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Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon

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patdolan wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:45:01 AM UTC-8, Townes Olson wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:43:26 AM UTC-8, patdolan wrote:
> > > > > Lon cries "Wait John! Our clocks are not synchronized anymore. Mine is
> > > > > running 3.85 nsec behind yours". John recalculates the spacetime interval
> > > > > and gets
> > > > > [ 1.0 m/2.6 x 10^8 m/s ] + 3.85 nsecs = 7.7 nsecs
> > > > > s = sqrt[ (3.0 x 10^8 m/s x 7.7 nsec)^2 - (1.0 m)^2 ] = 2.08 m
> > > >
> > > > That's a calculation mistake (which you had avoided up until now). Lon and John are both at rest in the same system of inertial coordinates, so the spatial and temporal components of each interval are the same for both of them, regardless of whether they use inertial coordinate systems offset with different origins.
> > >
> > > From Mary's frame John's and Lon's clocks are not synchronized.
> > If they are synchronized in terms of their co-moving system of inertial coordinates, then yes, they are not synchronized in terms of Mary's co-moving system of inertial coordinates. On the other hand, if they are synchronized in terms of Mary's system, they are not synchronized in terms of John/Len's system. They are free to synchronize clocks in any way they like. This doesn't change anything about the physical phenomena.
> > > Special relativity assures us that their clocks REALLY ARE not synchronized anymore.
> > No, special relativity says if they are synchronized in terms of their co-moving system of inertial coordinates, then they are not synchronized in terms of any other (relatively moving) system of inertial coordinates... and vice versa.
> >
> > > I don't think you can correlate your extra events E2 and E3 to the facts on the ground...
> >
> > Again, they are not *my* events, they are events that *you* are referring to in the scenario you are asking about. And they have already been fully "correlated", meaning you've been given the explicit coordinates of each event in terms of each system of coordinates, and you've been shown how to compute each of the six pairwise intervals between those four events. You've also now been shown that your latest calculation is erroneous, because you're computing sqrt(dt^2 - dx'^2), combining dt and
> >
> > Of course, there are indeed three different intervals in this scenario, one of which you had omitted up to now. The invariant interval from E0 to E1 is D/(vg) meters (which with your parameters is 1.155 meters), and the invariant interval from E0 to E2 is D/(vg^2) meters (which with your parameters is 0.577 meters), and the invariant interval from E0 to E3 is D/v meters (which with your parameters is 2.309 meters). These are in proportion to the 2.2, 1.1, and 4.4, usec in the muon scenario, be
> In this example from Taylor and Wheeler there are only TWO events in spacetime, that is to say in the Universe, the are of concern.
> 
> Please list any other event you discern in addition to these two, along with an explicit description of it.

There are events 'between' events that are inmeasurable.






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Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-08 00:17 -0800
  Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 13:52 +0000
    Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-08 12:35 -0800
      Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 21:41 +0000
  Utter cretin Pat Dolan at work "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 06:32 -0800
  Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 06:53 -0800
    Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-08 09:43 -0800
      Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 11:44 -0800
        Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-08 12:31 -0800
          Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 12:49 -0800
            Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-09 11:04 -0800
              Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-10 11:26 -0800
          Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 16:25 -0800
            Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-08 17:08 -0800
              Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 17:33 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-08 17:51 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 18:08 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-08 21:24 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 22:21 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 05:27 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 05:29 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 05:36 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 06:01 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 09:02 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 10:13 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 10:34 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 19:17 +0000
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 11:39 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 21:17 +0000
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 17:09 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 18:39 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-09 22:11 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 00:33 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-10 11:20 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 11:42 -0800
                Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 12:06 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 20:50 +0000
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 10:39 +0000
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 06:32 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 16:34 +0000
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-10 10:06 -0800
                Piece of shit Pat Dolan lies shamelessly "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 10:16 -0800
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-10 18:35 +0000
                Re: Mary, John and his twin brother Lon Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 11:35 -0800

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