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Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent
Date 2022-04-19 12:40 +1000
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On 19-Apr-22 12:05 pm, patdolan wrote:
> General Relativity and Solar System--
> We begin our observation of the distant solar system from flat spacetime.  We are located on the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation.  We are at rest wrt to the solar system.  From this vantage point we note that according to our wrist watches it takes 365.25 days for the earth to complete one revolution around the sun.  No surprise there.  This is exactly what General Relativity predicts.  The earth will execute one stable turn of a helix at an average distance of one AU in the space dimension, for every 31542115 seconds in the time dimension.  General Relativity assures us that curved spacetime in the vicinity of the sun is the sole cause of this behavior.
> 
> Special Relativity and the Solar System--
> Now we acquire a velocity of .867c relative to the solar system, directed along the line that is collinear with the sun’s axis of rotation.  From our new viewing situation we see that the earth’s path through the solar system’s curves spacetime remains identical to the previous case because the earth’s path remains undistorted by Lorentz contraction.  But due to Lorentz time dilation the earth now takes 730.5 days to complete the identical path through the identically curved spacetime.
> 
> To summarize, we observe the earth’s velocity has been halved by Special Relativity while traveling through identically curved spacetime due to General Relativity.  According to General Relativity, this state of affairs is no longer stable.  The solar system’s spacetime will rapidly suck the earth down to  fiery doom.  The Christoffels do not lie.  So either the mere act of someone in a different FoR observing the solar system will doom it, or Relativity is necessarily a many-worlds theory.
> 
> [This should make them ponder things for quite some time, Richard(s).  Sure, that windy birds Bodkin will type something about trees and sports cars tout de sweet.  But his words will be his typical obfuscations for his utter inability to respond in an effective manner.  Tom, Dirk and Sylvia won’t even dare to touch this.  I might be interested in what Townes Olson has to type, however.]

Special Relativity does not generally apply in the presence of gravity, 
so the above is nothing new.

Sylvia.

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General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 19:05 -0700
  Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-04-19 12:40 +1000
    Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 19:45 -0700
      Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-18 20:54 -0700
        Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 21:02 -0700
        Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-18 21:38 -0700
          Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 22:23 -0700
            Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-18 22:37 -0700
              Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 22:41 -0700
            Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 02:31 -0700
          Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-19 00:16 -0700
            Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 02:37 -0700
              Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-19 15:15 -0700
      Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-18 21:38 -0700
        Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 22:34 -0700
          Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 22:38 -0700
          Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 02:04 -0400
            Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 23:20 -0700
              Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 11:10 -0400
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 08:28 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 09:09 -0700
                Cretin Pat Dolan eats shit for breakfast "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 10:08 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan eats shit for breakfast patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 12:53 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan eats shit for breakfast "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 12:58 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan eats shit for breakfast patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 13:07 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan eats shit for breakfast "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 13:29 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan eats shit for breakfast patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 13:37 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan eats shit for breakfast "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 14:14 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 16:35 -0400
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 13:40 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Rob Fujimoto <sbau@btnzbnct.yb> - 2022-04-19 20:45 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 16:46 -0400
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 13:47 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Rob Fujimoto <sbau@btnzbnct.yb> - 2022-04-19 21:02 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 18:42 -0400
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 16:48 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-19 17:20 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-19 17:43 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 10:36 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 03:59 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 09:25 -0700
                Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 09:37 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 09:44 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 09:48 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 09:59 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 10:18 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 10:25 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 10:28 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 10:49 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 10:58 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 11:18 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan keeps on lying "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 11:27 -0700
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 18:12 +0000
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 18:12 +0000
                Re: Piece of shit Pat Dolan showcases his ignorance Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 18:12 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-20 11:06 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 11:12 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 18:26 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 11:50 -0700
                Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan gets to eat it "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 12:03 -0700
                Re: Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan gets to eat it patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 12:12 -0700
                Re: Lying piece of shit Pat Dolan gets to eat it "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 12:15 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 19:09 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 11:15 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-20 11:26 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-20 11:27 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 11:46 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 18:49 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 11:53 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 19:09 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 12:52 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-20 12:16 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 12:22 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 12:31 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 20:31 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 19:28 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-21 00:40 -0400
                Cretin Pat Dolan keeps eating shit. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 14:05 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan keeps eating shit. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 15:46 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan keeps eating shit. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 16:34 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan keeps eating shit. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 16:42 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan keeps eating shit. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 17:04 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan keeps eating shit. patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 18:14 -0700
                Re: Cretin Pat Dolan keeps eating shit. "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 18:20 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-20 21:52 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-21 01:51 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 12:36 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-20 00:49 +0000
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 23:44 -0400
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-19 23:21 -0700
                Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-19 16:22 -0700
            Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-18 23:44 -0700
              Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-19 10:38 -0400
    Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-20 23:20 +0000
      Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-20 16:47 -0700
        Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-21 00:40 +0000
          Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-04-20 19:31 -0700
            Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-21 02:00 -0700
              Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 07:27 -0700
            Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-21 14:49 +0000
        Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 00:50 +0000
      Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-21 00:50 +0000
        Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-04-21 01:12 +0000
  Piece of shit Pad Dolan repeats the same imbecility "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-04-18 19:59 -0700
    Re: Piece of shit Pad Dolan repeats the same imbecility patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 20:55 -0700
      Re: Piece of shit Pad Dolan repeats the same imbecility Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-04-18 22:08 -0700
  Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent Aldo <aldo.mayme.11084@cap.edu.mx> - 2022-04-18 20:19 -0700
    Re: General and Special Relativity are Irreconcilably Inconsistent patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-04-18 20:43 -0700

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