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Re: Pound-Rebka: ChatGPT is TRAINED to obey, sucking asses of relativists at any cost.

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rhertz wrote:
> 
> I repost here the first part of my 2023 OP about the P-R HOAX.
> 
> ****************************************************************************
> 
> Why 1960 Pound-Rebka experiment is an HOAX. Part I.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/0aLXD2GNp4U/m/bkuHL3f1BgAJ
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> For 63 years now, it has been proclamed that the 1960 Pound-Rebka
> experiment was THE FIRST VALID PROOF OF GR gravitational shift,
> with +/- 10% statistical error.
> 
> For decades, it was alleged that the Experiment proved right the 1911
> Einstein's heuristic assertion that |Δf/f₀| ≈ 20E-15 for an elevation of
> the "light generator" of 22.2 meters above ground.
> 
> It's explained EVERYWHERE the cleverness of this duo, that used samples
> of radioactive Fe⁵⁷ atoms emitting 14.4 KeV Gamma rays, with a frequency
> of 3.48E+18 Hz (3,480 PetaHz).
> 
> And it's claimed EVERYWHERE that the duo measured differences of about
> 69,660 Hz in that HUGE value of frequency, something that was/is
> IMPOSSIBLE with the technology available in the last 60 years (and in
> the
> next 100 years too).
> 
> It's applauded the high degree of ingenuity for using a slowly moving
> sample
> so Doppler effects (red-shifting part) would cancel gravitational
> effects
> blue-shifting part, with sample on the tower).
> 
> WHAT HAS NOT BEEN SAID ANYWHERE is that those "clever guys" and his
> team of collaborators DIDN'T USE RELATIVISTIC DOPPLER FORMULA, but
> used the 160 years old Doppler formula (the one Hubble used in 1929).
> 
> So, how is this? Using Newton effects to cancel Einstein effects?
> Bullshit.
> 
> In this part, I analyze the simple Doppler formula in its two versions.
> In the
> second part (II), I'll prove that they TRIMMED, COOKED AND FUDGED the
> data of the experiment to obtain 14 values (out of thousands) TO FIT
> "EINSTEIN'S PREDICTION".
> 
> First things first:
> 
> Relativistic Doppler
> (f₁/f₀)² = (1 - v/c)/(1 + v/c) = (1 - βᵣ)/(1 + βᵣ) = p²
> 1 - βᵣ = p² + p² βᵣ
> 1 - p² = βᵣ (1 + p²)
> βᵣ = (1 - p²)/(1 + p²)
> 
> Classic Doppler
> (f₁/f₀) = (1 - v/c)/(1 + v/c) = (1 - β)/(1 + β) = p
> 1 - β = p + p β
> 1 - p = β (1 + p)
> β = (1 - p)/(1 + p)
> ---------------------------------------
> ELEMENTARY CALCULATIONS
> 
> (f₁/f₀) = p = (f₀ + Δf)/f₀ = 1 + Δf/f₀
> 
> p = 1 + Δf/f₀ = 1+ 15.5E-15 (Pound-Rebka, top-down, 1960)
> 
> βᵣ = (1 - p²)/(1 + p²) ≈ 15.5E-30 (relativistic, NOT USED).
> 
> β = (1 - p)/(1 + p) ≈ 15.5E-15 (classic, ALLEGEDLY USED)
> 
> v = β.c ≈ 15.5E-15 x 3E+10 cm/sec = 4.55E-04 cm/sec
> 
> BUT THEY CLAIMED THAT THE LINEAR VELOCITY OF THE SWINGING
> SAMPLE WAS ABOUT 1 cm/sec, not 1,000 times lower than that!
> 
> And THIS was used to cancel gravitational blue-shifting in 22.2 mt,
> given
> by the einstenian formula:
> 
> (f₁/f₀) = √ [[1 - 2GMₑ/c² 1/(Rₑ + h)]/(1 - 2GMₑ/c² 1/Rₑ)]
> 
> (f₁/f₀)² = pᵣ² = [1 - 2GMₑ/c² 1/(Rₑ + h)]/(1 - 2GMₑ/c² 1/Rₑ)
> 
> 2GMₑ/c² = 4.43503E-03 m
> Râ‚‘ = 6.378136550E+06 m
> h = 22.2 m
> 
> (f₁/f₀)² = pᵣ² = (1 - 6.953461356E-10)/(1 - 6.953485559E-10)
> (f₁/f₀)² = pᵣ² ≈ 1.000000000000000 (error < 10E-15)
> 
> So, the relativistic gravitational shift is BARELY NOTICED:
> 
> (f₁/f₀)² = pᵣ² = (1 - 6.953461356E-10)/(1 - 6.953485559E-10)
> (f₁/f₀)² = pᵣ² = 0.999999999304654/0.999999999304651
> (f₁/f₀)² = pᵣ² ≈ 1.000000000000000 (error < 10E-15)
> 
> The above calculations are a proof that the NARRATIVE about the "shift
> cancellation" by using classic Dopler effect to CANCEL the einstenian
> relativistic blue shifting is JUST A FAIRY TALE.
> 
> Any measurement of such calculations was IMPOSSIBLE TO BE MADE in
> 1960 and for the next 40 years.
> 
> What Pound & Rebka CLAIMED THAT MEASURED was below the values to
> be cancelled (about +/- 15E-15).
> 
> The ALLEGED speed v of the sample, in the direction of the detector had
> to
> be around 4.55E-04 cm/sec, not the claimed 1.5 cm/sec.
> 
> Wikipedia estimates that v ≈ 7.5E-05 cm/sec.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound%E2%80%93Rebka_experiment
> 
> The ABSOLUTE AVERAGE frequency shift had to be around 69,600 Hz,
> difference IMPOSSIBLE TO BE MEASURED BY ANY MEANS on 3.48E+18 Hz
> (3,480 PetaHz) frequency of Gamma ray photons.
> 
> So, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE that the 14 carefully selected
> measurements that they published are ABSOLUTELY TRUE, even when
> they have a FUDGE COMPENSATION FACTOR FOR TEMPERATURE that
> is ALMOST THE MEASURED VALUE. As an example, this measurement,
> as published:
> 
> Feb. 22, 5 p.m. ; Source at the bottom.
> Shift observed: (-11.5 ± 3.0) x 10E-15
> Temperature correction: -9.2 x 10E-15 (almost 90% cooking/fudging)
> Net shift: (-20.7 ± 3.0) x 10E-15 [as predicted by Einstein]
> 
> NOTE: Photons without recoil are a tiny fraction f of the total amount
> of
> Gamma photons emitted. And this fraction has frequency shifts that are
> SPREAD, in a gaussian way, around f₀ ± 34,800 Hz CALCULATED, not
> measured.
> 
> Now, anyone wanting to redo such experiment today will have to justify
> PLENTY how did they measured such uber tiny difference in 3,480 PetaHz.
> 
> No way then, and even today, unless you resort to fudging and
> statistical
> HEALING.
> 
> Next part will be about the 14 published measurements, as the one above.
> --------------------------------------------------------

"TRIMMED, COOKED AND FUDGED" is the only way any scientists can get a
million dollar grant today!


 








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