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On 03/19/2026 02:38 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Sonntag000015, 15.03.2026 um 10:52 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>> On 15/03/2026 8:08 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am Samstag000014, 14.03.2026 um 16:02 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>> ...
>>>>>> Society does have an interest in seeing it published - the patent
>>>>>> system was set up to encourage people to publish their inventions
>>>>>> and collect royalties from people who can exploit them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, publishing is usually the final step.
>>>>>
>>>>> But before you could publish something, you need to have something
>>>>> worth publishing.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is difficult, if you do it all alone.
>>>>
>>>> Very few people do.
>>>
>>> I did.
>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there a fat cats who are doing well, and don't want new
>>>>>> inventions to cut into their markets. The fossil carbon extraction
>>>>>> industry is precisely that sort of fat cat, and they'd be much
>>>>>> happier if science wasn't documenting the relentless progression
>>>>>> of anthropogenic global warming. They do spend a lot on climate
>>>>>> change denial propaganda, but they don't seem to have been all
>>>>>> that effective in shutting down research on the topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> E.g. I'm a proponent of 'Growing Earth' and 'abiogenic oil' and
>>>>> have spent a lot of time on these topics.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'm pretty certain, that Earth does in fact grow and also know
>>>>> why.
>>>>
>>>> And I'm pretty certain that you are deceiving yourself.
>>>>
>>>>> But you can't even talk about these topics, because that would
>>>>> cause very harsh reactions.
>>>>
>>>> The continental drift theory took a long time to get accepted. You
>>>> do seem to be unaware of it.
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Wegener
>>>
>>> No, because I knew who Wegener was and how his theory worked.
>>>
>>> But I'm a proponent of the German geologist Ott-Christoph Hilgenberg,
>>> who invented 'Growing Earth' as addition to Wegner's continental
>>> drift theory.
>>>
>>> Both theories are quite similar, but have one main difference:
>>>
>>> plate tectonics(PT) assumes a constant size of the Earth and growing
>>> Earth (called GE here) assumes growth.
>>>
>>> So, PT needs something balancing the obvious spreading. PT calls this
>>> 'subduction'.
>>>
>>> But 'subduction is blatant nonsense for an large number of reasons.
>>
>> It happens at oceanic trenches, and is well documented.
> Subduction is a hypothesis.
>
> But it also blatant nonsense. It is actually the lie that plate
> tectonics depends on, hence cannot be questioned at all.
>
> But it is nonsense, however.
>
> Subduction would assume thing, which violate simple logic.
>
> For instance plate tectonics is based on the assumption, that Earth
> would NOT grow. That's why the obvious spreading needs something to
> balance that spreading and that is the alleged subduction.
>
> But spreading zones are large and obvious and subduction zones far less
> and in most cases at the 'wrong' locations (not opposite to spreading
> zones).
>
> To make that nonsense somehow plausible additional blunder is need and
> actually introduced into 'science'.
>
> In effect pt assumes, that continents kind of 'swim' through the ozeans.
>
> But that assumption is insane, because the ozeans are above plates, too,
> because if there were no plates beneath the ozeans, the water would boil
> instantly.
>
> So, more or less the entire planet is covered with plates and many are
> thinner and are covered with water, what we call 'ozeans'.
>
> Now the plates below the ozeans are still thick plates, even not as
> thinck as the continental plates.
>
> Now the question: how would you move any plate at all, if the entire
> planet is covered with thick plates?
>
> As a relatively good 'model' you could use a water melon.
>
> The 'crust' of the watermelon is relatively stiff and has equivalent
> thickness (a little too thick, but that doesn't matter).
>
> Now we take a sharp knife and cut the 'crust' into 'plates' and name
> them like the plates on our planet.
>
> Now we have a 'planet', covered with 'plates' and could try to move the
> 'plates' around.
>
> But there are two things, which would hinder the movement:
>
> 1) these 'plates' stick to the interior of the 'planet'
>
> 2) there is no place for movement, because in any dierections there are
> other plates.
>
> Same with tectonic plates:
>
> 1) they are extremly heavy, hot and half molten on the lower side and
> stick to the upper mantle
>
> 2) they cannot move, because any border line has actually a vertical
> depth of several ten kilometers, which would push against other plates,
> once you try to move them.
>
> Plates are also extremly rigid, because they are made of rock.
>
> So, any movement would cause a collision and that not only in the middle
> of the moving direction, but also sideways, where also collisions could
> occur.
>
> In effect the only option, that would actually allow spreading would be
> a growing planet.
>
>
> TH
>
>
> ...

That has its own particulars with regards to Earth particularly.

"Our Radiant World", ....

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