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| Started by | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| First post | 2025-12-01 01:47 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-12-01 14:06 -0700 |
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IC aging David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2025-12-01 01:47 +0000
Re: IC aging Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2025-12-01 14:33 +1100
Re: IC aging john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2025-12-01 10:26 -0800
Re: IC aging Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> - 2025-12-01 10:38 -0800
Re: IC aging Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> - 2025-12-01 14:06 -0700
| From | David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-01 01:47 +0000 |
| Subject | IC aging |
| Message-ID | <10gis48$328$1@reader2.panix.com> |
I'm curious about lifetime of IC's from the 1980's. Has there been any published work on degradation of stored IC's of that era? -- A host is a host from coast to coast...............wb8foz@panix.com & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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| From | Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> |
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| Date | 2025-12-01 14:33 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10gj29q$tlk4$3@dont-email.me> |
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On 1/12/2025 12:47 pm, David Lesher wrote: > I'm curious about lifetime of IC's from the 1980's. > > Has there been any published work on degradation > of stored IC's of that era? None that I know of. I had a Philips fax machine that stopped working in the 1990's shortly after the guarantee had expired, and it looked to me as if there had been some field driven ion migration in the silicon oxide inside some of the gates of of the CMOS IC that monitored the key-board and managed the the liquid crystal display. Surface mount components do have to be stored in a low humidity environment - the plastic packaging can soak up enough water from a domestic atmosphere to crack up during flow soldering. Sticking them into a vacuum desiccator for a few days before soldering can be a good idea. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
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| From | john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-01 10:26 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <esmrikhm3g188f3oc49tscokf8hhhhh9dq@4ax.com> |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2025 01:47:52 -0000 (UTC), David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> wrote: >I'm curious about lifetime of IC's from the 1980's. > >Has there been any published work on degradation >of stored IC's of that era? There are some issues, like oxidation, corrosion and tin whisker growth. Best to keep them cool and dry. Powered up, some older parts had electromigration problems, from excess current density in metalization. And the dreaded Purple Plague. Really early plastic ICs had creepy-crawley epoxy that broke things. Some parts had slow ion migration in oxide layers too. There's a lot of stuff online: https://www.ti.com/lit/pdf/slva304/ John Larkin Highland Tech Glen Canyon Design Center Lunatic Fringe Electronics
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| From | Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> |
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| Date | 2025-12-01 10:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <mp65klFskkrU1@mid.individual.net> |
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On 11/30/25 5:47 PM, David Lesher wrote: > I'm curious about lifetime of IC's from the 1980's. > > Has there been any published work on degradation > of stored IC's of that era? > There is but most publications are behind a paywall unless you are a member of the particular society or have access through work/university: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7557842 -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| From | Don Y <blockedofcourse@foo.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-12-01 14:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <10gl01j$1mth7$1@dont-email.me> |
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On 11/30/2025 6:47 PM, David Lesher wrote: > I'm curious about lifetime of IC's from the 1980's. > > Has there been any published work on degradation > of stored IC's of that era? I was looking at this from the other perspective: what sort of service life can I expect from components. A quick peek in my library shows: + Circuit level aging simulations predict the long-term behavior of ICs + Estimating Operational Age of an Integrated Circuit + Real-Time IC Aging Prediction via On-Chip Sensors Though these are likely more applicable to current technology. There are likely more but enabling FTS is still a work-in-progress. <frown> FWIW, I have a large collection of older components from that era. The biggest issue I've found is "tarnish" on the (DIP) leads. I also know businesses running kit from that era (perpetually avoiding upgrade cycles) without significant availability issues.
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