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Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics

From Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics
Date 2024-08-11 10:55 +0200
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On 2024-08-10 16:32:03 +0000, Python said:

> Le 10/08/2024 à 18:26, Richard Hachel a écrit :
>> Le 10/08/2024 à 18:14, Python a écrit :
>>> Le 10/08/2024 à 18:09, gharnagel a écrit :
>>>> On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 15:29:23 +0000, Maciej Wozniak wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> W dniu 10.08.2024 o 15:02, gharnagel pisze:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At first, Einstein was ignored, and it took quite a while for
>>>>>> the PTB to come around.  But it didn't happen until experimental
>>>>>> evidence prevailed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Only such an idiot believe these nonsensical
>>>>> ideological lies, Harrie, and the mumble of
>>>>> the idiot was not even consistent.
>>>> 
>>>> Wozzie has told so many lies, he can't discern truth from his
>>>> outrageous fantasies :-))
>>> 
>>> It is actually not a lie if he really believes his fallacious claims
>>> to be true.
>>> 
>>> IMHO he is demented and dumb enough to actually believe his unsound
>>> "arguments".
>> 
>> Ah, te voilà, toi?
>> 
>> Je te croyais disparu sous la claque que tu t'es prise, et qui portait 
>> sur Nostradamus.
>> 
>> Je t'ai demandé d'expliquer le quatrain (ce que j'ai fait, et qui n'a 
>> rien à voir avec tes conneries de Louis XIV) et de me montrer si, avec 
>> tes immenses talents d'historiens ou de critique, tu pouvais me prouver 
>> que cela avait été écris avant 1660.
>> Magnes toi un peu les couilles, au lieu de faire le con sur usenet.
> 
> [for non French-speaking readers: M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand is
> babbling some unclear claims about Nostradamus' "predictions" here]

Most of Nostradamus's "predictions" are so vague and unclesr that you 
can interpret them any way you like. However, there is one that stands 
out:

L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois
Du ciel viendra un grand Roy d'effrayeur
Ressusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois
Avant après Mars règner par bonheur.

Lines 2 to 4 are as unclear as everything else that Nostradamus wrote, 
but line 1 is interesting, as it gives a very precise date, the 7th 
month of 1999, far in the future for Nostradamus, but fairly recent for 
us. What could it refer to? For the simple-minded  fantasists he could 
be predicting the death of Hassan 2, King of Morocco, but if you ask 
what event of July 1999 could Nostradamus possibly have predicted, the 
only rational answer is the eclipse of the sun on 11th August 1999. In 
his time there was enough astronomical knowledge and methods of 
calculation to predict an eclipse in 1999. Before you object that 
August is not the 7th month, bear in mind that the Gregorian calendar 
was introduced some time after Nostradamus.

Drifting even further from the topic, today "nonante" is regarded as 
typical of Belgian French, but apparently it was more widely used in 
Nostradamus's time.
> 
> I don't give a sh*t on this new stupid hobby of yours. I would,
> anyway, be concerned if I lived in Saint-Izan-de-Soudiac and a
> local country Doctor was fond of this kind of demented nonsense.

-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly 
in England until 1987.

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  Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2024-08-07 10:09 +0000
    Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-07 13:18 +0000
      Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-07 14:25 +0000
        Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-07 14:44 +0000
          Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-07 16:47 +0200
            Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-07 17:25 +0000
              Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-08-07 22:22 +0200
          Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-07 15:58 +0000
            Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-07 17:34 +0000
              Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 13:06 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-08 11:20 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 13:41 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-08 12:03 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 14:10 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-08 12:15 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 14:21 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-08 12:33 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Tush-Ee Bouloukos <tk@ubsko.gr> - 2024-08-08 11:59 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 14:09 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Deury Echevarría <aeud@ede.es> - 2024-08-08 12:37 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 14:40 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Gilbert Guérin <lbv@uurryr.fr> - 2024-08-08 12:53 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 14:57 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Stony Gergely <tgre@gggene.hu> - 2024-08-08 14:28 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 16:43 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Porcher Leblanc <erre@ooahmn.fr> - 2024-08-08 17:12 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-08 16:44 +0200
          Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-08-07 22:22 +0200
            Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-07 21:28 +0000
              Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-08 04:08 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-08 07:11 +0200
              Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-08-08 09:37 +0200
              Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2024-08-09 20:07 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Ernie Sokolowski <oiik@owelklr.pl> - 2024-08-09 20:51 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-08-11 08:04 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 23:06 -0700
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Clas Babanin <iccc@csaa.ru> - 2024-08-11 11:04 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 05:39 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 09:02 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-10 13:02 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 17:29 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-10 16:09 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-10 18:13 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 16:26 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-10 18:32 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 19:12 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2024-08-11 10:55 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-11 11:21 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-11 20:03 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 18:31 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-10 16:27 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 18:42 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-10 16:56 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-10 19:07 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 19:18 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-10 19:24 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 19:29 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-10 19:31 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 19:35 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-10 19:38 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 19:45 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-10 19:47 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 19:55 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-11 11:22 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-11 12:01 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-11 12:06 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-11 12:13 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 19:31 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 19:11 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-08-10 22:02 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 22:45 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 20:08 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-10 21:32 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 23:10 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-10 23:33 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 23:35 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-11 00:11 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 17:36 -0700
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-11 07:29 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-11 13:16 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-11 14:30 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-11 14:30 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Bunnie Belogubov <beb@ublb.ru> - 2024-08-11 16:58 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-08-11 17:42 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-11 20:04 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-11 18:54 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-11 21:00 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Zasko Mihalkov <ksd@zoaal.ru> - 2024-08-11 19:14 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-11 12:16 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-11 12:18 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Python <python@invalid.org> - 2024-08-11 12:29 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 20:29 +0000
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics  Richard Hachel   <r.hachel@jesauspu.fr> - 2024-08-10 20:55 +0000
            Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-08-07 18:07 -0700
              Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics (running constants) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 12:46 -0700
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics (running constants) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-08-10 22:57 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics (running constants) Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-08-10 22:59 +0200
                Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics (running constants) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-08-10 19:13 -0700
      Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) - 2024-08-09 08:39 +0000
    Re: the notion of counter-intuitiveness in relativistic physics Neville Kalmár <mcnv@ejvl.hu> - 2024-08-08 09:22 +0000

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