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  about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-28 12:08 -0800
    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 20:26 +0000
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-28 12:53 -0800
        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 14:22 -0800
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 18:26 -0800
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 03:32 +0000
            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 03:36 +0000
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 19:57 -0800
                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 20:05 -0800
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-29 00:32 -0500
                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 14:21 +0000
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-11 11:16 -0800
                Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-12 13:48 -0800
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-28 21:57 +0000
    Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-28 16:38 -0800
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 17:04 -0800
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-28 21:44 -0800
    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-28 21:04 -0500
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 18:27 -0800
    Re: about The Odd Bodkin nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-11-29 10:54 +0100
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 14:21 +0000
    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2021-11-29 15:02 +0000
    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 14:24 -0800
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-29 22:51 +0000
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 23:31 +0000
        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-29 23:41 +0000
        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 15:59 -0800
        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 16:32 -0800
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 17:04 -0800
            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 17:25 -0800
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-29 22:01 -0800
                Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-29 23:53 -0800
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 22:35 -0800
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-29 23:17 -0800
        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 07:42 -0800
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-30 10:53 -0500
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 16:22 +0000
            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-30 14:42 -0500
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 14:07 -0800
                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 22:21 +0000
                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 00:01 -0800
                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-03 10:32 -0800
                      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 20:20 +0000
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 19:08 -0800
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 10:50 -0800
        Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 10:56 -0800
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 19:30 +0000
            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 11:44 -0800
              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 20:35 +0000
                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 12:59 -0800
                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 21:25 +0000
                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 14:14 -0800
                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 15:47 -0800
                Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 14:09 -0800
                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-01 16:04 -0800
                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-01 21:35 -0800
                      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 15:40 +0000
                        Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 11:03 -0800
                          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 20:20 +0000
                            Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-02 13:13 -0800
                              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 21:38 +0000
                                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 21:56 +0000
                                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-12-03 22:12 +0100
                                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 22:20 +0000
                                      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 15:29 -0800
                                        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 17:03 +0000
                                          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 10:18 -0800
                                            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 22:08 +0000
                                              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 17:00 -0800
                                                Re: about The Odd Bodkin "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-04 17:50 -0800
                                          Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-05 14:05 -0800
                                            Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-05 14:18 -0800
                                            Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-05 17:29 -0800
                                              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-05 22:05 -0800
                                                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-06 13:22 +0000
                                                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-06 06:01 -0800
                                                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-06 15:37 -0800
                                                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 14:07 +0000
                                                      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-07 09:53 -0500
                                                        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 15:10 +0000
                                                          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 08:27 -0800
                                                            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 17:09 +0000
                                                            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 09:31 -0800
                                                              Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 18:02 +0000
                                                                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 22:20 -0800
                                                                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-07 22:26 -0800
                                                                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2021-12-08 11:06 +0100
                                                                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 14:19 +0000
                                                                      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 07:29 -0800
                                                                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 14:19 +0000
                                                                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-08 06:42 -0800
                                                                      Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 09:42 -0800
                                                      Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-07 21:23 -0800
                                                        Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 14:19 +0000
                                                          Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-08 08:29 -0800
                                                            Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 17:19 +0000
                                                              Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-08 11:13 -0800
                                                                Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-08 20:22 +0000
                                                                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-10 20:45 -0800
                                                                    Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-11 11:27 -0800
                                Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-03 10:16 -0800
                                  Re: about The Odd Bodkin Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-03 20:15 +0000
            Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 12:00 -0800
          Re: about The Odd Bodkin Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 21:52 -0800
            Crank Richard Hertz gets fresh asshole ripped with every post "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 22:25 -0800
        Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 11:22 -0800
    Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-11-30 22:26 -0800
      Re: about The Odd Bodkin The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2021-12-01 16:10 -0800

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#568637

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-07 08:27 -0800
Message-ID<12d0cb15-9c40-4399-90cd-f4735cc3b1d3n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#568629
On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 12:11:41 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

<snip>

> It’s actually demeaning to have my identity disregarded and substituted 
> with someone else’s. 
> 
> I notice that no one here responds to a poster by saying, “Hey, I know you. 
> You’re Albert Einstein, really, aren’t you? You’re not dead at all. And 
> here you are, posting a lot on a Usenet forum. Good for you.”
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND  4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES

Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper  to you. Curiously, you are both 64 y.o., and share the same interests,
except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be).

https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher)
https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper

Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.


Areas of Specialization

Philosophy of Religion
*** Science and Religion
*** Probabilistic Reasoning

Areas of Interest

** Formal Epistemology
*** General Philosophy of Science
Philosophy of Consciousness
*Metaphysics of Mind
** Persons
David Hume

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#568644

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-07 17:09 +0000
Message-ID<soo4g3$i99$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#568637
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 12:11:41 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> It’s actually demeaning to have my identity disregarded and substituted 
>> with someone else’s. 
>> 
>> I notice that no one here responds to a poster by saying, “Hey, I know you. 
>> You’re Albert Einstein, really, aren’t you? You’re not dead at all. And 
>> here you are, posting a lot on a Usenet forum. Good for you.”
>> -- 
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND  4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES
> 
> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper  to you. Curiously, you are both 64
> y.o., and share the same interests,

1. You are hung up on Paul Draper at www.LinkedIn.com/pauldraper
2. You are hung up on Paul Draper at philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper
3. You have the opportunity to become hung up on pauldraperofficial.com
4. You have apparently not been acquainted yet with pauldraper.com


> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be).
> 
> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher)
> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper
> 
> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his
> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is
> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy.
> 
> 
> Areas of Specialization
> 
> Philosophy of Religion
> *** Science and Religion
> *** Probabilistic Reasoning
> 
> Areas of Interest
> 
> ** Formal Epistemology
> *** General Philosophy of Science
> Philosophy of Consciousness
> *Metaphysics of Mind
> ** Persons
> David Hume
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#568648

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-07 09:31 -0800
Message-ID<63f7d97c-537a-4063-ba3f-b80ac307a9fen@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#568637
On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:

<snip>

> > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
 
> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64 y.o., and share the same interests, 
> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
> 
> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
> 
> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
> 
> 
> Areas of Specialization 
> 
> Philosophy of Religion 
> *** Science and Religion 
> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
> 
> Areas of Interest 
> 
> ** Formal Epistemology 
> *** General Philosophy of Science 
> Philosophy of Consciousness 
> *Metaphysics of Mind 
> ** Persons 
> David Hume

And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever.

I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that you was here with a hidden agenda,
which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and Jewish scientists. I thought that you
was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time.

You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind.

I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY.

1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry).
2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type.
3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content.
4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written.
5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
    an erudite would know.
6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I congratulate you for your bright intelligence.

But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible.

Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since the dawn of times.

For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed, without charging against who is posting.

Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong
with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs about HOW he fudged his famous equation).

Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power
AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history, social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In
this EXACT ORDER).

Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing.

The order of the jungle.

So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend that you come out of the "closet".

I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction.

By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic.

Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher.

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#568652

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-07 18:02 +0000
Message-ID<soo7jk$671$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#568648
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
>  
>> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64
>> y.o., and share the same interests, 
>> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
>> 
>> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
>> 
>> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his
>> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
>> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is
>> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
>> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
>> 
>> 
>> Areas of Specialization 
>> 
>> Philosophy of Religion 
>> *** Science and Religion 
>> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
>> 
>> Areas of Interest 
>> 
>> ** Formal Epistemology 
>> *** General Philosophy of Science 
>> Philosophy of Consciousness 
>> *Metaphysics of Mind 
>> ** Persons 
>> David Hume
> 
> And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever.
> 
> I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that
> you was here with a hidden agenda,
> which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and
> Jewish scientists. I thought that you
> was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time.
> 
> You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on
> your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind.
> 
> I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared
> here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY.
> 
> 1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry).
> 2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a
> well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type.
> 3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason
> by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content.
> 4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your
> job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written.
> 5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but
> I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
>     an erudite would know.
> 6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I
> congratulate you for your bright intelligence.

Might I just comment that I find your vigorous conviction first that I’m
42, then 66, then a publisher, then a philosopher, then a Jewish apologist
— all of it is hysterically funny. And you haven’t even gotten yet to the
winemaker in his 80s, the magician in his 40s, or the musician in his 50s. 

> 
> But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a
> deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible.
> 
> Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since the dawn of times.
> 
> For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed,
> without charging against who is posting.
> 
> Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad
> things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong
> with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs
> about HOW he fudged his famous equation).
> 
> Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be
> explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power
> AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history,
> social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In
> this EXACT ORDER).
> 
> Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power
> submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing.
> 
> The order of the jungle.

Well, you know what they say: when you are filled with poison, you see
poison running everywhere. 

It’s just a shame that you have lit on one particular discipline to vent
your nihilistic cynicism about a power-grubbing scourge that you see
running *everywhere*. 

> 
> So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend
> that you come out of the "closet".
> 
> I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction.
> 
> By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your
> attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic.

Oh my. What should I do with my livelihood now and my customers, now that
you’ve outed me as an imposter at my craft? I mean, I have a whole shop bay
filled with imposter-created product scheduled for delivery. 

> 
> Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of
> mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher.
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#568716

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-07 22:20 -0800
Message-ID<c05ad65b-f470-4dbb-941a-86912f6c1e35n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#568652
On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:02:31 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > 
> > <snip> 
> > 
> >>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
> > 
> >> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64 
> >> y.o., and share the same interests, 
> >> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
> >> 
> >> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
> >> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
> >> 
> >> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his 
> >> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
> >> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is 
> >> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
> >> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Areas of Specialization 
> >> 
> >> Philosophy of Religion 
> >> *** Science and Religion 
> >> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
> >> 
> >> Areas of Interest 
> >> 
> >> ** Formal Epistemology 
> >> *** General Philosophy of Science 
> >> Philosophy of Consciousness 
> >> *Metaphysics of Mind 
> >> ** Persons 
> >> David Hume 
> > 
> > And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever. 
> > 
> > I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that 
> > you was here with a hidden agenda, 
> > which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and 
> > Jewish scientists. I thought that you 
> > was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time. 
> > 
> > You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on 
> > your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind. 
> > 
> > I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared 
> > here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY. 
> > 
> > 1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry). 
> > 2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a 
> > well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type. 
> > 3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason 
> > by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content. 
> > 4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your 
> > job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written. 
> > 5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but 
> > I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
> > an erudite would know. 
> > 6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I 
> > congratulate you for your bright intelligence.
> Might I just comment that I find your vigorous conviction first that I’m 
> 42, then 66, then a publisher, then a philosopher, then a Jewish apologist 
> — all of it is hysterically funny. And you haven’t even gotten yet to the 
> winemaker in his 80s, the magician in his 40s, or the musician in his 50s.
> > 
> > But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a 
> > deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible. 
> > 
> > Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since the dawn of times. 
> > 
> > For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed, 
> > without charging against who is posting. 
> > 
> > Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad 
> > things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong 
> > with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs 
> > about HOW he fudged his famous equation). 
> > 
> > Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be 
> > explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power 
> > AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history, 
> > social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In 
> > this EXACT ORDER). 
> > 
> > Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power 
> > submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing. 
> > 
> > The order of the jungle.
> Well, you know what they say: when you are filled with poison, you see 
> poison running everywhere. 
> 
> It’s just a shame that you have lit on one particular discipline to vent 
> your nihilistic cynicism about a power-grubbing scourge that you see 
> running *everywhere*.
> > 
> > So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend 
> > that you come out of the "closet". 
> > 
> > I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction. 
> > 
> > By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your 
> > attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic.
> Oh my. What should I do with my livelihood now and my customers, now that 
> you’ve outed me as an imposter at my craft? I mean, I have a whole shop bay 
> filled with imposter-created product scheduled for delivery.
> > 
> > Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of 
> > mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher. 
> >
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

Come on, this is my first Paul Droper attempt on you.
Don't tell me that it wasn't convincing if I would used any other idiot's identity if I had the time.

I just had a couple of minutes while taking a break on some home repairs.

Give me more time, and I'll "prove" that you're the reincarnation of Maxwell Smart.
Some similarities are striking!

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#568717

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-07 22:26 -0800
Message-ID<4585000a-07c7-4c15-8dc3-654e9a0be65cn@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#568716
On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 3:20:08 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:02:31 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > > 
> > > <snip> 
> > > 
> > >>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
> > > 
> > >> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64 
> > >> y.o., and share the same interests, 
> > >> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
> > >> 
> > >> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
> > >> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
> > >> 
> > >> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his 
> > >> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
> > >> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is 
> > >> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
> > >> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> Areas of Specialization 
> > >> 
> > >> Philosophy of Religion 
> > >> *** Science and Religion 
> > >> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
> > >> 
> > >> Areas of Interest 
> > >> 
> > >> ** Formal Epistemology 
> > >> *** General Philosophy of Science 
> > >> Philosophy of Consciousness 
> > >> *Metaphysics of Mind 
> > >> ** Persons 
> > >> David Hume 
> > > 
> > > And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever. 
> > > 
> > > I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that 
> > > you was here with a hidden agenda, 
> > > which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and 
> > > Jewish scientists. I thought that you 
> > > was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time. 
> > > 
> > > You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on 
> > > your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind. 
> > > 
> > > I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared 
> > > here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY. 
> > > 
> > > 1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry). 
> > > 2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a 
> > > well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type. 
> > > 3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason 
> > > by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content. 
> > > 4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your 
> > > job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written. 
> > > 5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but 
> > > I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
> > > an erudite would know. 
> > > 6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I 
> > > congratulate you for your bright intelligence. 
> > Might I just comment that I find your vigorous conviction first that I’m 
> > 42, then 66, then a publisher, then a philosopher, then a Jewish apologist 
> > — all of it is hysterically funny. And you haven’t even gotten yet to the 
> > winemaker in his 80s, the magician in his 40s, or the musician in his 50s. 
> > > 
> > > But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a 
> > > deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible. 
> > > 
> > > Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since the dawn of times. 
> > > 
> > > For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed, 
> > > without charging against who is posting. 
> > > 
> > > Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad 
> > > things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong 
> > > with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs 
> > > about HOW he fudged his famous equation). 
> > > 
> > > Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be 
> > > explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power 
> > > AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history, 
> > > social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In 
> > > this EXACT ORDER). 
> > > 
> > > Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power 
> > > submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing. 
> > > 
> > > The order of the jungle. 
> > Well, you know what they say: when you are filled with poison, you see 
> > poison running everywhere. 
> > 
> > It’s just a shame that you have lit on one particular discipline to vent 
> > your nihilistic cynicism about a power-grubbing scourge that you see 
> > running *everywhere*. 
> > > 
> > > So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend 
> > > that you come out of the "closet". 
> > > 
> > > I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction. 
> > > 
> > > By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your 
> > > attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic. 
> > Oh my. What should I do with my livelihood now and my customers, now that 
> > you’ve outed me as an imposter at my craft? I mean, I have a whole shop bay 
> > filled with imposter-created product scheduled for delivery. 
> > > 
> > > Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of 
> > > mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher. 
> > > 
> > -- 
> > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> Come on, this is my first Paul Droper attempt on you. 
> Don't tell me that it wasn't convincing if I would used any other idiot's identity if I had the time. 
> 
> I just had a couple of minutes while taking a break on some home repairs. 
> 
> Give me more time, and I'll "prove" that you're the reincarnation of Maxwell Smart. 
> Some similarities are striking!

By the way, have you read "On Heroes and Tombs", by Ernesto Sabato, an Argentinian writer known worldwide?

He was a failed physicist too. Abandoned it and became a fiction writer, competing with Borges.

He was a philosopher, mostly. You are a philosopher, mostly (keen aware of what's published, by the way).

ARE YOU ERNESTO SABATO?

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#568724

From"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no>
Date2021-12-08 11:06 +0100
Message-ID<Ls%rJ.671340$Tjr1.217927@fx13.ams4>
In reply to#568717
Den 08.12.2021 07:26, skrev Richard Hertz:
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 3:20:08 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> Come on, this is my first Paul Droper attempt on you.
>> Don't tell me that it wasn't convincing if I would used any other idiot's identity if I had the time.
>>
>> I just had a couple of minutes while taking a break on some home repairs.
>>
>> Give me more time, and I'll "prove" that you're the reincarnation of Maxwell Smart.
>> Some similarities are striking!
> 
> By the way, have you read "On Heroes and Tombs", by Ernesto Sabato, an Argentinian writer known worldwide?
> 
> He was a failed physicist too. Abandoned it and became a fiction writer, competing with Borges.
> 
> He was a philosopher, mostly. You are a philosopher, mostly (keen aware of what's published, by the way).
> 
> ARE YOU ERNESTO SABATO?
> 

ARE YOU ARCHIMEDES PLUTONIUM?

Some similarities are striking!

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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#568736

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 14:19 +0000
Message-ID<soqetb$18s$5@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#568717
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 3:20:08 AM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:02:31 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
>>>> 
>>>> <snip> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64 
>>>>> y.o., and share the same interests, 
>>>>> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
>>>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his 
>>>>> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
>>>>> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is 
>>>>> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
>>>>> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Areas of Specialization 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Philosophy of Religion 
>>>>> *** Science and Religion 
>>>>> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Areas of Interest 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ** Formal Epistemology 
>>>>> *** General Philosophy of Science 
>>>>> Philosophy of Consciousness 
>>>>> *Metaphysics of Mind 
>>>>> ** Persons 
>>>>> David Hume 
>>>> 
>>>> And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever. 
>>>> 
>>>> I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that 
>>>> you was here with a hidden agenda, 
>>>> which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and 
>>>> Jewish scientists. I thought that you 
>>>> was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time. 
>>>> 
>>>> You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on 
>>>> your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind. 
>>>> 
>>>> I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared 
>>>> here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY. 
>>>> 
>>>> 1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry). 
>>>> 2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a 
>>>> well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type. 
>>>> 3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason 
>>>> by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content. 
>>>> 4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your 
>>>> job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written. 
>>>> 5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but 
>>>> I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
>>>> an erudite would know. 
>>>> 6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I 
>>>> congratulate you for your bright intelligence. 
>>> Might I just comment that I find your vigorous conviction first that I’m 
>>> 42, then 66, then a publisher, then a philosopher, then a Jewish apologist 
>>> — all of it is hysterically funny. And you haven’t even gotten yet to the 
>>> winemaker in his 80s, the magician in his 40s, or the musician in his 50s. 
>>>> 
>>>> But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a 
>>>> deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible. 
>>>> 
>>>> Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since
>>>> the dawn of times. 
>>>> 
>>>> For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed, 
>>>> without charging against who is posting. 
>>>> 
>>>> Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad 
>>>> things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong 
>>>> with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs 
>>>> about HOW he fudged his famous equation). 
>>>> 
>>>> Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be 
>>>> explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power 
>>>> AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history, 
>>>> social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In 
>>>> this EXACT ORDER). 
>>>> 
>>>> Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power 
>>>> submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing. 
>>>> 
>>>> The order of the jungle. 
>>> Well, you know what they say: when you are filled with poison, you see 
>>> poison running everywhere. 
>>> 
>>> It’s just a shame that you have lit on one particular discipline to vent 
>>> your nihilistic cynicism about a power-grubbing scourge that you see 
>>> running *everywhere*. 
>>>> 
>>>> So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend 
>>>> that you come out of the "closet". 
>>>> 
>>>> I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction. 
>>>> 
>>>> By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your 
>>>> attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic. 
>>> Oh my. What should I do with my livelihood now and my customers, now that 
>>> you’ve outed me as an imposter at my craft? I mean, I have a whole shop bay 
>>> filled with imposter-created product scheduled for delivery. 
>>>> 
>>>> Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of 
>>>> mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher. 
>>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>> Come on, this is my first Paul Droper attempt on you. 
>> Don't tell me that it wasn't convincing if I would used any other
>> idiot's identity if I had the time. 
>> 
>> I just had a couple of minutes while taking a break on some home repairs. 
>> 
>> Give me more time, and I'll "prove" that you're the reincarnation of Maxwell Smart. 
>> Some similarities are striking!
> 
> By the way, have you read "On Heroes and Tombs", by Ernesto Sabato, an
> Argentinian writer known worldwide?
> 
> He was a failed physicist too. Abandoned it and became a fiction writer,
> competing with Borges.
> 
> He was a philosopher, mostly. You are a philosopher, mostly (keen aware
> of what's published, by the way).
> 
> ARE YOU ERNESTO SABATO?
> 

I failed to attend my own funeral a decade ago. 
As for awareness of what’s published, I never shop for books. I just read
what falls out of the sky into my back yard. 


-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#568740

FromProkaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 07:29 -0800
Message-ID<f22cc66a-9b4c-470e-af1b-87a52b19a3b2n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#568736
On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 8:19:26 AM UTC-6, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:

> I failed to attend my own funeral a decade ago. 
> As for awareness of what’s published, I never shop for books. I just read 
> what falls out of the sky into my back yard.

After some strong winds blew through my neighborhood a few years
ago, blowing down fences and damaging roofs, I found some
Watchtower society leaflets among the debris in my back yard.
Some interesting physics... 

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#568735

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 14:19 +0000
Message-ID<soqeta$18s$4@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#568716
Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:02:31 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
>>> 
>>> <snip> 
>>> 
>>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
>>> 
>>>> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64 
>>>> y.o., and share the same interests, 
>>>> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
>>>> 
>>>> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
>>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
>>>> 
>>>> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his 
>>>> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
>>>> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is 
>>>> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
>>>> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Areas of Specialization 
>>>> 
>>>> Philosophy of Religion 
>>>> *** Science and Religion 
>>>> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
>>>> 
>>>> Areas of Interest 
>>>> 
>>>> ** Formal Epistemology 
>>>> *** General Philosophy of Science 
>>>> Philosophy of Consciousness 
>>>> *Metaphysics of Mind 
>>>> ** Persons 
>>>> David Hume 
>>> 
>>> And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever. 
>>> 
>>> I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that 
>>> you was here with a hidden agenda, 
>>> which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and 
>>> Jewish scientists. I thought that you 
>>> was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time. 
>>> 
>>> You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on 
>>> your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind. 
>>> 
>>> I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared 
>>> here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY. 
>>> 
>>> 1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry). 
>>> 2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a 
>>> well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type. 
>>> 3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason 
>>> by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content. 
>>> 4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your 
>>> job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written. 
>>> 5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but 
>>> I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
>>> an erudite would know. 
>>> 6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I 
>>> congratulate you for your bright intelligence.
>> Might I just comment that I find your vigorous conviction first that I’m 
>> 42, then 66, then a publisher, then a philosopher, then a Jewish apologist 
>> — all of it is hysterically funny. And you haven’t even gotten yet to the 
>> winemaker in his 80s, the magician in his 40s, or the musician in his 50s.
>>> 
>>> But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a 
>>> deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible. 
>>> 
>>> Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since the dawn of times. 
>>> 
>>> For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed, 
>>> without charging against who is posting. 
>>> 
>>> Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad 
>>> things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong 
>>> with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs 
>>> about HOW he fudged his famous equation). 
>>> 
>>> Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be 
>>> explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power 
>>> AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history, 
>>> social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In 
>>> this EXACT ORDER). 
>>> 
>>> Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power 
>>> submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing. 
>>> 
>>> The order of the jungle.
>> Well, you know what they say: when you are filled with poison, you see 
>> poison running everywhere. 
>> 
>> It’s just a shame that you have lit on one particular discipline to vent 
>> your nihilistic cynicism about a power-grubbing scourge that you see 
>> running *everywhere*.
>>> 
>>> So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend 
>>> that you come out of the "closet". 
>>> 
>>> I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction. 
>>> 
>>> By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your 
>>> attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic.
>> Oh my. What should I do with my livelihood now and my customers, now that 
>> you’ve outed me as an imposter at my craft? I mean, I have a whole shop bay 
>> filled with imposter-created product scheduled for delivery.
>>> 
>>> Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of 
>>> mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher. 
>>> 
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 
> Come on, this is my first Paul Droper attempt on you.
> Don't tell me that it wasn't convincing if I would used any other idiot's
> identity if I had the time.
> 
> I just had a couple of minutes while taking a break on some home repairs.
> 
> Give me more time, and I'll "prove" that you're the reincarnation of Maxwell Smart.
> Some similarities are striking!
> 

And what, exactly, would be the *value* of “proving” that I’m the
reincarnation of Maxwell Smart? For someone who seems to be ranting a lot
lately about human survival being on the brink and that we must all focus
on practical matters to solve that, you sure seem bent on wasting your time
on pointless and prodigious prattling about stupid things. 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#568738

FromPaparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>
Date2021-12-08 06:42 -0800
Message-ID<542d787c-2c93-4799-a1c9-e7e2083389a3n@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#568735
El miércoles, 8 de diciembre de 2021 a las 11:19:25 UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com escribió:
> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:02:31 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
> >> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> <snip> 
> >>> 
> >>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
> >>> 
> >>>> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64 
> >>>> y.o., and share the same interests, 
> >>>> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
> >>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his 
> >>>> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
> >>>> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is 
> >>>> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
> >>>> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Areas of Specialization 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Philosophy of Religion 
> >>>> *** Science and Religion 
> >>>> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Areas of Interest 
> >>>> 
> >>>> ** Formal Epistemology 
> >>>> *** General Philosophy of Science 
> >>>> Philosophy of Consciousness 
> >>>> *Metaphysics of Mind 
> >>>> ** Persons 
> >>>> David Hume 
> >>> 
> >>> And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever. 
> >>> 
> >>> I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that 
> >>> you was here with a hidden agenda, 
> >>> which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and 
> >>> Jewish scientists. I thought that you 
> >>> was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time. 
> >>> 
> >>> You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on 
> >>> your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind. 
> >>> 
> >>> I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared 
> >>> here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY. 
> >>> 
> >>> 1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry). 
> >>> 2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a 
> >>> well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type. 
> >>> 3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason 
> >>> by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content. 
> >>> 4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your 
> >>> job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written. 
> >>> 5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but 
> >>> I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
> >>> an erudite would know. 
> >>> 6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I 
> >>> congratulate you for your bright intelligence. 
> >> Might I just comment that I find your vigorous conviction first that I’m 
> >> 42, then 66, then a publisher, then a philosopher, then a Jewish apologist 
> >> — all of it is hysterically funny. And you haven’t even gotten yet to the 
> >> winemaker in his 80s, the magician in his 40s, or the musician in his 50s. 
> >>> 
> >>> But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a 
> >>> deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible. 
> >>> 
> >>> Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since the dawn of times. 
> >>> 
> >>> For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed, 
> >>> without charging against who is posting. 
> >>> 
> >>> Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad 
> >>> things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong 
> >>> with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs 
> >>> about HOW he fudged his famous equation). 
> >>> 
> >>> Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be 
> >>> explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power 
> >>> AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history, 
> >>> social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In 
> >>> this EXACT ORDER). 
> >>> 
> >>> Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power 
> >>> submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing. 
> >>> 
> >>> The order of the jungle. 
> >> Well, you know what they say: when you are filled with poison, you see 
> >> poison running everywhere. 
> >> 
> >> It’s just a shame that you have lit on one particular discipline to vent 
> >> your nihilistic cynicism about a power-grubbing scourge that you see 
> >> running *everywhere*. 
> >>> 
> >>> So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend 
> >>> that you come out of the "closet". 
> >>> 
> >>> I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction. 
> >>> 
> >>> By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your 
> >>> attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic. 
> >> Oh my. What should I do with my livelihood now and my customers, now that 
> >> you’ve outed me as an imposter at my craft? I mean, I have a whole shop bay 
> >> filled with imposter-created product scheduled for delivery. 
> >>> 
> >>> Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of 
> >>> mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher. 
> >>> 
> >> -- 
> >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables 
> > 
> > Come on, this is my first Paul Droper attempt on you. 
> > Don't tell me that it wasn't convincing if I would used any other idiot's 
> > identity if I had the time. 
> > 
> > I just had a couple of minutes while taking a break on some home repairs. 
> > 
> > Give me more time, and I'll "prove" that you're the reincarnation of Maxwell Smart. 
> > Some similarities are striking! 
> >
> And what, exactly, would be the *value* of “proving” that I’m the 
> reincarnation of Maxwell Smart? For someone who seems to be ranting a lot 
> lately about human survival being on the brink and that we must all focus 
> on practical matters to solve that, you sure seem bent on wasting your time 
> on pointless and prodigious prattling about stupid things.
> -- 
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

It is quite funny that this "Richard Hertz" character, which is totally unknown (no web pages, publications, patents, etc) minds so much of the personal information of some of us. He recognizes been an argentinian and alledgelly an electrical engineer.

Fortunately, we do not have the same motivation here.

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#568743

FromRichard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 09:42 -0800
Message-ID<4b068dfa-5ec6-46f5-bc91-0d10abee58can@googlegroups.com>
In reply to#568738
On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 11:42:27 AM UTC-3, Paparios wrote:
> El miércoles, 8 de diciembre de 2021 a las 11:19:25 UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com escribió: 
> > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > > On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 3:02:31 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: 
> > >> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > >>> On Tuesday, December 7, 2021 at 1:27:05 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: 
> > >>> 
> > >>> <snip> 
> > >>> 
> > >>>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables AND 4 BOOKS PLUS 5 ARTICLES 
> > >>> 
> > >>>> Hey Odd, I introduce Paul Droper to you. Curiously, you are both 64 
> > >>>> y.o., and share the same interests, 
> > >>>> except that you don't address religious issues here (as it must be). 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> https://alchetron.com/Paul-Draper-(philosopher) 
> > >>>> https://philpeople.org/profiles/paul-draper 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Paul Draper (born 1957) is an American philosopher, most known for his 
> > >>>> work in the philosophy of religion. His work on the 
> > >>>> evidential argument from evil has been widely influential. He is 
> > >>>> currently a professor at Purdue University. He is co-editor of 
> > >>>> topics in the philosophy of religion for the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Areas of Specialization 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Philosophy of Religion 
> > >>>> *** Science and Religion 
> > >>>> *** Probabilistic Reasoning 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Areas of Interest 
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> ** Formal Epistemology 
> > >>>> *** General Philosophy of Science 
> > >>>> Philosophy of Consciousness 
> > >>>> *Metaphysics of Mind 
> > >>>> ** Persons 
> > >>>> David Hume 
> > >>> 
> > >>> And let me tell you, Podd, that your mission here is more evident than ever. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> I told you two years ago, before I left this forum until this July, that 
> > >>> you was here with a hidden agenda, 
> > >>> which I told you that it was to defend anything against Einstein and 
> > >>> Jewish scientists. I thought that you 
> > >>> was a paid troll, but now I recognize that I was wrong all the time. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> You are a very well versed philosopher, with a distinguished career on 
> > >>> your fields: Religion, Science and process of mind. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> I acknowledge the above, as well as the reasons by which you appeared 
> > >>> here 8 years ago. Coincidences? MANY. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 1) You're opinionated in almost every field of physics (or chemistry). 
> > >>> 2) You are an erudite, with a broad knowledge of what is published and a 
> > >>> well substantiated wording in your posts. Intellectual type. 
> > >>> 3) You don't know squat about mathematics of physics, which is the reason 
> > >>> by which you NEVER engage in posts with such content. 
> > >>> 4) I believe that you learnt through 100 books. More, make it 300+. Your 
> > >>> job/mission depends on your knowledge about what's written. 
> > >>> 5) You make considerable efforts to left religion out of this forum, but 
> > >>> I caught you writing about deep stuff that only 
> > >>> an erudite would know. 
> > >>> 6) Your efforts to hide your real identity are incredibly good. I 
> > >>> congratulate you for your bright intelligence. 
> > >> Might I just comment that I find your vigorous conviction first that I’m 
> > >> 42, then 66, then a publisher, then a philosopher, then a Jewish apologist 
> > >> — all of it is hysterically funny. And you haven’t even gotten yet to the 
> > >> winemaker in his 80s, the magician in his 40s, or the musician in his 50s. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> But, even when I recognize your personal agenda as TRULY LEGITIMATE, as a 
> > >>> deeply religious Jewish, you SHOULD BE more flexible. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Einstein was far from perfect, as any other human on this Earth since the dawn of times. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> For that, you should accept that some of his scientific flaws be exposed, 
> > >>> without charging against who is posting. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Because one thing is to defend the good things, but to deny the bad 
> > >>> things make you an accomplish of anything that's wrong 
> > >>> with physics since 1900, starting with Planck (of whom I've found proofs 
> > >>> about HOW he fudged his famous equation). 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Finally, the rotten and deviated world at which we live can not be 
> > >>> explained without dirty maneuvers to grab and hold power 
> > >>> AT ANY FIELD AND SOCIAL LEVEL: Politics, economy, finance, history, 
> > >>> social sciences, hard sciences, HEALTH sciences, etc. (In 
> > >>> this EXACT ORDER). 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Wars, killing millions of persons, domination by money and power 
> > >>> submission, lies, conspiracies, etc. It's always the same thing. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> The order of the jungle. 
> > >> Well, you know what they say: when you are filled with poison, you see 
> > >> poison running everywhere. 
> > >> 
> > >> It’s just a shame that you have lit on one particular discipline to vent 
> > >> your nihilistic cynicism about a power-grubbing scourge that you see 
> > >> running *everywhere*. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> So, I don't have ANY problem with your personal agenda, nor I pretend 
> > >>> that you come out of the "closet". 
> > >>> 
> > >>> I only like to understand things, and distinguish REAL from fiction. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> By the way, I don't care if you are Paul Draper or any other. But your 
> > >>> attempt to pass as a woodworker is becoming pathetic. 
> > >> Oh my. What should I do with my livelihood now and my customers, now that 
> > >> you’ve outed me as an imposter at my craft? I mean, I have a whole shop bay 
> > >> filled with imposter-created product scheduled for delivery. 
> > >>> 
> > >>> Do what you want. It's OK with me, but remember that you're afraid of 
> > >>> mathematics, because it never was your thing, philosopher. 
> > >>> 
> > >> -- 
> > >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables 
> > > 
> > > Come on, this is my first Paul Droper attempt on you. 
> > > Don't tell me that it wasn't convincing if I would used any other idiot's 
> > > identity if I had the time. 
> > > 
> > > I just had a couple of minutes while taking a break on some home repairs. 
> > > 
> > > Give me more time, and I'll "prove" that you're the reincarnation of Maxwell Smart. 
> > > Some similarities are striking! 
> > > 
> > And what, exactly, would be the *value* of “proving” that I’m the 
> > reincarnation of Maxwell Smart? For someone who seems to be ranting a lot 
> > lately about human survival being on the brink and that we must all focus 
> > on practical matters to solve that, you sure seem bent on wasting your time 
> > on pointless and prodigious prattling about stupid things. 
> > -- 
> > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> It is quite funny that this "Richard Hertz" character, which is totally unknown (no web pages, publications, patents, etc) minds so much of the personal information of some of us. He recognizes been an argentinian and alledgelly an electrical engineer. 
> 
> Fortunately, we do not have the same motivation here.

Paparios, speak for yourself only. You are not allowed to generalize.

For instance, I define you as a bitter anal retentive asshole with zero humor (which requires some wit and intelligence).

But I can't think that everyone here has a similar profile.

It's a real zoo here, and I find very entertaining to detect patterns on behaviors here and assign to some
sci.physics.relativity characters general attributes of a given specie.

Aren't we animals after all? IMHO, you can distill essences of every character after analyzing a long run of posts.

And, as being humans mean being a pack of conflicting essences living together in some kind of physical and
mental ecosystem, each one of us have two or three fundamental "axis" by which we behave, depending upon circumstances.

For instance, and making analogies with other animal species at the zoo, you are mostly a monkey (Proboscis monkey).

Dono is, mostly, a giant poisonous lizard (like a Varanus komodoensis).
Moroney is more like a donkey (Equus asinus).
JanPB is very much like a chihuahua (Canis familiaris).
Bodkin is more like a judgemental and opportunistic owl (Western Screech-owl Megascops kennicottii).
Dork is a stalker kitty in disguise (Felis catus Linnaeus).
Tom, the Big Cat here is more like an old P.I. melanochaita.
Paul is like a reflexive albatross (Diomedeidae).

I could find more analogies, but this is enough to mark my point.

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#568715

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-07 21:23 -0800
Message-ID<61B04154.1ECC@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#568613
Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
> >> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
> >
> > To use your own words...
> >
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >
> > physics prof and stuff?
> >
> >
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >
> >  publishing and physics
> >
> >
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >
> >
> > physics prof???
> >
> >
> > How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >
> 
> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you’re talking about.
> What does that have to do with me?

LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...

Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?

When you entered college at 17...what was your major? It starts with a P , right?




> 
> --
> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#568734

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 14:19 +0000
Message-ID<soqet9$18s$3@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#568715
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> 
>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
>>>> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
>>> 
>>> To use your own words...
>>> 
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> 
>>> physics prof and stuff?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> 
>>> publishing and physics
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> physics prof???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>> 
>> 
>> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
>> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you’re talking about.
>> What does that have to do with me?
> 
> LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...

OK, so you didn’t get that from LInkedIn, but from some other source. Which
Paul Draper does the September 1956 apply to, the publisher, the
philosopher, the musician, the magician, or the vintner?

> 
> Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?

Well, since most people enter at 17 or 18, no I don’t think that’s
remarkable, do you?

> 
> When you entered college at 17...what was your major? It starts with a P , right?

Pathematics? Pomputer Science? That’s what I entered with as a major.
Dropped one. 

> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#568741

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-08 08:29 -0800
Message-ID<61B0DD6A.557D@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#568734
Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>
> >> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
> >>>> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
> >>>
> >>> To use your own words...
> >>>
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>
> >>> physics prof and stuff?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>
> >>> publishing and physics
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> physics prof???
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
> >> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you're talking about.
> >> What does that have to do with me?
> >
> > LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...
>
> OK, so you didn't get that from LInkedIn, but from some other source. Which
> Paul Draper does the September 1956 apply to, the publisher, the
> philosopher, the musician, the magician, or the vintner?
>
> >
> > Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?
>
> Well, since most people enter at 17 or 18, no I don't think that's
> remarkable, do you?


I didn't get to list all the 'similarities'...that was just one.


Why just in this thread today you mentioned 'another' ...similarity.

"I just read what falls out of the sky into my back yard."

You probably cannot see it, so I'll have to point it out to you...

"back yard".

You both 'have' a back yard.



Now, I'm from New York City...even millionaires and billionaires don't have a back yard.

I guess in the world you're from you think everyone has a.. back yard.

So, ...fact, you both entered college at the age of 17 , and you both have "back yard"s.

The more similarities one finds, eventually it just narrows down to...one person, and not just some parallel universe.



 
 





>
> >
> > When you entered college at 17...what was your major? It starts with a P , right?
>
> Pathematics? Pomputer Science? That's what I entered with as a major.
> Dropped one.

you forgot pizza.


But 'Why' Physics????

I'll tell you why...

Bill Gates today wants all children in the world to learn coding.

He's trafficking in children.

The 'scientific community' mandated dat Science should be taught in skools to children.

They are trafficking in children.

They are looking for the next Einstein. To indoctrinate into their 'community' of cosmic religion.

But the next Einstein today is coding...probably the next Randsomeware.


You odd got kidnapped.







 



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#568742

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 17:19 +0000
Message-ID<soqpe7$1bob$1@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#568741
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> 
>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
>>>>>> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
>>>>> 
>>>>> To use your own words...
>>>>> 
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> 
>>>>> physics prof and stuff?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> 
>>>>> publishing and physics
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> physics prof???
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
>>>> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you're talking about.
>>>> What does that have to do with me?
>>> 
>>> LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...
>> 
>> OK, so you didn't get that from LInkedIn, but from some other source. Which
>> Paul Draper does the September 1956 apply to, the publisher, the
>> philosopher, the musician, the magician, or the vintner?
>> 
>>> 
>>> Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?
>> 
>> Well, since most people enter at 17 or 18, no I don't think that's
>> remarkable, do you?
> 
> 
> I didn't get to list all the 'similarities'...that was just one.
> 
> 
> Why just in this thread today you mentioned 'another' ...similarity.
> 
> "I just read what falls out of the sky into my back yard."
> 
> You probably cannot see it, so I'll have to point it out to you...
> 
> "back yard".
> 
> You both 'have' a back yard.
> 

Amazing. Does he have a car? I have a car. 

> 
> 
> Now, I'm from New York City...even millionaires and billionaires don't have a back yard.
> 
> I guess in the world you're from you think everyone has a.. back yard.
> 
> So, ...fact, you both entered college at the age of 17 , and you both have "back yard"s.
> 
> The more similarities one finds, eventually it just narrows down to...one
> person, and not just some parallel universe.
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> When you entered college at 17...what was your major? It starts with a P , right?
>> 
>> Pathematics? Pomputer Science? That's what I entered with as a major.
>> Dropped one.
> 
> you forgot pizza.
> 
> 
> But 'Why' Physics????

Wasn’t one of my majors you asked about. 

> 
> I'll tell you why...
> 
> Bill Gates today wants all children in the world to learn coding.
> 
> He's trafficking in children.
> 
> The 'scientific community' mandated dat Science should be taught in skools to children.
> 
> They are trafficking in children.
> 
> They are looking for the next Einstein. To indoctrinate into their
> 'community' of cosmic religion.
> 
> But the next Einstein today is coding...probably the next Randsomeware.
> 
> 
> You odd got kidnapped.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#568748

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-08 11:13 -0800
Message-ID<61B103CF.78C9@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#568742
Odd Bodkin wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>
> >> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
> >>>>>> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To use your own words...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> physics prof and stuff?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> publishing and physics
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> physics prof???
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
> >>>> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you're talking about.
> >>>> What does that have to do with me?
> >>>
> >>> LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...
> >>
> >> OK, so you didn't get that from LInkedIn, but from some other source. Which
> >> Paul Draper does the September 1956 apply to, the publisher, the
> >> philosopher, the musician, the magician, or the vintner?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?
> >>
> >> Well, since most people enter at 17 or 18, no I don't think that's
> >> remarkable, do you?
> >
> >
> > I didn't get to list all the 'similarities'...that was just one.
> >
> >
> > Why just in this thread today you mentioned 'another' ...similarity.
> >
> > "I just read what falls out of the sky into my back yard."
> >
> > You probably cannot see it, so I'll have to point it out to you...
> >
> > "back yard".
> >
> > You both 'have' a back yard.
> >
> 
> Amazing. Does he have a car? I have a car.


Well, let's say the similarity is...yous both have a 'PASSION' about cars.


Why else would you mention ...a car?






> 
> >
> >
> > Now, I'm from New York City...even millionaires and billionaires don't have a back yard.
> >
> > I guess in the world you're from you think everyone has a.. back yard.
> >
> > So, ...fact, you both entered college at the age of 17 , and you both have "back yard"s.
> >
> > The more similarities one finds, eventually it just narrows down to...one
> > person, and not just some parallel universe.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> When you entered college at 17...what was your major? It starts with a P , right?
> >>
> >> Pathematics? Pomputer Science? That's what I entered with as a major.
> >> Dropped one.
> >
> > you forgot pizza.
> >
> >
> > But 'Why' Physics????
> 
> Wasn't one of my majors you asked about.
> 
> >
> > I'll tell you why...
> >
> > Bill Gates today wants all children in the world to learn coding.
> >
> > He's trafficking in children.
> >
> > The 'scientific community' mandated dat Science should be taught in skools to children.
> >
> > They are trafficking in children.
> >
> > They are looking for the next Einstein. To indoctrinate into their
> > 'community' of cosmic religion.
> >
> > But the next Einstein today is coding...probably the next Randsomeware.
> >
> >
> > You odd got kidnapped.
> >


But now...looking at your resume..I can understand now
why you are at sci.physics.relativity...all this time.

You spent ten years straight learning Relativity in college????  

There simply isn't any other place in the world for you!

You are the Queen Bee here...in this nest of bees.







-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#568755

FromOdd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Date2021-12-08 20:22 +0000
Message-ID<sor45h$p0p$2@gioia.aioe.org>
In reply to#568748
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> 
>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
>>>>>>>> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To use your own words...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> physics prof and stuff?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> publishing and physics
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> physics prof???
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
>>>>>> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you're talking about.
>>>>>> What does that have to do with me?
>>>>> 
>>>>> LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...
>>>> 
>>>> OK, so you didn't get that from LInkedIn, but from some other source. Which
>>>> Paul Draper does the September 1956 apply to, the publisher, the
>>>> philosopher, the musician, the magician, or the vintner?
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?
>>>> 
>>>> Well, since most people enter at 17 or 18, no I don't think that's
>>>> remarkable, do you?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I didn't get to list all the 'similarities'...that was just one.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Why just in this thread today you mentioned 'another' ...similarity.
>>> 
>>> "I just read what falls out of the sky into my back yard."
>>> 
>>> You probably cannot see it, so I'll have to point it out to you...
>>> 
>>> "back yard".
>>> 
>>> You both 'have' a back yard.
>>> 
>> 
>> Amazing. Does he have a car? I have a car.
> 
> 
> Well, let's say the similarity is...yous both have a 'PASSION' about cars.

Well, I like my car. I don’t know that it’s a passion. Does this other
person have a thing for cars? How do you know?

I also have a ukulele. Want to work on that one for a while?

> 
> 
> Why else would you mention ...a car?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now, I'm from New York City...even millionaires and billionaires don't have a back yard.
>>> 
>>> I guess in the world you're from you think everyone has a.. back yard.
>>> 
>>> So, ...fact, you both entered college at the age of 17 , and you both have "back yard"s.
>>> 
>>> The more similarities one finds, eventually it just narrows down to...one
>>> person, and not just some parallel universe.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you entered college at 17...what was your major? It starts with a P , right?
>>>> 
>>>> Pathematics? Pomputer Science? That's what I entered with as a major.
>>>> Dropped one.
>>> 
>>> you forgot pizza.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But 'Why' Physics????
>> 
>> Wasn't one of my majors you asked about.
>> 
>>> 
>>> I'll tell you why...
>>> 
>>> Bill Gates today wants all children in the world to learn coding.
>>> 
>>> He's trafficking in children.
>>> 
>>> The 'scientific community' mandated dat Science should be taught in skools to children.
>>> 
>>> They are trafficking in children.
>>> 
>>> They are looking for the next Einstein. To indoctrinate into their
>>> 'community' of cosmic religion.
>>> 
>>> But the next Einstein today is coding...probably the next Randsomeware.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You odd got kidnapped.
>>> 
> 
> 
> But now...looking at your resume..I can understand now
> why you are at sci.physics.relativity...all this time.
> 
> You spent ten years straight learning Relativity in college????  
> 
> There simply isn't any other place in the world for you!
> 
> You are the Queen Bee here...in this nest of bees.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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#569003

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-10 20:45 -0800
Message-ID<5ua8rgp2na8rgidc7e8dan2hdi8quetu4b@4ax.com>
In reply to#568755
On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 20:22:09 -0000 (UTC), Odd Bodkin
<bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
>>>>>>>>> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To use your own words...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> physics prof and stuff?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> publishing and physics
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> physics prof???
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
>>>>>>> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you're talking about.
>>>>>>> What does that have to do with me?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, so you didn't get that from LInkedIn, but from some other source. Which
>>>>> Paul Draper does the September 1956 apply to, the publisher, the
>>>>> philosopher, the musician, the magician, or the vintner?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, since most people enter at 17 or 18, no I don't think that's
>>>>> remarkable, do you?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I didn't get to list all the 'similarities'...that was just one.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Why just in this thread today you mentioned 'another' ...similarity.
>>>> 
>>>> "I just read what falls out of the sky into my back yard."
>>>> 
>>>> You probably cannot see it, so I'll have to point it out to you...
>>>> 
>>>> "back yard".
>>>> 
>>>> You both 'have' a back yard.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Amazing. Does he have a car? I have a car.
>> 
>> 
>> Well, let's say the similarity is...yous both have a 'PASSION' about cars.
>
>Well, I like my car. I don’t know that it’s a passion. Does this other
>person have a thing for cars? How do you know?
>
>I also have a ukulele. Want to work on that one for a while?


again, I already mention dat i'm from new york. nobody in new york
knows what that is...

but, the state where you are from the ukulele is considered the
Capitol.

What is dat on your front lawn anyway???? it looks like a rock from
the dark side of the moon.

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#569057

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2021-12-11 11:27 -0800
Message-ID<7au9rgtuuk5eni9il3vd39ask3n8hrqpsr@4ax.com>
In reply to#569003
On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 20:45:32 -0800, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 20:22:09 -0000 (UTC), Odd Bodkin
><bodkinodd@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If I had to guess, he's probably stalking that Paul Draper guy, what with
>>>>>>>>>> the LinkedIn profile and publishing and physics prof and stuff.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To use your own words...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> physics prof and stuff?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> publishing and physics
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> physics prof???
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> How on earth did you come up with THAT?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yeah I read his LinkedIn profile when someone put it up a couple days ago.
>>>>>>>> OK, so HE looks to be in the age range you're talking about.
>>>>>>>> What does that have to do with me?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> LinkedIn profile???? I didn't get September 1956 from LinkedIn...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK, so you didn't get that from LInkedIn, but from some other source. Which
>>>>>> Paul Draper does the September 1956 apply to, the publisher, the
>>>>>> philosopher, the musician, the magician, or the vintner?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is it a coincidence that yous both entered college the same age?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, since most people enter at 17 or 18, no I don't think that's
>>>>>> remarkable, do you?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I didn't get to list all the 'similarities'...that was just one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why just in this thread today you mentioned 'another' ...similarity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "I just read what falls out of the sky into my back yard."
>>>>> 
>>>>> You probably cannot see it, so I'll have to point it out to you...
>>>>> 
>>>>> "back yard".
>>>>> 
>>>>> You both 'have' a back yard.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Amazing. Does he have a car? I have a car.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, let's say the similarity is...yous both have a 'PASSION' about cars.
>>
>>Well, I like my car. I don’t know that it’s a passion. Does this other
>>person have a thing for cars? How do you know?
>>
>>I also have a ukulele. Want to work on that one for a while?
>
>
>again, I already mention dat i'm from new york. nobody in new york
>knows what that is...
>
>but, the state where you are from the ukulele is considered the
>Capitol.
>
furthermore, there is a website that contains the most  ukuleles in
the country, USA, and that 
website is located only in the state you reside.


don't mention the word  ukulele in New York, they'll mug you. They
will think you are a doofy. They mug doofies.

There go a doofy, MUG HIM!


Don't even dare carry a  ukulele in New York City!


you'll be asking for it...




--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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