jp> - 2022-03-24 20:00 +0000
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-03-25 11:21 +1100
    Re: v' = v in the Transforms Lorentz carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2022-03-30 12:34 -0700

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#581426 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

FromPaul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-30 12:02 -0700
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<dc1752cf-8f05-4d7c-9a4a-2d9945a47f79n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#581408
On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:07:16 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:

> so, you're saying you learn fractions in the 4th grade?

No, fractions were in 3rd grade... 🙃

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#581432 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-03-30 12:46 -0700
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<6244B39D.6930@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#581426
Paul Alsing wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:07:16 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > so, you're saying you learn fractions in the 4th grade?
> 
> No, fractions were in 3rd grade... Ă°Ćžâ„ąÆ’

Are you saying that the odd bodkin learned fractions in the 3rd grade
and algerbra in the 5th grade, then what did he
learn from his math teacher in the 4th grade???


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#581441 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

Fromthor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-30 13:23 -0700
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<f30d7060-e8ac-447c-b595-21dd4552f8fbn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#581432
px

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#581477 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-03-30 21:31 -0700
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<62452E85.5DF2@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#581432
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Paul Alsing wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:07:16 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > > so, you're saying you learn fractions in the 4th grade?
> >
> > No, fractions were in 3rd grade... Ă°Ćžâ„ąÆ’
> 
> Are you saying that the odd bodkin learned fractions in the 3rd grade
> and algerbra in the 5th grade, then what did he
> learn from his math teacher in the 4th grade???

furthermore, what grade  for learning...division, 2nd grade?

What about learning...multiplication? 1st grade??

What grade is left to learn adding and subtraction???






-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#581480 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-03-30 22:10 -0700
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<624537CB.4837@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#581477
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:07:16 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > > so, you're saying you learn fractions in the 4th grade?
> > >
> > > No, fractions were in 3rd grade... Ă°Ćžâ„ąÆ’
> >
> > Are you saying that the odd bodkin learned fractions in the 3rd grade
> > and algerbra in the 5th grade, then what did he
> > learn from his math teacher in the 4th grade???
> 
> furthermore, what grade  for learning...division, 2nd grade?
> 
> What about learning...multiplication? 1st grade??
> 
> What grade is left to learn adding and subtraction???

That doesn't include having to learn How To read...

which explains why this teacher needs to teach other teachers
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=10nlwPFH7uA

because teachers cannot read algerbra  educational materials
to be able to teach algerbra in the 5th grade.


I mean, there are a lot of 12th graders that are still in 3rd grade reading level..

(and teachers too)


and professors.


Let's get real here..


The 'new world order means'...China will be President of the United States and the World.

Ask Einstein.








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#581530 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-03-31 10:40 -0700
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<6245E789.11E0@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#581480
The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Paul Alsing wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:07:16 AM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > so, you're saying you learn fractions in the 4th grade?
> > > >
> > > > No, fractions were in 3rd grade... Ă°Ćžâ„ąÆ’
> > >
> > > Are you saying that the odd bodkin learned fractions in the 3rd grade
> > > and algerbra in the 5th grade, then what did he
> > > learn from his math teacher in the 4th grade???
> >
> > furthermore, what grade  for learning...division, 2nd grade?
> >
> > What about learning...multiplication? 1st grade??
> >
> > What grade is left to learn adding and subtraction???
> 
> That doesn't include having to learn How To read...
> 
> which explains why this teacher needs to teach other teachers
> https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=10nlwPFH7uA
> 
> because teachers cannot read algerbra  educational materials
> to be able to teach algerbra in the 5th grade.
> 
> I mean, there are a lot of 12th graders that are still in 3rd grade reading level..
> 
> (and teachers too)
> 
> and professors.
> 
> Let's get real here..
> 
> The 'new world order means'...China will be President of the United States and the World.
> 
> Ask Einstein.
> 

already, it has begun.

The china communist plan is to get rid of usenet.

already, the china communist are hitting usenet by flooding out the most
popular newsgroups.

Look at rec.arts.tv
(look at the Date stamp time and you'll see the flood evidence)
also 
            alt.fan.rush-limbaugh

The china communist are hijacking everyones email address and flooding
with fake post.

You're NEXT!

i hope you like rice.

The only solution to stop the china communist is a nucleur war where 2/3
of people will be bombed on earth.


As Albert Einstein said: “I know not with what weapons World War III
will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#581640 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

Fromcarl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com>
Date2022-04-01 13:34 -0700
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<19eb9835-4c1f-4b89-8e9e-69421fe56a96n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#581530
The purpose of relativity (coordinate system manipulation) is to reverse the negative result of MX.

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#580924 — Re: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-24 19:31 +0000
SubjectRe: Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres
Message-ID<t1igtr$1gts$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580914
Dono. <eggy20011951@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 11:01:25 AM UTC-7, cretin pat dolan persevered:
>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 10:30:21 AM UTC-7, Townes Olson wrote: 
>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: 
>>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 6:34:16 AM UTC-7, Townes Olson wrote: 
>>>>> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:39:32 AM UTC-7, patdolan wrote: 
>>>>>> Let's forget all about Relativity, velocity, time and distance. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right, your fundamental misunderstanding is much more elementary, and
>>>>> really has nothing to do with relativity in particular. 
>>>>>> Let's consider four well constructed strings in algebra: 
>>>>>> x' = ( x - vt )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ] 
>>>>>> t' = ( t - vx/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ] 
>>>>>> x = ( x' + v't' )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ] 
>>>>>> t = ( t' + v'x'/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ] 
>>>>>> Now let's show that v' = v can be derived using the above four well
>>>>>> constructed strings. 
>>>>> That's a false proposition, because those equations imply only that
>>>>> v'= v or -v + 2xt(1-v^2)/(t^2-2txv+x^2). You see, all your
>>>>> sophistries reduce to the same kernel of idiocy, namely, your belief
>>>>> that the relation f(a)=f(b) implies a=b. That's why you think 1=-1 is
>>>>> derivable from arithmetic, and why you think v'=v is derivable from
>>>>> algebra. Your brain can't grasp the concept of non-linear functions. 
>>>> 
>>>> ... your testimony to this forum is that the equation v' = v can not
>>>> be derived from the 
>>>> system of four equations. Correct? 
>>> Again, those equations imply that either v'=v or v' = -v +
>>> 2xt(1-v^2)/(t^2-2txv+x^2). What part of that sentence is your brain
>>> incapable of understanding? 
>>> 
>>> You see, all your misconceptions and fantasized "breakings" reduce to
>>> the same kernel of idiocy, namely, your belief that the relation
>>> f(a)=f(b) implies a=b. That's why you think 1=-1 is derivable from
>>> arithmetic, and why you think v'=v is derivable from algebra. Your
>>> brain can't grasp the concept of non-linear functions. Remember, you've
>>> abandoned any pretense to be talking about relativity, velocity, time
>>> distance, and the symbols x,t, etc are just undefined algebraic values. 
>>> 
>>>> If it's just algebra, then why can't you produce a theorem that reads
>>>> "v' = v" from the four fundamental equations???? 
>>> 
>>> You've been shown that those four equations do *not* uniquely imply
>>> your v' equals your v, they imply that either v'=v or v' = -v +
>>> 2xt(1-v^2)/(t^2-2txv+x^2). What part of that sentence is your brain
>>> incapable of understanding? Of course, if you go back to dealing with
>>> x,t and x',t' as coordinate systems and the equations representing the
>>> relations for fixed parameter v for all possible x and t, then the
>>> second root is excluded. And then all you are doing is defining the
>>> sumbol v' to signify v. Duh.
>> "Again, those equations imply that either v'=v or...." 
>> 
>> Show your work Townes.
> 
> 
> Cretinoid
> 
> Basic 9-th grade algebra :
> 
> Invert :
> 
> x'=\gamma(x-vt)
> t'=\gamma(t-vx/c^2)
> 
> 
> and you get:
> 
> x=\gamma(x'+vt')
> t=\gamma(t'+vx'/c^2)
> 
> 
> Compare against:
> 
> 
> x=\gamma(x'+v't')
> t=\gamma(t'+v'x'/c^2)
> 
> 
> and one gets (not the imbecile Pat Dolan)
> 
> v'=v
> 

Exactly.  

I think Pat is struggling a bit with, “how did you get from step 1 to step
2?”

-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#580927

FromMichael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com>
Date2022-03-24 15:41 -0400
Message-ID<t1ihgu$1q5b$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580865
On 3/24/2022 3:39 AM, patdolan wrote:
> On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:22:14 AM UTC-7, Townes Olson wrote:
> It follows per the above grade school algebra that dx'/dt' of the spatial origin of S in terms of S' is -v. See above.
> 
> Townesy, let's forget all about Einstein, Relativity, velocity, time and distance.  Let's consider four well constructed strings in algebra:
> 
> x' = ( x - vt )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ]
> t' = ( t - vx/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ]
> 
> x = ( x' + v't' )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ]
> t = ( t' + v'x'/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ]
> 
> Now let's show that v' = v can be derived using the above four well constructed strings.  Can you do it?  Or do you decline?
> 

If v' means the velocity measured in the primed frame, by the first 
postulate/symmetry all the primed and unprimed variables can be 
exchanged for each other, and the result is that v' = -v, not v.

That certainly makes since, because if the primed frame is defined as 
moving in the +x direction of the unprimed frame, then obviously the 
primed frame is going to see the unprimed frame moving in the negative 
direction of its x' axis.

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#580930

Frompatdolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
Date2022-03-24 12:44 -0700
Message-ID<47a08832-c57f-41ce-a61e-6f2a983154cbn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580927
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:41:22 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 3/24/2022 3:39 AM, patdolan wrote: 
> > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:22:14 AM UTC-7, Townes Olson wrote: 
> > It follows per the above grade school algebra that dx'/dt' of the spatial origin of S in terms of S' is -v. See above. 
> > 
> > Townesy, let's forget all about Einstein, Relativity, velocity, time and distance. Let's consider four well constructed strings in algebra:
> > 
> > x' = ( x - vt )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ] 
> > t' = ( t - vx/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ] 
> > 
> > x = ( x' + v't' )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ] 
> > t = ( t' + v'x'/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ] 
> >
> > Now let's show that v' = v can be derived using the above four well constructed strings. Can you do it? Or do you decline? 
> > 
> 
> If v' means the velocity measured in the primed frame, by the first 
> postulate/symmetry all the primed and unprimed variables can be 
> exchanged for each other, and the result is that v' = -v, not v. 
> 
> That certainly makes since, because if the primed frame is defined as 
> moving in the +x direction of the unprimed frame, then obviously the 
> primed frame is going to see the unprimed frame moving in the negative 
> direction of its x' axis.

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#580932

Frompatdolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
Date2022-03-24 12:49 -0700
Message-ID<b6b67154-b48d-44be-a3f2-819259b5f7f4n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580927
On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:41:22 PM UTC-7, Michael Moroney wrote:
> On 3/24/2022 3:39 AM, patdolan wrote: 
> > On Thursday, March 24, 2022 at 12:22:14 AM UTC-7, Townes Olson wrote: 
> > It follows per the above grade school algebra that dx'/dt' of the spatial origin of S in terms of S' is -v. See above. 
> > 
> > Townesy, let's forget all about Einstein, Relativity, velocity, time and distance. Let's consider four well constructed strings in algebra:
> > 
> > x' = ( x - vt )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ] 
> > t' = ( t - vx/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v/c)^2 ] 
> > 
> > x = ( x' + v't' )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ] 
> > t = ( t' + v'x'/c^2 )/sqrt[ 1 - (v'/c)^2 ] 
> >
> > Now let's show that v' = v can be derived using the above four well constructed strings. Can you do it? Or do you decline? 
> > 
> 
> If v' means the velocity measured in the primed frame, by the first 
> postulate/symmetry all the primed and unprimed variables can be 
> exchanged for each other, and the result is that v' = -v, not v. 
> 
> That certainly makes since, because if the primed frame is defined as 
> moving in the +x direction of the unprimed frame, then obviously the 
> primed frame is going to see the unprimed frame moving in the negative 
> direction of its x' axis.
You almost make sense, Moroney, with your v'=-v.  But check out hyper physics link to see why you are wrong.

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#580863

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-23 23:54 -0700
Message-ID<30ee9d90-6110-482c-b456-7ba80e61f614n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580861
On Thursday, 24 March 2022 at 07:29:49 UTC+1, Townes Olson wrote:

> It isn't a "transform", it is a "transformation" (there is a difference), and each pair of equations constitutes a single transformation, not plural. And yes, the transformation from one system of coordinates to the other is algebraically invertible, and the parameter v characterizes the relationship between those two systems. Remember, with g=1/sqrt(1-v^2), the pair of equations x'=(x-vt)g and t'=(t-vx)g is algebraically equivalent to the pair of equations t=(t'+vx')g and x=(x'+vt')g. See above. 


In the meantime in the real world, however, forbidden by 
your insane religion TAI keep measuring t'=t, just like 
all serious clocks always did. Remember.

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#580874

FromRichard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>
Date2022-03-24 11:27 +0000
Message-ID<eRI-gKp9UBiPreRjm-rL6aQeXmE@jntp>
In reply to#580849
Le 24/03/2022 Ă  00:14, patdolan a Ă©crit :
> Conspicuous by its absence from the Transforms Lorentz is the quantity v'.  A 
> great reasoner and philosopher once wrote that if v = v in both cases then it 
> should be provable.  
> 
> I dare any denizen of this forum to prove that the v used in the Transforms to 
> S' equals/is identical to, the v used in the Transforms to S.
> 
> I don't think even Townes Olson has a clue how to do this.  He may not even 
> understand what I am typing about.  And Bodkin?  Fuhgedaboudit.
> 
> With deepest sympathy for a lost cause,

Yes. It's the same v.

v'=v

Covariance notion.

"Il n'y a pas de référentiel absolu". 

Si un référentiel S' se déplace à 0.8c par rapport à un autre, alors 
l'autre se dĂ©place Ă  la mĂȘme vitesse.

On peut d'ailleurs résoudre ça par l'absurde.

Pourquoi l'autre se déplacerait-il, par exemple à 0.2c vis à vis du 
premier? ? ?

Donc la question ne se pose pas.

Ou alors il faut retirer le principe de covariance.

Mais je n'en vois pas, aujourd'hui, l'intĂ©rĂȘt.

Par contre, j'apprécie le fait que vous cherchiez à rendre cette 
théorie plus cohérente, car il est évident que des cailloux dans la 
chaussure s'y trouvent. 

Mais pas dans la notion de réciprocité des référentiels.

"Les effets de la physique sont réciproques par permutation de 
référentiel"

Autre exemple : deux montres battent alors réciproquement plus vite 
(selon le mĂȘme coefficient) que celle qu'elles observent.

R.H.

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#581005

FromThomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Date2022-03-26 00:45 +0100
Message-ID<1910191.usQuhbGJ8B@PointedEars.de>
In reply to#580874
Richard Hachel wrote:

> Yes. It's the same v.

It is not.
 
> v'=v

No, v' = −v, as I have proved before.
 
> Covariance notion.

Covariance is something else entirely.
 

PointedEars
-- 
“Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns
 so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization
 of the entire tapestry.”
   —Richard Feynman, theoretical physicist, “Messenger Lecture” 1 (1964)

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#581006

Frompatdolan <patdolan@comcast.net>
Date2022-03-25 17:01 -0700
Message-ID<3759c607-0c0e-4af6-ac0c-152910e206fdn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#581005
On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 4:45:07 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Richard Hachel wrote: 
> 
> > Yes. It's the same v. 
> 
> It is not. 
> 
> > v'=v 
> 
  
> No, v' = −v, as I have proved before. 
Thank you Long Ears (and Moroney too).  I agree, and used that formulation in the proof that broke the Lorentz Transforms.

> 
> > Covariance notion. 
> 
> Covariance is something else entirely. 
> 
> 
> PointedEars 
> -- 
> “Nature uses only the longest threads to weave her patterns 
> so that each small piece of her fabric reveals the organization 
> of the entire tapestry.” 
> —Richard Feynman, theoretical physicist, “Messenger Lecture” 1 (1964)

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#581022

FromRichard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>
Date2022-03-26 10:48 +0000
Message-ID<aw-DSgoY1vCAfO99k9yBmmDZt_c@jntp>
In reply to#581006
Le 26/03/2022 Ă  01:01, patdolan a Ă©crit :

> that broke the Lorentz Transforms.

? ? ?

R.H.

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#581020

FromRichard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>
Date2022-03-26 10:38 +0000
Message-ID<sNqFKTLQmjt-4h0m5ugKF7Y_VyY@jntp>
In reply to#581005
Le 26/03/2022 Ă  00:45, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a Ă©crit :
> 
> Covariance is something else entirely.
>  

LOL.

This proves that you have not understood the theory.
You learned things by heart, without understanding them.

R.H.

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#581047

FromPython <python@example.invalid>
Date2022-03-26 16:25 +0100
Message-ID<t1nb89$1qf3$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#581020
Richard "Hachel" Lengrand (M.D.) wrote:
> Le 26/03/2022 Ă  00:45, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a Ă©crit :
>>
>> Covariance is something else entirely.
>>
> 
> LOL.

LOL, sure, for your stupidity. Thomas is right.

> This proves that you have not understood the theory.
> You learned things by heart, without understanding them.

This is the most pathetic part of your rant. You are too
dumb and stubborn to actually learn SR (or physics in general,
by the way). The nonsense you pull out of your ass makes
no sense, and is unrelated to what SR actually is.

Your arrogance makes you claim that people who actually
studied this stuff and really *think* carefully about
how and why basic concepts should be defined in order
to make sense (including: frames of reference, coordinates
— for space and time —, laws of motion and covariance),
just learnt this by rote.

Nothing can be more WRONG. If you had watched the
course in French I mentioned recently you would know
that. But, of course, you didn't.

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#581049

FromMaciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-26 08:37 -0700
Message-ID<be5b7b3d-a7ac-41af-8994-a1d353eb8fc0n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#581047
On Saturday, 26 March 2022 at 16:25:00 UTC+1, Python wrote:
> Richard "Hachel" Lengrand (M.D.) wrote: 
> > Le 26/03/2022 Ă  00:45, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn a Ă©crit : 
> >> 
> >> Covariance is something else entirely. 
> >> 
> > 
> > LOL.
> LOL, sure, for your stupidity. Thomas is right.


Oh, stinker Python is opening its muzzle again,
and trying to pretend he knows something.
Tell me, poor stinker, what is your definition of
a "theory" in the terms of Peano arithmetic?
See: if a theorem is going to be a part of a theory,
it has to be formulable in the language of the
theory. Do you get it? Or are you too stupid even for
that, poor stinker?

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#581052

FromPython <python@example.invalid>
Date2022-03-26 16:41 +0100
Message-ID<t1nc71$92h$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#581049
Maciej Wozniak wrote:
> In the meantime in the real world, Peano arithmetics
> is a theory of numbers, not about theories. Godel's
> theorem isn't a part of it. Godel has concocted a brandly
> new theory, but somehow he has forgotten to
> specify its assumptions.
> There are some other reasons why his theorem has no
> value, but they're all too muchg for [...] 


If you really want your confusion and misconceptions about
Gödel's theorems to be addressed, please explain what assumptions
"Gödel somehow forgot to specify" according to you, as well as the
"other reasons why his theorem has no value" on sci.logic.

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