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From	wm <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de>
Newsgroups	sci.logic
Subject	Re: AI understands where 99 % of mathematicians fail
Date	2026-03-31 18:34 +0200
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Am 31.03.2026 um 11:51 schrieb Mikko:
> On 30/03/2026 13:38, wm wrote:
>> Am 30.03.2026 um 10:58 schrieb Mikko:
>>> On 29/03/2026 17:45, wm wrote:
>>>> Am 29.03.2026 um 11:02 schrieb Mikko:
>>>>
>>>>> Every path in P contains only a finite number of right turns so the 
>>>>> paht
>>>>> that contains only right turns is not P. Therefore your challenge to
>>>>> find a path not in P is met.
>>>>
>>>> The Binary Tree is symmetric.
>>>
>>> Yes but you refused to specify your P to a sufficient detail to
>>> determine whether it is symmetric. You gave me the permission to
>>> choose the tails of the paths and I my choice is not symmetric.
>>
>> But your choice is insufficient to cover RRR... .
> 
> Irrelevant. You explicitly gave me the permission to choose whichever
> tail I want. There is no requirement to cover "RRR", whatever that
> would mean.

To cover RRR... would mean that it is the "diagonal path", not in the 
countable set of the paths which are mapped by nodes (as you said 
above). Not to cover RRR... means that it has an uncovered node. This 
node must be ma<pped on RRR... . Therefore is belongs to the countable 
set of mapped paths.
> 
>> The first left turning paths are superfluous,
> 
> If they are then so are the right turning paths.
>> and the other paths are insufficient, because every path lets nodes of 
>> RRR... not covered.
> 
> Indeed every path leaves some nodes not covered, including every one
> of your "chosen" paths.

If RRR... has its own node, then this node must be mapped on RRR... . 
Then it belöongs to the countable set.
> 
>> A node of RRR... remains for all left turning path.
> 
> Which does not violate any of the requirements of the challenge.

It does! >
>> I said that every node is mapped to a path that it belongs to.
> 
> But you did give me a perrmission to freely choose which one of those
> nodes.

Yes.
> 
>> There is at least one node on RRR... that does not belong to one of
>  > your left turning paths.
> 
> Are you lying now when you say that a node on RRR... does not belong
> to the path it maps to or were you lying when you said that every
> node is mapped to a path that contains it?

Every node is mapped to a path where it belongs to. RRR... is not 
completely covered by your paths. Therefore it has a node that must be 
mapped to RRR... . So it belongs to the countable set.
> 
>  > Therefore this node must be mapped to RRR...
> 
> No, it needn't. You said I can map it to whichever path through
> that node I want.

I said the node must be mapped to a path that the node belongs to.

You see the argument is quite involved.

Regards, WM

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