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Re: Relativistic aberration

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Relativistic aberration
Date	2024-07-20 08:11 +0200
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Am Freitag000019, 19.07.2024 um 12:20 schrieb Python:
> Le 19/07/2024 à 12:08, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> [snip incoherent babble]
>> To include non-em waves or other frequencies into cosmology would 
>> allow other intuitions, but that is something, which our mainstream 
>> does not like.
> 
> You are awfully ignorant of modern cosmology Thomas.
> 
Well, I had the idea, that the Doppler effect at v>c could make things 
disappear, because redshift beyond zero Hz would create 'invisible rays'.

These 'invisible things' (emitting invisble rays) could be real, well 
and alive, but in a different realm, into which we cannot see.

That would match the discription of a 'black hole', because things get 
sucked in and never return.

If now that 'black hole' is 'relative', we could imagine to be there and 
observe our Earth from there.

In this case the black hole would be here, because Earth had vanished 
from the sight you would have from that remote location.

You could treat this phenomenon also as 'rotation of the axis of time':

if time is a local phenomenon, the remote location had its own axis of 
time and we on Earth have our own time, too.

Now these axes have an angle towards each other.

And because c could be represented by the angle 45° in a spacetime 
diagramm, we could imagine a realm, which exeeds this angle (at least a 
little).

This would be a 'black hole' because the local time there drags 
everything with it, hence nothing can return from there.

See from the other side, this black hole would be a 'white hole' and the 
same thing, that we usually call 'big bang'.


TH

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