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Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles
Date 2021-12-16 06:49 +0100
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Am 15.12.2021 um 16:03 schrieb Michael Moroney:
> On 12/15/2021 2:37 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 14.12.2021 um 18:47 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>>
>>>>>>>> Well, to me it's not absurd, since I had the mechanism first and
>>>>>>>> wanted to use Growing Earth as proof of concept.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have spent a lot of time on than subject and found several
>>>>>>>> ways to
>>>>>>>> prove, that GE is actually true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What do you think 'prove' means in science?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually you think about something, put the result into a hypothesis,
>>>>>> present that to the public and hope for the best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other scientists usually reject your claim and try to disprove,
>>>>>> what you have written.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What cannot be proven wrong, that is called a theory.
>>>>>
>>>>> You skipped a couple steps, plus didn't say why you use "prove" here.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I had to shorten Popper a little, to squeeze his method into two
>>>> lines.
>>>>
>>>> But if you like, you could read something he wrote.
>>>>
>>>> I don't understand the other statement of you: what's wrong with
>>>> 'prove' in 'disprove'?
>>>
>>> You claimed that you "found several ways to prove, that GE is actually
>>> true." Why did you use the word "prove" here?
>>
>> Well, my 'proves' are actually hints, that GE theory is true and PT is
>> wrong.
>
> So your scientific usage is incorrect.


Well, actually you are right and tried to prove PT wrong.

Because PT and GE are the only two possibilities, which are consistent 
with observed spreading, a disprove of PT would also prove GE.


>>> Again, science never proves theories, only disproves or validates them.
>>
>> It was not my aim to disprove plate tectonics, because I think, PT is
>> bunk.
>
> I was talking about your misuse of 'prove' wrt. growing earth, not PT.

You are in a way right, because we have only hints, that point into a 
certain direction. These are not really proves. But we can exclude 
certain assumption with a high degree of certainty.

My arguments against PT were mainly, that subduction would not work and 
plates cannot move over the surface of a ball, if the ball is entirely 
covered with plates.

Hints for GE are mainly a steady sinking of the sea-levels over very 
long periods of time.

Subduction does not work, because the upper mantle is not a liquid and 
not hot enough to melt to crust parts, which are allegedly bent down and 
pushed under other plates.

The entire mechanism of subduction is bunk and does not work for a 
number of reasons. Only one reason is, that the density of the mantle is 
higher than the density of the material of the crust, hence the crust 
could not enter, because it kind of swims on the mantle.

Another reason is, that the plates are quite heavy and actually stick on 
the upper mantle, which is a solid.

>> What I wanted to do, that was providing arguments in favor of GE,
>> which common people could eventually understand.
>>
>> In a way you are right, that these arguments still do not prove GE,
>> because the real reason for Earth' shape could be terrraforming by
>> aliens or the influence of angels.
>
> In science, "prove" is not used because there are ALWAYS things we don't
> know, ALWAYS other possibilities.


sure, but I have already mentioned aliens and angels. Possibly you have 
better ideas than GE, if PT does not work.

>>
>>>
>>>> So: continents do not grow, because the continental plates are HUGE
>>>> massive pieces of rock.
>>>
>>> Why wouldn't they grow?  If continents grew at the same rate as the rest
>>> of the earth, they'd remain proportional.  Imagine a globe as the earth
>>> long ago (continents correctly proportioned) and the globe growing and
>>> growing until earth size.  Why this doesn't happen?
>>
>>
>> The Earth crust is build from rock.
>
> And... ?


Just grab a stone, put it into a bending machine and try bend it.

What is the reasult?

Sure, the stone would not bend, but break.

Now think about a plate as a huge version of an egg-shell, which is 
extremely heavy and rigid.

How would you bend that?

>> If you try to stretch a piece of rock, it will break into pieces.
>
> If everything grew uniformly, there would be no stretching.

Because this is not the case.

If the new material is created inside the planet, the new matter would 
kind of bubble upwards and push on the crust from below.

The upper plates are NOT affected, because the new matter stems from 
very great depth (possibly from the center of the Earth).


>> Elongation requires a meterial, that is somehow plastic, what rock isn't.
>
> It is sufficiently plastic over the dimensions and time scales involved.
??

this violates several observations.

For instance the Alpes are still standing and have not sunken down.

>>> If the earth doubled in diameter uniformly, the distance from New York
>>> to Los Angeles should also double, the distance from New York to Paris
>>> double, etc.  The earth would look identical to before, except larger.
>>
>>
>> NO!
>
> Why not?


The continental plates remain as they are. So distance upon their 
surface would also remain as they are.

The new crust is assumed to be build below the oceans, hence distances 
upon the oceans expand.

This effect can be found everywhere on Earth.

The most obvious occurance is between Africa and South America.

But many other instances of ocean spreading are visible.

The land masses occasionally break or are subject to other events like 
earthquakes or errosion, but mainly they remain unchanged, while the new 
crust emerges at the lower areas, where is usually water.


>> The Earth crust widens predominately below the oceans, because
>> continental crust is much thicker.
>>
>> Because the East and the Westcoast of North America do not belong to
>> the ocean, they maintain the same distance, while oceans widen.
>>
>> The area of the USA is apparently a special case, because it is
>> seemingly composed from two plates. All other continents are diffent.
>
> We're still stuck on the problem of why continental rocks don't grow but
> liquid(?) rock would?  Ignoring the huge problem of matter from nothing,
> this weird reliance on the state of matter without explanation is a big
> red flag of being bogus.

The new matter is apparently coming from very great depth within the 
inner Earth. There is an energy flow from outside the planet to its 
inside, which converts into matter, which 'bubbles up'.

This matter pushes the crust apart form the inside.

And because the crust is thinner below the oceans, the crust below the 
oceans has also weaker resistance against tension, hence it the object 
that is streched, while the continental plates are not.

Why I think, that matter can be created out of nothing is a little 
difficult to explain.

Actually 'big-bang-theory' is also a 'matter out of nothing theory'.

But I also think, that big-bang theory is wrong. Instead I use my own, 
self-inveted theory, which I call 'structured spacetime'.

Matter is in this modell something I call 'time-like stable patterns' 
(of/in spacetime).

see my 'book' about this idea here:

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing 




>>>> The increase of diameter of the Earth would create a lift of the
>>>> middle of the plate and a push of the borders into the underground.
>>>
>>> Not if everything expanded proportionally.  So for your claims to be
>>> true, different parts of the earth grow at different rates (including
>>> not at all).  Why????
>>
>> Chains break at the weakest link.
>
> Everything growing in proportion doesn't need to break anywhere.

Sure, but that is not the case (Everything growing in proportion).

...


TH

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                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-16 06:49 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-16 15:54 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common   traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-17 08:13 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-17 11:32 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common    traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-18 07:14 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-17 22:34 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2021-12-17 23:50 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-18 14:06 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common    traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-20 07:50 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-19 23:00 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-20 03:20 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-20 13:32 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common    traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-21 08:10 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-21 08:38 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-21 09:51 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-12-21 07:31 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-24 09:34 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-24 15:09 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common   traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-25 08:26 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-26 15:22 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common    traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-27 21:39 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-27 16:11 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-28 07:59 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-28 02:27 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-29 07:17 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-29 08:47 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 03:50 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-28 14:19 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-29 07:00 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-29 05:23 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2021-12-29 19:04 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-29 12:06 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-30 08:12 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2021-12-30 05:24 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-30 14:40 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 11:46 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-30 08:23 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-30 12:49 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-28 13:45 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-24 13:01 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-24 13:34 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-25 08:15 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-25 13:02 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-25 21:04 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-26 15:22 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-27 16:28 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-26 15:22 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common   traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-27 21:48 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-28 13:45 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-28 10:57 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2021-12-28 18:19 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-29 02:45 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common   traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-29 07:23 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common  traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-29 08:19 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 03:26 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of   these stubborn imbeciles Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-30 08:27 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of  these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-30 14:51 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 03:22 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Mason Hess <cvb@bnma.ui> - 2021-12-29 11:51 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-29 11:34 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-17 18:03 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-16 11:39 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 17:20 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-12 23:36 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-13 22:05 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 19:50 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-13 20:31 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2021-12-14 11:41 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 13:15 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-14 10:40 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 08:13 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 17:44 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 17:57 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Vaugn Rhea <wert@cvb.er> - 2021-12-18 18:00 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 08:19 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-12-14 08:51 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-12-15 15:35 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2021-12-17 05:25 +0100
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-12-17 16:21 +0100
                Growing Earth theory (was Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common    traits of these stubborn imbeciles) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2021-12-10 23:12 +0100
                Re: Growing Earth theory (was Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles) Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-12-10 15:24 -0800
                Re: Growing Earth theory (was Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common    traits of these stubborn imbeciles) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-12-11 09:10 +0100
      Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 22:47 -0800
        Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:19 -0800
        Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:52 -0800
          Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-01 12:14 -0500
            Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 09:42 -0800
            Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 10:57 -0800
              Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 19:22 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 12:20 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 21:00 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 16:41 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 18:17 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 20:07 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 20:47 -0800
              Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-02 01:11 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 22:22 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-12-03 00:26 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 22:15 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2021-12-02 22:35 -0800
  Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 08:29 -0800
    Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Chason Aceta <pipre@cvbe.er> - 2021-11-29 23:59 +0000
  Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 08:57 -0800
    Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-28 20:13 +0000
      Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 07:27 -0800
        Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-30 10:45 -0500
        Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 16:17 +0000
          Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 13:59 -0800
            Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 22:21 +0000
              Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 15:57 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 00:13 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 16:26 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-30 22:51 -0500
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:18 -0800
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-12-01 13:40 +0000
                Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 23:18 -0800
    Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-28 20:29 -0500
      Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 07:16 -0800
        Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2021-11-30 10:42 -0500
        Re: Richard Hertz, Ed Lake, Ken Seto, Pat Dolan-the common traits of these stubborn imbeciles Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2021-11-30 16:17 +0000

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