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Re: No evidence

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Date	2024-09-17 15:16 +0000
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From	Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid>

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Le 17/09/2024 à 08:00, Mikko a écrit :
> On 2024-09-15 21:27:28 +0000, LaurenceClarkCrossen said:
> 
>> Mikko: Then relativity has two types of time contraction. One due to
>> gravity and the other due to relative motion as in the H&K they have
>> time dilate in one direction and contract in the other.
> 
> Both theories have time dilation and contraction for moving clocks,
> depending on how clocks are synchronized and compared. General
> Relativity has in addition effects from gravity.

I do not share this point of view.
It is already said, wrongly in my opinion, that we must separate the 
notion of internal chornotropy of watches from the longitudinal Doppler 
effect.
For me, this is already excessive.
And then we say: "Let's add general relativity effects due to the presence 
of masses".
On this ground, I have even more difficulty following the ramblings of 
scientists.
I am not saying that there are no effects, nor that the effects are not 
measurable.
I am simply wondering if all this, from A to Z, is not just simple 
relativistic effects that could be considered pure native SR.

R.H.

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No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-13 16:13 +0200
  Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-13 17:50 +0000
    Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-13 19:05 +0000
      Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-14 18:17 +0000
    Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-14 12:28 +0300
      Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-14 22:07 +0000
        Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-15 00:02 +0000
        Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-15 12:56 +0300
          Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-15 12:13 +0200
          Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-15 21:24 +0000
      Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-14 23:06 +0000
        Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-15 00:06 +0000
          Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-15 07:41 +0200
            Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-16 02:01 +0000
          Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-15 19:05 +0000
            Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-16 02:24 +0000
              Re: No evidence (rotating frames) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-09-15 19:38 -0700
              Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-16 07:24 +0200
                Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-16 11:43 +0000
                Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-16 14:02 +0200
                Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-18 12:12 +0000
                Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-18 14:49 +0200
                Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-18 13:15 +0000
                Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-18 16:09 +0200
                Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-18 21:05 +0000
                Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-19 07:11 +0200
                Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-20 11:14 +0000
                Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-20 13:34 +0200
        Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-15 13:23 +0300
          Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-15 13:23 +0200
          Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-15 19:07 +0000
            Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-17 08:54 +0300
              Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-17 18:05 +0000
              Re: No evidence Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2024-09-20 09:47 +0200
          Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-15 21:27 +0000
            Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-17 09:00 +0300
              Re: No evidence Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-09-17 15:16 +0000
                Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-19 11:46 +0300
                Re: No evidence Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2024-09-19 12:00 +0000
          Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-15 21:33 +0000
            Re: No evidence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-09-15 20:19 -0700
              Re: No evidence The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2024-09-15 20:23 -0700
                Re: No evidence hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) - 2024-09-16 03:54 +0000
                Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-16 18:41 +0000
            Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-17 09:02 +0300
              Re: No evidence clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2024-09-17 18:07 +0000
                Re: No evidence Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2024-09-19 11:51 +0300
                Re: No evidence Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2024-09-19 11:18 +0200

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