Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list)

From	Joe <joe@jretrading.com>
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Subject	Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list)
Date	2026-04-28 21:30 +0200
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On Tue, 28 Apr 2026 15:04:28 -0400
Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 2:49 PM <rhkramer@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fairly often, I see a reply to a message (on debian-user) but
> > didn't see / receive the original post.
> >
> > This is an example.
> >
> > Any clues?  I guess there could be a variety of causes, one might
> > be that someone posted the original to a different list or directly
> > to a person on the list and the reply was directed to the list.
> >
> > It's not an urgent matter, just something that has tugged at the
> > back of my brain for a while.  
> 
> I've noticed the same thing as a GMail user.  I often see folks on the
> list reply to a message and I receive the reply before the original
> message arrives in my Inbox.
> 
> It seems like GMail stores some emails before forwarding them to the
> next MTA or MUA.  I guess -- and it is merely a guess -- GMail is
> holding the message in a type of quarantine to classify the message
> [as legitimate or spam].

May be other reasons. When I advised a small company on IT, I seemed to
have trouble driving into peoples' heads that email is not guaranteed to
be instant. The number of times, I said 'If you want instant, pick up
the phone.' There was no SMS then, but there were faxes.

The longest delay I ever saw was eight weeks, though to be fair, that
was a major server failure.
> 
> > On Tuesday, April 28, 2026 11:48:29 AM Felix Miata wrote:  
> > > CGS composed on 2026-04-28 14:59 (UTC):  
> > > > Is it just me, or has this mailing list died?  
> > >
> > > I'm on lots of mailing lists besides this one. Traffic on most has
> > > drastically fallen off in recent months and/or years.  
> 
> I think  Felix's observation is a different one.  I think GMail is
> rejecting a lot more messages as spam using headers like DMARC, SPF,
> and DKIM.

It's a shame Google don't put as much effort into stopping spam and
malware coming from its own accounts...

-- 
Joe

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  Re: Moribund mailing list Norwid Behrnd <nbehrnd@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-28 17:30 +0200
    Re: Moribund mailing list "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbi.73@letterboxes.org> - 2026-04-28 19:20 +0200
      Re: Moribund mailing list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2026-04-28 20:20 +0200
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          Re: Moribund mailing list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2026-04-29 01:00 +0200
            Re: Moribund mailing list "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbi.73@letterboxes.org> - 2026-04-29 01:40 +0200
  Re: Moribund mailing list Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2026-04-28 17:50 +0200
    Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-28 18:30 +0200
      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-28 19:30 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-28 21:50 +0200
      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2026-04-28 20:10 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Jan Claeys <lists@janc.be> - 2026-04-28 21:20 +0200
          Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) nwe <nwe@gitcoding.net> - 2026-04-28 21:50 +0200
          Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2026-04-28 21:50 +0200
            Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-28 23:00 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-28 23:20 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-28 23:30 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) nwe <nwe@gitcoding.net> - 2026-04-29 00:00 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-29 11:10 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) nwe <nwe@gitcoding.net> - 2026-04-28 23:30 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-29 09:10 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-29 11:10 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2026-04-29 12:00 +0200
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                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-29 19:00 +0200
            Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-04-28 23:20 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-04-29 08:30 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-29 09:00 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-04-30 17:50 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-30 19:10 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2026-04-30 20:00 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-30 20:40 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2026-04-30 21:20 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) CGS <etphonehomefrance@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 16:50 +0200
            Google employee expertise (was: Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-30 16:00 +0200
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      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 21:10 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-28 21:30 +0200
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      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-28 22:20 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-28 22:30 +0200
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