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| From | Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> |
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| Newsgroups | sci.math |
| Subject | Re: how |
| Date | 2024-06-13 09:16 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <07225a5f-8007-4fbb-a8fa-c741797d2b65@att.net> (permalink) |
| References | (6 earlier) <vJHfJccwvHHlvdvzO5O9qa3PA28@jntp> <460e9017-ed20-461e-9adb-e16db93c6119@att.net> <0fqGxowmfTbMj7rQlHlTeG-h1Dk@jntp> <cd5609a6-d98f-48fa-9574-7db19481a5fd@att.net> <doQDrJl4xLXY-Ml9z444aw3p-Jg@jntp> |
On 6/13/2024 6:55 AM, WM wrote: > Le 12/06/2024 à 23:12, Jim Burns a écrit : >> If any natural number is undefinable, then >> the first undefinable has a definable predecessor. > > That is your error. Proposal 1. Definitions are only statements of _what the definer means_ Without evidence to the contrary, the definer is presumed to be honest and aware of what they mean, and definitions are presumed to be true statements of what they mean. On questions beyond what the definer means, their definitions do not receive a presumption of truth, but they remain free to argue their POV. > The definable numbers are definable and > have definable successors. The minimal inductive set contains all and only finite von Neumann ordinals. > You will never get into the dark numbers by > counting or defining. There is no final finite von Neumann ordinal. By 'natural number' I mean 'finite von Neumann ordinal'. By ℕ I mean minimal inductive set.
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Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-21 15:13 -0400
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-22 07:58 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 16:31 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-22 14:20 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 20:19 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 13:22 -0700
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-22 18:17 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 12:11 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-22 13:34 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 20:12 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-22 17:04 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 21:30 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-23 13:58 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-23 20:04 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-24 13:18 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-24 18:41 +0000
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-22 18:21 -0400
Re: how Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-06-23 01:25 +0300
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-23 19:52 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 12:09 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 20:23 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 14:16 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 14:18 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 21:35 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-22 14:41 -0700
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-22 17:25 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-22 21:34 +0000
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 13:45 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-13 08:22 -0400
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 14:50 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 14:39 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 16:53 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 15:07 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 17:23 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 14:28 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 16:40 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 15:01 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 17:09 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 17:35 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:38 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:39 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-10 13:44 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-10 15:58 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:33 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:37 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 00:47 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:49 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 01:09 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 16:15 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 03:28 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 03:41 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 03:43 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 12:31 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-12 01:33 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 16:20 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 01:28 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 16:54 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 03:07 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 12:41 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 12:43 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-11 13:00 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-12 01:24 +0200
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-12 06:50 -0400
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-12 06:49 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-10 13:33 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-10 16:03 +0200
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-10 13:43 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-10 17:50 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-10 22:14 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 15:40 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-11 00:50 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-06 10:52 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-07 10:59 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-07 11:59 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-07 12:00 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 13:18 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-12 20:38 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 13:51 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 13:57 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-12 21:01 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 04:37 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 14:04 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 16:32 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 14:56 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 17:00 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 15:10 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 11:57 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 11:56 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-14 08:41 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-14 11:30 -0700
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-14 17:21 -0400
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-14 23:42 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-14 23:43 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-16 14:21 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 12:05 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 12:11 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-16 21:41 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-16 21:51 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-17 00:52 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 17:11 -0700
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-17 20:04 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-18 20:13 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 15:21 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-19 00:45 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 16:18 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-19 01:47 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 18:05 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-19 07:42 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 12:36 -0700
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-18 20:45 -0400
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-19 02:56 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 18:02 -0700
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 19:34 -0700
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-18 20:58 -0700
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-19 12:43 -0400
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 13:29 -0700
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-19 17:32 -0700
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-20 12:47 -0400
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 13:40 -0700
Re: how (quantities and units, implicits and explicits, intensional and extensional) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 18:27 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-16 17:13 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-17 21:19 +0000
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-12 20:58 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 14:03 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-12 14:04 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 10:48 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 14:28 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-13 14:31 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 11:53 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-14 08:40 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-14 11:30 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-14 22:43 +0200
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-12 20:16 -0400
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-13 11:59 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-13 01:47 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-06 20:11 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-06 20:12 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-07 11:01 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-07 13:06 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-07 13:10 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-07 15:57 +0000
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-07 13:32 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-07 19:15 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-07 12:27 -0700
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-07 17:49 -0400
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-07 23:59 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-07 22:45 -0700
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-06-08 07:33 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-08 16:23 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-10 19:00 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-07 23:54 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-05 22:59 +0200
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-06-05 17:46 -0400
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-06 01:08 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-06 01:11 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-06 01:13 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-06 01:18 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 13:04 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-03 13:06 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-01 02:05 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-06-01 15:19 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-04 16:33 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-05-29 12:05 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-30 07:58 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-05-30 12:17 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 19:46 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 19:48 -0700
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 19:52 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-01 01:35 +0200
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-06-01 13:20 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-02 02:52 +0200
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-05-29 17:35 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-30 07:33 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-05-25 13:23 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-26 19:15 +0000
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-05-26 13:43 -0700
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-05-26 17:21 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-27 14:03 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-05-27 13:16 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-27 20:05 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-05-31 14:00 +0200
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-05-31 12:28 -0400
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-05-31 12:25 -0700
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-01 01:36 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-06-01 01:31 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-22 17:57 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-05-22 14:58 -0400
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-05-22 23:16 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-05-22 23:47 +0200
Re: how FromTheRafters <FTR@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-05-23 13:46 -0400
Re: how "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-05-23 17:29 -0700
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-23 12:17 +0000
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-22 17:16 +0000
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-05-22 13:11 +0200
Re: how Moebius <invalid@example.invalid> - 2024-05-22 13:53 +0200
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-22 17:20 +0000
Re: how Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-05-22 11:48 -0400
Re: how WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-05-22 10:43 +0000
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