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Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation

From Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com>
Newsgroups news.misc, news.software.nntp
Subject Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation
Date 2023-07-20 13:22 +0000
Organization BlueWorld Hosting Usenet (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com)
Message-ID <u9bcfb$63o$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com> (permalink)
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On Jul 20, 2023 at 1:21:06 AM CDT, "Russ Allbery" <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:

> But if you mean the cloud providers are happy about or actively encourage
> people doing evil shit like CSAM on their platforms, this is absolutely
> 100% not true and I know it's not true from direct personal experience.
> Cloud platforms spend large quantities of money, hire whole teams of very
> expensive people, and write whole new algorithms and scanning methods to
> try to get rid of shit like CSAM.  It's a significant expense; it is
> absolutely not a profit center.  They do that in part because people who
> work for cloud platforms are human and have normal human feelings about
> CSAM, in part because it's a public relations nightmare, and in part
> because not doing some parts of that work is illegal.

Maybe you aren't aware but numerous claims have been made over the years about
service providers profiting from CSAM specifically, including a Usenet Service
Provider whom straddles both sides of profit and cooperation with law
enforcement.

https://cryptome.org/2014/09/giganews-fbi.htm

Having worked in the Service Provider industry my entire career, whether or
not you believe the particular account cited above, it is not far-fetched
based on my experiences.

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  Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Michael Uplawski <michael.uplawski@uplawski.eu> - 2023-07-08 10:43 +0200
  Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-07-09 12:04 +0200
    Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2023-07-09 14:40 +0000
      Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-07-09 16:43 +0200
        Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2023-07-09 15:37 +0000
          Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-07-09 19:13 +0200
            Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2023-07-09 17:50 +0000
  Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2023-07-09 14:29 +0000
    Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-07-09 16:44 +0200
      Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary.usenet@2023.impossiblystupid.com> - 2023-07-15 15:01 +0000
        Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2023-07-15 16:37 +0000
          Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2023-07-20 05:43 +0000
            Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-19 23:27 -0700
              Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2023-07-23 23:19 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-23 17:09 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation mccomb@medieval.org (Todd M. McComb) - 2023-07-24 00:42 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-23 18:09 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation mccomb@medieval.org (Todd M. McComb) - 2023-07-24 01:53 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2023-07-24 16:00 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation mccomb@medieval.org (Todd M. McComb) - 2023-07-24 16:38 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com (Richard) - 2023-07-24 15:58 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2023-07-30 01:26 +0000
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                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2023-08-05 17:36 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2023-08-05 19:11 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-08-05 20:00 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> - 2023-07-31 11:00 -0500
            Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-20 08:37 +0100
              Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-20 13:24 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2023-07-20 17:23 +0200
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2023-07-20 15:44 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-20 18:41 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-20 11:55 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-20 19:04 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-20 12:37 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2023-07-20 20:06 +0000
                Re: movies, was Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2023-07-20 21:46 +0000
                Re: movies "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> - 2023-07-20 22:08 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-20 20:09 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2023-07-20 21:47 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-21 08:42 +0100
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-21 10:59 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-21 16:47 +0100
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2023-07-20 21:42 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2023-07-20 21:39 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-21 01:33 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2023-07-21 02:19 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-20 20:13 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-21 03:39 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Julien ÉLIE <iulius@nom-de-mon-site.com.invalid> - 2023-07-30 13:53 +0200
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2023-07-30 12:40 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2023-07-21 16:54 +0100
        Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-15 09:37 -0700
          Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2023-07-20 04:54 +0000
            Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-19 23:21 -0700
              Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-20 13:22 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-20 09:05 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-20 17:23 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-20 10:34 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> - 2023-07-20 18:03 +0000
              Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2023-07-24 00:12 +0000
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> - 2023-07-23 17:38 -0700
                Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation Doc O'Leary ,   <droleary@2017usenet1.subsume.com> - 2023-07-30 02:18 +0000
    Re: Conference about Usenet, federation and moderation John <john@building-m.simplistic-anti-spam-measure.net> - 2023-07-09 18:08 +0000
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