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Re: Einstein’s inertial frame vs the aether Frame

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2021-07-29 11:02 -0700
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Subject Re: Einstein’s inertial frame vs the aether Frame
From Arthur Adler <aadler904@gmail.com>

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On Thursday, July 29, 2021 at 10:10:28 AM UTC-7, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> The experiences may be common but the inferred rules may differ.

"Inferred rules" signifies inference and cognition and reasoning, which you denied was involved.  Also, the crackpot is not basing his inferences and reasoning on his experiences... at least not correctly, which brings us back to the fact that his problem isn't that he's not reasoning, it's that he is simply reasoning incorrectly.  And once you abandon the "common" part of your thesis, there's really nothing left.  You are agreeing that each crackpot theorizes and reasons in his own unique way, based on whatever, and arrives at self-contradictory nonsense.

> ...for the domain of experience where these judgments provide practical 
> and safe living, these differences don’t matter. 

But they *do* matter.  Ed tried and tried to find a magic radar gun that would read the "absolute" speed inside a truck by pointing it at the inside wall of the truck, and he could never find one... and more importantly, he could never rationalize what the absolute speed would be... e.g., including the earth's orbital speed or not, so then he began to fabricate a theory about speed being dependent on applied force, and then... well, it's all nonsense, but the point is, there is cognition taking place, these are not instantaneous impressions, and he is specifically trying to apply logic and reason, but none of this is consistent with his actual experiences.  

You might say "well, in the mind of a lunatic, his crazy theories may be consistent with his experience", but that doesn't help your thesis, because it concedes that there is no rational connection between his experience and his lunatic theorizing.  The problem is not the limited scope of experience on which he is drawing, the problem is that he is irrational and illogical.  His reasoning is faulty, and the resulting theories are logically inconsistent.  Remember, Ed doesn't just deny the facts of Lorentz invariance involving high speed objects, he denies Galilean relativity too, and you can't argue that ordinary everyday Newtonian mechanics is outside the scope of ordinary experience.  The same applies to almost all crackpots:  Their disagreement with science is limited to relativistic conditions.  If you converse with them, you eventually discover they have wacky beliefs about ordinary everyday facts, and even simple algebra and arithmetic, some literally contending the equivalent of 1 = 0.

> Naturally, everyone feels that what they believe comes from logical thinking. 
> They do not suspect that they are being irrational. 

Right, so when someone presents an illogical line of reasoning and conclusions, just explain what is illogical about it.  The roadblock is never that some facts are outside the scope of normal experience.  The roadblock is always just faulty, logically fallacious reasoning.  Of course, there are some crackpots who refuse to engage their minds with anything other than a single specific fact, such as clocks in low earth orbit, and claim that they will "be a relativist" if the DSAC (for example) works as predicted (and as it does).  Those people are just intellectually bankrupt, and this highlights another essential feature of the crackpot: blatant intellectual dishonesty.  You can't blame dishonesty on reliance on limited scope of observations.

> There are LOTS of things even in basic physics that do not jibe with intuition.

Little riddles and puzzles that can be devised, involving various misdirection, are not relevant.  Remember, the car had a net upward force applied to it.  The fact that you overlooked this proves nothing relative to this discussion (nor does it negate the use of horizontal demonstrations of dynamics).

The problem with crackpots is not that they pay attention to intuition, it's that they have very poor intuition. And their problem is not that they pay too much attention to common sense, it's that they deny and reject common sense. And they are dishonest with themselves.  Lack of intellectual integrity is their biggest and most intractable problem (along with lack of aptitude). 
 Telling a crackpot that his ideas make sense but they happen to be wrong is the absolute worst thing to say.  Crackpot ideas do not make sense, even based on all the information and rules of reasoning that the crackpot himself accepts.

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        Re: Einstein’s inertial frame vs the aether Frame Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2021-07-21 10:45 -0700
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