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Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload)

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Paul R. Tagliamonte writes ("Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload)"):
> If we (as a project) truly regard a .dsc/source distribution as an
> unfortunate intermediate build artifact that we wish to offload to a
> source buildd network, I have to wonder why we keep them around.

This is an illuminating question.  I have two answers:

Firstly, not everything is maintained in git (upstream, or in Debian),
or is compatible with dgit or tag2upload.  So there are packages for
which the tarballs-and-patches really is primary.  I think they're not
the usual case, any more, but such packages do exist.

The other is that we have a vast ecosystem of tooling, culture, and
personal learning, surrounding source packages.  We can bodge the
not-really-maintained-in-git packages into git by importing tarballs,
but getting rid of source packages completely would be hugely
disruptive - both technically and socially.

One of the nice things that tag2upload does is decouple the form in
which a user consumes a package, from the form in which the maintainer
uploaded it: you upload using git, and the infrastructure generates
*both* the source package and a canonicalised git format.

I'd like to have the same decoupling for packages that aren't natively
in git, too.  `dgit clone` sort of does that, but it does it on the
client.  Eventually I'd like to see the infrastructure automtically
import every non-git-based .dsc into git.  Then, it will be possible
to obtain the source code of *any* package, in a predictable and
buildable form, with a simple git clone.

When we have that, we will support *both* git-based and non-git-based
workflows, end-to-end (from the original upstream through to our
users), through all our workflows and infrastructure.  And we'll have a
project-maintained canonical gateway between the two views of the
Debian source code.  Everyone can have their favourite breed of pony.

Ian.

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      Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to  deploy tag2upload) Sam Hartman <hartmans@debian.org> - 2024-06-20 00:40 +0200
        Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy  tag2upload) Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2024-06-20 11:40 +0200
        Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-06-20 16:30 +0200
          Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy  tag2upload) Simon Richter <sjr@debian.org> - 2024-06-20 18:20 +0200
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    Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload) Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 16:10 +0200
      Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-06-20 16:20 +0200
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    Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload) Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2024-06-20 13:30 +0200
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    Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy tag2upload) Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com> - 2024-06-20 17:10 +0200
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          Re: What is the source code (was: [RFC] General Resolution to deploy  tag2upload) Matthias Urlichs <matthias@urlichs.de> - 2024-06-20 20:30 +0200
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