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Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction?

From	whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction?
Date	2022-12-19 16:07 -0600
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On 12/19/2022 3:17 PM, Tom Roberts wrote:
> On 12/19/22 1:49 PM, Aether Regaind wrote:
>> The ᴁther was LOST/FORGOTTEN due to Einstein's temptation for GLORY*,
>> FORSAKING REAL UNDERSTANDING.
> 
> Nonsense. In 1905 Einstein was unknown and had just one goal: to obtain
> a university professorship. For that, "glory" and "popularity" would be
> a major drawback, while understanding was essential. Fortunately,
> Einstein understood much more physics than you do, and was aware of the
> social aspects as well (of which you seem completely ignorant). Einstein
> succeeded in reaching his goal; it is highly unlikely that you will
> succeed in your crusade.
> 
>> the ᴁther will be REGAINED/RESTORED.
> 
> Only when you explain IN DETAIL how the ᴁther can do A LOT more than
> simply support light as mechanistic waves, including electric and
> magnetic fields, and most importantly: support quantum phenomena and
> other elementary particles.
> 
>> [... considerable nonsense ignored]
> 
> Ancient quotations and misinterpreting physicists' words will not
> further your cause. Indeed, the ONLY thing that can further acceptance
> of an ᴁther is to explain IN DETAIL how it supports quantum phenomena
> and other elementary particles.

Please consider the possibility that current physics is at a dead end
so far as the currently accepted models are concerned. This is only a
suggestion as I have nothing of substance to offer as a replacement. I
think it likely that creditworthy ᴁther studies will not provide support
for existing models but completely new directions will probably result.

It seems to me that Einstein recognized his limits when he presented his
paper/speech in 1920 on the topic.

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"Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? "sepp623@yahoo.com" <sepp623@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-07 06:25 -0800
  Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Trevor Lange <trevorlange97@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 12:33 -0800
    Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? "sepp623@yahoo.com" <sepp623@yahoo.com> - 2022-12-07 15:58 -0800
      Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Trevor Lange <trevorlange97@gmail.com> - 2022-12-07 16:36 -0800
  Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-08 10:28 +0100
    Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-12-08 14:26 +0000
      Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 02:15 -0800
        Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-12-09 13:19 +0100
        Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-12-09 13:59 +0000
          Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 07:29 -0800
          Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 07:32 -0800
            Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-12-09 15:41 +0000
              Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 08:19 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> - 2022-12-09 16:22 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Trolidan7 <Trolidan7@eternal-september.org> - 2022-12-09 13:03 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> - 2022-12-09 21:28 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-09 16:16 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Hanoi Cuocco <ouco@ocaoch.ho> - 2022-12-10 00:27 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-09 21:45 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-10 02:16 -0500
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 10:08 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Lou  Abatangelo <lbta@autala.nl> - 2022-12-10 20:17 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-10 16:14 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 20:53 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-10 04:54 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-12-10 10:57 -0500
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-10 13:35 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-10 04:03 +0100
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-10 04:57 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Aether Regaind <AetherRegaind@invalid.com> - 2022-12-17 19:02 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemoveandReplaceATkevinaylward.co.uk> - 2022-12-18 13:51 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-18 21:10 +0100
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-18 14:51 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Aether Regaind <AetherRegaind@invalid.com> - 2022-12-19 19:49 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-19 15:17 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-12-19 16:07 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-19 23:50 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemoveandReplaceATkevinaylward.co.uk> - 2022-12-22 09:12 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-22 12:21 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-22 11:23 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 09:20 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 10:35 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 13:04 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 13:19 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-24 14:00 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemoveandReplaceATkevinaylward.co.uk> - 2022-12-29 08:01 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-29 00:28 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-29 11:30 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-29 10:58 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-12-29 13:08 -0600
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-12-29 21:41 -0800
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-20 22:46 +0100
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2022-12-20 22:28 +0100
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Vincenzo Longo <olcv@ovgingln.og> - 2022-12-20 23:57 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-12-09 16:34 +0000
                Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 09:17 -0800
        Crank John-Erik Persson chimes in "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 07:45 -0800
          Re: Crank John-Erik Persson chimes in John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 08:22 -0800
            Re: Crank John-Erik Persson chimes in "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 08:38 -0800
              Re: Crank John-Erik Persson chimes in John-Erik Persson <john.erik.persson@gmail.com> - 2022-12-09 09:17 -0800
        Re: "Physics" of Time Dilation - contradiction? Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-12-10 07:52 -0800

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