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| Started by | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2022-02-27 17:02 -0800 |
| Last post | 2022-03-01 12:23 +0000 |
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Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 17:02 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 21:05 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-27 22:38 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 23:33 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 05:36 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-28 21:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 22:03 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-28 22:33 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 22:45 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 13:12 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 23:01 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 12:23 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 04:43 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 13:12 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 05:22 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 05:29 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 13:47 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 06:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 15:13 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 09:24 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 21:58 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-02 20:16 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 21:12 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-02 23:47 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-03 20:20 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 20:38 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-03 22:11 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-04 17:15 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-05 15:08 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-05 15:55 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-05 23:22 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 12:32 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-06 13:18 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-07 13:48 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-07 13:56 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 01:25 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 10:58 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 15:19 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-08 23:40 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 16:14 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 06:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 04:41 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-05 09:05 -0500
Re: Philosophy and physics Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 18:22 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-03-05 10:47 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 19:13 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 11:31 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 20:03 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-06 14:10 -0500
Re: Philosophy and physics Ober Corn <nm@cvslm.ca> - 2022-03-06 21:12 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 14:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 23:08 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 23:10 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 15:01 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 07:19 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 15:01 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 03:28 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 14:06 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-02-28 22:24 +0100
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 21:15 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 20:42 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 12:23 +0000
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-08 16:14 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6227F14F.7D31@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579839 |
Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:58:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP...
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know
> > > > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you
> > > > > > > > > > > ever used one?
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between
> > > > > > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols.
> > > > > > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data
> > > > > > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Step by step here...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard
> > > > > > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A cancel bot.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup
> > > > > > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will
> > > > > > > > > ever shop up on Usenet.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this:
> > > > > > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet
> > > > > > > *anywhere*, and I'll
> > > > > > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The last version of
> > > > > > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you
> > > > > > will find the complete source code included in all of the download
> > > > > > archives.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from
> > > > > > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so
> > > > > > desire.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a
> > > > > key).
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's
> > > > > post with gibberish.
> > > >
> > > > called supersede..
> > > >
> > > > a little history..
> > > > the first NewsAgent came out in 1997
> > > > then..it was before Ver.0.1
> > > > under a different name.
> > > >
> > > > I got that one! I got them all!
> > > > Plus, I got all the little UDP scripts
> > > > made by others.
> > > >
> > > > You know, the way some people collect stamps,
> > > > butterflies, treeknots, comic books..I collect
> > > > UDP scripts and programs.
> > > >
> > > > I plan to contact
> > > > nickle and dime coders
> > > > from around the world to
> > > > upgrade my collections.
> > > >
> > > > Imagine ...the Power!
> > > >
> > > > Like, like
> > > > cancelling The President of the United States
> > > > on Twitter!
> > > >
> > > > It's like being...GOD.
> > >
> > > They call it...Control Cancel
> > >
> > > Control: cancel ', $msgid, '
> > >
> > > fwrite( $nhd, "Control: cancel $msgid\r\n" );
> > >
> > > $inn_cancel && system("ctlinnd", "cancel", "<$msgid>");
> > >
> > > sprintf(buf2, "Control: cancel %sSubject: cmsg cancel %s", p, p);
> > >
> > > Control:%s\r\n\
> > >
> > > if (cancelling)
> > > showStatus("sent CANCEL #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> > > ", waiting for reply...", 0);
> > > else if (superseding)
> > > showStatus("sent SUPERSEDE #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> > > ", waiting for reply...", 0);
> > >
> > > absolute power corrupts absolutely
> > Keep in mind one thing...
> > Russia is using cyber war..
> > so they are flooding
> > political newsgroups.
> >
> > What happens when the flood reaches here?
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
> > > the unchallengeable.
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
>
> "Do you know who's in charge?"
>
> "Yeah."
>
> ....
there's no fuckin C.O. here...
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-09 06:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d54b5a17-67d6-4240-a858-2372f6c05899n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579845 |
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 4:13:35 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Ross A. Finlayson wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:58:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know
> > > > > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you
> > > > > > > > > > > > ever used one?
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between
> > > > > > > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols.
> > > > > > > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data
> > > > > > > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Step by step here...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard
> > > > > > > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A cancel bot.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup
> > > > > > > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will
> > > > > > > > > > ever shop up on Usenet.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this:
> > > > > > > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet
> > > > > > > > *anywhere*, and I'll
> > > > > > > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The last version of
> > > > > > > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you
> > > > > > > will find the complete source code included in all of the download
> > > > > > > archives.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from
> > > > > > > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so
> > > > > > > desire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a
> > > > > > key).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's
> > > > > > post with gibberish.
> > > > >
> > > > > called supersede..
> > > > >
> > > > > a little history..
> > > > > the first NewsAgent came out in 1997
> > > > > then..it was before Ver.0.1
> > > > > under a different name.
> > > > >
> > > > > I got that one! I got them all!
> > > > > Plus, I got all the little UDP scripts
> > > > > made by others.
> > > > >
> > > > > You know, the way some people collect stamps,
> > > > > butterflies, treeknots, comic books..I collect
> > > > > UDP scripts and programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I plan to contact
> > > > > nickle and dime coders
> > > > > from around the world to
> > > > > upgrade my collections.
> > > > >
> > > > > Imagine ...the Power!
> > > > >
> > > > > Like, like
> > > > > cancelling The President of the United States
> > > > > on Twitter!
> > > > >
> > > > > It's like being...GOD.
> > > >
> > > > They call it...Control Cancel
> > > >
> > > > Control: cancel ', $msgid, '
> > > >
> > > > fwrite( $nhd, "Control: cancel $msgid\r\n" );
> > > >
> > > > $inn_cancel && system("ctlinnd", "cancel", "<$msgid>");
> > > >
> > > > sprintf(buf2, "Control: cancel %sSubject: cmsg cancel %s", p, p);
> > > >
> > > > Control:%s\r\n\
> > > >
> > > > if (cancelling)
> > > > showStatus("sent CANCEL #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> > > > ", waiting for reply...", 0);
> > > > else if (superseding)
> > > > showStatus("sent SUPERSEDE #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> > > > ", waiting for reply...", 0);
> > > >
> > > > absolute power corrupts absolutely
> > > Keep in mind one thing...
> > > Russia is using cyber war..
> > > so they are flooding
> > > political newsgroups.
> > >
> > > What happens when the flood reaches here?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
> > > > the unchallengeable.
> > >
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > and challenge
> > > the unchallengeable.
> >
> > "Do you know who's in charge?"
> >
> > "Yeah."
> >
> > ....
> there's no fuckin C.O. here...
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge
> the unchallengeable.
There are lots of interpretations that mostly reflect the interpreter.
Here for example is that Willard and Kurtz are basically
that Willard _is_ Kurtz, in his quest, which is to redeem himself
and save Lance, after the human condition.
On the one hand the human condition is tragic,
but on the other it's ecstatic.
Now then for physics a philosophy, here it's
a mathematical science, fundamental and sublime.
Beyond relativity is beyond Newtonian as classical,
is for a total field theory and of goals Einstein shares
with us, all.
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-05 04:41 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <13fff2a2-fe39-4719-bb4f-988b00c913abn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579403 |
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 10:10:51 PM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Richard Hertz wrote:
> >
> > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > > > > > packets through the Internet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
> > > >
> > > > I meant this UDP...
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know
> > > how
> > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you
> > > ever used one?
> > > --
> > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > and challenge
> > > the unchallengeable.
> >
> > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between
> > unix hosts, with several routing protocols.
> > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data
> > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
> WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post!
>
> Step by step here...
>
> UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
>
> One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard
> DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups.
>
> You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever.
>
> A cancel bot.
>
> In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup
> anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will
> ever shop up on Usenet.
>
> UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
>
> here's a sample"
>
>
> Xref: feenix.metronet.com news.admin.technical:179
> Path:
> feenix.metronet.com!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!not-for-mail
> From: rs...@uunet.uu.net (Rich Salz)
> Newsgroups: news.admin.technical
> Subject: Usenet Death Penalty
> Date: 18 Aug 1993 20:06:50 -0400
> Organization: UUNET Communications
> Lines: 85
> Sender: zo...@ftp.UU.NET
> Approved: zo...@uunet.UU.NET
> Distribution: world
> Message-ID: <24ug6q...@ftp.UU.NET>
> NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
>
> Cancel wars seem to be on the rise. It's too bad people aren't more
> mature -- it's on the same level as urinating in the public swimming
> pool. At the risk of adding to the amount of waste, here is what some
> might consider to be the final word on the matter. It's a Perl script
> intended to be run as a real-time feed by INN. It should be able to
> cancel articles within seconds after they hit your site.
> /r$
>
> #! /usr/bin/perl
> ## Usenet death penalty; Rich $alz <rs...@uunet.uu.net>, April 93.
> ## Original name and concept by Eliot Lear, years ago.
> ##
> ## Typical use is via this entry in newsfeeds file:
> ## udp:*:Tc,WO:.../udp [flags] 'rsalz@.*.uu.net'
> ## Flags are '-global' to post cancel messages (default just removes
> ## articles from your local spool) and '-debug' to send cancels to
> ## stdout. First (and only) arg is Perl regexp to match against From
> ## line; to kill multiple people use the | meta-char.
>
>
> ## Parse JCL.
> $local = 1;
> $production = 1;
> args: while ( $_ = $ARGV[0], /^-/ ) {
> shift;
> if ( $_ eq '-debug' ) {
> $production = 0;
> next args;
> }
> if ( $_ eq '-global' ) {
> $local = 0;
> next args;
> }
> die 'Bad flag\n';
> }
> $who = shift || die 'Not enough args.\n';
> shift && die 'Too many args.\n';
>
>
> ## Set header values if we're going to be posting.
> if ( $local == 0 ) {
> $pathhost = `innconfval pathhost`;
> chop($pathhost);
> @pw = getpwuid($<);
> $canceller = $pathhost . '!' . $pw[0];
> ($sec, $min, $hour, $mday, $mon, $year, $wday, $yday, $isdst) =
> gmtime;
> $year += 1900;
> $monthname = substr('JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec', $mon *
> 3, 3);
> $date = "$mday $monthname $year $hour:$min:$sec GMT";
> }
>
>
> ## Main loop; process each line.
> line: while ( <STDIN> ) {
> next line unless ( $paths, $subj, $from, $xdate, $msgid ) =
> split('\t', $_);
> next line unless $from =~ /$who/io;
>
> if ( $local ) {
> foreach ( split(' ', $paths) ) {
> unlink $_
> || warn "Can't unlink $_ $!";
> }
> } else {
> open(FH, '|rnews') && select FH
> if $production;
> $myid = $msgid;
> $myid =~ s/</<cancel-/;
> print 'Newsgroups: news.admin
> Path: ', $canceller, '
> Subject: cmsg cancel ', $msgid, '
> Control: cancel ', $msgid, '
> From: ', $from, '
> Date: ', $date, '
> Message-ID: ', $myid, '
>
> ';
> close(FH)
> if $production;
> }
> }
> exit(0);
>
> ## lint noise:
> print $isdst + $wday + $yday + $subj + $xdate;
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge
> the unchallengeable.
These days there's also a very simple cryptographic token used to
basically associate the cancellation with a secret of sorts.
Of course, control messages don't actually, "do" anything.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-05 09:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <svvqmm$1qdb$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579399 |
On 3/3/2022 11:38 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: >> The Starmaker wrote: >>> >>> Richard Hertz wrote: >>>> >>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Richard Hertz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> <snip> >>>>>> >>>>>>> No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. >>>>>>> Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. >>>>>>> For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), >>>>>> and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your >>>>>> packets through the Internet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP >>>>>> that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. >>>>>> >>>>>> The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract >>>>>> a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection >>>>>> point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. >>>>>> >>>>>> The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his >>>>>> connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the >>>>>> IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. >>>>>> >>>>>> But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will >>>>>> be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of >>>>>> the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is >>>>>> a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which >>>>>> they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day >>>>>> connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), >>>>>> you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. >>>>>> >>>>>> For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP >>>>>> in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, >>>>>> is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching >>>>>> on their database of articles (or posts). >>>>>> >>>>>> You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, >>>>>> >>>>>> Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. >>>>> Do you know How to do a UDP? >>>>> -- >>>>> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, >>>>> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, >>>>> and challenge >>>>> the unchallengeable. >>>> >>>> Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. >>>> >>>> Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: >>>> >>>> https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP >>>> https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol >>> >>> I meant this UDP... >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty >> I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know >> how >> to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you >> ever used one? >> -- >> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, >> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, >> and challenge >> the unchallengeable. > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > Starfarter is trolling you. Starfarter's UDP "Usenet Death Penalty" was an attempt to create Usenet sanity by cancelling posts by abusive posters. The cancel software was itself abused, and for that reason many Usenet providers started to ignore cancel requests at all. While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol) was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection to a Usenet server, that is see what has been posted, read some posts, maybe post something etc.
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| From | Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 18:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t009pn$klu$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579491 |
Michael Moroney wrote: > While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol) > was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a > request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses > TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection > to a Usenet That's not what UDP is all about, you uneducated stupid *troll*. UDP *is* TCP, with a bit of modifications: *not_connection_oriented* (the connection drops after transmission) then *no_limiting_size* of the data packets. You fucking idiot. Ohh my, more facts Russia saving Europe from the nazis armed with nuclear weapons and bio_weapons. Since 2014. The ukrainians are putting heavy artillery in the middle of populated cities. War crimes, my friend. Overcoming The Fake News Narrative With The Truth On Vladimir Putin vs The New-Nazi World Order https://www.bitchute.com/video/faSkGT9Ybnnf/
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| From | Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 10:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1c18e74f-fda5-4f3a-9ada-77400b4791c9n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579491 |
El sábado, 5 de marzo de 2022 a las 11:05:15 UTC-3, Michael Moroney escribió: > On 3/3/2022 11:38 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol) > was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a > request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses > TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection > to a Usenet server, that is see what has been posted, read some posts, > maybe post something etc. That is right. About 10% of transport connections are UDP, serving DNS streaming multimedia apps (loss tolerant, rate sensitive), DNS, SNMP and HTTP/3 services.
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| From | Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 19:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t00co1$1o1o$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579529 |
Paparios wrote:
> El sábado, 5 de marzo de 2022 a las 11:05:15 UTC-3, Michael Moroney
> escribió:
>> On 3/3/2022 11:38 PM, Richard Hertz wrote:
>
>
>> While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol)
>> was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a
>> request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses
>> TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection
>> to a Usenet server, that is see what has been posted, read some posts,
>> maybe post something etc.
>
> That is right. About 10% of transport connections are UDP, serving DNS
> streaming multimedia apps (loss tolerant, rate sensitive),
> DNS, SNMP and HTTP/3 services.
Then how is he correct, you fucking stupid, when most transmission of
internet are UDP as you mention, especially DNS. In which context UDP is
superior TCP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
User_Datagram_Protocol#Comparison_of_UDP_and_TCP
User Datagram Protocol is a simpler message-based connectionless protocol.
Connectionless protocols do not set up a dedicated end-to-end connection.
Communication is achieved by transmitting information in one direction
from source to destination without verifying the readiness or state of the
receiver.
Unreliable (false, error correction on bit level) – When a UDP message
is sent, it cannot be known if it will reach its destination; it could get
lost along the way. There is no concept of acknowledgment, retransmission,
or timeout.
Not ordered – If two messages are sent to the same recipient, the
order in which they arrive cannot be guaranteed.
Lightweight – There is no ordering of messages, no tracking
connections, etc. It is a very simple transport layer designed on top of
IP.
Datagrams – Packets are sent individually and are checked for
integrity on arrival. Packets have definite boundaries which are honored
upon receipt; a read operation at the receiver socket will yield an entire
message as it was originally sent.
No congestion control – UDP itself does not avoid congestion.
Congestion control measures must be implemented at the application level
or in the network.
Broadcasts – being connectionless, UDP can broadcast - sent packets
can be addressed to be receivable by all devices on the subnet.
Multicast – a multicast mode of operation is supported whereby a
single datagram packet can be automatically routed without duplication to
a group of subscribers.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 11:31 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0c4f0fdd-e729-476c-8d24-225131820489n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579491 |
On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 3/3/2022 11:38 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: <snip> > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. <snip> > While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol) > was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a > request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses > TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection > to a Usenet server, that is see what has been posted, read some posts, > maybe post something etc. You have a dyslexia type text comprehension problem, because you don't get what you read. I wrote that, when Internet was in its infancy and bandwidth was scarce, UDP was the choice for real time data connections, because it didn't have the delay that was natural on TCP handshake and TCP sliding windows to implement ARQ and get data without losses. And it happened mostly for the entire decade of 1990, until long haul SDH links started to be deployed (first was FLAG at 2.5 Gbps, 1996). From 1996 to 2001, a rush to establish FO links around the globe at 2.5, 5 and 10 Gbps caused a surplus in offers that made the bubble to explode by 2001, sending the entire telecom market to a deep recession for 2 years. Only around 2003, considering that commercial Internet started in 1994 with MCI, there was enough CHEAP bandwidth for ISP to abandon complex routing protocols and work with OSPF. Cisco was, by then, a game changer with his technology to implement routing algorithms in hardware, making obsolete overnight MPLS and other technologies. The nascent YouTube had the chance to implement streams on TCP making UDP streaming obsolete. But, in the period 1995-2001, UDP was the king protocol for VoIP and primitive videoconference software, and the key was CODECS for audio and video, which matured between 1990 and 1994. Only around 1991, some university labs started to experiment seriously on real time audio and video streaming over Internet, but the first and most sucessful implementation of dial-up VoIP came from Israel by 1995, and was a worldwide sensation (based on UDP). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VocalTec VocalTec released the first ever Internet VoIP application in February 1995. The product was named Internet Phone but according to Wired magazine many people simply called it iPhone; and was the world's first VoIP software.[2][18] The software was invented by Alon Cohen and Lior Haramaty, the two co-founders of VocalTec Ltd.[1][19][20] At the base of the Internet Phone was the invention of Alon Cohen and Lior Haramaty named the "Audio Transceiver", which managed the dynamic jitter buffer that was critical for achieving adaptive lower possible audio latency along with handling packet loss, packet re-ordering, and receiver transmitter sample rate adjustments. The first implementation of the "Audio Transceiver" was carried out by Elad Sion.[3] Initial Public Offering VocalTec had an initial public offering on the NASDAQ on February 6, 1996. The company sold 2,500,000 shares for $19 a share. 1,750,00 shares were sold by the company and 750,000 were sold by selling shareholders including Elon Ganor, VocalTec's CEO and his brother in law, Ami Tal, through their holding of La Cresta International Trading Inc.[21] *********************************** And if StarMaker was trolling me, I didn't realize that, nor I didn't care. I know the history of Internet from the intellectual conception around 1963, and wrote several internal papers about it for private use, where I used to work, as White Papers to be used to start learning about such developments in the '80s and '90s. UDP has a use today in public telecom networks based on VoIP (NGN), with exchanges managing 10 million lines (consider that the biggest synchronous exchange had a limit of about 500,000 lines by 1996, and required 30 times the space than NGN switches). Critical real time information is based on UDP (5%).
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| From | Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 20:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t00fmh$1o1o$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579542 |
Richard Hertz wrote: >> While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol) >> was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a >> request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses >> TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection >> to a Usenet server, that is see what has been posted, read some posts, >> maybe post something etc. > > You have a dyslexia type text comprehension problem, because you don't > get what you read. > I wrote that, when Internet was in its infancy and bandwidth was scarce, > UDP was the choice for real time data connections, because it didn't > have the delay that was natural on TCP handshake and TCP sliding windows > to implement ARQ and get data without losses. absolutely, Morone doesn't know there are no *connections* on Internet. He is totally parallel to data communication. A deranged idiot with a mouth.
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| From | Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-06 14:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <t030u8$ag8$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579542 |
On 3/5/2022 2:31 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote: >> On 3/3/2022 11:38 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > <snip> > >>> Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between >>> unix hosts, with several routing protocols. >>> Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data >>> In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > <snip> > >> While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol) >> was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a >> request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses >> TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection >> to a Usenet server, that is see what has been posted, read some posts, >> maybe post something etc. > > You have a dyslexia type text comprehension problem, because you don't get what you read. > > I wrote that, when Internet was in its infancy and bandwidth was scarce, UDP was the choice for real time data connections, because > it didn't have the delay that was natural on TCP handshake and TCP sliding windows to implement ARQ and get data without losses. [bla bla bla] Again, you go on and on about something you know little about. The biggest user of bandwidth is content, the overhead of TCP/UDP relatively minor. TCP and UDP were both around from near the beginning, but their usage reasons are unchanged. UDP is used when simplicity or high efficiency (= speed) is needed. TCP is a connection which is maintained and modified if necessary. NTP (time sync) uses UDP for speed/efficiency. DNS can use either, UDP would be preferred for simple "What is IP address of X/IP address of X is Y". NNTP uses the complexity TCP handles. A private protocol we use was converted from using a private ethernet protocol to be usable on TCP/IP. Since it has its own synchronization/connection/failure logic it uses UDP since there is no need to do that twice nor rip out perfectly good code. > > And it happened mostly for the entire decade of 1990, until long haul SDH links started to be deployed (first was FLAG at 2.5 Gbps, 1996). > From 1996 to 2001, a rush to establish FO links around the globe at 2.5, 5 and 10 Gbps caused a surplus in offers that made the bubble > to explode by 2001, sending the entire telecom market to a deep recession for 2 years. > > Only around 2003, considering that commercial Internet started in 1994 with MCI, there was enough CHEAP bandwidth for ISP to abandon > complex routing protocols and work with OSPF. Cisco was, by then, a game changer with his technology to implement routing algorithms > in hardware, making obsolete overnight MPLS and other technologies. The nascent YouTube had the chance to implement streams on TCP > making UDP streaming obsolete. > > But, in the period 1995-2001, UDP was the king protocol for VoIP and primitive videoconference software, and the key was CODECS for > audio and video, which matured between 1990 and 1994. > > Only around 1991, some university labs started to experiment seriously on real time audio and video streaming over Internet, but the > first and most sucessful implementation of dial-up VoIP came from Israel by 1995, and was a worldwide sensation (based on UDP). > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VocalTec > > > VocalTec released the first ever Internet VoIP application in February 1995. The product was named Internet Phone but according to Wired magazine many people simply called it iPhone; and was the world's first VoIP software.[2][18] My office VOIP phone has 1 TCP and several UDP ports open, excluding configuration (web/TCP) ports
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| From | Ober Corn <nm@cvslm.ca> |
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| Date | 2022-03-06 21:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t03830$18te$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579622 |
Michael Moroney wrote: > A private protocol we use was converted from using a private ethernet > protocol to be usable on TCP/IP. Since it has its own > synchronization/connection/failure logic it uses UDP since there is no > need to do that twice nor rip out perfectly good code. The ethernet is another business bellow TCP, my friend, pushing the eastern europe into war. Only eastern europe have russian jets, the ukrainian nazis are looking for. Fuck, not even a nato country, making aircraft war demands. What the fuck is going on here. The hungarians, slovak, poland etc are going to pay big money for what the nazi ukraine gets for free. US gives NATO countries ‘green light’ to provide fighter jets to Ukraine https://www.rt.com/news/551375-blinken-fighter-jets-ukraine/ "US Secretary of State Tony Blinken told CBS News on Sunday that Washington has given a “green light” to NATO members to supply Ukraine with fighter jets, and that the US would work to replace any jets sent to Kiev."
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-06 14:09 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <a3327a4b-0f35-44f4-be45-aaef92f6a99dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579622 |
On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 11:10:06 AM UTC-8, Michael Moroney wrote: > On 3/5/2022 2:31 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Saturday, March 5, 2022 at 11:05:15 AM UTC-3, Michael Moroney wrote: > >> On 3/3/2022 11:38 PM, Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > >>> Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > >>> unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > >>> Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > >>> In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > > > <snip> > > > >> While what you posted is mostly nonsense, UDP (User Datagram Protocol) > >> was and is a method to perform simple network action like "send a > >> request, get a response, done" without the complexity of TCP. NNTP uses > >> TCP, not UDP, since most people do many things with a single connection > >> to a Usenet server, that is see what has been posted, read some posts, > >> maybe post something etc. > > > > You have a dyslexia type text comprehension problem, because you don't get what you read. > > > > I wrote that, when Internet was in its infancy and bandwidth was scarce, UDP was the choice for real time data connections, because > > it didn't have the delay that was natural on TCP handshake and TCP sliding windows to implement ARQ and get data without losses. > [bla bla bla] > > Again, you go on and on about something you know little about. The > biggest user of bandwidth is content, the overhead of TCP/UDP relatively > minor. TCP and UDP were both around from near the beginning, but their > usage reasons are unchanged. UDP is used when simplicity or high > efficiency (= speed) is needed. TCP is a connection which is maintained > and modified if necessary. NTP (time sync) uses UDP for > speed/efficiency. DNS can use either, UDP would be preferred for simple > "What is IP address of X/IP address of X is Y". NNTP uses the complexity > TCP handles. > > A private protocol we use was converted from using a private ethernet > protocol to be usable on TCP/IP. Since it has its own > synchronization/connection/failure logic it uses UDP since there is no > need to do that twice nor rip out perfectly good code. > > > > And it happened mostly for the entire decade of 1990, until long haul SDH links started to be deployed (first was FLAG at 2.5 Gbps, 1996). > > From 1996 to 2001, a rush to establish FO links around the globe at 2.5, 5 and 10 Gbps caused a surplus in offers that made the bubble > > to explode by 2001, sending the entire telecom market to a deep recession for 2 years. > > > > Only around 2003, considering that commercial Internet started in 1994 with MCI, there was enough CHEAP bandwidth for ISP to abandon > > complex routing protocols and work with OSPF. Cisco was, by then, a game changer with his technology to implement routing algorithms > > in hardware, making obsolete overnight MPLS and other technologies. The nascent YouTube had the chance to implement streams on TCP > > making UDP streaming obsolete. > > > > But, in the period 1995-2001, UDP was the king protocol for VoIP and primitive videoconference software, and the key was CODECS for > > audio and video, which matured between 1990 and 1994. > > > > Only around 1991, some university labs started to experiment seriously on real time audio and video streaming over Internet, but the > > first and most sucessful implementation of dial-up VoIP came from Israel by 1995, and was a worldwide sensation (based on UDP). > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VocalTec > > > > > > VocalTec released the first ever Internet VoIP application in February 1995. The product was named Internet Phone but according to Wired magazine many people simply called it iPhone; and was the world's first VoIP software.[2][18] > My office VOIP phone has 1 TCP and several UDP ports open, excluding > configuration (web/TCP) ports Packets is frames
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <svir7p$v1p$5@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579076 |
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 3:37:29 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: >> Richard Hertz wrote: >>> >>> Some gems found by digging in old posts from this forums. What a >>> difference 9 years make on some people's mind. >>> I think I'll c&p some, which I find very telling about posters: >>> ................. >>> >>> Bodkin, 2013: >>> >>> "A physicist is someone who earns their degree from a university. With >>> a major in physics, right? >>> From the people that I've talked with, being a physicist usually >>> involves getting a degree higher than >>> baccalaureate. Usually doctoral, sometimes masters. I don't know anyone >>> who has successfully >>> pursued a career in physics with just a bachelor's in physics. Do you?" >>> .............. >> He's always talking about himself.. >> >> I mean, it's about Him, right? >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=of8f7Kj1yiE >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, >> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, >> and challenge >> the unchallengeable. > > Another gem, now from 2017: > > What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/NNQLGf7sb4I/m/thSy5L2wAAAJ > > "I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who are not > even comfortable with the concepts of 19th century physics, let alone > 20th century physics, and these people prefer to just speculate and > argue about what "feels right" to them, justified or not." > > "I'm aware that there are a number of people on this group who think 19th > century physics (the "classical" physics of Newton and Kelvin and > Maxwell) is still the best model, and that physics went astray with > relativity and quantum mechanics and basically anything that says > classical physics is off a bit." > > "But what's interesting to me is that, with some of the reading that I've > done over the last decade, even the "modern physics" of the 20th century > has been left behind for newer and much different ideas." > > ************************************* > > "Well, I would quibble about it being "just math". Fields are very real. > The properties of empty space are very real. And symmetry is very real. > All of these are PHYSICAL concepts. Just different ones. Not the ones of > our everyday worldview or our common sense. > > Our common sense minds are just focused on the wrong things." > > ************************************* > > HE KNOWS EVERYTHING OF ANYTHING. Don’t be silly. I just know something about relativity and other areas of physics, including quantum field theory. That is by no means EVERYTHING of ANYTHING. I know very little electrical engineering, for example, and you won’t see me saying much about it. I know next to nothing about nursing or architecture or organic chemistry or corporate law or ancient East Asian history, and dozens of other topics I say nothing about. I think you’re the one that’s been claiming that engineers know all the important things about any technology that matters. So I gather you want the “EVERYTHING OF ANYTHING” expertise claim for yourself? > > > > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-06 23:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <431e60bc-7b85-48c6-8807-ab43c4571d84n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579102 |
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: <snip> > Don’t be silly. > I just know something about relativity and other areas of physics, including quantum field theory. > > That is by no means EVERYTHING of ANYTHING. > > I know very little electrical engineering, for example, and you won’t see me saying much about it. Bodkin, after thinking about it thoroughly, I came to a final conclusion: *** You was, are and always will be a fucking retarded pretending to be "The Physics Teacher of Internet". And, by the way, Moroney assists you with such innecessary activity. You should stick writing books for children. ********************************** Odd Bodkin wrote, on Dec 2, 2015, 12:34:49 PM > […] In the sky, the blue frequencies are SCATTERED, not refracted, and the other colors are not scattered at all. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn reply: Incorrect. Air just scatters blue light *more* than visible light of longer wavelengths. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_sky_radiation#Color> ********************************** Your legacy to future retarded is secured in more than 10,000 posts with crap like the above. Why don't you give up and start to REALLY sandpaper and paint wood furniture, asshole? You are just a pretentious charlatan.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-06 23:10 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0dd3d5a4-9fbb-4294-991c-f597625c1aden@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579658 |
On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 4:09:00 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > <snip> > > Don’t be silly. > > I just know something about relativity and other areas of physics, including quantum field theory. > > > > That is by no means EVERYTHING of ANYTHING. > > > > I know very little electrical engineering, for example, and you won’t see me saying much about it. > > Bodkin, after thinking about it thoroughly, I came to a final conclusion: > > *** You was, are and always will be a fucking retarded pretending to be "The Physics Teacher of Internet". > > And, by the way, Moroney assists you with such innecessary activity. You should stick writing books for children. > > > ********************************** > Odd Bodkin wrote, on Dec 2, 2015, 12:34:49 PM > > > […] In the sky, the blue frequencies are SCATTERED, not refracted, and the other colors are not scattered at all. > > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn reply: Incorrect. Air just scatters blue light *more* than visible light of longer wavelengths. > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_sky_radiation#Color> > ********************************** > > Your legacy to future retarded is secured in more than 10,000 posts with crap like the above. > > Why don't you give up and start to REALLY sandpaper and paint wood furniture, asshole? > > You are just a pretentious charlatan. I forgot to post this, imbecile: What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/NNQLGf7sb4I/m/ZdROPaKwAAAJ
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-07 15:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t056p1$1q6g$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579659 |
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I forgot to post this, imbecile: > > What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/NNQLGf7sb4I/m/ZdROPaKwAAAJ > > And what’s your problem with that post? -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-07 07:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <1cc9916e-5701-49de-b319-a68acde3d085n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579675 |
On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 7:01:57 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I forgot to post this, imbecile: > > > > What modern physics is really about, from a woodworker's view > > https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/NNQLGf7sb4I/m/ZdROPaKwAAAJ > > > > > And what’s your problem with that post? > -- > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables The thread had reached 54 posts, which is a full deck and two jokers. Now it's gone.
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-07 15:01 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t056p0$1q6g$1@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579658 |
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 12:54:36 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > <snip> > >> Don’t be silly. >> I just know something about relativity and other areas of physics, >> including quantum field theory. >> >> That is by no means EVERYTHING of ANYTHING. >> >> I know very little electrical engineering, for example, and you won’t >> see me saying much about it. > > Bodkin, after thinking about it thoroughly, I came to a final conclusion: > > *** You was, are and always will be a fucking retarded pretending to be > "The Physics Teacher of Internet". Don’t be silly. I have always advocated that people read books, as I have done. I have no intention of teaching physics as a replacement for that. Now, I understand that a lot of people like you find zillions of excuses for not doing that, and your little diatribe is just another deflection to avoid that. > > And, by the way, Moroney assists you with such innecessary activity. You > should stick writing books for children. > > > ********************************** > Odd Bodkin wrote, on Dec 2, 2015, 12:34:49 PM > >> […] In the sky, the blue frequencies are SCATTERED, not refracted, and >> the other colors are not scattered at all. > > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn reply: Incorrect. Air just scatters blue light > *more* than visible light of longer wavelengths. > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffuse_sky_radiation#Color> > ********************************** > > Your legacy to future retarded is secured in more than 10,000 posts with > crap like the above. > > Why don't you give up and start to REALLY sandpaper and paint wood furniture, asshole? I *do* sandpaper, rarely paint. I take it that you would rather I *only* do that? Why? Did you do nothing but engineering while you were an engineer? > > You are just a pretentious charlatan. What do you think I’m pretending to be? > > > > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 03:28 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <919ece92-7a3a-4471-b4e5-ba46ce1e7703n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579674 |
On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 12:01:56 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > You are just a pretentious charlatan.
> What do you think I’m pretending to be?
In these years, apparently I failed to define what you pretend to be:
1) A vain "supreme thinker", whose stack of knowledge has no top nor bottom.
2) A vain "IKEA man": I Know Everything on Anything". An egomaniac and also a mythomaniac.
3) An self-entitled self-learner: "What? The color of electrons?": "Give me one week to read a book about it, and
I'll even discuss the matter with the author".
4) A liar and a deceiver, proud of the castle of cards that you THINK you built around your Internet persona.
5) A tortured person, in dispair to compensate what did wrong when choosing education: Philosophy wasn't for you.
6) An obsessive person, relentlessly filling hollows in your soul with thousands of written words every single day.
7) A frustrated science divulgator.
8) ........
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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-08 14:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t07nsh$8tc$2@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579761 |
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote: > On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 12:01:56 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: >> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: > > <snip> > >>> You are just a pretentious charlatan. > >> What do you think I’m pretending to be? > > In these years, apparently I failed to define what you pretend to be: Well, well, such flinging about. And what are YOU? What do you think you are conveying about yourself? > > 1) A vain "supreme thinker", whose stack of knowledge has no top nor bottom. > > 2) A vain "IKEA man": I Know Everything on Anything". An egomaniac and also a mythomaniac. > > 3) An self-entitled self-learner: "What? The color of electrons?": "Give > me one week to read a book about it, and > I'll even discuss the matter with the author". > > 4) A liar and a deceiver, proud of the castle of cards that you THINK you > built around your Internet persona. > > 5) A tortured person, in dispair to compensate what did wrong when > choosing education: Philosophy wasn't for you. > > 6) An obsessive person, relentlessly filling hollows in your soul with > thousands of written words every single day. > > 7) A frustrated science divulgator. > > 8) ........ > > -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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