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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Relativity theory from other angles |
| Date | 2024-10-20 08:44 +0200 |
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Am Samstag000019, 19.10.2024 um 18:59 schrieb Ross Finlayson: > On 10/18/2024 11:47 PM, Thomas Heger wrote: >> Am Samstag000019, 19.10.2024 um 05:03 schrieb Ross Finlayson: >>> On 10/18/2024 07:48 PM, bertietaylor wrote: >>>> On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 0:44:11 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey, what if you derive >>>>> light speed from the >>>>> mass-energy equivalency >>>>> instead of the other way around? >>>> >>>> What exactly makes you think that mass and energy are equivalent? >>> >>> It's sort of simpler to have everything "pure energy" >>> that everything "pure mass" or "pure charge" or >>> "pure velocity of an organized image" or >>> "pure lifetime of a nuclear radioisotope", >>> it's sort of central and sits neatly in the space, >>> it's chargeless, massless, has no velocity, always changes. >> >> >> I personally regard E= m*c² as wrong. >> >> It should be: >> delta(E) = -delta(m)*c² >> >> But actually I think, that the imaginary unit i should be used here, too. >> >> Energie is in a way 'rotated' mass, if you multiply mass by i and regard >> i as factor, which would rotate by an angle of 90°. >> >> I named the 'unrotated' pattern 'mass term' and let it point upwards (be >> timelike). >> >> So mass is timelike and charge (potential) spacelike. >> >> Inbetween we have 'light-like' and that is the realm, where energy is >> radiated away. >> >> But non-radiating energy should also be able exist somewhere (as >> 'potential') and that is the timeless realm, which we call 'spacelike'. >> >> And that is the hyperplane of the present, if we regard the axis of time >> as normal to it and imaginary. >> ... >> >> >> TH > > Well, it is what it is, an approximation, e = mc^2, and that > there's apocryphally some testing of it via experiment, > then though it's so that the changes in energy's state > and configuration and location as a packet-of-potentials, > has various forms (formulas). > > > Then it seems you idea invokes DesCartes' or Kelvin's vortices, > with regards to the two usual ideas, one being that the > linear goes into the rotational, and the other that the > rotational goes into the linear, and the usual idea of > the equal and opposite linear, then as well for the usual > the equal and opposite linear at the head of a packet-train > of the rotational the vorticial, with the idea that the > equal and opposite reactions, > are systemic. > Actually I have never heard about 'Kelvin's vortices'. It sounds a little similar to my own idea, but not that close. Most 19th century physicists were 'aetherists', while I would call myself 'relativist'. I personally use 'spacetime of GR' as kind of 'relativistic aether'. But then I would agree to Kelvin. About Descartes I have no idea. (Possibly I should have a look on what he wrote about atoms.) See here: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing TH
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Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-18 17:44 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2024-10-19 02:48 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-18 20:03 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-18 20:23 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2024-10-19 04:22 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-19 09:40 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-19 06:11 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-19 09:46 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-20 09:50 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-20 09:16 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2024-10-20 20:54 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-20 17:35 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-20 18:15 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-22 00:50 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-10-22 02:43 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 12:45 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-22 21:59 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-22 17:47 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-23 02:11 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-21 03:04 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-21 10:42 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2024-10-22 00:46 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-19 08:47 +0200
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-19 09:59 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-10-20 08:44 +0200
Re: Relativity theory from other angles hertz778@gmail.com (rhertz) - 2024-10-19 03:06 +0000
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-18 20:30 -0700
Re: Relativity theory from other angles nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-10-20 21:06 +0200
Re: Relativity theory from other angles Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-10-20 17:30 -0700
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