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Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list)

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Hi,

On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 09:17:49PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-04-28 at 18:03 +0000, Andy Smith wrote:
> > gmail often errs on the side of not accepting email or sending it to
> > spam folder, even when the sender is also from gmail.
> 
> Worse, it accepts mail & then doesn’t deliver it (sometimes not even to
> the Spam folder).  It’s just not a reliable service to use, period.

A Google employee on the "mailop" mailing list once said that there is
absolutely no intentional way for gmail to silently discard an email,
unless a user with a Workspaces account has added filtering rules to do
that.

On the other hand, as someone whose business sends out invoices by
email, I have had recipients at gmail.com swear that they only paid late
because "we never received the email", despite me showing Exim logs
where gmail accepted it.

So I honestly do not know who to believe on that particular point.

> If they want reliable e-mail, people should move to other e-mail
> solutions instead.

I can only assume that it's not actually that important for most users,
and they would rather occasionally lose email and blame it on gmail than
actually take some action to improve matters.

Thanks,
Andy

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Moribund mailing list CGS <etphonehomefrance@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 17:10 +0200
  Re: Moribund mailing list Norwid Behrnd <nbehrnd@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-28 17:30 +0200
    Re: Moribund mailing list "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbi.73@letterboxes.org> - 2026-04-28 19:20 +0200
      Re: Moribund mailing list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2026-04-28 20:20 +0200
        Re: Moribund mailing list "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbi.73@letterboxes.org> - 2026-04-28 20:40 +0200
          Re: Moribund mailing list Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2026-04-28 21:50 +0200
          Re: Moribund mailing list David Wright <deblis@lionunicorn.co.uk> - 2026-04-29 01:00 +0200
            Re: Moribund mailing list "Jeremy Nicoll" <jn.ml.dbi.73@letterboxes.org> - 2026-04-29 01:40 +0200
  Re: Moribund mailing list Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> - 2026-04-28 17:50 +0200
    Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-28 18:30 +0200
      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-28 19:30 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-28 21:50 +0200
      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2026-04-28 20:10 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Jan Claeys <lists@janc.be> - 2026-04-28 21:20 +0200
          Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) nwe <nwe@gitcoding.net> - 2026-04-28 21:50 +0200
          Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Andy Smith <andy@strugglers.net> - 2026-04-28 21:50 +0200
            Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-28 23:00 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-28 23:20 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-28 23:30 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) nwe <nwe@gitcoding.net> - 2026-04-29 00:00 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-29 11:10 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) nwe <nwe@gitcoding.net> - 2026-04-28 23:30 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-29 09:10 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-29 11:10 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2026-04-29 12:00 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) "Roy J. Tellason, Sr." <roy@rtellason.com> - 2026-04-29 18:50 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Nicolas George <george@nsup.org> - 2026-04-29 19:00 +0200
            Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-04-28 23:20 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> - 2026-04-29 08:30 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-29 09:00 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2026-04-30 17:50 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-30 19:10 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2026-04-30 20:00 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-30 20:40 +0200
                Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Greg Wooledge <greg@wooledge.org> - 2026-04-30 21:20 +0200
              Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) CGS <etphonehomefrance@gmail.com> - 2026-04-30 16:50 +0200
            Google employee expertise (was: Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-30 16:00 +0200
              Re: Google employee expertise (was: Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) (was: Re: Moribund mailing list)) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-05-01 02:30 +0200
                Re: Google employee expertise (was: Re: Didn't receive the original  post (to which this was a reply) Thomas Dineen <tdineen2021@gmail.com> - 2026-05-01 22:20 +0200
                On tolerance [was: Google employee expertise ...] <tomas@tuxteam.de> - 2026-05-02 07:40 +0200
      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 21:10 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Joe <joe@jretrading.com> - 2026-04-28 21:30 +0200
      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply)  (was: Re: Moribund mailing list) Anders Andersson <pipatron@gmail.com> - 2026-04-28 21:30 +0200
      Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> - 2026-04-28 22:20 +0200
        Re: Didn't receive the original post (to which this was a reply) rhkramer@gmail.com - 2026-04-28 22:30 +0200
  Re: Moribund mailing list Radhitya <alif@radhitya.org> - 2026-05-01 15:50 +0200

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