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| Started by | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| First post | 2022-02-26 12:30 -0800 |
| Last post | 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000 |
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Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 12:30 -0800
Cretin Pat Dolan flunks basic exercise "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 12:38 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-02-26 20:50 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 21:25 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-02-26 22:02 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 22:16 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Effego Banos <uiwa@nntcpatc.jp> - 2022-02-27 12:59 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 21:25 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 15:58 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 16:01 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 13:27 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:42 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 14:45 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-02-27 16:42 +0100
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 08:07 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-02-27 17:20 +0100
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 08:22 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-02-27 18:11 +0100
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 15:29 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 09:16 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 00:17 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 16:22 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 16:25 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-27 02:22 +0100
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 18:35 -0800
Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 18:54 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 19:37 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 20:00 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 20:49 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 22:50 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 22:57 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-02-27 02:25 -0500
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:26 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 14:43 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 14:45 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:52 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 19:45 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 15:25 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 16:23 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 16:43 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 18:44 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 19:06 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 19:27 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-28 20:46 -0800
"Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-01 10:28 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-01 10:39 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-01 10:53 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-01 20:02 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-01 21:00 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-01 21:15 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-01 20:36 +0100
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-01 12:28 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-02 10:47 +0100
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 01:51 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-02 11:41 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-04 21:20 +0100
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-04 21:46 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-05 11:36 +0000
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-03-05 09:03 -0600
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 09:57 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-05 12:01 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 12:16 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-03-05 21:25 +0100
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 22:51 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 07:37 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-07 12:03 -0500
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 09:39 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 20:06 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-07 20:54 -0800
Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-08 01:45 -0500
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 08:59 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 17:03 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 09:27 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 17:41 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 09:56 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 18:14 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 18:14 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 20:15 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 04:22 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 12:18 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 12:47 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 21:02 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 13:35 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 21:51 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 22:28 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 16:09 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 16:52 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 01:11 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 17:30 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 02:14 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 17:50 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 18:01 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 18:12 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 02:14 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 18:20 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 02:24 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 18:39 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 19:05 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 19:19 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 19:35 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 03:47 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 18:50 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-28 18:57 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 03:15 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 21:02 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 07:44 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 07:49 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-02-27 15:05 -0500
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 20:13 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-02-27 15:18 +0100
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:32 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-02-27 20:02 +0100
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:33 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 14:43 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:46 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:50 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 19:38 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 15:28 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 07:44 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 07:47 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 19:45 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-27 06:44 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 22:55 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 23:05 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 23:11 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-02-26 23:16 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 07:28 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 13:47 +0000
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 06:07 -0800
Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-26 20:41 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 12:09 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 13:47 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-26 22:32 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 13:27 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 13:27 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-02-27 22:06 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 22:11 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-02-27 22:46 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-02-27 20:04 -0600
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-28 03:53 +0100
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 21:49 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-02-28 12:04 +0000
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-02-28 15:02 +0100
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 09:48 -0800
Re: Yet Another Man Who Broke Relativity Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-27 18:44 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit |
| Message-ID | <d1aaa9e2-0d88-4fdd-a7d3-41625339423fn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579058 |
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:43:59 PM UTC-8, cretin pat dolan wrote: > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-8, Dono. wrote: > > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:25:10 PM UTC-8, cretin pat dolan wrote: > > > > > BUT when she calculates the sti for John in HER co-moving coordinate system she uses 1m between the two spark events. Isn't this obvious when gamma = 2? If not, why not? > > Because Mary, unlike the cretin Pat Dolan, doen't use length contraction, she uses the full Lorentz transform, as explained many times to cretin Pat Dolan. >Therefore Mary is entitled and required to use 1m when calculating John's sti between the two spark events. > ...and this is exactly what makes you a cretin. You were born a cretin, your only consolation is that you will die one.
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| From | patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2022-02-27 19:06 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit |
| Message-ID | <2970ede3-2aca-49b6-b58f-5470d66a2134n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579064 |
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:44:39 PM UTC-8, Dono. wrote: > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:43:59 PM UTC-8, cretin pat dolan wrote: > > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-8, Dono. wrote: > > > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:25:10 PM UTC-8, cretin pat dolan wrote: > > > > > > > BUT when she calculates the sti for John in HER co-moving coordinate system she uses 1m between the two spark events. Isn't this obvious when gamma = 2? If not, why not? > > > Because Mary, unlike the cretin Pat Dolan, doen't use length contraction, she uses the full Lorentz transform What a ridiculous contention! Show us how she does this USING NUMBERS, not algebraic symbolism. You are claiming that the calculation of spacetime intervals is only legitimate when calculated from the point of view of one special co-moving coordinate system. Answer me this Dono, what is so special about John's co-moving coordinate system, that Mary must transform to it? A spacetime interval is supposed to be invariant no matter who calculates it. Why shouldn't John have to transform to Mary's co-moving coordinate system to calculate sti's? , as explained many times to cretin Pat Dolan. > >Therefore Mary is entitled and required to use 1m when calculating John's sti between the two spark events. > > > ...and this is exactly what makes you a cretin. You were born a cretin, your only consolation is that you will die one.
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| From | "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-27 19:27 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit |
| Message-ID | <b336fec0-eb8f-4918-bf8f-8bd5c2a82af0n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579068 |
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 7:06:33 PM UTC-8, cretin pat dolan kept struggling with basic concepts: > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 6:44:39 PM UTC-8, Dono. wrote: > > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:43:59 PM UTC-8, cretin pat dolan wrote: > > > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 4:23:45 PM UTC-8, Dono. wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 3:25:10 PM UTC-8, cretin pat dolan wrote: > > > > > > > > > BUT when she calculates the sti for John in HER co-moving coordinate system she uses 1m between the two spark events. Isn't this obvious when gamma = 2? If not, why not? > > > > Because Mary, unlike the cretin Pat Dolan, doen't use length contraction, she uses the full Lorentz transform > What a ridiculous contention! Show us how she does this USING NUMBERS, not algebraic symbolism. You are claiming that the calculation of spacetime intervals is only legitimate when calculated from the point of view of one special co-moving coordinate system. > > Answer me this Dono, what is so special about John's co-moving coordinate system, that Mary must transform to it? A spacetime interval is supposed to be invariant no matter who calculates it. > There is nothing special about any reference frame. The problem is that you are an imbecile who cannot and would not learn how to calculate a simple spacetime interval. Do not worry, you were born this way, you will die this way. > Why shouldn't John have to transform to Mary's co-moving coordinate system to calculate sti's? One could go the other way and the result would be that spacetime intervals, when calculated by people who know relativity, are frame invariant. You will never manage to do this calculation because you are a natural imbecile. Don't worry, you were born this way, this is how you will die. You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-02-28 20:46 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: Pat Dolan's full of shit |
| Message-ID | <621DA53B.1CF5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579069 |
Dono. wrote: >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. I cannot get pass the Title of the book... what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with space or time? There is no evidence spacetime exist. Or time itself... or space. Spacetime is a madeup idea. nothing to do with real physics. You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. There is nothing physics about spacetime. or wristwatch time... Wristwatchtime Physics. are you people kidding???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 10:28 -0800 |
| Subject | "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621E65CA.14E6@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579170 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Dono. wrote: > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > space or time? > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > Or time itself... > > or space. > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > nothing to do with real physics. > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > or wristwatch time... > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > are you people kidding???? According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their students pockets... "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 10:39 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621E685A.67A6@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579206 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Dono. wrote: > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > space or time? > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > Or time itself... > > > > or space. > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > are you people kidding???? > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > students pockets... > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler What i don't understand is...why does the Odd Bodkin have such a hard time explaining what 'Proper Time' is? It is the time on your wristwatch! It's that simple. If you still don't understand what proper time is, it means you have brain damage. Absorb the words...wristwatch. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 10:53 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621E6BA9.740B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579207 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > students pockets... > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > What i don't understand is...why does the Odd Bodkin have such a hard time explaining what 'Proper Time' is? > > It is the time on your wristwatch! > > It's that simple. > > If you still don't understand what proper time is, it means you have brain damage. > > Absorb the words...wristwatch. So, Edwin F. Taylor has this opportunity to sell any textbook he writes to a a market of college students all over the world that is monopoly controlled. (Professors and teachers will be bribed) Then he begins to write his book but he cannot think of what to write... he looks at his wristwatch... (good thing he didn't look at his dog first...) time to feed the dog.. dogtime phyics! I'M A FUCKIN GENUIS!!!! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 20:02 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621EEC4B.529C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579209 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > > students pockets... > > > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > > > What i don't understand is...why does the Odd Bodkin have such a hard time explaining what 'Proper Time' is? > > > > It is the time on your wristwatch! > > > > It's that simple. > > > > If you still don't understand what proper time is, it means you have brain damage. > > > > Absorb the words...wristwatch. > > So, Edwin F. Taylor has this opportunity > to sell any textbook he writes to a > a market of college students all > over the world that is monopoly controlled. > > (Professors and teachers will be bribed) > > Then he begins to write his book but > he cannot think of what to write... > he looks at his wristwatch... > > (good thing he didn't look at his dog first...) > > time to feed the dog.. dogtime phyics! I'M A FUCKIN GENUIS!!!! What about ..Cuckoo Clock time???? I mean it was the most precise timekeeper in Albert's Einstein time... better than that stupid "wristwatch time" Edwin F. Taylor came up with off the cuff. I mean, really, "wristwatch time"? dat sounds a little cuckoo to me... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 21:00 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621EF9F5.49B0@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579234 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > > > students pockets... > > > > > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > > > > > What i don't understand is...why does the Odd Bodkin have such a hard time explaining what 'Proper Time' is? > > > > > > It is the time on your wristwatch! > > > > > > It's that simple. > > > > > > If you still don't understand what proper time is, it means you have brain damage. > > > > > > Absorb the words...wristwatch. > > > > So, Edwin F. Taylor has this opportunity > > to sell any textbook he writes to a > > a market of college students all > > over the world that is monopoly controlled. > > > > (Professors and teachers will be bribed) > > > > Then he begins to write his book but > > he cannot think of what to write... > > he looks at his wristwatch... > > > > (good thing he didn't look at his dog first...) > > > > time to feed the dog.. dogtime phyics! I'M A FUCKIN GENUIS!!!! > > What about ..Cuckoo Clock time???? > > I mean it was the most precise timekeeper in Albert's Einstein time... wait a minute..., just wait a minute... i think i stumbled unto something here... When Einstein mentions Clocks in relativity...what kind of clock did he used???? wait a minute..., just wait a minute... i think i stumbled unto something here... German... German clock... Cuckoo Clock???? i think i stumbled unto something here... When Einstein mentions Clocks in relativity...what kind of clock did he used???? it had to be the most precise timekeeper in Albert's Einstein time... i think i stumbled unto something here... When Einstein mentions Clocks in relativity...what kind of clock did he used???? Cuckoo Cuckoo Cuckoo -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 21:15 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621EFD78.60AB@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579236 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > > > > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > > > > students pockets... > > > > > > > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > > > > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > > > > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > > > > > > > What i don't understand is...why does the Odd Bodkin have such a hard time explaining what 'Proper Time' is? > > > > > > > > It is the time on your wristwatch! > > > > > > > > It's that simple. > > > > > > > > If you still don't understand what proper time is, it means you have brain damage. > > > > > > > > Absorb the words...wristwatch. > > > > > > So, Edwin F. Taylor has this opportunity > > > to sell any textbook he writes to a > > > a market of college students all > > > over the world that is monopoly controlled. > > > > > > (Professors and teachers will be bribed) > > > > > > Then he begins to write his book but > > > he cannot think of what to write... > > > he looks at his wristwatch... > > > > > > (good thing he didn't look at his dog first...) > > > > > > time to feed the dog.. dogtime phyics! I'M A FUCKIN GENUIS!!!! > > > > What about ..Cuckoo Clock time???? > > > > I mean it was the most precise timekeeper in Albert's Einstein time... > > wait a minute..., just wait a minute... > > i think i stumbled unto something here... > > When Einstein mentions Clocks in relativity...what kind of clock did he > used???? > > wait a minute..., just wait a minute... > > i think i stumbled unto something here... > > German... > German clock... > > Cuckoo Clock???? > > i think i stumbled unto something here... > > When Einstein mentions Clocks in relativity...what kind of clock did he > used???? > > it had to be the most precise timekeeper in Albert's Einstein time... > > i think i stumbled unto something here... > > When Einstein mentions Clocks in relativity...what kind of clock did he > used???? > > Cuckoo > Cuckoo > Cuckoo > Just as I don't recall *anyone* here using the term "wristwatch time".. ( i can understand your embarrassment..) I don't recall *anyone* here mentioning what type of clock albert einstein used... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 20:36 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <1po5nfl.1nf01yi4nwcjrN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #579206 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: [-] > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! As long you don't swing your arms too violently, Jan
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-01 12:28 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621E81E5.2F1C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579210 |
J. J. Lodder wrote: > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > [-] > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > As long you don't swing your arms too violently, > > Jan Oh, you're a dancer too! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2022-03-02 10:47 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <1po6ovs.jpvoup1n8gqr2N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #579206 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Dono. wrote: > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > space or time? > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > Or time itself... > > > > or space. > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > are you people kidding???? > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > students pockets... > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? Sure. You've got a dumb watch. Get an Apple Watch. It will lock to the time on your iPhone, which will lock to network time, which is locked to UTC, which is locked to TAI, which is proper time for all of us. (up to relativistic corrections) See, it is simple. You may now even swing your arms, Jan
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-02 01:51 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <6cf9212a-6c90-44fc-9dec-7403a7b3c29dn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579243 |
On Wednesday, 2 March 2022 at 10:47:39 UTC+1, J. J. Lodder wrote: > The Starmaker <star...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > students pockets... > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > Sure. You've got a dumb watch. Get an Apple Watch. > It will lock to the time on your iPhone, > which will lock to network time, > which is locked to UTC, > which is locked to TAI, > which is proper time for all of us. Instead this moronic "proper" time announced by your moronic religion. > (up to relativistic corrections) Up to "relativistic" corrections forbidden by your moronic guru, your moronic Holiest Postulate, your moronic ISO and your moronic fellow Tom Roberts.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-02 11:41 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <621FC875.1F99@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579243 |
J. J. Lodder wrote: > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > students pockets... > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > Sure. You've got a dumb watch. Get an Apple Watch. > It will lock to the time on your iPhone, > which will lock to network time, > which is locked to UTC, > which is locked to TAI, > which is proper time for all of us. > (up to relativistic corrections) > > See, it is simple. > You may now even swing your arms, > > Jan Oh, I get it..you updated "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler to "Apple Watch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler Apple Watch time is Proper Time, is that correct, Jan? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 21:20 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <1poamp3.1nbcdqr10mqquoN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #579279 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > > students pockets... > > > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > > > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > > > Sure. You've got a dumb watch. Get an Apple Watch. > > It will lock to the time on your iPhone, > > which will lock to network time, > > which is locked to UTC, > > which is locked to TAI, > > which is proper time for all of us. > > (up to relativistic corrections) > > > > See, it is simple. > > You may now even swing your arms, > > > > Jan > > Oh, I get it..you updated > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by > Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler to > > "Apple Watch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by > Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > > Apple Watch time is Proper Time, is that correct, Jan? Nope. It is TAI. That is the -average- Proper Time for all of us. (as measured by atomic clocks in standards laboratories) There will be tiny, but observable differences if you carry an atomic clock along with you, like Hafele and Keating did. Subtleties like these are not suitable subjects for an introductory textbook such as Taylor and Wheeler. Jan
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-04 21:46 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <6222F952.484B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579455 |
J. J. Lodder wrote: > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > J. J. Lodder wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dono. wrote: > > > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book... > > > > > > > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with > > > > > > > > > > space or time? > > > > > > > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist. > > > > > > > > > > Or time itself... > > > > > > > > > > or space. > > > > > > > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea. > > > > > > > > > > nothing to do with real physics. > > > > > > > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime. > > > > > > > > > > or wristwatch time... > > > > > > > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics. > > > > > > > > > > are you people kidding???? > > > > > > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their > > > > students pockets... > > > > > > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." > > > > > > > > > > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch! > > > > > > > > > > > > My wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time? > > > > > > Sure. You've got a dumb watch. Get an Apple Watch. > > > It will lock to the time on your iPhone, > > > which will lock to network time, > > > which is locked to UTC, > > > which is locked to TAI, > > > which is proper time for all of us. > > > (up to relativistic corrections) > > > > > > See, it is simple. > > > You may now even swing your arms, > > > > > > Jan > > > > Oh, I get it..you updated > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by > > Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler to > > > > "Apple Watch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by > > Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler > > > > > > Apple Watch time is Proper Time, is that correct, Jan? > > Nope. It is TAI. That is the -average- Proper Time for all of us. > (as measured by atomic clocks in standards laboratories) > There will be tiny, but observable differences > if you carry an atomic clock along with you, > like Hafele and Keating did. > > Subtleties like these are not suitable subjects > for an introductory textbook such as Taylor and Wheeler. > > Jan What do you mean..."Nope."???? According to: Spacetime Physics (Taylor and Wheeler) https://phys.libretexts.org/Under_Construction/Spacetime_Physics_(Taylor_and_Wheeler)/01%3A_Spacetime-_Overview/1.03%3A_Events_and_Intervals_Alone "In this book we often call the proper time the wristwatch time..." And according to Einstein more accurate description... the time on your very own watch is the proper time. So that would have to mean your Apple Watch (on your own wrist) time is the Proper Time. Or, the time on your very own Apple wristwatch is the Proper Time. Does Spacetime Physics ( by Taylor and Wheeler) belong in the garbage can???? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 11:36 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <baX074qsZULYB4yC9p1cb96tb2E@jntp> |
| In reply to | #579480 |
Le 05/03/2022 à 06:46, The Starmaker a écrit : > is a proper time Proper time is something quite easy to understand. I don't know if one can speak of better clock, or better time or absolute time. We know today that there is no absolute frame of reference. Let's take three clocks, one fixed, and two others sent on each side at v=0.5c. The central watch will see the chronotropy two other watches beat less quickly according to t'=t.sqrt(1-0.5²). But the two watches will reciprocally see the central watch beat less quickly. This is already quite confusing (which created the Langevin paradox that no one in the world has ever been able to solve except by a big mouth but without much effect, except me, who has a big mouth but also big arms) . We will then say to ourselves: "But at least between them, the two watches beat in the same way, since ejected in the same way and at the same speed". Not at all! Each sees the other which reciprocally beats less quickly depending on, this time t'=t.sqrt(1-0.8²) So yes, each watch has its own time. But to say that there is a true time, or an absolute time, is already to engage in discussions that are useless for the moment. It is the same for an absolute space. What is the measure of space (or the length of a thing, it's the same) if an infinite number of observers measure an infinite number of possible lengths? An observer present on earth will say that the moon is about 300,000 km from the earth. Another observer who will go straight on the earth-moon axis at 0.8 c, will find 900,000 kms (that's THREE times more, don't rub your eyes, that's what I wrote, and that's is LIKE THIS that must be calculated), another observer, who flees this axis at 0.6c, for example, will see an earth-moon distance of 150,000 kms (twice less, this time). Which of the three observers is right? The three. It is as if I measure the visual angle on which a man is seen standing on the beach. I measure it at thirty meters, sixty meters, and one hundred meters. The further I go, the smaller the angle becomes. But what is the right angle? Is there an absolute angle? Should we look for an absolute angle, an absolute time, a "true" distance in the reality of things? R.H.
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| From | Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 09:03 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
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| In reply to | #579480 |
On 3/4/22 11:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote: > According to: Spacetime Physics (Taylor and Wheeler) > https://phys.libretexts.org/Under_Construction/Spacetime_Physics_(Taylor_and_Wheeler)/01%3A_Spacetime-_Overview/1.03%3A_Events_and_Intervals_Alone > > "In this book we often call the proper time the wristwatch time..." > > And according to Einstein more accurate description... > > the time on your very own watch is the proper time. > > > So that would have to mean your Apple Watch (on your own wrist) time > is the Proper Time. > > > Or, the time on your very own Apple wristwatch is the Proper Time. Nope. The Apple watch ultimately gets its time from Apple timeservers, which accurately repeat UTC obtained from the GPS [#]. So it does NOT display its own proper time, it displays UTC. [#] GPS time is not UTC. But GPS messages include the conversion, which is the current number of leap seconds between GPS time and UTC. The wristwatch referred to by Taylor and Wheeler is itself a clock, not a repeater of UTC. Every clock displays its own proper time, with a given accuracy and resolution. Apple watches are not clocks, they are repeaters of UTC. For its intended use, the Apple approach is better, because it is VASTLY more accurate, especially over long times (months to years). But that approach was not available when _Spacetime_Physics_ was written. (The presence of a local clock inside the watch does not change this, as that clock is steered via NTP to display UTC, not proper time.) Tom Roberts
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| From | Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-03-05 09:57 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." |
| Message-ID | <91542b25-92bd-4f48-9f5b-388aae68e5e8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579493 |
On Saturday, 5 March 2022 at 16:03:38 UTC+1, tjrob137 wrote: > Nope. The Apple watch ultimately gets its time from Apple timeservers, > which accurately repeat UTC obtained from the GPS [#]. So it does NOT > display its own proper time, it displays UTC. Too bad for your BEST WAY we're allegedly FORCED to, poor halfbrain.
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