Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal

From	Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org>
Newsgroups	linux.debian.bugs.dist, linux.debian.policy
Subject	Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal
Date	2018-08-02 06:50 +0200
Message-ID	<widIJ-2H2-9@gated-at.bofh.it> (permalink)
References	(13 earlier) <wg253-34s-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <uUSFz-5HI-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <widIJ-2H2-11@gated-at.bofh.it> <uUSFz-5HI-1@gated-at.bofh.it> <widIJ-2H2-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
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Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> writes:

> Please keep it simple. I disagree that we would need a version bump of
> copyright format 1.0 which had to be documented in every
> debian/copyright file again by changing the Format field. A simple
> amendment would also do the trick which could be referenced by the
> Policy and our copyright format 1.0 document.

Well, I gave my reason why I think we need a version bump.  Could you
explain why you think it's not necessary with a more specific discussion
that answers that analysis?

> Updating a single tool, a parser like Lintian, is far more efficient
> than updating ten thousands of source packages again.

They don't have to update the version unless they want to use the new
feature, at which point they're being modified anyway.  I would expect to
have 1.0-format files in the archive for years, and that's fine.  That's
the reason why there's a version number.

The first version bump is always the hardest, but if we're going to have a
version number at all, we should bump it when we make
backward-incompatible changes.  The whole point to having a version number
is to change it when something changes that a consumer needs to be aware
of.

> Please also read what Joerg Jaspert has written in

> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=883950#80

> again. Even the ftp-masters prefer a keep it simple solution and they
> support our proposal to reduce boilerplate.

I don't think Joerg recognized the backwards-compatibility issue.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@debian.org)               <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>

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Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2017-12-12 21:40 +0100
  Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-12-13 01:40 +0100
    Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2017-12-13 09:30 +0100
      Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-12-16 16:10 +0100
        Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2017-12-16 16:40 +0100
          Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com> - 2017-12-18 23:40 +0100
            Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2017-12-19 01:00 +0100
              Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifiero Bill Allombert <ballombe@debian.org> - 2017-12-19 11:00 +0100
          Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-12-23 20:10 +0100
            Bug#883950: [INPUT REQUIRED] Re: Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2017-12-28 21:00 +0100
              Bug#883950: [INPUT REQUIRED] Re: Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2017-12-28 22:40 +0100
              Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-12-29 10:30 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org> - 2017-12-30 04:00 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-12-30 04:40 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-12-30 15:30 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2017-12-30 22:30 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2017-12-30 22:40 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Julian Gilbey <julian@d-and-j.net> - 2017-12-31 11:40 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2017-12-30 15:30 +0100
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Markus Koschany <apo@debian.org> - 2018-07-23 23:50 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-07-27 06:00 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2018-07-27 06:10 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2018-07-27 11:40 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-08-02 06:50 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal gregor herrmann <gregoa@debian.org> - 2018-08-02 10:40 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Guillem Jover <guillem@debian.org> - 2018-08-02 12:40 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2018-08-03 09:50 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-08-02 19:10 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com> - 2018-08-03 05:10 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-08-03 05:20 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-08-14 19:10 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-08-15 00:30 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org> - 2018-07-28 17:00 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-07-28 17:30 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2018-07-29 02:40 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-07-28 23:00 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Stuart Prescott <stuart@debian.org> - 2018-07-29 10:20 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-07-29 19:10 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Wouter Verhelst <wouter@debian.org> - 2018-08-12 14:40 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Russ Allbery <rra@debian.org> - 2018-08-12 19:50 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Simon McVittie <smcv@debian.org> - 2018-08-13 12:40 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-08-14 19:30 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com> - 2018-08-14 20:50 +0200
                Bug#883950: Next steps on "[GPL-3+]" proposal Ian Jackson <ijackson@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2018-08-15 15:00 +0200
  Bug#883950: debian-policy: allow specifying common licenses with only the identifier Scott Kitterman <debian@kitterman.com> - 2017-12-13 05:20 +0100

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