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| Started by | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| First post | 2026-02-11 07:44 -0800 |
| Last post | 2026-03-18 04:37 +1100 |
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Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-11 07:44 -0800
Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-02-11 18:47 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-11 23:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-13 09:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 07:23 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 03:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 09:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2026-02-13 18:06 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-13 10:17 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 10:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Brody Baikov <aav@booayoki.ru> - 2026-02-13 23:16 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 06:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-13 21:03 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-14 22:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-14 08:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 05:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-14 11:02 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-02-14 11:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-14 11:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-14 22:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-15 09:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 08:23 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-15 13:19 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-17 10:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-15 22:30 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-18 16:22 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-18 22:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-19 00:25 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 22:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 08:03 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-19 21:04 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-20 01:04 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 23:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-20 22:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 22:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 12:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-20 08:23 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeremiah Jones <jj@j.j> - 2026-02-20 01:16 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-22 10:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-14 04:17 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-14 04:29 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-14 04:35 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-14 08:10 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-15 05:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-17 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-17 12:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-17 09:29 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-17 18:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-17 10:37 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-18 15:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-18 10:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 10:57 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-02-18 20:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 12:32 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 11:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 11:13 -0800
Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-02-18 20:43 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 12:49 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 12:54 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-18 12:57 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 21:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 08:08 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 08:22 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 05:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-19 10:25 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-20 10:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 14:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 22:54 +1100
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-02-20 14:16 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 21:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 20:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 11:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-19 23:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 14:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 02:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-19 21:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 11:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 23:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 13:30 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 03:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 11:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 03:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 11:37 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-20 21:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 14:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:59 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 17:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 14:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 02:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 11:01 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-22 23:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Edwin Lohmatikov <iiw@aoo.ru> - 2026-02-20 22:14 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-21 11:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Zamir Nasibullaev <rniz@zzrlus.ru> - 2026-02-21 18:53 +0000
Shitting and pissing your own pants again? [A noiseless patient Spider] (Re: energy and mass) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2026-02-21 20:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-19 08:54 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-20 18:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-20 08:46 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 15:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-20 21:31 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-21 23:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 05:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 15:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-21 23:18 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-22 20:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 03:11 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 03:24 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 02:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 10:30 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 11:15 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 17:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-22 22:38 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-23 23:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:24 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-24 18:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 00:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 15:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 02:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 16:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 11:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:33 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 12:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 08:46 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 09:26 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-23 21:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-23 22:30 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 12:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-24 09:02 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-24 20:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-25 16:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-25 11:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-25 08:35 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-02-25 10:01 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-02-26 16:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 11:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 11:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 12:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 13:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-02-26 18:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-02-26 21:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Domingo Totolos <itot@go.gr> - 2026-02-26 21:01 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:05 -0800
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 15:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 06:41 -0800
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 18:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 10:40 -0800
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-02-26 20:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-26 11:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:14 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 20:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-05 11:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 01:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-05 16:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:48 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-05 22:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 18:20 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-06 11:01 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 16:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 21:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-07 04:16 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 07:08 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:42 -0800
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-05 18:48 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 12:32 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 05:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-08 09:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-10 09:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 08:56 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-10 09:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-10 20:04 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-10 12:51 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 12:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 14:53 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-11 10:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 07:54 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 18:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 20:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-12 07:59 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-13 08:10 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 16:53 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-12 10:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-13 08:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 02:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 07:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 01:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 20:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 01:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 08:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 10:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 23:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 14:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-15 10:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 20:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 23:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 00:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 10:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 07:31 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 09:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 10:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 11:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 14:15 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 09:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 20:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 11:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 07:45 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 19:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 11:44 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 04:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 11:22 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 22:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 04:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 10:44 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 15:54 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 10:15 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 22:45 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 13:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 01:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-26 08:08 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 17:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:16 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 08:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:40 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:16 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 04:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:37 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 23:23 -0700
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-11 13:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:27 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:05 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:20 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:30 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 19:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 06:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 18:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 09:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 21:22 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 13:14 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 23:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 16:34 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 14:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Isais Kitamura <riiisia@imi.jp> - 2026-03-12 16:37 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:52 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:46 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:57 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 03:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 19:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-11 09:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-11 10:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-12 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 10:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 12:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 10:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 20:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:44 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:46 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 09:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:03 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:30 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-15 09:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 06:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 21:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-12 15:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 08:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 17:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 11:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:31 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:08 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:05 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:10 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:25 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 04:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 17:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 06:22 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 21:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 08:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 21:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 11:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 13:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:30 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:21 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:11 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:07 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:22 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-14 12:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 08:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 08:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-14 21:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 16:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 21:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 23:04 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 13:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 02:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 05:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 17:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:07 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 21:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:29 +0100
That stupid piece of shit Bill Sloman is admitting it is lying Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 11:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-18 14:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Limuel Patselas <teuu@lss.gr> - 2026-03-18 14:03 +0000
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Oval Kasprzak <saaavv@zzssl.pl> - 2026-03-18 14:18 +0000
Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-03-18 15:13 +0000
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 17:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 09:57 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 18:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 11:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 20:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-20 14:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 13:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-20 14:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 16:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Kayce Hatakeda <aedkya@aaktey.jp> - 2026-03-20 15:51 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-21 17:07 +0100
Re: energy and mass Rhyan Taverna <aah@vreyt.it> - 2026-03-21 18:34 +0000
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-22 14:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 14:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-24 12:27 +0100
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-24 14:20 +0100
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Logan Baturin <ngggg@rainag.ru> - 2026-03-24 13:30 +0000
Re: GPS Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 17:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-25 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 12:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-25 14:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-25 07:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-26 14:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 06:44 -0700
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-26 21:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 17:53 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-27 10:55 -0700
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-27 00:21 +0100
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-27 06:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 15:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-26 14:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-26 16:13 +0100
Time (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-25 16:06 +0100
Re: Time Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-25 08:22 -0700
Re: Time Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-25 08:30 -0700
Re: Time Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 17:34 +0100
Re: Time Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 17:33 +0100
Re: Time Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-25 17:35 +0100
Curvature of spacetime (was: Time) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-26 03:38 +0100
Re: Curvature of spacetime (was: Time) Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-03-26 04:11 +0000
Re: Curvature of spacetime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-25 21:22 -0700
Re: Curvature of spacetime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 06:06 -0700
Re: Curvature of spacetime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 06:31 -0700
Re: Curvature of spacetime Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 10:32 -0700
Re: Curvature of spacetime Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-26 07:33 +0100
Re: Curvature of spacetime (was: Time) Jakob Winogrodzki <ooii@krdko.pl> - 2026-03-26 21:17 +0000
Re: energy and mass Rion Mahaev <ahom@amme.ru> - 2026-03-20 13:28 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-21 01:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Yeiniel Katsumata <kna@tuiktyay.jp> - 2026-03-21 18:39 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 07:53 -0700
Re: energy and mass Simei Mahrov <iie@irovoea.ru> - 2026-03-18 19:57 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 21:38 -0700
Re: energy and mass Dwane Sakakibara <kaaad@aaa.jp> - 2026-03-19 20:26 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 16:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 16:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 14:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 06:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 14:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 01:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-03-18 15:19 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:29 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 17:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 11:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-19 12:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 16:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 06:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 18:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 10:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 00:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 16:25 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 06:23 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 18:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 09:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 17:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 05:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 19:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 14:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 22:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:03 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 10:27 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:43 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 19:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 03:06 -0700
Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 03:36 -0700
Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:15 -0700
Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 09:45 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 10:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-23 13:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:01 -0700
Re: energy and mass Keeton Zdunowski <ni@eudei.pl> - 2026-03-23 17:19 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 11:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 20:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 15:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 07:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 13:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 23:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 16:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 19:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 09:27 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-24 13:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:28 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 17:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 10:53 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 05:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:06 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:53 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 23:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 20:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 07:25 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:06 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 20:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 19:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 22:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:21 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:31 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:37 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-19 13:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 22:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Larry Gulyás <ylcl@alyl.hu> - 2026-03-12 12:36 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 15:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 21:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 23:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 00:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 14:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-20 04:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 10:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-25 09:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 21:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 09:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 09:49 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 10:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-27 09:25 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-28 16:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-29 10:24 +0200
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-29 20:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass Flavio Schuhart <ifuaofvs@thl.de> - 2026-03-29 12:59 +0000
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-25 07:20 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-21 11:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 00:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 14:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 16:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 07:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 18:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 10:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 17:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 09:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 09:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:08 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 06:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 18:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 09:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 16:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 05:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 20:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:56 -0700
Re: energy and mass Donovan Rocca <onon@nanna.it> - 2026-03-19 20:31 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-20 01:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-14 21:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Adiel Ungaretti <tdlla@rdrlnng.it> - 2026-03-14 21:31 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 00:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:09 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 14:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 23:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 15:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:39 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:49 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 07:50 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:06 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:34 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Rian Wojewódzki <encmzd@jw.pl> - 2026-03-18 13:55 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 01:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 22:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-20 04:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 07:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-22 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-23 08:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-24 10:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:46 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-24 19:25 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 12:44 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-24 21:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 14:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 23:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-24 23:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 19:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-25 09:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-25 07:25 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-26 02:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-26 08:47 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-25 13:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 13:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 17:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-04-05 01:07 +0200
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-04-05 01:58 +0200
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-25 08:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 21:21 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:29 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 01:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-22 10:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:38 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-23 08:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:45 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:16 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Howard Takeshita <rrad@ar.jp> - 2026-03-18 13:40 +0000
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 02:58 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 13:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 06:51 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 17:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 21:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 10:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-03 13:47 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-04 16:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-04 02:52 -0800
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-07 23:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-06 09:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 00:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 07:47 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 17:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 06:59 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 11:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 19:19 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 08:29 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 12:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-08 20:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 00:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:36 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 09:09 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 14:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-10 23:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 16:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 08:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-11 13:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 14:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 16:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 16:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 07:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 18:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 09:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:22 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 12:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 23:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:45 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ronnie Pantelakos <ina@snl.gr> - 2026-03-12 17:38 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-12 22:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Tathan Nagahama <gagngt@mmatata.jp> - 2026-03-12 22:11 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-13 01:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Cristobal Umehara <be@iu.jp> - 2026-03-13 16:50 +0000
Re: energy and mass Jairo Pantelakos <soaonjo@iai.gr> - 2026-03-14 13:21 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 16:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 16:59 -0700
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 16:23 +0100
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Brock Nakamura <cruan@bknkkror.jp> - 2026-03-14 15:39 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 18:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Virgil Dömötör <rr@egi.hu> - 2026-03-14 17:43 +0000
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Kyndal Zsoldos <odondo@ndzsda.hu> - 2026-03-14 15:52 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 18:37 +0100
Re: GPS Mikey Santiago <ime@ymsn.pt> - 2026-03-14 19:49 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 15:29 +0100
Re: GPS Frauly Christakos <acrahr@afrafs.gr> - 2026-03-15 14:37 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 19:17 +0100
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 19:22 +0100
Re: energy and mass Enmanuel Jacques <cucus@mulneam.fr> - 2026-03-15 20:00 +0000
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-15 22:40 +0100
Re: GPS Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 23:06 +0100
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Nestor Rooijakkers <skk@ereno.nl> - 2026-03-16 14:15 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 15:37 +0100
Re: GPS Bernie Gonzalez <inzbi@rol.es> - 2026-03-16 17:13 +0000
Re: energy and mass athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-03-16 11:27 +0000
Re: energy and mass Shay Hofwegen <gwg@eewyow.nl> - 2026-03-16 17:25 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 08:08 -0700
Re: GPS Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-16 10:16 +0100
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:26 -0700
Re: GPS Leopold Bicchieri <deo@rehi.it> - 2026-03-16 14:26 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 18:16 +0100
Re: GPS Lowen Missiakos <osmi@wlss.gr> - 2026-03-14 17:49 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-14 19:44 +0100
Re: GPS Ridge Górski <kgie@gigg.pl> - 2026-03-14 19:39 +0000
Re: GPS Krinden Hoffmann <efne@roeaa.de> - 2026-03-15 14:44 +0000
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 01:20 +0100
GPS (was: energy and mass) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 01:22 +0100
Re: GPS (was: energy and mass) Jovanni Rodrigues <iav@ignj.pt> - 2026-03-16 14:00 +0000
Re: GPS Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-16 15:26 +0100
Re: GPS Webster Schuchardt <tcbr@tteue.de> - 2026-03-16 14:33 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 07:54 -0700
Re: GPS Hever Ramires <ihme@aermr.pt> - 2026-03-16 17:09 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:08 -0700
Re: GPS Kile Karolina <oeelka@aili.net> - 2026-03-17 18:05 +0000
Re: GPS Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 14:44 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Donel Profeta <aadeafe@nefe.it> - 2026-03-15 15:17 +0000
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 18:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-12 10:35 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-15 21:42 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-16 08:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 18:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-17 01:14 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 00:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-17 10:34 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-18 00:27 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 21:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-18 11:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-18 11:47 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 15:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:11 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 15:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-18 23:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 09:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 20:38 +1100
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-19 11:54 -0700
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-20 11:59 -0700
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-20 15:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-03-22 12:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 23:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:23 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 07:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 10:59 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 11:41 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 13:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 23:59 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 07:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-09 21:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 15:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 15:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 22:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-10 16:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-09 23:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:25 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 04:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:45 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 16:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 08:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 16:10 +0100
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-11 07:44 -0800 |
| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
| Message-ID | <cd8pok9tasgrtlv5si2dj5klugastpo0vd@4ax.com> |
On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 15:23:04 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> wrote: >john larkin wrote: >> [...] (Stefan Ram) wrote: >>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote or quoted: >>>> Two gamma rays (zero mass total) can collide to produce a particle >>>> pair (which has mass.) >>> >>> [irrelevant and misleading/wrong calculation] >> >> The gamma rays had no gravitational effect on the rest of the mass in >> the universe, > >Wrong. > >> up until the instant that they collided > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >Nonsense. > >> to form a particle pair. > >Wrong. > >> Then a gravitational object magically appeared. > >Wrong. Since the postulation and confirmation of general relativity we know >that gravitational effects are not (solely) based on mass, but rather more >generally on the density of stress, energy, and momentum: > >The Einstein Field Equations are in units where c = 1 > > G_ab + Lambda g_ab = 8pi G T_ab, > >where > > G_ab = R_ab - 1/2 R g_ab > >is (a component of) the Einstein tensor, R_ab is the Ricci curvature tensor, >g_ab is the metric tensor, R = g^ab R_ab is the Ricci curvature scalar, >Lambda is the cosmological constant, and T_ab is the >(stress--)energy--momentum tensor. > >Gravitional effects are understood (in GR) as a consequence of the curvature >of spacetime which is described by the quantities on the left-hand side of >the equations. > >The energy--momentum tensor of a 1+3-dimensional spacetime has 16 >components, but it is antisymmetric so only 10 of them are unique. Anyhow, >the time--time component is proportional to the energy density which is at >relative rest is proportional to the mass density: > > T_00 ~ rho_E ~ dE_0/dV = c^2 dm/dV = c^2 rho_m. > >> Does't that create a spherical, symmetric, expanding bubble of gravity? > >It does not. > >> I'm just an engineer, > >IOW: This is way over your head. > >As an engineer, though, you should appreciate the requirement to agree and >conform to standards. That includes network standards which you keep >violating by your address munging: > ><https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5536.html#section-3.1.2> > >> but I think this is real. > >It is not. You are arguing from your ignorance. > >> People say it's not technically possible, > >It is possible, just very difficult: > >The total energy of both photons has at least to be equal to the sum of the >rest energies of the particle and antiparticle. > >You would have to separate the particle and the antiparticle to prevent them >from annihilating again, which means that the total energy of both photons >has to be much larger than the sum of the rest energies of the particle and >the antiparticle. You need energy for the magnetic fields that keep them >separated. > >> or that the efffect is too small to worry about, > >A single electron is not very useful, indeed, and you need more energy to >produce it this way than it could do usable work because it needs kinetic >energy *and* rest energy E_0 = m_e c^2. > >> or some other excuse for not saying that it could happen. >> >> There is an electrical equivalent. A metal sphere could suddenly >> become charged, > >No, the total electric charge is conserved. What happens in "charging" is >that electric charge is added from or removed to somewhere else. > >Electric charge can also be "induced" by bringing an electrically charge in >the vicinity of an electrically neutral object. Then the carriers of >electric charge in the formerly neutral object arrange themselves such that >the distribution of electric charge is no longer uniform: > > .---------. ,---------. > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (-) (+) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (-) (+) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (-) (+) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (-) (+) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (-) (+) : : (+) (-) : > '---------' '---------' > > Some time later: > > .---------. ,---------. > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > : (+) (-) : : (+) (-) : > '---------' '---------' > >> and it would create a symmetric e-field pulse that >> expands at the speed of light, like a wave, but it isn't >> electromagnetic. > >Nonsense. A changing electric field induces a magnetic field, and a >changing magnetic field induces an electric field: Can that be done with e-field spherical symmetry? How would the H field know which direction to point? > > ? × B = ?? J + (1/c^2) ?E/?t, > ? × E = -?B/?t. Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) |
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| Date | 2026-02-11 18:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1rqdqrq.1rx7k5o10kkc3wN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> |
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john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: [...] > Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? > > I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. > That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing things. -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-02-11 23:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1rqe2mp.3yi8031sc40lkN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
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Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote: > john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > > > [...] > > > Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? > > > > I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. > > That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. > > Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing > things. Like Isaac Newton for example? (but he denied to much) Jan
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 09:50 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mv86gjFug5vU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #668610 |
Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: > john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > > > [...] > >> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >> >> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. > > Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing > things. > > Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability to invent. Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to invent, which would include physicists. But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training in the use of the required means. Also the usual job description of engineers is more related to invention than those of physicst. But there exists no laws, that would prohibit inventions by physicists -at least not in Germany. US laws are different, however, and nobody actually knows, what they forbid or demand (besides a set of 'sorcerers', which charge insane fees for legal informations). TH
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 07:23 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <h1guok1cssk01rjvhl3fnd09e7fa90bljl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #668669 |
On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote: >Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >>> >>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. >> >> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing >> things. >> >> > >Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability >to invent. > >Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to >invent, which would include physicists. > >But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training >in the use of the required means. Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, exploring the extremes of the solutuin space, staying confused. > >Also the usual job description of engineers is more related to invention >than those of physicst. > >But there exists no laws, that would prohibit inventions by physicists >-at least not in Germany. US laws are different, however, and nobody >actually knows, what they forbid or demand (besides a set of >'sorcerers', which charge insane fees for legal informations). There's no legal restrictions on inventing things here in the USA. Lots of people do it, amateurs included. The vacuum diode (Edison effect), the triode, the airplane, the klystron, electronic TV, the personal computer, lots of stuff was invented by unauthorized people. But I think there is a negative correlation of inventing vs advanced degrees. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-02-14 03:51 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10mnkql$2g3p7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #668680 |
On 14/02/2026 2:23 am, john larkin wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >>>> >>>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >>>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. >>> >>> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing >>> things. >>> >>> >> >> Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability >> to invent. >> >> Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to >> invent, which would include physicists. >> >> But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training >> in the use of the required means. > > Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. The only physics course I took didn't involve a lot of repetition. What's taught is how to recognise a situation, and how to look at it in way that lets you do something constructive with it. Even training sheep dogs involves more that instilling repetitve patterns of behavior. > Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, > exploring the extremes of the solution space, staying confused. Not for me, or the inventive people I've known. Alan Dower Blumlein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Blumlein had clocked up 128 patents before he died at age 38. He wasn't at all crazy, or confused. One patent I got struck me as entirely obvious until I'd had to explain it to enough people to realise that it wasn't obvious to people "skilled in the art". >> Also the usual job description of engineers is more related to invention >> than those of physicst. >> >> But there exists no laws, that would prohibit inventions by physicists >> -at least not in Germany. US laws are different, however, and nobody >> actually knows, what they forbid or demand (besides a set of >> 'sorcerers', which charge insane fees for legal informations). > > There's no legal restrictions on inventing things here in the USA. > Lots of people do it, amateurs included. > > The vacuum diode (Edison effect), the triode, the airplane, the > klystron, electronic TV, the personal computer, lots of stuff was > invented by unauthorized people. Electronic TV, as opposed to mechanically scanned systems, was invented by people who had academic training - Blumlein at EMI certainly had, and the crew at RCA who invented much the same system weren't amateurs. > But I think there is a negative correlation of inventing vs advanced > degrees. You would. Advanced degrees are about learning stuff. The more you know, the more likely you are to see an unexpected connection which can be exploited in a patentable way. My father had a B.Sc. and got about 25 patents, my boss at EMI had a Ph.D. and got 25 patents, and my friend from my undergraduate days took quite a while to get his B.Sc. and an M.Sc. and has clocked up just as many. Nothing about academic training strikes me as likely to make you less likely to invent something. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 09:52 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <acouok11qs3tg7srkiasqgp6p5sbhtr9p5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #668683 |
On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 03:51:17 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >On 14/02/2026 2:23 am, john larkin wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >> wrote: >> >>> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >>>>> >>>>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >>>>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. >>>> >>>> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing >>>> things. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability >>> to invent. >>> >>> Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to >>> invent, which would include physicists. >>> >>> But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training >>> in the use of the required means. >> >> Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. > >The only physics course I took didn't involve a lot of repetition. >What's taught is how to recognise a situation, and how to look at it in >way that lets you do something constructive with it. Even training sheep >dogs involves more that instilling repetitve patterns of behavior. > >> Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, >> exploring the extremes of the solution space, staying confused. > >Not for me, or the inventive people I've known. Alan Dower Blumlein > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Blumlein > >had clocked up 128 patents before he died at age 38. He wasn't at all >crazy, or confused. One patent I got struck me as entirely obvious until >I'd had to explain it to enough people to realise that it wasn't obvious >to people "skilled in the art". > >>> Also the usual job description of engineers is more related to invention >>> than those of physicst. >>> >>> But there exists no laws, that would prohibit inventions by physicists >>> -at least not in Germany. US laws are different, however, and nobody >>> actually knows, what they forbid or demand (besides a set of >>> 'sorcerers', which charge insane fees for legal informations). >> >> There's no legal restrictions on inventing things here in the USA. >> Lots of people do it, amateurs included. >> >> The vacuum diode (Edison effect), the triode, the airplane, the >> klystron, electronic TV, the personal computer, lots of stuff was >> invented by unauthorized people. > >Electronic TV, as opposed to mechanically scanned systems, was invented >by people who had academic training - Blumlein at EMI certainly had, and >the crew at RCA who invented much the same system weren't amateurs. > >> But I think there is a negative correlation of inventing vs advanced >> degrees. > >You would. Advanced degrees are about learning stuff. The more you know, >the more likely you are to see an unexpected connection which can be >exploited in a patentable way. My father had a B.Sc. and got about 25 >patents, my boss at EMI had a Ph.D. and got 25 patents, and my friend >from my undergraduate days took quite a while to get his B.Sc. and an >M.Sc. and has clocked up just as many. > >Nothing about academic training strikes me as likely to make you less >likely to invent something. Given that cathode ray tubes existed in 1890, it's astounding that the triode amplifier was invented by de Forest in 1905. He never understood how it worked. Academics seem to enjoy ridiculing people that they see as wrong; you can see that here. That's a bad environment for inventing stuff. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 18:06 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <Dirac-20260213190352@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de> |
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john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote or quoted: >Academics seem to enjoy ridiculing people that they see as wrong; you >can see that here. That's a bad environment for inventing stuff. |It is interesting to note that Bohr was an outspoken critic |of Einstein's light quantum (prior to 1924), that he |discouraged Dirac's work on the relativistic electron theory |(telling him, incorrectly, that Klein and Gordon had already |succeeded), that he opposed Pauli's introduction of the |neutrino. that he ridiculed Yukawa's theory of the meson, and |that he disparaged Feynman's approach to quantum electrodynamics. | footnote on page 23 in "Introduction to Elementary Particles" (1987) - David Griffiths (David J. Griffiths) And when Dirac met Feynman, the first thing he said (as I remember having read somewhere) was, "I have an equation; what do you have?". It was also Paul Dirac (1902/1984) who told one young student that his theory, "was not even wrong", and who AFAIK, thereby, invented this expression!
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 10:17 -0800 |
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| In reply to | #668697 |
On 02/13/2026 10:06 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: > john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote or quoted: >> Academics seem to enjoy ridiculing people that they see as wrong; you >> can see that here. That's a bad environment for inventing stuff. > > |It is interesting to note that Bohr was an outspoken critic > |of Einstein's light quantum (prior to 1924), that he > |discouraged Dirac's work on the relativistic electron theory > |(telling him, incorrectly, that Klein and Gordon had already > |succeeded), that he opposed Pauli's introduction of the > |neutrino. that he ridiculed Yukawa's theory of the meson, and > |that he disparaged Feynman's approach to quantum electrodynamics. > | > footnote on page 23 in "Introduction to Elementary Particles" (1987) > - David Griffiths (David J. Griffiths) > > And when Dirac met Feynman, the first thing he said (as I remember > having read somewhere) was, "I have an equation; what do you have?". > > It was also Paul Dirac (1902/1984) who told one young student > that his theory, "was not even wrong", and who AFAIK, thereby, > invented this expression! > > Yeah, yet who uttered: "Gravity: it's not just a good idea: it's the law."
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 10:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <hqsuok9ds0js30g1utmd6kv8v9j017srvc@4ax.com> |
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On 13 Feb 2026 18:06:22 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote: >john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote or quoted: >>Academics seem to enjoy ridiculing people that they see as wrong; you >>can see that here. That's a bad environment for inventing stuff. > >|It is interesting to note that Bohr was an outspoken critic >|of Einstein's light quantum (prior to 1924), that he >|discouraged Dirac's work on the relativistic electron theory >|(telling him, incorrectly, that Klein and Gordon had already >|succeeded), that he opposed Pauli's introduction of the >|neutrino. that he ridiculed Yukawa's theory of the meson, and >|that he disparaged Feynman's approach to quantum electrodynamics. >| >footnote on page 23 in "Introduction to Elementary Particles" (1987) >- David Griffiths (David J. Griffiths) > > And when Dirac met Feynman, the first thing he said (as I remember > having read somewhere) was, "I have an equation; what do you have?". > Great line. I'll add it to my collection of quotes. I like this one: Experiment is the only means of knowledge at our disposal. Everything else is poetry, imagination. - Max Planck John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1rqhp7a.ugqyun8rqj9pN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #668707 |
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > On 13 Feb 2026 18:06:22 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) > wrote: > > >john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote or quoted: > >>Academics seem to enjoy ridiculing people that they see as wrong; you > >>can see that here. That's a bad environment for inventing stuff. > > > >|It is interesting to note that Bohr was an outspoken critic > >|of Einstein's light quantum (prior to 1924), that he > >|discouraged Dirac's work on the relativistic electron theory > >|(telling him, incorrectly, that Klein and Gordon had already > >|succeeded), that he opposed Pauli's introduction of the > >|neutrino. that he ridiculed Yukawa's theory of the meson, and > >|that he disparaged Feynman's approach to quantum electrodynamics. > >| > >footnote on page 23 in "Introduction to Elementary Particles" (1987) > >- David Griffiths (David J. Griffiths) > > > > And when Dirac met Feynman, the first thing he said (as I remember > > having read somewhere) was, "I have an equation; what do you have?". > > > > Great line. I'll add it to my collection of quotes. I advise you against it. > I like this one: > > Experiment is the only means of knowledge at our disposal. > Everything else is poetry, imagination. > - Max Planck Serious source? Jan
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1rqhp2p.z1fcyuzmctiuN%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #668697 |
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote: > john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote or quoted: > >Academics seem to enjoy ridiculing people that they see as wrong; you > >can see that here. That's a bad environment for inventing stuff. > > |It is interesting to note that Bohr was an outspoken critic > |of Einstein's light quantum (prior to 1924), that he > |discouraged Dirac's work on the relativistic electron theory > |(telling him, incorrectly, that Klein and Gordon had already > |succeeded), that he opposed Pauli's introduction of the > |neutrino. that he ridiculed Yukawa's theory of the meson, and > |that he disparaged Feynman's approach to quantum electrodynamics. > | > footnote on page 23 in "Introduction to Elementary Particles" (1987) > - David Griffiths (David J. Griffiths) David Griffiths' footnotes are a source for David Griffiths, not for Niels Bohr. > And when Dirac met Feynman, the first thing he said (as I remember > having read somewhere) was, "I have an equation; what do you have?". Serious source? > It was also Paul Dirac (1902/1984) who told one young student > that his theory, "was not even wrong", and who AFAIK, thereby, > invented this expression! This one is just plain wrong, Jan
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| From | Brody Baikov <aav@booayoki.ru> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 23:16 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10mobbg$2nk6m$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #668722 |
J. J. Lodder wrote: >> It was also Paul Dirac (1902/1984) who told one young student that >> his theory, "was not even wrong", and who AFAIK, thereby, invented >> this expression! > > This one is just plain wrong, gay einstine was gay, deplorable, in gay america polakia, gay too.. very gay
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-02-14 06:52 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10mnvdv$2jeh7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #668692 |
On 14/02/2026 4:52 am, john larkin wrote: > On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 03:51:17 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> > wrote: > >> On 14/02/2026 2:23 am, john larkin wrote: >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: <snip> > Given that cathode ray tubes existed in 1890, it's astounding that the > triode amplifier was invented by de Forest in 1905. He never > understood how it worked. > > Academics seem to enjoy ridiculing people that they see as wrong; you > can see that here. That's a bad environment for inventing stuff. Academics see the necessity for identifying and correcting errors. If you'd had any experience of the time that can get wasted on elaborating fundamentally silly ideas you be less tolerant. There was a project at EMI Central Research for doing image reconstruction with ultrasound beams travelling through the human body in different directions. The guy - C.A.G.LeMay - that thought it up had lots of credibility. He'd invented the image reconstruction algorithm that made the EMI brain and body-scanners practical. He ignored the fact that ultrasound beams - unlike X-rays - don't travel through the body in nice predictable straight lines. He did claim that you could get around this, but never explained how in any sort of convincing detail. I was supposed to be the senior engineer supervising a team to build the hardware that would make his idea work. I was rude enough about the project that I didn't get stuck with the job, and the unfortunates that did get stuck with trying to make it work had to deal with his nasty habit of fiddling with the hardware after everybody else had gone home without document the the changes he'd made. Their first job, every morning, was checking the machine for undocumented changes. It didn't work, and wasted a lot of time and money. I blame myself - and my boss - for not ridiculing the idea sufficiently energetically to get it thrown out. There are a lot more bad ideas than good ideas, and you do need to weed out as many of the bad ones as you can. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 23:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1rqhpjj.1spyiba1fazqr7N%nospam@de-ster.demon.nl> |
| In reply to | #668680 |
john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > wrote: > > >Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: > >> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? > >>> > >>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. > >>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. > >> > >> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing > >> things. > >> > >> > > > >Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability > >to invent. > > > >Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to > >invent, which would include physicists. > > > >But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training > >in the use of the required means. > > Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. > > Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, > exploring the extremes of the solutuin space, staying confused. It would seem that you have no problem with that, Jan
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-13 21:03 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <0400pkl4g2v92qkpp380q0k4jbkddjau3p@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #668715 |
On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 23:40:25 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote: >john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: > >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >> wrote: >> >> >Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >> >> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> [...] >> >> >> >>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >> >>> >> >>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >> >>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. >> >> >> >> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing >> >> things. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability >> >to invent. >> > >> >Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to >> >invent, which would include physicists. >> > >> >But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training >> >in the use of the required means. >> >> Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. >> >> Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, >> exploring the extremes of the solutuin space, staying confused. > >It would seem that you have no problem with that, > >Jan Most engineers are reluctant to stay confused. They dislike uncertainty, so lock down on a conventional, clumsy circuit or architecture asap and then grunt it out. It's better to explore possibilities for a while, see if there is a better idea somewhere out there. Then switch gears to careful, disciplined design, to get it right the first time. Not many people can do both. The last name of s.e.d. is design. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-02-14 22:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10mpn4c$347mu$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #668735 |
On 14/02/2026 4:03 pm, john larkin wrote: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 23:40:25 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. > Lodder) wrote: > >> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >>>>>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. >>>>> >>>>> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing >>>>> things. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability >>>> to invent. >>>> >>>> Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to >>>> invent, which would include physicists. >>>> >>>> But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training >>>> in the use of the required means. >>> >>> Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. >>> >>> Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, >>> exploring the extremes of the solutuin space, staying confused. >> >> It would seem that you have no problem with that, >> >> Jan > > Most engineers are reluctant to stay confused. Confused isn't the right word for it. Exploratory is probably closer to the mark. > They dislike uncertainty, so lock down on a conventional, clumsy circuit or > architecture asap and then grunt it out. Laziness does encourage people to go with the first idea that comes to mind. They will try to make it work long after they should torn up the first idea and started looking at other approaches. Not something you've ever talked about doing. > It's better to explore possibilities for a while, see if there is a > better idea somewhere out there. That's certainly true, but they aren't confused while they are looking - just in exploration mode rather than being locked into single-minded exploitation > Then switch gears to careful, disciplined design, to get it right the > first time. You can't be careful and disciplined until you know exactly where you are going, and you frequently don't know that until you've got most of the way there. > Not many people can do both. And nobody sane would try to. > The last name of s.e.d. is design. And you don't seem to know much about it. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2026-02-14 08:06 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <k071pkl5dd6q4uo007p5ihc5t3ejdprdmk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #668748 |
On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 22:42:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote: >On 14/02/2026 4:03 pm, john larkin wrote: >> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 23:40:25 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. >> Lodder) wrote: >> >>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >>>>>>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. >>>>>> >>>>>> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing >>>>>> things. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability >>>>> to invent. >>>>> >>>>> Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to >>>>> invent, which would include physicists. >>>>> >>>>> But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training >>>>> in the use of the required means. >>>> >>>> Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. >>>> >>>> Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, >>>> exploring the extremes of the solutuin space, staying confused. >>> >>> It would seem that you have no problem with that, >>> >>> Jan >> >> Most engineers are reluctant to stay confused. > >Confused isn't the right word for it. Exploratory is probably closer to >the mark. It doesn't matter what you call it as long as you are willing to do it. > >> They dislike uncertainty, so lock down on a conventional, clumsy circuit or >> architecture asap and then grunt it out. > >Laziness does encourage people to go with the first idea that comes to >mind. They will try to make it work long after they should torn up the >first idea and started looking at other approaches. Not something you've >ever talked about doing. It's not usually laziness. It's fear of being criticized, fear of rejecting authority, fear of being wrong even temporarily. In the case of managers, it's fear of not meeting rigid milestones. > >> It's better to explore possibilities for a while, see if there is a >> better idea somewhere out there. > >That's certainly true, but they aren't confused while they are looking - >just in exploration mode rather than being locked into single-minded >exploitation I encourage genuine confusion. That's fun and it works. > >> Then switch gears to careful, disciplined design, to get it right the >> first time. > >You can't be careful and disciplined until you know exactly where you >are going, and you frequently don't know that until you've got most of >the way there. > >> Not many people can do both. > >And nobody sane would try to. I do, but I don't claim to be sane. > >> The last name of s.e.d. is design. > >And you don't seem to know much about it. Design something. Then sell it. John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2026-02-15 05:07 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10mqdku$3ca6v$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #668757 |
On 15/02/2026 3:06 am, john larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Feb 2026 22:42:53 +1100, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/02/2026 4:03 pm, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 23:40:25 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>
>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham:
>>>>>>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality.
>>>>>>>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing
>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability
>>>>>> to invent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to
>>>>>> invent, which would include physicists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training
>>>>>> in the use of the required means.
>>>>>
>>>>> Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained.
>>>>>
>>>>> Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy,
>>>>> exploring the extremes of the solutuin space, staying confused.
>>>>
>>>> It would seem that you have no problem with that,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>
>>> Most engineers are reluctant to stay confused.
>>
>> Confused isn't the right word for it. Exploratory is probably closer to
>> the mark.
>
> It doesn't matter what you call it as long as you are willing to do
> it.
It does matter what you call it, because that does influence the way you
approach it.
>>> They dislike uncertainty, so lock down on a conventional, clumsy circuit or
>>> architecture asap and then grunt it out.
>>
>> Laziness does encourage people to go with the first idea that comes to
>> mind. They will try to make it work long after they should torn up the
>> first idea and started looking at other approaches. Not something you've
>> ever talked about doing.
>
> It's not usually laziness. It's fear of being criticized, fear of
> rejecting authority, fear of being wrong even temporarily. In the case
> of managers, it's fear of not meeting rigid milestones.
Trying to get an inadequate idea to work long after you should have
tried something different does lead to fairly fierce criticism. If it
does involve rejecting authority, the authority involved would be guilty
of micromanagement. Fear of being wrong shouldn't come into it - there's
rarely an absolutely right answer to any design question, and most
practical solutions are imperfect to some extent
>>> It's better to explore possibilities for a while, see if there is a
>>> better idea somewhere out there.
>>
>> That's certainly true, but they aren't confused while they are looking -
>> just in exploration mode rather than being locked into single-minded
>> exploitation
>
> I encourage genuine confusion. That's fun and it works.
Then you have a funny idea of what constitutes confusion.
The dictionary definition is
"uncertainty about what is happening, intended, or required.
"there seems to be some confusion about which system does what"
"a situation of panic or disorder.
"the guaranteed income bond market was thrown into confusion"
bles
2.
the state of being bewildered or unclear in one's mind about something.
"she looked about her in confusion""
You can't design anything if you don't know what it is intended to do.
It's perfectly okay to be uncertain about exactly how you are going to
get it do do what is required, and you should try to come up with
alternative approaches, but you do need to know what you are doing.
>>> Then switch gears to careful, disciplined design, to get it right the
>>> first time.
>>
>> You can't be careful and disciplined until you know exactly where you
>> are going, and you frequently don't know that until you've got most of
>> the way there.
>>
>>> Not many people can do both.
>>
>> And nobody sane would try to.
>
> I do, but I don't claim to be sane.
You don't seem to have gone bust yet, so you are probably sane enough
for all practical purposes.
>>> The last name of s.e.d. is design.
>>
>> And you don't seem to know much about it.
>
> Design something. Then sell it.
Two different skill sets. Having worked for a guy who was much more
interested in getting a product that were easy to sell as opposed to one
that worked reliably after he'd sold it, I'm well aware of the difference.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Date | 2026-02-14 11:02 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <mvav1vFdr1gU6@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #668680 |
Am Freitag000013, 13.02.2026 um 16:23 schrieb john larkin: > On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 09:50:59 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> > wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.02.2026 um 19:47 schrieb Liz Tuddenham: >>> john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> [...] >>> >>>> Why are physics types so often insulting and obnoxious? >>>> >>>> I've been to physics meetings that shocked me with their brutality. >>>> That mentality is terrible for brainstorming and inventing things. >>> >>> Physicists are particulary careful to prove that they are NOT inventing >>> things. >>> >>> >> >> Of course physicist could invent whatever they want and have the ability >> to invent. >> >> Science isn't organised in 'guilds' and everybody has the right to >> invent, which would include physicists. >> >> But mainly the engineers invent things, because they have more training >> in the use of the required means. > > Training teaches repetition. Dogs are trained. > > Inventing things is a separate skill. It involves being crazy, > exploring the extremes of the solutuin space, staying confused. > >> >> Also the usual job description of engineers is more related to invention >> than those of physicst. >> >> But there exists no laws, that would prohibit inventions by physicists >> -at least not in Germany. US laws are different, however, and nobody >> actually knows, what they forbid or demand (besides a set of >> 'sorcerers', which charge insane fees for legal informations). > > There's no legal restrictions on inventing things here in the USA. > Lots of people do it, amateurs included. > > The vacuum diode (Edison effect), the triode, the airplane, the > klystron, electronic TV, the personal computer, lots of stuff was > invented by unauthorized people. Sure, but the USA has also some reputation for confiscating unwanted inventions. There had been several instances, where patents got locked away, because they would threaten 'national security'. There were interesting inventions, which could eventually had advanced mankind, but were allegedly threatening some interests. E.g. there was Stan Meyers' 'Watercar', Tesla's 'Wardencliff Tower' or Wilhelm Reich's 'Cloudbuster', the 'cure for cancer' by Royal Raimund Reife or magnetic levitation in Coral Castle. I personally had the idea, that 'cold fusion' actually worked and was possibly the real cause of the implosion of the twintowers on 9/11. So, yes, inventions are allowed in the USA, but are actually a risky thing, because all of the above got in trouble. ... TH
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