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| From | Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: The most ridiculous science mistake in history. |
| Date | 2024-03-29 15:02 +0100 |
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On 2024-03-29 13:48:03 +0000, gharnagel said: >> >> On 3/25/24 10:28 AM, Aether Regained wrote: >>> There are no observable effects of an aether? What then are the >>> electromagnetic and gravitational fields, if not observable effects of >>> an aether? >> >> They are modeled as fields, completely unrelated to any sort of aether. > > We model reality with a system of mathematics based on calculus where > delta_x approaches zero, whereas reality is granular - perhaps down to > the Planck scale, or perhaps not. Don't you think that field theories > are an attempt to circumvent the granularity problem that may contain > the seeds of their own limitations? > >> As I keep saying: you have no hope of "regaining" an aether until you >> explain how the many quantum effects in electrodynamics are explained by >> an aether. > > First one must define what one means by an "aether." AR seems to accept > that it must not have any measurable elements, so I guess he just wants > to have a warm feeling about "waves" :-) > >> Quoting ancient texts to support your position is RELIGION, not science. >> (Writings by Maxwell and Einstein are now ancient texts, because science >> evolves MUCH faster than religion). >> >> Tom Roberts > > Sure, models aren't reality just like maps are not the territory. QFT is > an excellent model (in its domain of applicability) and will probably give > way to a more inclusive model some day. > > Will our ideas of what constitutes "a law of nature" change, too? Do you > believe that E = mc^2 is a law of nature? How about \gamma mc^2? How > about the invariance of c? Or the invariance of m, for that matter? > > Gary -- Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly in England until 1987.
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