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Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation

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  Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-11 22:20 -0800
    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-03-12 19:44 +1100
      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 03:48 -0800
        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-03-13 10:07 +1100
          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 16:10 -0800
            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-03-13 16:51 +1100
              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 22:05 -0800
                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 13:29 +0000
                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 06:48 -0700
            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 13:29 +0000
    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-12 11:37 +0100
    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 15:06 +0000
      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 10:13 -0800
        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 19:34 +0000
          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 11:55 -0800
            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 20:13 +0000
              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 12:48 -0800
                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 21:06 +0000
                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 14:52 -0800
                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 00:13 +0000
                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-12 20:59 -0500
                      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 20:35 -0800
                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 12:34 +0000
        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-12 12:07 -0800
        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-12 22:55 +0100
          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 22:12 +0000
            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-12 23:46 +0100
              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 14:55 -0800
                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 14:58 -0800
                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Vaugn Rhea <var@bfrlsr.ni> - 2022-03-12 23:12 +0000
                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 00:14 +0000
                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-12 20:41 -0800
                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 12:35 +0000
                      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 06:29 -0700
                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 13:33 +0000
                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 06:49 -0700
                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 14:01 +0000
                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-03-13 16:58 +0100
                                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 09:26 -0700
                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-13 21:17 +0100
                                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 20:51 +0000
                                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 20:57 +0000
                                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 14:09 -0700
                                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-03-13 22:44 +0100
                                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 16:15 -0700
                                      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 00:06 +0000
                                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-13 21:15 -0700
                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-14 02:55 -0400
                                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 00:31 -0700
                                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-03-14 10:45 +0100
                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 10:48 +0000
                                      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-14 08:57 -0700
                                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 09:39 -0700
                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 17:05 +0000
                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-14 14:43 -0400
                                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-14 22:22 +0100
                                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 14:26 -0700
                                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-15 00:51 +0000
                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-14 22:13 -0700
                                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-15 10:36 +0000
                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-13 11:17 -0700
                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-14 22:55 -0700
                                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-15 01:08 -0700
                                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-15 11:12 -0700
                                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-16 09:03 -0700
                                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 10:16 -0700
                                      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 17:30 +0000
                                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 10:58 -0700
                                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 11:46 -0700
                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 19:18 +0000
                                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 13:03 -0700
                                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-03-16 13:54 -0700
                                                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 14:21 -0700
                                                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 21:37 +0000
                                                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-03-16 23:16 +0100
                                                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 22:27 +0000
                                                      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 16:37 -0700
                                                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-03-16 18:34 -0700
                                                    Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 21:58 -0700
                                                      Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-03-17 06:27 -0700
                                                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-17 11:12 -0700
                                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-03-17 11:44 -0700
                                                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-17 17:22 -0700
                                                              Crank Richard Hertz admits he's an asshole "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-17 21:26 -0700
                                                                Re: Crank Richard Hertz admits he's an asshole Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-17 22:30 -0700
                                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-18 21:21 +0000
                                                        Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-18 21:54 -0700
                                                          Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-18 22:21 -0700
                                                            Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-18 23:10 -0700
                                                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-18 23:42 -0700
                                                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-19 13:10 -0700
                                                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-19 13:50 -0700
                                                                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-20 12:08 -0700
                                                                  Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-21 22:47 -0700
                                                  Crank Richard Hertz loves eating shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 22:04 -0700
                                              Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-16 20:59 +0000
                Re: Bodkin physics: Watermelons in free fall and solar radiation nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-13 14:21 +0100

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#580156

FromMichael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com>
Date2022-03-12 20:59 -0500
Message-ID<t0jj5t$iut$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580140
On 3/12/2022 5:52 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:

> If you was at any asian country, they would have you hanging by your balls for your disrespect.
> 
I've always observed that Odd is one of the better natured posters here. 
Sometimes someone is dumb enough to get a short rant, but each time I've 
seen it, the person being replied to did deserve it.

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#580158

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-12 20:35 -0800
Message-ID<9a29f6fc-474f-4a0f-86d4-e798c76d3fe0n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580156
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:59:28 PM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:

<snip>

> I've always observed that Odd is one of the better natured posters here. 
> Sometimes someone is dumb enough to get a short rant, but each time I've 
> seen it, the person being replied to did deserve it.

Shut up! Shut up! Shut the fuck up! 

Some gems of your BBF:

An electron is a quantized disturbance in the electron field, according to Weinberg. 
Then of course you have to remind yourself what Weinberg says a field is, exactly. 
You'll be surprised maybe about how tight the connection is between what 
an electron is and what spacetime is.


Nobody offered me a job in a state-sponsored woodworking shop. 
I had to buy or make my own tools, I had to build my own client list, 
I had to find my own wood suppliers. In the first few years of my 
business, I operated at a net loss while making those investments. 


Ken is as useful as a pile of 1954 Akron telephone 
books and as dumb as half a bale of cotton. 



That's fine. That's one aspect to life. It's called metabolism. Maybe 
with a little bit of homeostasis thrown in. 

There are other traits that are also considered essential, which any 
high school biology book will point out: 
1. Organization (cell structure) 
2. Response to stimuli 
3. Growth 
4. Adaptation 
5. Reproduction 
not to mention 
6. Homeostasis 
7. Metabolism 

Tom Roberts intervined:  You forgot the essence of life as we know it: replication.




That's not at all the premise of the Hafele-Keating experiment. There is 
a nice book, copyrighted in 1993, that describes this experiment and 
what it showed, for the consumption of laypeople. It's written so that 
people like you won't guess badly based on dim memories and newspaper 
clippings.

Pretty sure both Hafele and Keating were both experts and developers of 
the clocks used, too. Essen disagreed with them, but he did not have 
better credentials than they did about the clocks.




You'll notice that there is no implicit inheritance of those qualities 
from the constituents. The mass of a sea of photons does not inherit 
from the mass of the individual photons. Likewise, the volume of an atom 
does not inherit from the volumes of the electron (which we do not know 
differs from zero) or from the baryons in the nucleus. Indeed, the 
volume of the atom arises from the interactions of the constituents, and 
in fact the same is true for any composite substance, which matter is. 

So the fact that quarks might be one-dimensional strings has no bearing 
on whether matter has three-dimensional volume, since what lends the 
volume is not the volume of the quarks but their interactions. Same for 
the interacting fermions inside the proton or comprising the atom. 



Some gems of the Supreme  Thinker, and I didn't have to dig too much in the past.

The asshole wrote half of the posts in the 69,816 threads stored here.

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#580172

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 12:34 +0000
Message-ID<t0kocd$1m2j$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580158
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 10:59:28 PM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> I've always observed that Odd is one of the better natured posters here. 
>> Sometimes someone is dumb enough to get a short rant, but each time I've 
>> seen it, the person being replied to did deserve it.
> 
> Shut up! Shut up! Shut the fuck up! 

Are you talking to your elder?

> 
> Some gems of your BBF:
> 
> An electron is a quantized disturbance in the electron field, according to Weinberg. 
> Then of course you have to remind yourself what Weinberg says a field is, exactly. 
> You'll be surprised maybe about how tight the connection is between what 
> an electron is and what spacetime is.
> 
> 
> Nobody offered me a job in a state-sponsored woodworking shop. 
> I had to buy or make my own tools, I had to build my own client list, 
> I had to find my own wood suppliers. In the first few years of my 
> business, I operated at a net loss while making those investments. 
> 
> 
> Ken is as useful as a pile of 1954 Akron telephone 
> books and as dumb as half a bale of cotton. 
> 
> 
> 
> That's fine. That's one aspect to life. It's called metabolism. Maybe 
> with a little bit of homeostasis thrown in. 
> 
> There are other traits that are also considered essential, which any 
> high school biology book will point out: 
> 1. Organization (cell structure) 
> 2. Response to stimuli 
> 3. Growth 
> 4. Adaptation 
> 5. Reproduction 
> not to mention 
> 6. Homeostasis 
> 7. Metabolism 
> 
> Tom Roberts intervined:  You forgot the essence of life as we know it: replication.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's not at all the premise of the Hafele-Keating experiment. There is 
> a nice book, copyrighted in 1993, that describes this experiment and 
> what it showed, for the consumption of laypeople. It's written so that 
> people like you won't guess badly based on dim memories and newspaper 
> clippings.
> 
> Pretty sure both Hafele and Keating were both experts and developers of 
> the clocks used, too. Essen disagreed with them, but he did not have 
> better credentials than they did about the clocks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You'll notice that there is no implicit inheritance of those qualities 
> from the constituents. The mass of a sea of photons does not inherit 
> from the mass of the individual photons. Likewise, the volume of an atom 
> does not inherit from the volumes of the electron (which we do not know 
> differs from zero) or from the baryons in the nucleus. Indeed, the 
> volume of the atom arises from the interactions of the constituents, and 
> in fact the same is true for any composite substance, which matter is. 
> 
> So the fact that quarks might be one-dimensional strings has no bearing 
> on whether matter has three-dimensional volume, since what lends the 
> volume is not the volume of the quarks but their interactions. Same for 
> the interacting fermions inside the proton or comprising the atom. 
> 
> 
> 
> Some gems of the Supreme  Thinker, and I didn't have to dig too much in the past.

There is no supreme thinking in any of the above. 

There is familiarity with Weinberg wrote in a book I read, personal history
about my own business, an opinion about Ken Seto, the high school biology
definition of life, awareness of the history of a famous physics
experiment, and an expression of the current physics view of what drives
physical volume. 

These are BASIC things for someone interested in science. Do you think I
should not know basics? Why?

> 
> The asshole wrote half of the posts in the 69,816 threads stored here.

Oh I doubt that. I’ve only been here since 2013 or so. This forum has been
around since the 1990s, no? And more active back then. 

> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#580126

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2022-03-12 12:07 -0800
Message-ID<622CFD69.2DE1@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#580114
Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 12:06:58 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I can't let this gem pass. It's a sample of the power of thought of
> > > The Supreme Thinker and one of the rare posts where he uses his math:
> > >
> > > Can you spot the error(s)?
> > >
> > > *************************************************
> > >
> > > Dec 2, 2014, 5:17:02 PM
> > >
> > > Almost all of the photonic flow down onto the surface of the earth is
> > > due to the sun. The amount of energy delivered to the surface of the
> > > earth is 1370 W/m^2 at the latitude where the sun is directly overhead.
> > > (At different latitutes, it's less.)
> > >
> > > So let's take a watermelon, which has a cross-sectional area of about
> > > 0.20 m^2, and we'll drop it from the third story (10 meters up) of a
> > > city parking garage. The maximal amount of photonic energy it can absorb
> > > from above is therefore 1370 W/m^2 * 0.2 m^2 = 275 W roughly, certainly
> > > no more than 300 W.
> > >
> > > This is of course presuming that none of the
> > > photonic energy is reflected and that all of it is absorbed, which isn't
> > > true but assuming that anyway will give us a maximum limit.
> > > It takes 1.4 seconds for a watermelon released from rest to fall to the
> > > ground. During this time, it will absorb 275 W * 1.4 sec = 400 joules roughly.
> > >
> > > Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms,
> > > we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate:
> > > 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2
> > > so
> > > v = 9.4 m/s if ALL of the photonic energy is absorbed and converted into
> > > kinetic energy rather than heat or anything else.
> > >
> > > But the watermelon is observed to have a speed of 9.8 m/s^2 * 1.4 sec =
> > > 13.7 m/s, which can be measured with a light strobe, a camera, and a
> > > meter stick mounted at ground level.
> > > *************************************************
> > > ??
> > >
> > Why does a crazy person mine a 7-year-old post, remove all the context, and
> > apparently have no point?
> >
> > --
> > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Because I didn't like that you abused of an 86 years old person with endless discussions for several years (Fischer),
> seemingly enjoying in a sadistic way your superiority.
> 
> And this behavior with this elder is not the only one.
> 
> It seems that you are fond of this kind of behavior with very old people, but feel bad when they die (one year later, in this case).
> 
> I find this attitude despicable.


An explosion is an explosion
A birth is a birth
A bully is a bully.



Oh come on, you're being unfair now...a bully is a bully. Maybe ...unconsciously  he might be unaware of his bully mentality.



Are you German ...Richard?  Did you know Albert Einstein said the Germans have an ...aggressive mentality?


Are you aware of your ...aggressive mentality????



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#580134

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2022-03-12 22:55 +0100
Message-ID<1poq7kf.1fdx6ar1reka3lN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#580114
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do you get my point now, Bodkin?

FYI, nobody is getting your point.

Jan

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#580136

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-12 22:12 +0000
Message-ID<t0j5sd$e7m$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580134
J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Do you get my point now, Bodkin?
> 
> FYI, nobody is getting your point.
> 
> Jan
> 

I get the feeling this kind of post by him is a huge “how DARE you!” which
is rich given his liberal usage of a flamethrower. 

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#580138

Fromnospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date2022-03-12 23:46 +0100
Message-ID<1poq9u2.ryww2kktpdyqN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl>
In reply to#580136
Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:

> J. J. Lodder <nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> wrote:
> > Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Do you get my point now, Bodkin?
> > 
> > FYI, nobody is getting your point.
> > 
> > Jan
> > 
> 
> I get the feeling this kind of post by him is a huge "how DARE you!" which
> is rich given his liberal usage of a flamethrower. 

Quite possible, but I get no idea from his postings
just what he thinks he is thowing flame at,

Jan

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#580141

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-12 14:55 -0800
Message-ID<83ae855d-e55a-473d-953d-1251ba0b6210n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580138
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 7:46:46 PM UTC-3, J. J. Lodder wrote:

> Quite possible, but I get no idea from his postings 
> just what he thinks he is thowing flame at, 

My point is two-fold: Bodkin is an idiot ignorant pretender AND still mocks the elders here about what he dissagree on their
understanding of physics. 

This situation is the one that doesn't make sense: an imbecile judging other's people knowledge?

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#580142

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-12 14:58 -0800
Message-ID<3c99cf09-1f7e-44f6-989a-65ce4bafe5b2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580141
And better for you, Bodkin, that nobody is paying attention to the incredible stupidity that you wrote and I C&P in my OP here.

Are you really in a position to judge anything on physics? 

But but you are an imbecile, how could you be taken seriously?

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#580144

FromVaugn Rhea <var@bfrlsr.ni>
Date2022-03-12 23:12 +0000
Message-ID<t0j9c8$1mmm$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580141
Richard Hertz wrote:

> My point is two-fold: Bodkin is an idiot ignorant pretender AND still
> mocks the elders here about what he dissagree on their understanding of
> physics.
> 
> This situation is the one that doesn't make sense: an imbecile judging
> other's people knowledge?

"And you will hear rumors of wars". Rumors.

Tracking Down _FAKE_ News Media about The Ukraine WAR - THEY ARE LYING TO 
YOU! https://www.bitchute.com/video/OtObCXviQAei/

Nuke Hoax! https://www.bitchute.com/video/3NrkhZlxlAQg/

And here an ukrainian "refuge" asking the reporter about legalized weed 
and cannabis in UK. Apparently he knows nothing about the war.

Sky news: Are you all right?
https://www.brighteon.com/a4143150-9c5b-4f5b-adf0-4277ceb22103

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#580148

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 00:14 +0000
Message-ID<t0jd0l$rcr$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580141
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 7:46:46 PM UTC-3, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
>> Quite possible, but I get no idea from his postings 
>> just what he thinks he is thowing flame at, 
> 
> My point is two-fold: Bodkin is an idiot ignorant pretender AND still
> mocks the elders here about what he dissagree on their
> understanding of physics. 
> 
> This situation is the one that doesn't make sense: an imbecile judging
> other's people knowledge?
> 

You said that I made an error of using weight as mass in the kinetic
energy. Would you care to look again, sir elder? And after doing that, will
someone with the wisdom of years be able to offer that he has made a
mistake?



-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#580159

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-12 20:41 -0800
Message-ID<b7064d2e-f322-4333-947e-893f4bf503a6n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580148
On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:14:17 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> You said that I made an error of using weight as mass in the kinetic 
> energy. Would you care to look again, sir elder? And after doing that, will 
> someone with the wisdom of years be able to offer that he has made a 
> mistake?

You wrote:

Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms,
we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate:
400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2

Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really?

That's a hell of a watermelon.

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#580173

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 12:35 +0000
Message-ID<t0kodk$1m3m$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580159
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 9:14:17 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> You said that I made an error of using weight as mass in the kinetic 
>> energy. Would you care to look again, sir elder? And after doing that, will 
>> someone with the wisdom of years be able to offer that he has made a 
>> mistake?
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms,
> we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate:
> 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2
> 
> Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really?
> 
> That's a hell of a watermelon.

9 kg, not 90 kg.  The weight of the melon in SI units is a bit less than 90
newtons. An apple weighs about 1 newton. A watermelon that weighs 90 apples
is not unusual.

You were going to apologize?

> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#580179

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 06:29 -0700
Message-ID<7b5a185b-9d4c-4765-9678-0d672651d3c1n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580173
On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:35:03 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
 
 <snip> 

> > Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms, 
> > we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate: 
> > 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2 
> > 
> > Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really? 
> > 
> > That's a hell of a watermelon.
> 9 kg, not 90 kg. The weight of the melon in SI units is a bit less than 90 
> newtons. An apple weighs about 1 newton. A watermelon that weighs 90 apples 
> is not unusual. 
> 
> You were going to apologize? 

Ignorant, trying to save face!

The weight is still measured in KgF (Kilogram Force), which is W = m . g  (mass measured in Kg, g is g!).

KE (Joules) = 1/2 MASS (Kg) x VELOCITY² (m/s)²

1 Joule = 1 Kg m²/s²  , NOT  1 N m²/s²

Asshole, you used 9 Kg (mass), which has weight of 90 KgF or 90 N in the formula of KE.


But still try to be right, because you are a cretin without shame!

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#580180

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 13:33 +0000
Message-ID<t0krr6$15gk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580179
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:35:03 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>  
>  <snip> 
> 
>>> Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms, 
>>> we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate: 
>>> 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2 
>>> 
>>> Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really? 
>>> 
>>> That's a hell of a watermelon.
>> 9 kg, not 90 kg. The weight of the melon in SI units is a bit less than 90 
>> newtons. An apple weighs about 1 newton. A watermelon that weighs 90 apples 
>> is not unusual. 
>> 
>> You were going to apologize? 
> 
> Ignorant, trying to save face!
> 
> The weight is still measured in KgF (Kilogram Force), which is W = m . g 
> (mass measured in Kg, g is g!).

No, I was quoting a mass in kilograms. 9 kg is the mass of the watermelon. 

You going to apologize now? Or is that beneath you because of your age? Old
people shouldn’t have to apologize?

> 
> KE (Joules) = 1/2 MASS (Kg) x VELOCITY² (m/s)²
> 
> 1 Joule = 1 Kg m²/s²  , NOT  1 N m²/s²
> 
> Asshole, you used 9 Kg (mass), which has weight of 90 KgF or 90 N in the formula of KE.

I used 9kg (I.e. the mass) in the calculation of the KE. You going to
apologize now?

> 
> 
> But still try to be right, because you are a cretin without shame!
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#580183

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 06:49 -0700
Message-ID<69c0e985-f0e8-4071-9e6c-c61fd35c1492n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580180
On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:33:29 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:35:03 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
> >> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > <snip> 
> > 
> >>> Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms, 
> >>> we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate: 
> >>> 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2 
> >>> 
> >>> Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really? 
> >>> 
> >>> That's a hell of a watermelon. 
> >> 9 kg, not 90 kg. The weight of the melon in SI units is a bit less than 90 
> >> newtons. An apple weighs about 1 newton. A watermelon that weighs 90 apples 
> >> is not unusual. 
> >> 
> >> You were going to apologize? 
> > 
> > Ignorant, trying to save face! 
> > 
> > The weight is still measured in KgF (Kilogram Force), which is W = m . g 
> > (mass measured in Kg, g is g!).
> No, I was quoting a mass in kilograms. 9 kg is the mass of the watermelon. 
> 
> You going to apologize now? Or is that beneath you because of your age? Old 
> people shouldn’t have to apologize?
> > 
> > KE (Joules) = 1/2 MASS (Kg) x VELOCITY² (m/s)² 
> > 
> > 1 Joule = 1 Kg m²/s² , NOT 1 N m²/s² 
> > 
> > Asshole, you used 9 Kg (mass), which has weight of 90 KgF or 90 N in the formula of KE.
> I used 9kg (I.e. the mass) in the calculation of the KE. You going to 
> apologize now?
> > 
> > 
> > But still try to be right, because you are a cretin without shame! 
> > 
> >
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Cretin! A 90 KgF watermelon (90 N)? You have no shame!

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#580184

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 14:01 +0000
Message-ID<t0ktfo$1rhk$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580183
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:33:29 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:35:03 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> <snip> 
>>> 
>>>>> Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms, 
>>>>> we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate: 
>>>>> 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's a hell of a watermelon. 
>>>> 9 kg, not 90 kg. The weight of the melon in SI units is a bit less than 90 
>>>> newtons. An apple weighs about 1 newton. A watermelon that weighs 90 apples 
>>>> is not unusual. 
>>>> 
>>>> You were going to apologize? 
>>> 
>>> Ignorant, trying to save face! 
>>> 
>>> The weight is still measured in KgF (Kilogram Force), which is W = m . g 
>>> (mass measured in Kg, g is g!).
>> No, I was quoting a mass in kilograms. 9 kg is the mass of the watermelon. 
>> 
>> You going to apologize now? Or is that beneath you because of your age? Old 
>> people shouldn’t have to apologize?
>>> 
>>> KE (Joules) = 1/2 MASS (Kg) x VELOCITY² (m/s)² 
>>> 
>>> 1 Joule = 1 Kg m²/s² , NOT 1 N m²/s² 
>>> 
>>> Asshole, you used 9 Kg (mass), which has weight of 90 KgF or 90 N in the formula of KE.
>> I used 9kg (I.e. the mass) in the calculation of the KE. You going to 
>> apologize now?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But still try to be right, because you are a cretin without shame! 
>>> 
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Cretin! A 90 KgF watermelon (90 N)? You have no shame!
> 
> 

If you’re joking now, it’s overworked. If you’re not, it’s pathetic. Either
way, you’re more willing to say something stupid than to apologize. What
does that tell you?

-- 
Odd Bodkin — Maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#580188

FromDirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 16:58 +0100
Message-ID<t0l4ag$pbn$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#580184
Op 13-mrt.-2022 om 15:01 schreef Odd Bodkin:
> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:33:29 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:35:03 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms,
>>>>>> we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate:
>>>>>> 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a hell of a watermelon.
>>>>> 9 kg, not 90 kg. The weight of the melon in SI units is a bit less than 90
>>>>> newtons. An apple weighs about 1 newton. A watermelon that weighs 90 apples
>>>>> is not unusual.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were going to apologize?
>>>>
>>>> Ignorant, trying to save face!
>>>>
>>>> The weight is still measured in KgF (Kilogram Force), which is W = m . g
>>>> (mass measured in Kg, g is g!).
>>> No, I was quoting a mass in kilograms. 9 kg is the mass of the watermelon.
>>>
>>> You going to apologize now? Or is that beneath you because of your age? Old
>>> people shouldn’t have to apologize?
>>>>
>>>> KE (Joules) = 1/2 MASS (Kg) x VELOCITY² (m/s)²
>>>>
>>>> 1 Joule = 1 Kg m²/s² , NOT 1 N m²/s²
>>>>
>>>> Asshole, you used 9 Kg (mass), which has weight of 90 KgF or 90 N in the formula of KE.
>>> I used 9kg (I.e. the mass) in the calculation of the KE. You going to
>>> apologize now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But still try to be right, because you are a cretin without shame!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>
>> Cretin! A 90 KgF watermelon (90 N)? You have no shame!
>>
>>
> 
> If you’re joking now, it’s overworked. If you’re not, it’s pathetic. Either
> way, you’re more willing to say something stupid than to apologize. What
> does that tell you?
> 

Sounds exactly like Dono.
And of course, like trump.

Dirk Vdm

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#580189

From"Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com>
Date2022-03-13 09:26 -0700
Message-ID<3c32782b-e03e-47e1-ade9-f0dff5711027n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#580188
On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 8:58:13 AM UTC-7, Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
> Op 13-mrt.-2022 om 15:01 schreef Odd Bodkin:
> > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:33:29 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
> >>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >>>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:35:03 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
> >>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>> <snip> 
> >>>> 
> >>>>>> Since the average watermelon is about 20 pounds or 9 kilograms, 
> >>>>>> we can find the speed this 400 Joules could generate: 
> >>>>>> 400 J = (1/2)mv^2 = (1/2)*(9 kg)*v^2 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Are you telling that your watermelon weight about 90 kilograms? Really? 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> That's a hell of a watermelon. 
> >>>>> 9 kg, not 90 kg. The weight of the melon in SI units is a bit less than 90 
> >>>>> newtons. An apple weighs about 1 newton. A watermelon that weighs 90 apples 
> >>>>> is not unusual. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> You were going to apologize? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ignorant, trying to save face! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> The weight is still measured in KgF (Kilogram Force), which is W = m . g 
> >>>> (mass measured in Kg, g is g!). 
> >>> No, I was quoting a mass in kilograms. 9 kg is the mass of the watermelon. 
> >>> 
> >>> You going to apologize now? Or is that beneath you because of your age? Old 
> >>> people shouldn’t have to apologize? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> KE (Joules) = 1/2 MASS (Kg) x VELOCITY² (m/s)² 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 1 Joule = 1 Kg m²/s² , NOT 1 N m²/s² 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Asshole, you used 9 Kg (mass), which has weight of 90 KgF or 90 N in the formula of KE. 
> >>> I used 9kg (I.e. the mass) in the calculation of the KE. You going to 
> >>> apologize now? 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> But still try to be right, because you are a cretin without shame! 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables 
> >> 
> >> Cretin! A 90 KgF watermelon (90 N)? You have no shame! 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > If you’re joking now, it’s overworked. If you’re not, it’s pathetic. Either 
> > way, you’re more willing to say something stupid than to apologize. What 
> > does that tell you? 
> >
> Sounds exactly like Dono. 
> And of course, like trump. 
> 
> Dirk Vdm


Drek,

I see that you still have the hard-on.

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#580201

From"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no>
Date2022-03-13 21:17 +0100
Message-ID<XjsXJ.376485$8b1.48935@fx01.ams4>
In reply to#580184

Den 13.03.2022 15:01, skrev Odd Bodkin:
> Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:33:29 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Asshole, you used 9 Kg (mass), which has weight of 90 KgF or 90 N in the formula of KE.
>>> I used 9kg (I.e. the mass) in the calculation of the KE. You going to
>>> apologize now?

>>
>> Cretin! A 90 KgF watermelon (90 N)? You have no shame!
>>

> 
> If you’re joking now, it’s overworked. If you’re not, it’s pathetic. Either
> way, you’re more willing to say something stupid than to apologize. What
> does that tell you?
> 

He isn't joking.
He actually believes that kilogram force, or kilopond (kp)
is the same as Newton.

But 1 kp = 9.80665 N (as you know)

Richard Hertz, read this:
https://www.sizes.com/units/kilopond.htm

Richard Hertz will now claim that he was joking or trolling.
He will NOT apologize.

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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