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Re: "Wristwatch time is Proper Time."

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J. J. Lodder wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> > J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dono. wrote:
> > > > > >You will never get past chapter 1 of Spacetime Physics.
> > > > >
> > > > > I cannot get pass the Title of the book...
> > > > >
> > > > > what does physics (about matter and energy) have to do with
> > > > >
> > > > > space or time?
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no evidence spacetime exist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or time itself...
> > > > >
> > > > > or space.
> > > > >
> > > > > Spacetime is a madeup idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > nothing to do with real physics.
> > > > >
> > > > > You will never get past the Title page Spacetime Physics.
> > > > >
> > > > > There is nothing physics about spacetime.
> > > > >
> > > > > or wristwatch time...
> > > > >
> > > > > Wristwatchtime Physics.
> > > > >
> > > > > are you people kidding????
> > > >
> > > > According to these two crooks just out to put their hands into their
> > > > students pockets...
> > > >
> > > > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I always knew I had the proper time on my wristwatch!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My  wristwatch is slow, anybody got the ...proper time?
> > >
> > > Sure. You've got a dumb watch. Get an Apple Watch.
> > > It will lock to the time on your iPhone,
> > > which will lock to network time,
> > > which is locked to UTC,
> > > which is locked to TAI,
> > > which is proper time for all of us.
> > > (up to relativistic corrections)
> > >
> > > See, it is simple.
> > > You may now even swing your arms,
> > >
> > > Jan
> >
> > Oh, I get it..you updated
> > "Wristwatch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by
> > Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler to
> >
> > "Apple Watch time is Proper Time." -Spacetime Physics, Second Edition. by
> > Edwin F. Taylor and John Archibald Wheeler
> >
> >
> > Apple Watch time is Proper Time, is that correct, Jan?
> 
> Nope. It is TAI. That is the -average- Proper Time for all of us.
> (as measured by atomic clocks in standards laboratories)
> There will be tiny, but observable differences
> if you carry an atomic clock along with you,
> like Hafele and Keating did.
> 
> Subtleties like these are not suitable subjects
> for an introductory textbook such as Taylor and Wheeler.
> 
> Jan


What do you mean..."Nope."????

According to: Spacetime Physics (Taylor and Wheeler) 
https://phys.libretexts.org/Under_Construction/Spacetime_Physics_(Taylor_and_Wheeler)/01%3A_Spacetime-_Overview/1.03%3A_Events_and_Intervals_Alone

"In this book we often call the proper time the wristwatch time..."

And according to Einstein more accurate description...

the time on your very own watch is the proper time.


So that would have to mean your Apple Watch (on your own wrist) time is the Proper Time.


Or, the time on your very own Apple wristwatch is the Proper Time.



Does  Spacetime Physics ( by Taylor and Wheeler) belong in the garbage can????


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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